I wish Honda made a Rally version for off road oriented adventure riding. Give it a 5 gallon tank and a large rear rack. That's my application for the CRF450 - a lightweight off road capable adventure bike that produces enough power to cruise at 80 MPH (125 KPH) for highway riding as needed without running the engine near red line. Motorcycle manufacturers ADV bikes are heavy road bikes with off road styling.
Sadly, the manufacturers don't seem to understand that their dual sport bikes need to have more functionality than their MX racing bikes. Too many of them install lights and a license plate bracket on their MX bike and call it done. A dual sport needs a larger fuel tank, a more comfortable seat designed for sitting, and some kind of luggage system.
@@jeffreybobeck9809 - 100% agree with this. Dual sport bikes are not good for street riding. Manufacturers look at them like dirt bikes that can be ridden to the trail, for their young customers who can tolerate a lot of discomfort. Similarly, manufacturers look at their adventure bikes as street bikes that can be marketed to older riders with a lot of discretionary funds who want to pretend they're adventurous, so they sell us heavy street bikes with ADV styling.
So ture. I think market is missing on this one. It will sell like hot cakes. No real dulasport except KTM 690 enduro in europe is a shame. CRF 300L with more punch is way to go, and for honda to put better suspention to the back, not for a 40kg rider
Now you would like an do it all - unicorn bike. Its not like manufacturers don't know that. They on purpose don't build them since it would hit their own sales of all other bikes. That is the only reason. Think about it if honda made something like Aprilia MXV450 and made it reliable with decent fuel tank, real rack and option for Dakar style front tower. That would be the only bike you would ever need.
I find it interesting everyone was talking about the engine performance which seems to be the elephant in the room for this bike. Noone touched on handling, suspension, vibration, brakes etc which are all part of the riding experience. If Honda want to appeal to the dual sport and adventure rider, then these are very important parts of choosing a new bike.
The suspension is amazing. I dare say it's best in class. Brakes are excellent, better than Magura or Braktec, not as much feel as Brembo (although they don't have the Brembo problems, so overall I'd call it a wash) I run a GET ECU and CRF450X exhaust on mine, and the performance is strong. North of 50hp at the rear wheel
I have a 2020 CRF 450L, it's the engine that needs attention (really just an aftermarket ECU) to bring it in line with the rest of the bike - not the other way around. It's pretty much an enduro-spec competition bike (suspension, frame, weight etc), with an engine/exhaust detuned for road emissions. Just the ECU upgrade alone is a game changer to make it a weapon off-road. I utterly love mine.
The seat should give you a good idea this bike is only for the dirt but street legal to get you off road a short distance from where you start . Its not a adventure or dual sport bike its a street legal to get you off road its not a ride on the road bike .
I run a WR250r for my small adv bike and I love the extra power of the CRF450l its a fantastic motor especially after a pipe and vortex. What I don't like is the hard as a cats head seat, short service intervals and lots of vibration especially noticeable on the road runs.
I just changed my oil at 1600kms and it still looked great, going for 2000kms next service, using motul 300v, using the honda non syn oil it looked bad after 1000km. Valves haven't been adjusted in 10000km, still in spec
You be better buying the 300 . Put the money in the suspension rather than an ECU or flashing by the time your payments oh can't forget that crappy throttle on that 450 your into the bike on the drop, then 1st payment then uncorking the bike . Forget all that nonsense you can grow with the bike . The cost will be almost 18k for a dirt bike ? Buy a 650L uncork bike and put a professional tune on the bike, which should cost around $500ish, and you will have an animal of a bike . For half the cost . Due to the weight it will be better on the roads as well . Tune probably all 4 gears throttle wheelies all day long . Plus, my service on the bike is better and cheaper . And believe it or not . I'm a Honda fan boy .
I have a 2019 L….12,000 miles with no major issues at all. Only problem I have had is self induced. I overload it for multiple day trips and I go through chain sliders chains and sprockets like crazy. I have had it on the highest passes in Colorado and it has plenty of power to go over these passes weighted down like a pack mule. Been a great bike. Mine is bone stock and have gotten use to the throttle quirkiness which is the worst thing about the bike.
Maintenance intervals on the Beta and KTM vary on how many times its ridden. If you ride 4 days a week your maintenance schedule will be 4 times a week. Honda starts looking real good knowing that math
Honda recommends an oil change every 600 miles. I think that’s overkill. When I change it the oil still looks great. I bet you could double that no problem. It’s frequent but easy to change. The air filter is a royal pain in the buttocks. That’s all I do. Been a very reliable bike otherwise.
'A really interesting bike that grows with you' is a funny way of describing a $13.5k bike that NEEDS another $2500 of vortex, FMF and IMS tank to have DECENT range, performance and riding dynamic - opinions of this bike riding well in terms of clutch feel, engine smootheness or usable power range in stock and to be honest even in tweaked form compared to many big bore enduro bikes is complete garbage/spoken by those either incompentent or full of shit. I'm a die hard honda fan, owner of a 'Fixed' CRF450L that I bought once the prior owner had blow all the money on the gear and given up on it ever being a smooth in engine or clutch feel to about any modern enduro or dual sport. I would say for $10K with all the essential fixes implemented I'm satisifed but damn I hate diplomatic nonsense like this. Look, the clutch feel and weight is garbage compared to any Beta, KTM, proper euro enduro and even after improved clutch plates from rekluse and a magura hymec (another $1000) the feel & weight is still much worse than my 2021 Beta 480 - any compent enduro/hard enduro rider will spot this straight away and is degrades the overall riding experience/is noticable. Engine character also leaves ALOT to be desired, my prior Beta 480 was by no means perfect however the engine was butter smooth off idle, smoother and more powerful across the whole RPM range and had both more WOT HP and a a far more usabale range of RPM where the engine was smooth and ridable, I've experienced the same with KTM500's and even smaller euro units like the Beta 350. The CRF450L/RL (same bike) is by no means a bad bike for a specific purpose that differes to a euro/proper enduro bike, but nonsense like saying essentially anything positive about the stock bike, or suggesting that the ride on the CRF450L or RL , even uncorked, is objectively better or even competitve to other big bore enduro bikes, even in the smoothness or stability realm other than chassis stability, is utter nonsense. If your sole objective is for remote/trustworthy adventure riding on a dirtbike with more than 30hp, this bike is th ebest solution in it's weight class, for any other kind of riding it is entirley worse than a KTM 500, Beta 480RR or 390RR or 350RR in every single way including engine smoothness and control. I don't like to say things like this video is complete marketing wank but as an owner of a thoroughly fixed CRF450L that someone silly enough to buy one new would blow +17K on, the bike falls short in ALOT of aspects, some of which are simply not fixable - fuel economy for example, my vortex equipped 450L, even with some slight economical tweaks, struggles to keep economy in the 5-6L/100 range when I can punish my Triumph 1200 on flat track and speeds north of 130kph all down to twin track with similar or better economy. There are KTM 500's out there with better stock fueling, power, economy and at the cost of only minor longevity/maint differences, in reality on an ADV use cycle, with equivelant or better economy and requiring next to nothing to ride better out of the box. for essentially less money when including the fixes not required on a other bikes.
