Yes I agree, great video, few days ago I first time get up, wind was low, but now I think everthing will go much easyer. Regards from adriatic sea, Croatia, Novigrad town.
The best video I have seen on the subject. (and I have seen plenty, and got many different adveces...) Will try that on my next session, (hopefully day after tomorrow). Up to now I am running nicely but do not get up on the foil.
Great advice and footage. Props to the script writer and cameraman! You forgot the most important piece of advice … put down the jelly doughnuts! It also helps me when I scootch the board forward with my feet as I pump which increases the velocity of water over the foil.
😅I am getting longer foil runs on the lake now thanks to your tip to drive the board down with weight shifts rather than up in the lulls,& my Naish hover will just bounce back up again,but I have a new issue while foiling along nicely, then the board suddenly just stalls & drops to the water without any warning or time to weight shift.I am using the biggest Starboard S type wings as a learner & are medium weight.Thanks Greg
Hey Greg, if it suddenly just stalls it is probably because your foil has breached the water. Maybe just keep an eye on your ride height and try and trim yourself a little bit lower or even try and listen out very carefully for the noise that some foils make just before they breach. (It can sound slightly like water or air being drawn around the foil.) The only other way your board can suddenly drop out of the air is by lack of foil speed which is probably due to lack of wind in your wing, this is probably not the case but if it is just always look up wind over your shoulder at gusts to make sure there is enough wind to power up your wing while flying on your foils. Any help ? Thanks Reuben
Thanks Reuben,yes I think I might try trimming the tail for less lift,as the big front wings produce solid lift,but want to keep my feet position well forward for less swing weight.What an amazing sport,thanks for all your great videos !
All good advice thanks, two comments, 1. I struggle with timing of the pumping of the wing and pumping of the board/foil. I can do each individually reasonably well but struggle to sequence them together to maximise the combined effect. Is there a tip or 'motion thought' you use to sequence the pumping, for example do you think about pressing down with your front/back foot or unweighting the front/back foot when pumping the wing? I seem to find myself 'out of sequence' if that makes sense and struggle to get a fluid and effective board/foil pumping to match the wing pumping. I am comfortable pumping either the wing or the board separately but not together! 2. When the wind is light, I find myself 'pinching' into wind when not ' on the foil' and consequently struggle to head off downwind when a gust approaches to maximise the benefit of the gust and get the board on the foil. I think I am right in commenting that within this tutorial you didn't comment on sailing angle to the wind, apologies if I missed this advice. How broad to the wind should I be thinking of heading to get the maximum opportunity to get ' on the foil'? Thoughts appreciated Regards Jeremy
Hey Jeremy, Thanks for pinging over your questions. 1, Timing is key as you know. As you pull the wing in towards you, push down with back leg and pull up with (if you have footsraps) front leg. I find this is the best way to get the power into the foil and get you flying. 2, This is a good comment. Sheet in with your back hand on wing a bit more (pull in). Not too much just enough to get power in wing. At the same time try and straighten front leg and push nose of board away from you. Think about riding with the tail of the board under you more. It's a balance between front and back leg and waist and shoulder placement. You should be heading across the wind or just a bit downwind. Hope this help? Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag 1. Shouldn't this be pull in wing and front foot pressure? Watch czcams.com/video/f9Mhn3a2t8g/video.html at slow speed - you are pulling wing as nose of board drops which means front foot pressure. I'm confused now.
@@BrendanTregear I think this is an excellent video, but am also confused on that same point. Your point is also something that I have heard from other instructional videos. That is, as the wing is being pulled down and in, you are accelerating the board and as you press down with the front foot you are also accelerating the foil. Seems those two movements work in unison. Then as you are circling up with the wing if you load the back of the board with back foot pressure, you are using that just-gained forward motion to gain altitude on your foil. But maybe the opposing actions, accelerating the board and climbing the wing, and relaxing the forward speed while accelerating the foil (as Reuben is suggesting) is more effective. I can't say because I have not been very successful in light winds yet...
Awesome video I’m trying to get into this game I’m former windsurfer and currently kiteboarding. What do you Suggest for people as far as beginner quiver I’m 85kg thanks
Hi there, i also windsurfed and did kitesurfing and am 84 kilo. We have mostly winds from 10 to 20 knots on lake. If you want to learn i would start with approx 120 liter board. Bigger foil like 1800 or 2000 cm2. I started with 1 six meter wing . And have now 7 meter and 5.5 meter wings. When it's more then 22 knots I would like to use a smaller wing then 5.5. i am totally stocked and wing 4 times more often then I kited. Also because the lake is nearby where I can wing and kitesurfing spots are further away. Just do it and enjoy!
