Is Stalingrad Worth Getting In 2024?
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Respectfully disagree, oh good neighbor to the North. Stali is still absolutely lethal. Stali would easily obliterate Austin @ 17km. Different strokes for different folks. For my Steel...Stali is still KING
Lmao yeah any cruiser can obliterate Austin from the side. That's like the least impressive thing you could've come up with. Nowadays though there Napoli, Conde, Annapolis, and tons of bb's who can just sit broadside and not get cited.
When Stalingrad first came out they'd already had three seasons of CB where getting enough wins in Typhoon got you a flag, but then they decided to go for steel / coal and so they traded the flags for steel (6500 iirc) but also gave out a special coupon so if you had all three flags you'd be able to afford the Stalingrad exactly.
It was looong looong time ago .
Back when it still had fp it was on a level with petro imo. Could tank almost as much with far superior guns.
Felt impossible to deal with. Now its a bit more tricky because of t11, HE Spam and even more planespotting
Also once again pq using HE way too often on a very AP focused ship in this video. Stalin wants to use AP at closer ranges even into angled bbs because of insane accuracy. HE is only really usefull when shooting dds or theres a chance for perma fires at longer ranges. At shorter ranges HE and fires just do less dmg
I almost feel like sometimes PQ is his own worst enemy, he'll get the idea of something must be done a certain way and just smash his face into that wall forever. His flop with Fenyang is a great example of that, seeing as the general idea is "if a DD has HE you spam HE" so when presented with a DD with great AP but horrible HE, he focused on the HE because that's just what you do.
In this case he made it fairly clear that likely a lot of the HE use was because of his Twitch chat telling him to use it, and a lot of people just spam HE out of every cruiser that has it because it does get some level of results. Plus likely a bit of his notion of "if AP doesn't cit it feels bad and is unfair" in there as well leading him to over rely on HE when he shouldn't have been using it.
@Stephen__White i remember him playing st vincent and almost screaming at the screen to use the damn AP on broadsiding bbs xd
7:38 even tho you are a great player PQ, the place you aimed at was not going to get you any citadels with any ship.
But but! He hit the side of the ship that means it should just explode! Doesn't matter he aimed poorly for that shot it should have made the Bungo explode just because! (Obvious sarcasm but also legitimate critique of PQ when he gets on these "why didn't that obviously badly aimed shot not citadel!" bits.)
Yeah, I would not expected much aiming so far behind on the first bungo ship was already angled considerably. He goes a lot more for those shots where I would see it and just take the superstructure shot.
yeah uh, about that
bungo's citadel goes all the way back to behind the last turret. that shot was well within the citadel range.
however, bungo's cit is also waterline and turtleback, so it's just a difficult ship to citadel
and no, the angle was not nearly enough to cause issues, especially not for a stali
in conclusion, pq should not have been expecting a citadel there, even though it was possible
the second salvo was more of a lucky surprise than anything
Thanks for the compliment PQ. I have been in a big slump this start of the year and hearing that from my #1 wows CZcamsr definitely helped my confidence. :) (Des Moines)
Stalingrad is a great example of a well balanced cruiser. You make a mistake you pay a hefty price, you play it well and it's very rewarding. It's a great design and it should be more utilized. Unfortunately it isn't and we get plenty of ships that sail broadside, take no damage, and when they angle they get overmatched and annihilated. With Stalingrad it's the opposite, overmatch is only applicable in close ranges, really, and when not angled, it gets destroyed quickly. Some call it OP, but it's far from OP. It's an amazing design.
Yeah, just compare everything you stated to Annapolis. Just lunatic.
Well said. Lack of this design is a bit reason I burned out of this game.
Stalingrad is notoriously difficult to kill and will wipe out any target smaller than a BB dumb enough to sail broadside to it, but the reverse is also true - any cruiser that can catch its side will shred it with AP before it can even react. Not to mention its lack of hydro means torps are still very dangerous to it, and a rain of constant HE from bad positioning will end your game very quickly.
Now if it had a citadel like the Smolensk's, now THAT would be pure bullshittery....sad to say, that's the state of the game now.