5.6 Lt / 100 trail riding is fine with a pipe and ecu. I went into a Honda dealer this week and the the clutch pull is light and feels perfect. I agree maybe this video was a fair bit of marketing , but your seriously over reacting in your comments
You are right bout one thing. The Beta's that you speak so fondly of are a TRUE adventure bike. Every time you throw a leg over one it will be a legit adventure. The fuel consumption comment is valid but a little extra gas is cheaper than a good quality hiking boot.
I am sure the stock RL handles much better on the street than any Beta and you won’t have permanent hearing damage and a splitting headache if you forget your ear plugs even once. Not everyone wants to ride a straight up dirt bike on the road. If your trying to reverse engineer your RL to be more like a KTM or BETA than sure your already fucked in the head.
I've done 10 000km on my '19, solid bike. It comes from the dealer with a restrictor integrated into the tube after the throttle body, chockes it down to 24hp. Need to replace the tube with non restricted version. Twitchy throttle gets slightly better with kms on it but the engine braking with throttle closed is too strong, vortex is OK, Get sx1 is way better though. Soft rear spring hard fork springs. I get 130-140km to a tank, not exactly riding like a granny either. Stock tyres a great on the bitchumen, rubbish everywhere else. I would buy this bike of you do a lot of road riding, not much vibration, nice to ride. If you're buying a bike to ride mostly offroad, get a ktm/husky IMO. I want to turn mine into a supermoto and get a 300 ktm tpi for bush, best of bothworlds
This bike has way more power than you ever need in my opinion 40 plus horses is just psycho for the tight tracks. Wr250r feels nicer if you’re bigger dude compared to the Honda Just wish the it yami had another 5hp. Daryl is such a cool dude. He’s the best ambassador For Honda period. Anyone who is privileged enough to ride with him is very lucky.
Cut the loud music background about half. Obnoxious loud then have to turn up volume to hear context. Distracting and unplesant. Otherwise a very good video. Husband has a 2020 CRF450RL and likes it.
i have this bike, it can do everything! just need a couple of mods.. and boy it go's! Its super comfy on the roads, not in the GS range but very suprisingly comfortable and nimble. Then when you give it the beans it pulls.
Anybody find that the vortex ecu makes the bike turn off? I did about a 75 mile ride (all highway). Around the 65 mile mark my bike shut off, speedo and gauges was powered the bike just turned down I coasted off the highway and switched the key off. Turned key back on and made sure I didn’t accidentally hit the engine stop switch and I didn’t. Rode home like nothing happened. I seen the check engine light blink once but I’m not sure if it was after the engine shut off or when I turned the key on. Vortex ecu and a Yosh Rs4 exhaust. Bike is new to me, I bought it and rode it home
Idk about the stock bike being ideal for beginners, seems to me like the smoother bottom end from the Vortex/FMF is even more important for beginners than for experienced riders. The stock bike is hard sell over the CRF300 unless you *know* you're going to upgrade it in short order. Otherwise I'd suggest beginners are better off with the 300, not too much money sunk and excellent resale, then when you're ready flip to a fully uncorked 450RL or a Euro bike. Hell, the 300 is so cheap some people just keep it as a spare bike or occasional loan bike for friends/significant others.
Yeah? My 300L has a pretty serious case of **envy** going on right about now. Coming from my 525exc, I chose the 300L for the slacker handling & greater comfort. It has enough grunt … but maybe I get a 450L: put a steering damper, seat, heavier fly weight, and use a taller gear…. I dunno.. I considered some thing of the sort before the 300L … and now I’m reconsidering it again
Both the bikes we rode with the FMF system had Vortex ignitions and it really lived up the bike from the standard CRF450RL. So it was really noticeable right off the bottom all the way through. - to give you a more accurate response we would need to go back and just ride standard bike and add the pipe without the ignition.. But if you were going to do any modifications, we would suggest doing both as it made significant changes to the power and delivery.
Not balancing the sound between commentary and B roll footage really detracts from what could have been a great video. I departed halfway through because I got sick of adjusting the volume.
All it needs is a new ECU. The BEST one is the GET by Athena done by TACO MOTO CO out of Las Vegas. 7,000 miles on mine before the switch and now it’s 1000 % better. Smoother and more powerful with better gas mileage. 🏍️💨 And the FMF is not near as good as the Graves titanium exhaust. Yoshi is second with FMF maybe third. Plenty of tests comparing them.
FMF is not as good? How so? This isn't a motocross bike where I'm trying to squeeze every last bit of hp out of it for faster lap times. I wanted quiet for riding In the woods and FMF Q4 is the quietest by far. If I'm down a horsepower to you, I won't even notice.
Needs longer service intervals, a cush drive, 6th gear, and a larger tank.. Honda knows this, and could make it happen with the wave of their hand. In fact, all the major Japanese manufacturers know this, but won't.
Wait and see what happens when the Royal Enfield New Himalayan 450 is released sure it wont be anywhere as dynamic as the Honda, but it's going to give Big Red a big fright
@@MxstoreAustraliasure if u want to put a larger oil pan into it and show us the surefire easy mods to get oil change intervals to 5000km and 10000km for valve checks.