Wiepke has given you a great answer. But I would also advice starting off on a 5m wing. So its not too big. Its just like using a good size windsurf rig. You wouldn't learn to windsurf on a 8m but a 5.7m is about right. But of course depends how windy it is where you wing? Thanks Reuben
Hey Mark, good question, with an easy answer. Flat,... trim up on to the foil and then when up at the hight you want to fly, flatten the foil off. If your foil is in the correct position on the foil track for the speed you are going the weight should be equal between both front and back leg. Make sense? thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag yes that makes sense, thanks. I also found out yesterday that the weight should be on the center line of the board, right? Unless I want to tag or jibe.
A friend told be that I'm riding my foil too high most of the time, especially the nose. He thinks that my front wing may be too big. What do you think? Any recommendation to correct my problem is greatly appreciated.
If you are still foiling it's not a problem. I always ride high closer to the beach. If your issue is that it wants to lift the front up really hard once your'e up and incrase speed and you can't get a stable foot position for different speeds then you would need to flatten your stabilizer angle.
Hey Rob as Graham says if you're foiling it's all good. Front foil size all comes down to your weight and the wind strength you are winging in. The only problem with riding high on your foil is manoeuvres will be harder because you and your centre of effort will be higher. Thanks Reuben
Is that an Inflatable board? What board how many liters. i have a 110 L board I weigh 87 Kilos or 190 lbs. I am a beginner but can get up on foil with 14 knots.
@@SUPboardermag Im curious how good this Starboard 6’3” X 115 Liter is for a beginner like me ? Im a senior, 70KG and 6’1” tall. Im trying decide between the Fanatis 125 Skywing and this Starboard. Im new so stability seems to be my key issue whilst trying the waterstart. You expertise would be most appreciated. Find you videos extremely helpful……Thank You
Great video! Do you have any tips for flying level and gliding once on foil. My issue is that as soon as I depower the wing I drop off foil instantly. I have tried putting more front foot pressure but then I have a hard time maintaining altitude and start skipping on the water. Does my gear, my stance or both need tweaking? Or what should I start changing?
For me those explanations don't match the way I think of it. Lets start with pumping the foil and board, we're not talking pumping to keep going when the foil is already up. The goal is to get air under the board to increase our speed. To achieve it, we need wind power, forwards force from our wing and the physical bit, scootch down on the board and then jump up, barely leaving the board and with more pressure on the back foot during the jump up. With the forward movement and momentary lack of weight on the board, it will climb out of the water slightly, dropping it's water resistance momentarily and allowing a moment of acceleration. A few repetitions of this and the speed increases, the apparent wind increases and the airborne time increases. This is where a newbie needs to monitor the board level and flatten it as it starts going faster, try to get to high, too fast and it will kill the apparent wind with a big load all at once. How the wing pumping works isn't intuitive because we don't see wind flow. But there is a point at which pulling the back handle of the wing any harder will only stall the wing. At this point the design wind flow stops and air eddies on the other side of your wing from your back hand drastically reduce the power of the wing. Pumping the wing energetically engages and reattaches the wind's flow around the wing to cheat and engage more air than will naturally flow around a fixed wing.
great explanation. thanks.
You're welcome!
Really good video with a balance between the on water edits and the dry land explanations.
Much appreciated!
Wonderful explanation and motivation to give just a little more to get there!
Thank you very much, great video! And thanks for not putting music under the talking, that's so much better to follow the information.
Glad you liked this video! Thank you for your comment. Beau
Great job!
Excellent video, lots of useful tips. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you very much..!! Great video and great advices for beginners..!!!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks, Beau
Brilliant video, much appreciated!
Glad you enjoyed it. Beau
Excellent video the best, Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Awesome instruction So well explained. Thankyou so much.
Glad you found this series helpful. Beau
Thanks for breaking it down in such a clear way
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this great description how to get onto the foil in lighter Wind! ❤
We're so glad you liked this video. Thanks for the comment. Beau
super explanation of the stepping up on the foil and flying! ❤
We're glad you liked the video! Thanks, Beau
Yes I agree, great video, few days ago I first time get up, wind was low, but now I think everthing will go much easyer. Regards from adriatic sea, Croatia, Novigrad town.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing this comment.
Excellent Tutorial, you guyz are great teachers
Thanks so much!
Great video, maybe the best I have seen on this subject
Wow, thanks! Glad it was helpful
Very useful. Looking forward to apply ❤
Glad it was helpful! Thanks, Beau
Great advice indeed. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Great lesson, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.
Nice video. Thanks for the tips 👍
No problem 👍 Hope they help. Thanks Reuben
excelent lesson. Thanks
Great!