@@SoldierOfFate exactly. It can consistently punish mistakes and it can consistently be punished for making mistakes. That's a proper ship design
And because of that it makes stali a weak tanking ship because far weaker ships are actually better at tanking making Stali a poor choice in this meta.
it’s been a year, was thinking about seeing how this game was doing. your content is still amazing
I love my Stalingrad, the king of all cruisers in the game still, those guns are amazing with ability to citadel BBs at max range, she really excells in ranked and clan battles...
It still can citadel BBs ?
100% yes, I had a game a while ago I was at an island and a kremlin sailed out past me 11k away I shot and scored 3 cits @@smaug9617
@@smaug9617 can still citadel bb with no problem
Depends on how high you'd put that bar. The AP has less pen than Columbo
I faced a Stanlingrad in a recent game in my Prinz Rupprecht where we were both almost bow to bow (maybe 15 degrees or so) and stopped at 12km-ish distance.
I couldn't push out any further as I'd lose island cover and the Stalingrad was reversing. He was shooting what small amount of upper belt of my ship he could see with his front guns with AP and getting 8-10k volleys with destroyer-like accuracy. I was bouncing off him everywhere with my German shotguns. I still don't know exactly how he managed it, but it was damn impressive.
I just got this a few months ago; my first (and only) steel ship. I'm a DD main so I don't play it much, but it's a beast.
Your laugh is what makes it for me hehe. I hope to find you back in the battle rooms of WOW. Greetings!
i thinkk.. in my opinion, you didnt show the most effective way to use it. either u were full sending, playing like a petro, or at the end u played it like a yoshino basically. if anyone who struggles with stalin reads this comment, i can recommend a mid range (14-16km), kited, AP playstyle. at those ranges you have incredible flight times, pen & accuracy, but arent quite as vulnerable as at 10-12km, + u can speed juke. also, if the enemy flank begins to fall, u can very easily push up & use the radar if necessary (its a fast ship), on the othee hand u can also get away relatively easily.
dont play it like a petro, dont play it like a yoshino, somewhere in the middle (i gravitate more towards petro tho)
PQ: sails a ship with some of the most consistent guns in the game, still complains about the guns...lel
I don't think there's been a single video where he hasn't complained about dispersion. Don't forget he even complained about Bungo.
@@Posilepton True XD
Yeah because it's a valid complaint. LIKE YOU SAID the most accurate guns for the caliber and they can still be painfully inaccurate and it has nothing to do with the players skill. It's a really shitty game mechanic that should be addressed. All the he spammers have stupid high fire rate so the accuracy really doesn't matter. AP relies almost 100% on accuracy but accuracy in this game is completely unreliable.
I have to say that if one dislike getting trolled by Stalingrad's accuracy, then his only choice would be to never ever touch any battleship or battlecruiser again. No battleship or battle cruiser even comes remotely close to Staligrad's accuracy, except maybe Slava, or Satsuma when its skill is activated. Staligrad's accuracy also was never changed, it is just as accurate before the fire prevention nerf, complaining about this is really downright pointless.
Jokes on you. I love playing battleships/battlecruiser like schlieffen or michelangelo and still dislike getting trolled by Stalingrad's accuracy.
The yodo shot and Edgar were the games aiming system. It's the most annoying part and goes above and beyond a ships natural dispersion. Those types of shots not punishing players is a game problem, not the ships
Zao is much more accurate
@@kb8459Zao is neither a battleship or a battlecruiser
Tsurugi exists
I cant wait til you get to Plymouth, nobody ever plays that one
as probably the only NA player who actually enjoys plymouth, I can tell you that it's so rare people completely forget what it does
I got that one and even bought the Fox camo. I want to like it, but i barely play it with a carrier in every game.
A clanmate has the Plymouth. He says it´s little more than a Tier X Edinburgh. The good thing is that it doesn´t have to chose between smoke and radar.
I really enjoy this series. You could do the same with reserch ships and coal. Love your videos
IIRC Stalingrad (just like Black) is pre-steel and pre-armory - the flags were temporary rewards before steel was introduced.