@@williamrae9954 sure, but thats more resistance to flow so then u gotta change the oil pump as well. All of that needs to be spec’ed out for the desired run time and intervals. Probably would consider different oil grade as well with those mods. Would like to see it done properly with parts list and expected intervals. Challenge to mxaustralia here… also if oil lasts longer, do the valve check intervals increase as well? 🤷♂️ they are also too short
Probably a good enduro bike and would be closer to a mx bike than a good dual sport imo. Same as a wr450 except its red. On the highway over long distance its just another Torture Rack on wheels. Biggest problem with these bikes is lack of oil capacity and short service and maintenance intervalls. Bolt all the farkles in the world onto it but its just a wound back mx bike with lights and a licence place holder. Realistically i can see this bike being purchased by ppl between 22 and 28 years old. Will be discontinued in 2 or 3 years. Im certain they release these production bikes so they can compete in 450 events like Dakar.
@@cyclonus01 Bit hard for me to recommend a bike for you as your riding genere and your idea of dual sport riding could be way different to mine. I would say for the type of riding in the video a dr650 klr 650 tenere or transalp etc..... would be way better suited. Hondas are great machines but these mx derived registerable bikes are fine if your actually going to ride on single track or off gazetted roads. Take one any further than 20km on the tar at 110km an hour and youll be wishing for something else. I think the purpose of the video was to give the bike a run and a bit of airtime but it probably wasnt what i would call dual sport or adventure riding, more a media ride or trial ride. Darryl did mention they would be used for Cape York and Simpson Desert work which is probably well suited to them. Remember they haul these things to and from the rides on a truck/trailer and the company mechanic/truck driver/camp cook/first aider. changes the oil every other night. If you plan on riding on farm or can get to some trails within 20km of your home than its probably a great option. If you plan on strapping a swag and gear to it and riding 400km days on bitumen and gravel roads id say go a dr650, tenere or transalp.
I own one - I'm in my 50's... For me, it needed a better seat, bar risers and the ECU. Those done, I now have a 6-speed 50hp (roughly) bike that weighs less than 130kg and does absolutely everything I want a bike to do. I travel on it, ride hard off-road, even occasionally commute to work on it. It's comfy everywhere. Love it.
Yup. Need 5000km oil changes, and I'd be fine to lose a bit of power for that. If they had done that from the get go it would be the most popular dual sport on the market.
Nah honda likes to confuse everyone and confuse themselves… are we building a 450L? Noo its an RL, that must be what the market wants: another expensive enduro which is in no way better than an exc500f 🤔
No, it's a high-priced junk that you have to drop more money just to ride it . Nah, I'm good . I would rather have a 650L ok its heavier and a little slower, but it's rideable . And really put a tune on it for 500 and do the regular modes, and that bike is a beast ! For half the cost . And plus it's better on the road for traveling . Keep that computer junk ....
Love Honda… But no way. The tank is to small, the suspension to soft, the seat to hard and it needs a new ecu. By the time you do all that you can have just 701/ktm 690. With a much stronger motor better range and better suspension and bigger and better seat.
I'd take my 450 RL over any Husky or KTM. Love the refined features it has, the smooth ride, the suspension, and the motor once you do the right mods. Which by the way the European bikes need also (except Beta). Honda's are absolutely reliable!
How can it be an ultimate dual sport/adv if oil changes and valve checks are measured in number of races, and with a support truck 😂… until they make an actual crf450L (without the R), lets keep it real this an enduro.
No, this is the big misunderstanding of this bike. If it is ridden in a non-race environment, oil changes can be pushed to 100 hours, that is about 6000km or 4000 miles in normal bike terms. And other motor maintenance is not really needed more than on other bikes either.
@@Blockbuster2033 no i checked the service manual before i posted. There are two maintenance schedules, its the same as the 2023 and 2022 models. one for racing/hard riding and the other is riding on the road. The road riding schedule says oil change ever 600 miles, and valve checks every 1500 miles.
@@Weltbummler23 Yes, that's what the manual says. Independant testing and oil sample evaluation on a multitude of bikes however, shows that even on proper hard enduro bikes the oil change interval can be extended to about 60-80 hours depending on the exact use of the bike, as long as it is not actually used for hard enduro riding. Heck, the manual for any Beta bike asks for an oil change every 30 hours in proper hard enduro conditions. That translates to about 1800km or around 1000 miles of street riding. The Honda in comparison has a much lower compression engine with less power and one more piston ring. Changing the oil every 600 miles on the Honda is just wasting good oil. For valve clearance, you're technically supposed to check it every 1500 miles, but you will find - like others - that you wont have to actually adjust them until much beyond 30.000km or 20.000 miles.
@@Blockbuster2033 I hear what you are saying, but engine manufacturers have been increasingly honest and accurate with their oil change intervals lately. Most new cars have 8k - 10k miles oil change intervals, and i dont think people are saying, nah lets stretch this we can do 20k miles between oil changes. We also know that unlike the CRF300L, the CRF450RL motor was taken directly from their 450 mx bike, with small capacity oil pan and designed for short change intervals. With such a small oil pan, the oil doesnt get much time to cool off in the pan so temps are much higher by the time it gets circulated back into the engine. And significantly higher temps mean exponentially faster oil break down. If what you were saying is true, the manufacturers would have updated the manual already. The reason they haven't is because its a liability, and they want to cover their ass... and the reason its a liability is cause of the risk, unlike the risk of longer intervals on the CRF300L for example. If honda dared to increase the maintenance intervals for this bike they'd have a much broader market (just look at how many complaints are in the comments about maintenance intervals). Would be easy money just by editing some text in the manual, but they don't. Complex arguments on why you can push a bike 5x higher than published service intervals is a hard sell for most people.
Bullshit, I hade one and it’s not that good at all. It’s heavy twitchy and it cost about $2000 US to make it half way decent. Bullshit guys. Thanks for the marketing.
Where do u come up with $2000? Vortex ECU is $800 and bike will run great. Stock suspension is really good as are brakes. And for me 280 lbs is plenty light.