Nice video. Great explanation.
Glad you liked it!
Very useful!
Glad you found this video useful! Thanks, Beau
The best video I have seen on the subject. (and I have seen plenty, and got many different adveces...)
Will try that on my next session, (hopefully day after tomorrow). Up to now I am running nicely but do not get up on the foil.
Great to hear this comment Doron! Thanks for sharing and hope you have fun on the water! Thanks, Beau
Very well explained
Thank you! Beau
Great advice and footage. Props to the script writer and cameraman! You forgot the most important piece of advice … put down the jelly doughnuts! It also helps me when I scootch the board forward with my feet as I pump which increases the velocity of water over the foil.
Hey Jake, Good tip this will also work well. Disagree about the Doughnuts lol. Thanks Reuben
Great video bro🤙🏻
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks
great advice and encouragement. Hey that freewind wing looks almost circular compared to others.
Yeah its pretty long in the main rib. Very easy to use. Thanks Reuben
Danke!
Thank you!
😅I am getting longer foil runs on the lake now thanks to your tip to drive the board down with weight shifts rather than up in the lulls,& my Naish hover will just bounce back up again,but I have a new issue while foiling along nicely, then the board suddenly just stalls & drops to the water without any warning or time to weight shift.I am using the biggest Starboard S type wings as a learner & are medium weight.Thanks Greg
Hey Greg, if it suddenly just stalls it is probably because your foil has breached the water. Maybe just keep an eye on your ride height and try and trim yourself a little bit lower or even try and listen out very carefully for the noise that some foils make just before they breach. (It can sound slightly like water or air being drawn around the foil.) The only other way your board can suddenly drop out of the air is by lack of foil speed which is probably due to lack of wind in your wing, this is probably not the case but if it is just always look up wind over your shoulder at gusts to make sure there is enough wind to power up your wing while flying on your foils. Any help ? Thanks Reuben
Thanks Reuben,yes I think I might try trimming the tail for less lift,as the big front wings produce solid lift,but want to keep my feet position well forward for less swing weight.What an amazing sport,thanks for all your great videos !
All good advice thanks, two comments,
1. I struggle with timing of the pumping of the wing and pumping of the board/foil. I can do each individually reasonably well but struggle to sequence them together to maximise the combined effect. Is there a tip or 'motion thought' you use to sequence the pumping, for example do you think about pressing down with your front/back foot or unweighting the front/back foot when pumping the wing? I seem to find myself 'out of sequence' if that makes sense and struggle to get a fluid and effective board/foil pumping to match the wing pumping. I am comfortable pumping either the wing or the board separately but not together!
2. When the wind is light, I find myself 'pinching' into wind when not ' on the foil' and consequently struggle to head off downwind when a gust approaches to maximise the benefit of the gust and get the board on the foil. I think I am right in commenting that within this tutorial you didn't comment on sailing angle to the wind, apologies if I missed this advice. How broad to the wind should I be thinking of heading to get the maximum opportunity to get ' on the foil'?
Thoughts appreciated
Regards
Jeremy
Hey Jeremy, Thanks for pinging over your questions.
1, Timing is key as you know.
As you pull the wing in towards you, push down with back leg and pull up with (if you have footsraps) front leg. I find this is the best way to get the power into the foil and get you flying.
2, This is a good comment. Sheet in with your back hand on wing a bit more (pull in). Not too much just enough to get power in wing. At the same time try and straighten front leg and push nose of board away from you. Think about riding with the tail of the board under you more. It's a balance between front and back leg and waist and shoulder placement. You should be heading across the wind or just a bit downwind.
Hope this help? Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag great advice thanks...just need some wind!!
@@SUPboardermag 1. Shouldn't this be pull in wing and front foot pressure? Watch czcams.com/video/f9Mhn3a2t8g/video.html at slow speed - you are pulling wing as nose of board drops which means front foot pressure. I'm confused now.
@@BrendanTregear I think this is an excellent video, but am also confused on that same point. Your point is also something that I have heard from other instructional videos. That is, as the wing is being pulled down and in, you are accelerating the board and as you press down with the front foot you are also accelerating the foil. Seems those two movements work in unison. Then as you are circling up with the wing if you load the back of the board with back foot pressure, you are using that just-gained forward motion to gain altitude on your foil. But maybe the opposing actions, accelerating the board and climbing the wing, and relaxing the forward speed while accelerating the foil (as Reuben is suggesting) is more effective. I can't say because I have not been very successful in light winds yet...