Nah Stalin was steel. The very first steel ship in game. Only flint and black predated steel
@@Virgilfinnatell Stalin was introduced to buy for steel later, but at first it was like an achievement. Before any of the resources were added.
@@sLim88CPC No, Stalingrad came after steel was introduced. First the armory was added in update 0.7.6 (it was called the arsenal) with Flint and black being obtainable for steel. Stalingrad came afterwards in 0.7.8.
Love the videos, PQ! Keep em coming
Stalingrad was forced to stop smoking Stalinium quite as much after the commander and carrier reworks, but it most certainly is still tanky as long as you know what you’re doing. Petro (or as Flamu viewers more lovingly know it, Shitro) is braindead with how tanky it is because of the way it’s designed. Stalingrad is just as tanky, outside of fire damage, but not braindead, as exposing yourself will get you killed. You’re a mid to long range sniper that removes the RNG from your salvos. If you know how to hide your citadel and aim for the enemy’s, it’ll treat you very well.
Unless you get into a carrier or sub game of course, in which case fuck you for wanting to have fun.
I was debating between the Stalin, Shiki, or the Larnia - realized the Shiki was pretty much an upgraded Yamato or that Super ship and the Italian BBs haven’t been a line I played with much.
I also realized my style of ships were exactly what the Stalin was: fast Battlecruisers with semi-BB armor, BB guns, BB anti-air - most of my most played ships were cruisers with BB traits.
Hell the Tirtpiz, Pomm, Scharhoust, and even the Brandanburg could be battlecruisers
So I got the Stalin last night.
No regret, she fits my style - occasional taking flanks, rushing center, and even forcing 3 ships back as their shots bounce off my angled ship.
Wish she had more secondaries though
Interesting video, considering getting this ship without any other steel ships tbh
#1 Steel cruiser, hands down, and still very strong among all cruisers. Though vert. dispersion can troll you sometimes, still highest sigma in the game, with "MAGIC" shells: Superior pen, no matter what you're shooting. BUT short fuses which do great damage to lightly armored targets (like 6 pens on a DD). BUT unlike other short fused ships, which cause you to not hit citadels, Stalin always gets to the citadels... 🤔🤔... Magic!
No short fuse in game can prevent citadel just fyi
What team panels do you use?
I'm waiting for next video about AUSTIN !!
Between the various t10 stalinium cruisers in the game now, whats the strongest?
really curious on your thoughts between the Colbert and the Jinan.
As a mainly DD player Stali's scare me - it's a real barrier to getting into caps because of the radar. I fancy giving it a go but I like DDs (torp really) and already have Petro - is it worth blowing most of my steel on or should I go Ragnar or something???
Everybody wanted more 12 gun accurate overmatching battleships that chunk you within 12km easy. And they wonder why the engagement ranges have increased.
Stalingrad is what I play when I'm pissed at my battleships trolling me or my cruisers getting too explodey. It's still hilarious what damage this thing can soak and spit out in return. For my steel, I would definitely buy Stalin first (probably)
Realy wonder what mods he is using for his hud??
In its prime, the Stalingrad was more or less a laser-accurate satellite cannon that fired meteors for shells.
I bought stalingrad as my 1st Steel ship. I never regret that. It gives me exactly what i needed from at least some ship. Consitency of the guns that rewards aim and not taking half year to reward me (Vermont)
Only thing that is torn in my foot are subs, they will ping me and then what. Fires or remove pings. Since Stalingrad takes ages to turn its almost impossible to dodge pinged torps.
I wish this video had come out about a month ago before I got Stalingrad as my first steel ship. 😅
Stalin has to be, hands down, the best steel cruiser in game. So why begin with it? :D
Ship positioning is one of the most important parts of this game. Yet, it is barely even mentioned by most CCs. Instead of another ship review, I would rather see a video on how you should position yourself as a DD, CA, BB player where there is (not) a CV in the game etc. I know there is a lot to this so it surprises me that it is not talked about more.
Stalin also takes a lot of pain from CVs, especially AP bombs because its clunky and huge. Your AA is good and you occasionally get the "Soviet bullshit flak clouds" and wipe a squad but if your bow in at an island a Haku absolutely shreds you with your huge size, weak torp protection and big citadel. That's very different in a Petro too
The fact that steel series ships are limited in numbers, buying most of them is a must to own in the collection. Coz at some point maybe they will be removed, some will be moved to coal section shop.