Spot on mate, pipe is heavy/hot and is essentially a given to be fixed + vortex + a fuel tank of non rediculous size whether your go Nomad or IMS ~11L - $2500 AUD effectively and that's without even discussing the dissapointment of the clutch and the spread and smoothness of power compared to say a KTM 500 or Beta 480 which are both smoother engines throughout the whole range and more powerfull. I too own one specifically for remote/desert trips where I wont trust a KTM or Beta but I'd take either of my other 2 bikes any day for 90% or riding without question.... making me want to sell it as I type this. BULLSHIT IS CORRECT
@@HoagesMoto aren't u going to buy those same products even if u buy a KTM? Here in the US, I never see a stock KTM. They always has a pipe, ECU and larger tank installed
Mine has done over 12000km. Honda checked the valves at 10,000km, and they were 100% in spec. I make sure to change oil every 1000km (qwick and easy with an eazy change tool - 8 mins), and it's 1.05 litre each time. Not an issue for me.
I've been waiting for this bike but after doing a 300km loop on my drz400e today in fairly trying conditions I'm think the old Suzuki is still a better all round option
@@Mudjimba23AT we no longer get the E model here in the US, just the S and SM. Both are great bikes, but not as good as the CRF450L IMHO, aside from the shorter service intervals.
Frame of reference is important here I guess, if you want a soft trail bike seat this obviously is not, if you are used to an enduro seat like those from beta this is nothing abnormal or differnent and I like it just fine because I'm mostly standing or using the seat edge in corners as designed. There are plenty of issues with the CRF450L/RL but I have both the stock seat and a seat concepts comfort seat and mostly use the sotck seat for dirt riding so wouldn't have them change it as sold.
Why we don’t have this one in France. Only the weak 20 something horsepower. F.,ck EU regulations. Hopefully I still have my 06 400Drz. But there is nothing left on the market😡
@@Uncle-LeRoy heavy? I’ve been riding an XR 650 L for the longest time, that thing is a heavy pig! I want something more modern and lightweight so I really was looking at this bike, maybe a KTM 500 EXC-f instead.
My 1990 350s will do better all around . Ok, go fast 👏 so what ? If you're on a single track or deer run, you aren't using all that power . Plus, my bike is more comfortable, and I have a 6-speed . It's more geared for the woods . Not bad on the street, but I'm in the woods more than the roads . My bike will do 67 with my gearing still . I don't have to flash the bike or buy an ECU for it just to be able to ride the stupid bike without flame outs . Why did they stop making the DR350S beyond my understanding. For the DRZ400S . It's not that much better . It still has a carb, and now it's water cooled . It's uncomfortable. Lost the 6 speed . Why ? They would have done better by putting fuel injection on the DR350S and stroking the bike, leaving the displacement alone . And put a real good suspension on it and call it a day with that six speed.....
I wish Honda made a Rally version for off road oriented adventure riding. Give it a 5 gallon tank and a large rear rack. That's my application for the CRF450 - a lightweight off road capable adventure bike that produces enough power to cruise at 80 MPH (125 KPH) for highway riding as needed without running the engine near red line. Motorcycle manufacturers ADV bikes are heavy road bikes with off road styling.
Sadly, the manufacturers don't seem to understand that their dual sport bikes need to have more functionality than their MX racing bikes. Too many of them install lights and a license plate bracket on their MX bike and call it done. A dual sport needs a larger fuel tank, a more comfortable seat designed for sitting, and some kind of luggage system.
@@jeffreybobeck9809 - 100% agree with this. Dual sport bikes are not good for street riding. Manufacturers look at them like dirt bikes that can be ridden to the trail, for their young customers who can tolerate a lot of discomfort. Similarly, manufacturers look at their adventure bikes as street bikes that can be marketed to older riders with a lot of discretionary funds who want to pretend they're adventurous, so they sell us heavy street bikes with ADV styling.
So ture. I think market is missing on this one. It will sell like hot cakes. No real dulasport except KTM 690 enduro in europe is a shame. CRF 300L with more punch is way to go, and for honda to put better suspention to the back, not for a 40kg rider
Now you would like an do it all - unicorn bike. Its not like manufacturers don't know that. They on purpose don't build them since it would hit their own sales of all other bikes. That is the only reason. Think about it if honda made something like Aprilia MXV450 and made it reliable with decent fuel tank, real rack and option for Dakar style front tower. That would be the only bike you would ever need.
I find it interesting everyone was talking about the engine performance which seems to be the elephant in the room for this bike. Noone touched on handling, suspension, vibration, brakes etc which are all part of the riding experience. If Honda want to appeal to the dual sport and adventure rider, then these are very important parts of choosing a new bike.
The suspension is amazing. I dare say it's best in class. Brakes are excellent, better than Magura or Braktec, not as much feel as Brembo (although they don't have the Brembo problems, so overall I'd call it a wash)
I run a GET ECU and CRF450X exhaust on mine, and the performance is strong. North of 50hp at the rear wheel
I have a 2020 CRF 450L, it's the engine that needs attention (really just an aftermarket ECU) to bring it in line with the rest of the bike - not the other way around. It's pretty much an enduro-spec competition bike (suspension, frame, weight etc), with an engine/exhaust detuned for road emissions. Just the ECU upgrade alone is a game changer to make it a weapon off-road. I utterly love mine.
The seat should give you a good idea this bike is only for the dirt but street legal to get you off road a short distance from where you start . Its not a adventure or dual sport bike its a street legal to get you off road its not a ride on the road bike .
@@orical2832 what about the 1 mods (emissions restrictions)?
That IMS tank is awesome
I run a WR250r for my small adv bike and I love the extra power of the CRF450l its a fantastic motor especially after a pipe and vortex. What I don't like is the hard as a cats head seat, short service intervals and lots of vibration especially noticeable on the road runs.
I just changed my oil at 1600kms and it still looked great, going for 2000kms next service, using motul 300v, using the honda non syn oil it looked bad after 1000km. Valves haven't been adjusted in 10000km, still in spec
@@jarrod168730,000 valve and 5,000 on wr250r, wishing Honda made a rally version like the 300.