Awesome video I’m trying to get into this game I’m former windsurfer and currently kiteboarding. What do you Suggest for people as far as beginner quiver I’m 85kg thanks
Hi there, i also windsurfed and did kitesurfing and am 84 kilo. We have mostly winds from 10 to 20 knots on lake. If you want to learn i would start with approx 120 liter board. Bigger foil like 1800 or 2000 cm2. I started with 1 six meter wing . And have now 7 meter and 5.5 meter wings. When it's more then 22 knots I would like to use a smaller wing then 5.5. i am totally stocked and wing 4 times more often then I kited. Also because the lake is nearby where I can wing and kitesurfing spots are further away. Just do it and enjoy!
Thanks for you comment Wiepke .
Wiepke has given you a great answer. But I would also advice starting off on a 5m wing. So its not too big.
Its just like using a good size windsurf rig. You wouldn't learn to windsurf on a 8m but a 5.7m is about right.
But of course depends how windy it is where you wing?
Thanks Reuben
Where abouts are you filming, Lake or an estuary? 👍
Hi Martin this was filmed in a tidal estuary . Thanks Reuben
How should the weight distribution be when I manage to go on foil? I had my first flights yesterday, but always crashed after a few seconds. Thanks 🙏
Hey Mark, good question, with an easy answer. Flat,... trim up on to the foil and then when up at the hight you want to fly, flatten the foil off. If your foil is in the correct position on the foil track for the speed you are going the weight should be equal between both front and back leg. Make sense? thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag yes that makes sense, thanks. I also found out yesterday that the weight should be on the center line of the board, right? Unless I want to tag or jibe.
Yeah that's right
Where abouts are you sailing in this video, it looks like a great location?
Can't give too much away Andy! Let's say near Plymouth in the South West of England somewhere 😉
@@SUPboardermag I understand, good places are best kept secret 😁. Thanks for the instruction videos, very informative and detailed.
A friend told be that I'm riding my foil too high most of the time, especially the nose. He thinks that my front wing may be too big. What do you think? Any recommendation to correct my problem is greatly appreciated.
If you are still foiling it's not a problem. I always ride high closer to the beach. If your issue is that it wants to lift the front up really hard once your'e up and incrase speed and you can't get a stable foot position for different speeds then you would need to flatten your stabilizer angle.
Hey Rob as Graham says if you're foiling it's all good. Front foil size all comes down to your weight and the wind strength you are winging in. The only problem with riding high on your foil is manoeuvres will be harder because you and your centre of effort will be higher. Thanks Reuben
Is that an Inflatable board? What board how many liters. i have a 110 L board I weigh 87 Kilos or 190 lbs. I am a beginner but can get up on foil with 14 knots.
Hey, This is a hard composite wing board board from starboard. Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Im curious how good this Starboard 6’3” X 115 Liter is for a beginner like me ? Im a senior, 70KG and 6’1” tall. Im trying decide between the Fanatis 125 Skywing and this Starboard. Im new so stability seems to be my key issue whilst trying the waterstart. You expertise would be most appreciated.
Find you videos extremely helpful……Thank You
Move mast forward?
This is referring to moving the foil (mast) further forward in the foil box. Does that make sense? Thanks Reuben
Great video! Do you have any tips for flying level and gliding once on foil. My issue is that as soon as I depower the wing I drop off foil instantly. I have tried putting more front foot pressure but then I have a hard time maintaining altitude and start skipping on the water. Does my gear, my stance or both need tweaking? Or what should I start changing?
For me those explanations don't match the way I think of it. Lets start with pumping the foil and board, we're not talking pumping to keep going when the foil is already up. The goal is to get air under the board to increase our speed. To achieve it, we need wind power, forwards force from our wing and the physical bit, scootch down on the board and then jump up, barely leaving the board and with more pressure on the back foot during the jump up. With the forward movement and momentary lack of weight on the board, it will climb out of the water slightly, dropping it's water resistance momentarily and allowing a moment of acceleration. A few repetitions of this and the speed increases, the apparent wind increases and the airborne time increases. This is where a newbie needs to monitor the board level and flatten it as it starts going faster, try to get to high, too fast and it will kill the apparent wind with a big load all at once.
How the wing pumping works isn't intuitive because we don't see wind flow. But there is a point at which pulling the back handle of the wing any harder will only stall the wing. At this point the design wind flow stops and air eddies on the other side of your wing from your back hand drastically reduce the power of the wing. Pumping the wing energetically engages and reattaches the wind's flow around the wing to cheat and engage more air than will naturally flow around a fixed wing.
Ah yes, just in the nick of time. No wind here and I appear to have come down with some kind of virus :(
Get well soon
get better soon!
@@SUPboardermag Thanks folks, feeling better already ; )