What mods u use?
why would you not want the soviet railguns with stalinium shells?
Stalingrad or Mecklenburg. Waiting for new coupon leaning towards Stalin cuz I love flat guns, radar. Trenlass loves Meck but I am meh and it needs a build on Lutjiens that won't work on Schlieffen.
Ngl I still feel like stalingrad is very tanky, you just have to make sure that you can disengage when you're getting set on fire. Which isn't a big deal because she has the accuracy to get work done at 15 km anyway. Close up, many good BB players know to aim for your nose so either you have to bait them into shooting your side or you eat shit. My win rate in stalin, alaska, marseille is much higher than other ships simply because I stay alive for longer in them
Stalin has always had a very weak broadside, similarly Edgar isn't just AP its SAP. I still love it, if you angle well it's really tanky, lack of fire prention does make it much more vultnerable to fires and torps plus aa is pretty weak so vulnerable to subs and carriers and getting sniped on broadside but the guns are so good that I love playing it as long as you're careful and mitigate your damage with islands etc. it's great. For me it's the epitome of the ship that you ask for - mess up you get punished get it right it's lethal. In terms of citadels - broadside stalin has always been incredibly weak - Petro is just OP... I find that there's some wierd accuracy in WoWs for all ships - at close range dispersion goes right up - you can hit a citadel at long range where a fraction of a degree would send your shells all over the place. Get close and your shells still go all over the place and you get similar damage - it's a game mechanic I think.
plz can you tell me which crossair you using?
It's one from the aslain-mod
I love those aim bugs when you just put the crosshair in the center of the ship, way above waterline and then shells land 2km shorter than you aimed.
Seems like it has the same weakness and armor scheme as Slava, same kind of tight shot grouping, or maybe even better than Stalingrad. Research Bureau is also easier to get points than steel
This just looks ridiculously OP 😂
similar to the Moscow, when you get set on fire which happens pretty easily you burn and burn badly and there are just too many HE spammer ships in the game now. not uncommon to be rocking multiple fires when a single round just lands in your general direction. Angled right can ricochet enemy AP ok enough but same as Moscow and Petro you need those good concealed bow in positions to survive. You can get severely punished for taking on too much and being in the open.
Stalin is a very good ship, always feel I have enough punching power to wreck everyone until i get spotted earlier then stuck bow in for 5 minutes farmed by every red ships while each of my salvo only score 5k lol
Stalingrad is good, very good but it's been heavily power crept. Seeing one was a cause for genuine concern and players would avoid this ship if they could. The amount of overmatch, the way the game plays now with the CV and Sub threats, the extremely passive meta. It's hard to use Stalingrad without getting caught and if you get focused or show a little broadside, you're done. It's a very big and sluggish ship which can't really disengage. So you have to play quite passive and it's a shame because a Stalingrad managing to get broadsides is punishing.
Also, the lack of hydro is frankly ridiculous in 2024. Either give it as an extra consumable or let it swap Def Fire for it.
The biggest hit though is that citadels are basically becoming very hard to hit, new ships tend to be very newer player friendly now and citadels tend to be underwater.
The best part about playing the "selfish" way at the back of the map with HE spamming, is that you then get to call all the rest of your team noobs when your team is losing and you are still alive.
For me Stalingrad is the best super cruiser in this game, followed by PR and Alaska, but I would still pick Stalingrad for its accuracy and the super punchy shells coupled with flat shell arcs.
My only Steel Cruiser.
Stanlingrad is still a very dangerous ship, but you can simply burn it down in no time these days. I hate when the guys with 12km radar never get within 12km of anything worth radaring, which happens way to often.
So I just got 28k steel, and I want a steel Cruiser or BB. I’m not quite able to get a Lauria or Bourgogne, but I’m close. What do I get first? Thank you for these vids they’re helping me with my choice.
My question is more: do I grind a petro and get another ship?