You be better buying the 300 . Put the money in the suspension rather than an ECU or flashing by the time your payments oh can't forget that crappy throttle on that 450 your into the bike on the drop, then 1st payment then uncorking the bike . Forget all that nonsense you can grow with the bike . The cost will be almost 18k for a dirt bike ? Buy a 650L uncork bike and put a professional tune on the bike, which should cost around $500ish, and you will have an animal of a bike . For half the cost . Due to the weight it will be better on the roads as well . Tune probably all 4 gears throttle wheelies all day long . Plus, my service on the bike is better and cheaper . And believe it or not . I'm a Honda fan boy .
So beautiful machine, reliable, powerful, light. A couple of mods, some bags and voilà the ultimate ADV.
I have a 2019 L….12,000 miles with no major issues at all. Only problem I have had is self induced. I overload it for multiple day trips and I go through chain sliders chains and sprockets like crazy. I have had it on the highest passes in Colorado and it has plenty of power to go over these passes weighted down like a pack mule. Been a great bike. Mine is bone stock and have gotten use to the throttle quirkiness which is the worst thing about the bike.
Maintenance intervals on the Beta and KTM vary on how many times its ridden. If you ride 4 days a week your maintenance schedule will be 4 times a week. Honda starts looking real good knowing that math
Honda recommends an oil change every 600 miles. I think that’s overkill. When I change it the oil still looks great. I bet you could double that no problem. It’s frequent but easy to change. The air filter is a royal pain in the buttocks. That’s all I do. Been a very reliable bike otherwise.
Awesome guys, I have the Transalp but thinking of getting the 450 to😀
Well worth it mate, a dream!
'A really interesting bike that grows with you' is a funny way of describing a $13.5k bike that NEEDS another $2500 of vortex, FMF and IMS tank to have DECENT range, performance and riding dynamic - opinions of this bike riding well in terms of clutch feel, engine smootheness or usable power range in stock and to be honest even in tweaked form compared to many big bore enduro bikes is complete garbage/spoken by those either incompentent or full of shit. I'm a die hard honda fan, owner of a 'Fixed' CRF450L that I bought once the prior owner had blow all the money on the gear and given up on it ever being a smooth in engine or clutch feel to about any modern enduro or dual sport. I would say for $10K with all the essential fixes implemented I'm satisifed but damn I hate diplomatic nonsense like this. Look, the clutch feel and weight is garbage compared to any Beta, KTM, proper euro enduro and even after improved clutch plates from rekluse and a magura hymec (another $1000) the feel & weight is still much worse than my 2021 Beta 480 - any compent enduro/hard enduro rider will spot this straight away and is degrades the overall riding experience/is noticable. Engine character also leaves ALOT to be desired, my prior Beta 480 was by no means perfect however the engine was butter smooth off idle, smoother and more powerful across the whole RPM range and had both more WOT HP and a a far more usabale range of RPM where the engine was smooth and ridable, I've experienced the same with KTM500's and even smaller euro units like the Beta 350. The CRF450L/RL (same bike) is by no means a bad bike for a specific purpose that differes to a euro/proper enduro bike, but nonsense like saying essentially anything positive about the stock bike, or suggesting that the ride on the CRF450L or RL , even uncorked, is objectively better or even competitve to other big bore enduro bikes, even in the smoothness or stability realm other than chassis stability, is utter nonsense. If your sole objective is for remote/trustworthy adventure riding on a dirtbike with more than 30hp, this bike is th ebest solution in it's weight class, for any other kind of riding it is entirley worse than a KTM 500, Beta 480RR or 390RR or 350RR in every single way including engine smoothness and control. I don't like to say things like this video is complete marketing wank but as an owner of a thoroughly fixed CRF450L that someone silly enough to buy one new would blow +17K on, the bike falls short in ALOT of aspects, some of which are simply not fixable - fuel economy for example, my vortex equipped 450L, even with some slight economical tweaks, struggles to keep economy in the 5-6L/100 range when I can punish my Triumph 1200 on flat track and speeds north of 130kph all down to twin track with similar or better economy. There are KTM 500's out there with better stock fueling, power, economy and at the cost of only minor longevity/maint differences, in reality on an ADV use cycle, with equivelant or better economy and requiring next to nothing to ride better out of the box. for essentially less money when including the fixes not required on a other bikes.
Beta 500 RR-S. l love mine! 😊
This bike is a direct competitor to the exc500f and is in no way better
5.6 Lt / 100 trail riding is fine with a pipe and ecu.
I went into a Honda dealer this week and the the clutch pull is light and feels perfect.
I agree maybe this video was a fair bit of marketing , but your seriously over reacting in your comments
You are right bout one thing. The Beta's that you speak so fondly of are a TRUE adventure bike. Every time you throw a leg over one it will be a legit adventure. The fuel consumption comment is valid but a little extra gas is cheaper than a good quality hiking boot.
I am sure the stock RL handles much better on the street than any Beta and you won’t have permanent hearing damage and a splitting headache if you forget your ear plugs even once.
Not everyone wants to ride a straight up dirt bike on the road.
If your trying to reverse engineer your RL to be more like a KTM or BETA than sure your already fucked in the head.
I've done 10 000km on my '19, solid bike. It comes from the dealer with a restrictor integrated into the tube after the throttle body, chockes it down to 24hp. Need to replace the tube with non restricted version. Twitchy throttle gets slightly better with kms on it but the engine braking with throttle closed is too strong, vortex is OK, Get sx1 is way better though. Soft rear spring hard fork springs. I get 130-140km to a tank, not exactly riding like a granny either. Stock tyres a great on the bitchumen, rubbish everywhere else. I would buy this bike of you do a lot of road riding, not much vibration, nice to ride. If you're buying a bike to ride mostly offroad, get a ktm/husky IMO. I want to turn mine into a supermoto and get a 300 ktm tpi for bush, best of bothworlds
Proper tasty,,im going to have a look at Daryl tours ,songs will be sung
This bike has way more power than you ever need in my opinion 40 plus horses is just psycho for the tight tracks. Wr250r feels nicer if you’re bigger dude compared to the Honda Just wish the it yami had another 5hp. Daryl is such a cool dude. He’s the best ambassador For Honda period. Anyone who is privileged enough to ride with him is very lucky.
WR250R andCRF300L are underpowered junk, might be fine for beginners but an average rider will need more.
300L
What about maintenance intervals? Is it still the short 1500km between oil changes for regular off-roading , or has it been increased?
Cut the loud music background about half. Obnoxious loud then have to turn up volume to hear context. Distracting and unplesant. Otherwise a very good video. Husband has a 2020 CRF450RL and likes it.
why the hell theres a 450L but not a 450 rally- i never get that !? :-(
Bullseye
Totally agree
I love Daryl Beatie!! The best helmet design I think - ever. Even better then Doohans.
100% 🙌🏼
Famous for losing toes in my mind 😂
i have this bike, it can do everything! just need a couple of mods.. and boy it go's!
Its super comfy on the roads, not in the GS range but very suprisingly comfortable and nimble. Then when you give it the beans it pulls.
I agree!!
It is one hell of a bike 🙌🏼
Man the music is sooo loud and the speech is so quite I cannot watch this
Nothing wrong with it.
No issues here
Did anyone hear that they had 3 bikes with different set-ups. I wasn't sure if I heard this or not 😅
CAREUD TPMS protects you with smooth and happy motorcyle travel!
Anybody find that the vortex ecu makes the bike turn off? I did about a 75 mile ride (all highway). Around the 65 mile mark my bike shut off, speedo and gauges was powered the bike just turned down I coasted off the highway and switched the key off. Turned key back on and made sure I didn’t accidentally hit the engine stop switch and I didn’t. Rode home like nothing happened. I seen the check engine light blink once but I’m not sure if it was after the engine shut off or when I turned the key on. Vortex ecu and a Yosh Rs4 exhaust. Bike is new to me, I bought it and rode it home
At 4.03 what is going on there????? Bulls a bit excited seeing Daryle? :)
Idk about the stock bike being ideal for beginners, seems to me like the smoother bottom end from the Vortex/FMF is even more important for beginners than for experienced riders. The stock bike is hard sell over the CRF300 unless you *know* you're going to upgrade it in short order. Otherwise I'd suggest beginners are better off with the 300, not too much money sunk and excellent resale, then when you're ready flip to a fully uncorked 450RL or a Euro bike. Hell, the 300 is so cheap some people just keep it as a spare bike or occasional loan bike for friends/significant others.
Yeah? My 300L has a pretty serious case of **envy** going on right about now. Coming from my 525exc, I chose the 300L for the slacker handling & greater comfort. It has enough grunt … but maybe I get a 450L: put a steering damper, seat, heavier fly weight, and use a taller gear…. I dunno.. I considered some thing of the sort before the 300L … and now I’m reconsidering it again
What about maintenance and oil changes etc....how often we need to do that?
How is this bikes performance compared to a motocross or enduro Honda CRF450?
Cool bike uncle daz
I pretty much took nothing away from that video other than the bike is red???
May be after another 10years, Honda could improve its 450rl to get as good as the old KTM500EXCF ... may be !?
is the flame out problem still present on the stock motorcycle ?
I am curious as well. Wonder if this is why they changed the bike to vortex ignition which is $800 in itself.
I had the 450L. Regular and unpredictable flame-outs. Changed the ignition to Vortex and changed nothing. Sold it. Bloody disgrace to Honda.
I have a 23 Rl. Up the idle a few turns. No flame outs at all after a few hundred miles of break it. Its a non issue for me.
The sound mix is very bad. Interviews are very quiet, everything else is screaming loud.
Agree, distracts from the message. It's not a music video, folks.
Thanks for the feedback legends! 🙌🏼
I'd like to know if the one with the FMF pipe maintains the bottom end power.
Both the bikes we rode with the FMF system had Vortex ignitions and it really lived up the bike from the standard CRF450RL. So it was really noticeable right off the bottom all the way through. - to give you a more accurate response we would need to go back and just ride standard bike and add the pipe without the ignition..
But if you were going to do any modifications, we would suggest doing both as it made significant changes to the power and delivery.
What stops Honda to launch crf in India
This is a dualsport bike. I wouldn't say adventure bike. Put street tyers on it, and it's a supermoto.
Not balancing the sound between commentary and B roll footage really detracts from what could have been a great video. I departed halfway through because I got sick of adjusting the volume.
Noted!
What did we learn about the CRF450? Nothing except it is red and has two wheels. Unless video.
We never commented on the colour
All it needs is a new ECU.
The BEST one is the GET by Athena done by TACO MOTO CO out of Las Vegas. 7,000 miles on mine before the switch and now it’s 1000 % better. Smoother and more powerful with better gas mileage.
🏍️💨
And the FMF is not near as good as the Graves titanium exhaust. Yoshi is second with FMF maybe third.
Plenty of tests comparing them.
I like my Vortex with FMF Q4 system. Nice and quiet compared to the others, with plenty of power!
Yes, Taco moto is a Godsend. I love that guy!
FMF is not as good? How so? This isn't a motocross bike where I'm trying to squeeze every last bit of hp out of it for faster lap times. I wanted quiet for riding In the woods and FMF Q4 is the quietest by far. If I'm down a horsepower to you, I won't even notice.
Needs longer service intervals, a cush drive, 6th gear, and a larger tank.. Honda knows this, and could make it happen with the wave of their hand. In fact, all the major Japanese manufacturers know this, but won't.
does it have a same frame as its MX brother?
It is not the same. It is wider at the bottom because the 6 speed tranny is wider. But its close
Put an XR400 or XR600 air cooled engine in that with a larger tank, than we'd be talking about the perfect little adventure bike!
Heck yes…the 600 engine in that chassis. The ultimate
@@stevesmith756 Now you're talking 😍
Put a XR650 engine in there
Wait and see what happens when the Royal Enfield New Himalayan 450 is released sure it wont be anywhere as dynamic as the Honda, but it's going to give Big Red a big fright
Pahingi naman isa nyan...