@@stefanleclair5334 my experience has been that while the petro is strong its guns can't compete with stalingrad, if your looking for a cruiser stalingrad is the way to go. As for a BB Bourgogne is the best. Hope this helps
I have played since beta, but only got my first Steel ship today, and it was the stalingrad. Broke 200k dmg first game, the AP slaps harder than BB's, at least that is what it feels like. I am not sorry.
Ship request: Worcester
No one needs to shoot bows for overmatch anymore it seems. They just aim for the superstructure and get 15k vollies while your bow in or skim the side of your 80° angled Kurfurst for 20k with guns that don't have overmatch.
I've honestly found I have better luck just saing broadside in a straight line.
It's not so much how the Stalin has changed, but more how the game around it has changed
You can tell as fresh waves of new players flood the game and vets put the game away that ships like Stalingrad see resurgences in effectiveness. These newer players don’t respect or understand what a Stalingrad can do. When I bought mine 4 years ago no one dared showed me broadside, nowadays players spread their butt cheeks.
Yes
Fair call and a gr8 review, whilst the HE spam option looks bad from a team perspective.....who plays for the team anymore? Mostly the playerbase kites or stays in spawn. So at least the versalitle Staly can go the long distance option, similar to Moskva in 2024......why push into subs? why stay perma spotted by a cv and focus fired all because you wanted to push and win.....theres very little support play in this last patch/game. The new normal is here, dated pushing like the good ol days of Staly a thing of the past, unless you have a legit division maybe.
A ship cannot die. You sink a ship ;)
But why should I get this ship when I can get the same (if not better) experience from the Petro for free?
Stalin's dispersion is better, alpha is better, fire chance is better, it may be faster, range is better, I'm not sure if the petro gets improved angles also on the shells.
Sovetskaya Rossiya was one of the Project 23 Battleships, she had been laid down but was only around 1% completed when her steel was deemed more important for Tanks and she was scrapped. Meaning yes she is a Sovetsky Soyuz class. Also the AL is "Azur Lane" the mobile game that Warships colabs with a fair bit.
Adding this edit: 20:16 That's honestly true of every ship. It's not unique to Stalingrad, it's true of every large calibre ship in the game.The game really needs to start weighing damage that actually applies vs damage dealt. Sure it looks impressive if you can pull 300k damage out of a game, but if only 120k of that actually stuck because the rest was all fires and HE spam that got healed off. You should only get rewarded for that 120k damage dealt. That way ships that do just kite away and spam HE don't get rewarded for playing wrong.
yes
answer is Yes
Come play on the Asia server, the US server looks like easy mode.
I already own Ragnar, and for my second steel ship, I purchased Stalingrad and played a single game. While it provides a decent and unique gaming experience, it isn't worth the investment as a first or second choice. That's why I opted to return it and bought Lauria instead. Hopefully, I will buy it in the future as my third steel ship.
whats the most efficient way of getting steel?
Battlepass, ranked games, *clan wars. The highest is clan wars. @@xFreeland1
Now thats very silly to play 1 game then hand in the best steel ship in the game.
It has a unique playstyle, but it's reputation is right for reason, even in the current state of the game.
When I am having a bad run, the 1st ship I goto is the Stali.
The guns are insane even at max range with range mod. I have triple citadeled a petro at 22km a few times to say the least.
Trust me, I am well aware of what Stalingrad can and cannot do. As a Clan Commander, I've tested Stalingrad numerous times. It lacks the armor of Petro and the radar of Moskva. Unable to HE spam, the ship requires opponents to expose their broadside for effective damage, which is nearly impossible in clan wars. Adding to the challenges, it is susceptible to easy HE farming due to longer fire sets and a large superstructure. So, don't be misled by a "single game" statement, as I know Stalingrad better than you ever will. What you may not realize is that there are two superior ships, Ragnar and Lauria, both outclassing Stalingrad in their respective categories and utility. This holds true for random battles as well. @@JT-4real
I am also clan commander in the SEA server. I have around 6k games.
The Stalingrad was my first steel ship which I have had for a very long time, so to presume you know it better than me is a touch egotistical.