Now build a 450L Rally Honda... and you'll own the adv market in oz
Should we do an Adventure Build next!?
@@MxstoreAustraliasure if u want to put a larger oil pan into it and show us the surefire easy mods to get oil change intervals to 5000km and 10000km for valve checks.
@@Weltbummler23Oil cooler ups capacity
@@williamrae9954 sure, but thats more resistance to flow so then u gotta change the oil pump as well. All of that needs to be spec’ed out for the desired run time and intervals. Probably would consider different oil grade as well with those mods. Would like to see it done properly with parts list and expected intervals. Challenge to mxaustralia here… also if oil lasts longer, do the valve check intervals increase as well? 🤷♂️ they are also too short
I think I'd still prefer a simple Suzuki...DR-Z400S or DR650. They come with passenger pegs. Drag them through the Procycle salad bar.
that wasnt a review
nothing beats the 690 Enduro!
too heavy for heavy offroad
@@swedish_sadhguru3854 no its not.
if you like hitting jumps and steep hills it is@@JinKazama92
If it doesnt vibrate too much, this will be great with Supermoto wheels!
With the limited fuel range you need to drop Adventure from the title - ultimate Dual sport = yes maybe. Adv = nah.
Probably a good enduro bike and would be closer to a mx bike than a good dual sport imo.
Same as a wr450 except its red. On the highway over long distance its just another Torture Rack on wheels.
Biggest problem with these bikes is lack of oil capacity and short service and maintenance intervalls. Bolt all the farkles in the world onto it but its just a wound back mx bike with lights and a licence place holder. Realistically i can see this bike being purchased by ppl between 22 and 28 years old. Will be discontinued in 2 or 3 years. Im certain they release these production bikes so they can compete in 450 events like Dakar.
I'm 250-260 lbs but would like a light weight dual sport. What bike would you recommend if not the 450l?
@@cyclonus01 Bit hard for me to recommend a bike for you as your riding genere and your idea of dual sport riding could be way different to mine.
I would say for the type of riding in the video a dr650 klr 650 tenere or transalp etc..... would be way better suited.
Hondas are great machines but these mx derived registerable bikes are fine if your actually going to ride on single track or off gazetted roads. Take one any further than 20km on the tar at 110km an hour and youll be wishing for something else.
I think the purpose of the video was to give the bike a run and a bit of airtime but it probably wasnt what i would call dual sport or adventure riding, more a media ride or trial ride.
Darryl did mention they would be used for Cape York and Simpson Desert work which is probably well suited to them. Remember they haul these things to and from the rides on a truck/trailer and the company mechanic/truck driver/camp cook/first aider. changes the oil every other night.
If you plan on riding on farm or can get to some trails within 20km of your home than its probably a great option. If you plan on strapping a swag and gear to it and riding 400km days on bitumen and gravel roads id say go a dr650, tenere or transalp.
I own one - I'm in my 50's... For me, it needed a better seat, bar risers and the ECU. Those done, I now have a 6-speed 50hp (roughly) bike that weighs less than 130kg and does absolutely everything I want a bike to do. I travel on it, ride hard off-road, even occasionally commute to work on it. It's comfy everywhere. Love it.
@@orical2832 whats the fuel range, oil change and valve set interval?
@owadventureco.9184 Complete nonsense! we take WRs and RLs on 300 plus km loops with some 80km highway stretches and their fine.
This bike lacks the oil capacity and too frequent service intervals to be a real dual sport. Basically a road legal 450X.
what handguard are you guys running?
These ones are genuine Honda hand guards 💪🏼
Fix service intervals then you can my money.
Yup. Need 5000km oil changes, and I'd be fine to lose a bit of power for that. If they had done that from the get go it would be the most popular dual sport on the market.
Nah honda likes to confuse everyone and confuse themselves… are we building a 450L? Noo its an RL, that must be what the market wants: another expensive enduro which is in no way better than an exc500f 🤔
Don’t buy the RX if you need some tarmac ability… the 5speed close ratio is a PIA
Ol'mate knows about bikes, but nothing about cows apparently 😂😂 the cow was expressing "HIS" opinionsl. 😅😅.
No, it's a high-priced junk that you have to drop more money just to ride it . Nah, I'm good . I would rather have a 650L ok its heavier and a little slower, but it's rideable . And really put a tune on it for 500 and do the regular modes, and that bike is a beast ! For half the cost . And plus it's better on the road for traveling . Keep that computer junk ....
Love Honda… But no way. The tank is to small, the suspension to soft, the seat to hard and it needs a new ecu. By the time you do all that you can have just 701/ktm 690. With a much stronger motor better range and better suspension and bigger and better seat.
I'd take my 450 RL over any Husky or KTM. Love the refined features it has, the smooth ride, the suspension, and the motor once you do the right mods. Which by the way the European bikes need also (except Beta). Honda's are absolutely reliable!
Say years ago in the UK you had to buy a Lamborghini not a CR450L if you wanted to get out in the bush !!!!😮😮
What’s with the terrible music?
How can it be an ultimate dual sport/adv if oil changes and valve checks are measured in number of races, and with a support truck 😂… until they make an actual crf450L (without the R), lets keep it real this an enduro.
No, this is the big misunderstanding of this bike. If it is ridden in a non-race environment, oil changes can be pushed to 100 hours, that is about 6000km or 4000 miles in normal bike terms. And other motor maintenance is not really needed more than on other bikes either.
@@Blockbuster2033 no i checked the service manual before i posted. There are two maintenance schedules, its the same as the 2023 and 2022 models. one for racing/hard riding and the other is riding on the road. The road riding schedule says oil change ever 600 miles, and valve checks every 1500 miles.
@@Weltbummler23 Yes, that's what the manual says. Independant testing and oil sample evaluation on a multitude of bikes however, shows that even on proper hard enduro bikes the oil change interval can be extended to about 60-80 hours depending on the exact use of the bike, as long as it is not actually used for hard enduro riding. Heck, the manual for any Beta bike asks for an oil change every 30 hours in proper hard enduro conditions. That translates to about 1800km or around 1000 miles of street riding. The Honda in comparison has a much lower compression engine with less power and one more piston ring. Changing the oil every 600 miles on the Honda is just wasting good oil.