Now back to the matter at hand, the Stalingrad may not suit every player in CB, but it still has perfect utility in a capable players hand. On a flank push with range mod it can delete a ship on the opposite flank given its Stalinium shells and godtier sigma and dispersion.
So in the class of Steel ships I still believe it holds it's own it 2024 and is a perfectly good ship to recommend as a first steel ship buy.
On a side note I also have the Ragnar as I am a DD main, it is a fantastic ship, but its skill ceiling is way higher than the Stalingrad's given its role in CB's. You don't see many people playing Ragnar in randoms, but Stalins are a plenty in both Randoms and CB's.
This video is about the Stalin in 2024, PQ is wrong and played it like a muppet and did not play it to it's strengths to get the best out of it.
I also acknowledge your points and they are valid, but Petro and Moskva are not Steel ships and are in a catagory of their own and bring their own utility, which if you are a seasoned player will understand it's place, especially in CB's.
I hope this clears up any misunderstandings.
I think it´s easy to guess what your ranking is going to be as far as steel cruisers. Unless I´m forgetting one, the only other options are the Plymouth and the Vallejo. Neither of which is better in any way than the Stalingrad. So I think I can safely predict that your ranking will be 1. Stalingrad, 2. Plymouth and 3. Vallejo. I would be shocked and would fully disagree if it turns out to be any different.
Now there's just more that can kill you, like SAP. SAP wasn't there before. New ammo, new ships with gimmicks. Stalingrad is still tanky.
Hey PQ, sorry about rushing you in a Khaba a few days ago.
In my defense, I was in a Khaba.
A lot of gun weirdness come from aim bug.
I have the Puerto Rico with Halsey which better armor and not as good main battery and better concealment. The French Marseille is better than the Stalingrad and probably the PR. Mareille has speed boost, reload booster, has better armor, main battery, and concealment. I don't think it is worth the steel in today's game. At tier IX there is a large number of battlecruiser style cruiser that will competitive against the Stalingrad.
I hate it because of the horrible concealment.
Kinda feel like you kept trying to say that this ship isnt what it used to be anymore while continuously dev striking and hitting people for 15k-50k dmg per salvo on a like 15 second reload 😂😂
Stalingrad doesn't feel tanky because of number of 457mm guns in randoms and high caliber HE spam
My opinion, ofc
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How does Stalingrad compare to Moskva?
I have just Moskva/Petro no Stalin so can't directly compare them, but I think Moskva is more universal ship. It can just do everything. With Stalin you don't really want to go closer into DDs torp range cos you have no hydro. So you have more powerfull AP but you trade it for no hydro, just 20s radar vs 30s radar and slower reload. Stalin is better against BBs, Moskva is much better against DDs. And for cruiser they are both deadly if they show broadside.
the short version: more accurate guns, lower DPM, more AP focused, dies easier, can get smashed easier, doesn't have hydro, but doesn't explode when showing just a little bit of side (and can sometimes live big hits moskva wouldn't). Moskva likes to hump islands where Stalin really just plays like a small battleship.
They are very different ships.
Moskva better HE, good AP ahainst cruisers. Strong against dds because of the HE. Not as prone to die to HE spam because of 30s fires compared to stalin 60s. Cant really compare them because they play totally different.
Both are lots of fun tho
@@MK-wx5vu which do you recommend getting? I don't have the Petro/Moskva/Stalingrad/Nevsky.
@zhenhao_ng wouldnt really recommend specific one. Really depends on what kind of playstile you prefer. Stalin plays a little bit more bb-ish than the others. Newsky is a kiting HE monster. Petro super tanky but i personally dont like it. Moskwa is just a fun allrounder
meanwhile moskva with the worst of both petro and Stalingrad
This game is run by algorithms, the algorithms adjust salvo placement for however the game is being played out. I'm a retired mechanical engineer and can spot algorithms immediately. This game is NOT what you think it is.
PQ can you play the Alabama next? It would be nice to see how she fares in 2024
better than austin, i can tell you that...
Your chat is questionable. Spam HE from range? Nah, why not play it like Slava instead.
mfw a cruiser has better HP than rupprecht
Stalingrad power-crept. Cry me a river 😅😂