For valve clearance, you're technically supposed to check it every 1500 miles, but you will find - like others - that you wont have to actually adjust them until much beyond 30.000km or 20.000 miles.
@@Blockbuster2033 I hear what you are saying, but engine manufacturers have been increasingly honest and accurate with their oil change intervals lately. Most new cars have 8k - 10k miles oil change intervals, and i dont think people are saying, nah lets stretch this we can do 20k miles between oil changes. We also know that unlike the CRF300L, the CRF450RL motor was taken directly from their 450 mx bike, with small capacity oil pan and designed for short change intervals. With such a small oil pan, the oil doesnt get much time to cool off in the pan so temps are much higher by the time it gets circulated back into the engine. And significantly higher temps mean exponentially faster oil break down. If what you were saying is true, the manufacturers would have updated the manual already. The reason they haven't is because its a liability, and they want to cover their ass... and the reason its a liability is cause of the risk, unlike the risk of longer intervals on the CRF300L for example. If honda dared to increase the maintenance intervals for this bike they'd have a much broader market (just look at how many complaints are in the comments about maintenance intervals). Would be easy money just by editing some text in the manual, but they don't. Complex arguments on why you can push a bike 5x higher than published service intervals is a hard sell for most people.
Bullshit, I hade one and it’s not that good at all. It’s heavy twitchy and it cost about $2000 US to make it half way decent. Bullshit guys. Thanks for the marketing.
Where do u come up with $2000? Vortex ECU is $800 and bike will run great. Stock suspension is really good as are brakes. And for me 280 lbs is plenty light.
Spot on mate, pipe is heavy/hot and is essentially a given to be fixed + vortex + a fuel tank of non rediculous size whether your go Nomad or IMS ~11L - $2500 AUD effectively and that's without even discussing the dissapointment of the clutch and the spread and smoothness of power compared to say a KTM 500 or Beta 480 which are both smoother engines throughout the whole range and more powerfull. I too own one specifically for remote/desert trips where I wont trust a KTM or Beta but I'd take either of my other 2 bikes any day for 90% or riding without question.... making me want to sell it as I type this. BULLSHIT IS CORRECT
@@HoagesMoto aren't u going to buy those same products even if u buy a KTM? Here in the US, I never see a stock KTM. They always has a pipe, ECU and larger tank installed
@@churchofbrap876 They are, 1600 USD plus shipping for Vortex/FMF.
@@churchofbrap876 great point! plus you start off with $14,000 just to get the bike home, then the add-ons…
The short service intervals completely ruined this bike.
Would have been great to make something that superseded the DRZ400
Suzuki would have the ultimate dual sport if they gave it EFI and 6 speed
They sure would👍
And whilst they’re at it, take a bit of weight off and modernise the looks👍👍
Mine has done over 12000km. Honda checked the valves at 10,000km, and they were 100% in spec. I make sure to change oil every 1000km (qwick and easy with an eazy change tool - 8 mins), and it's 1.05 litre each time. Not an issue for me.
I've been waiting for this bike but after doing a 300km loop on my drz400e today in fairly trying conditions I'm think the old Suzuki is still a better all round option
@@Mudjimba23AT we no longer get the E model here in the US, just the S and SM. Both are great bikes, but not as good as the CRF450L IMHO, aside from the shorter service intervals.
Annoying background music👎
Not one wheelie…
We'll leave that one for you to do 👀
The seat sucks x 100
can confirm that seat needs a little more padding.
@@guy.streeterseat Concepts all the way
Frame of reference is important here I guess, if you want a soft trail bike seat this obviously is not, if you are used to an enduro seat like those from beta this is nothing abnormal or differnent and I like it just fine because I'm mostly standing or using the seat edge in corners as designed. There are plenty of issues with the CRF450L/RL but I have both the stock seat and a seat concepts comfort seat and mostly use the sotck seat for dirt riding so wouldn't have them change it as sold.
Why we don’t have this one in France. Only the weak 20 something horsepower. F.,ck EU regulations. Hopefully I still have my 06 400Drz.
But there is nothing left on the market😡
The answer to this bikes problems begins with DRZ…
I have 700 miles on my 21.. I should prob just get rid of it.
Why would you say that without elaborating? What is the problem with your bike?
@daleadmire1451 well it's heavy. Slow . Jerky. Buzzy on the street. Rather drive my van there and ride a real dirt bike.
@@Uncle-LeRoy heavy? I’ve been riding an XR 650 L for the longest time, that thing is a heavy pig! I want something more modern and lightweight so I really was looking at this bike, maybe a KTM 500 EXC-f instead.
the answer to your question is = NO. 2 gallon tank means that this is never going to be a dual sport "adventure" bike
Larger tanks are available. 😉
...😜,what about service intervals? Does it sound to you like at proper advanture machine...😋.
You just get a bigger one 😂😂😂
My 1990 350s will do better all around . Ok, go fast 👏 so what ? If you're on a single track or deer run, you aren't using all that power . Plus, my bike is more comfortable, and I have a 6-speed . It's more geared for the woods . Not bad on the street, but I'm in the woods more than the roads . My bike will do 67 with my gearing still . I don't have to flash the bike or buy an ECU for it just to be able to ride the stupid bike without flame outs . Why did they stop making the DR350S beyond my understanding. For the DRZ400S . It's not that much better . It still has a carb, and now it's water cooled . It's uncomfortable. Lost the 6 speed . Why ? They would have done better by putting fuel injection on the DR350S and stroking the bike, leaving the displacement alone . And put a real good suspension on it and call it a day with that six speed.....
@made_from_frogskins tanks are expensive. It should have came with 3 gallons the first time. Dealership near me can't give them away.
BS, I had one as well, they are heavy twitchy and not that good. You guys should be ashamed for BS people.
sure thing elvis
No, it is not.
Street/dirt road riding? Get them off the roads! Single track them against the KTM 450’s & 500’s
Lame review - thumbs down.
Nope, thats just an enduro bike 🤦♂️