Nora Bateson on Warm Data
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- čas přidán 27. 11. 2017
- Nora Bateson has coined the term Warm Data, and tells why it is important to take the Warm Data into account when dealing with the wicked problems and complex issues that we are facing in the world today.
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Oh My God!! I have just watched and listened to Ms. Nora on an academic Zoom conference of sorts, about 3 hours ago (August 30, 2020). The title of her presentation was "Warm Data Labs with Nora Bateson" with this Abstract:
"Warm Data Labs are group processes, which illustrate interdependency and generate understandings of systemic patterns for people with no previous exposure to systems theory. Warm Data Labs enable new societal responses to complex challenges." OH MY GOD!!! What an intellectual and fascinating woman she is. I think my use of the adjective "intellectual" for her is limiting. She is absolutely that, AND MORE!! She is a wise human being and teacher.
In an illustration, she held up her hand and said we can see the hand and finger as nouns that we can see and measure in quantitative ways. But, of the spaces between the fingers, how do perceive these liminal spaces and find the language appropriate to describe them? And so on and so forth... like how she describes the multiple "out-of-context" qualitative information about food!
That's almost like a Marxian conception of the historical/commodification of the item "food" and considerations of all the Capitalist relations involved prior to how it got there in the first place, but its brilliance is this culling-out-of-context of perceived bits of Big Date, mainstream data, "commonsensical" day to day information, that then potentially draw a much richer picture of realit(ies) as we have not previously thought of, felt, or experienced...
This may be the final frontier of intellectual research paradigms, no? What do you all think?
I apologize for the length of this comment, but I just listened to Nora Bateson and couldn't resist... I got on CZcams and searched her name. This was the very first search item that showed on my screen. Hahaha!
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Beautiful. I'm going to continue using this term if you're ok with it, Nora.
Ever since encountering the term warm data I loved it as it creates a placeholder for all the things I work with every day while being at odds with hard, cold and big data all the time. Warm data, as Nora describes is always abundant when one WORKS human stories and when one help other work WITH stories. Stories net, stories nest, stories relate, stories evolve, stories are warm and the data about them (such as the answer to the question "why did you share this story" creates warm data as that data connects the story to the reason it was shared for this audience at the moment in time. As thousands of people share stories every second, warm data can become a warm bath of data when enough people share answers about their stories. Thank you Nora for giving the stuff I work with a useful name.
Accounting is such a cold data term... but giving an account (I.e storytelling) is what you’re talking of here. In that sense, we are all accountants.
If I may ask, where has this comment led you after 5 years?
Great, Nora. I've just seen this and will include the link in the conference planning.
I would say that the Law of Karma implies this and includes frameworks and data at once but there is a lack of understanding of this in the modern era. Similarly, we make the same mistake regarding the word "mythology", which is REALLY a way to frame very complex data and Living Wisdom in the complexity without losing either the summary or the detail.
This is very much at the core of serious Chinese Medicine.
Thank you Nora. Warm data is so very practical for finding meaning in the midst of a chaotic world.
Alexis Ren brought me here
what's so great about this? a common sense approach. but most people don't even have that, as common sense is very uncommon. that's how people get labeled scholars and innovators and thinkers merely by peddling such stuff that anyone with common sense can really figure out.
here because of futurethinkers.org/nora-bateson-complexity/
This is maybe the most spectacular bullshit that fell out of the recent "data" mania. It really is just semi-random remix of some serious-sounding expressions from complexity science, data science and statistics. Also I really made my effort to find a real, useful, working example of this approach, and there is none.
It's almost as if it's new! But no, it actually is used all the time by literary scholars and historians who don't simply interpret texts on at a first-impressions level but delve deep into context, searching out the things which influenced the text - the author's experiences and relationships, the culture of the time, the political landscape, etc. Modern society, especially our leaders and decision-makers, DON'T do this, but rely solely on high-level aggregations and statistics - a process which necessarily strips away context in order to be properly computed. 'Cold data', as we could call it, isn't intrinsically bad, of course, but the issue arises when we look at these numbers and insights as if they are truth - after all, they are so impressive, since we have SO MANY data points. But they're data points that fit within a narrow set of categories.
I know of hospitals which have employed artists to help patients express themselves, and these paintings have literally influenced decisions at the executive level. That's a kind of warm datum.
Nora's father who taught her this way of thinking was at UC Santa Cruz and a mentor to Linguist John Grinder who was a professor there when he developed the Meta Model,,,which I will apply here now for your benefit: spectacular bullshit - according to who (is that a universal position, an absolute position a personal position - can you recognize the difference)? which "serious sounding expressions" from complexity science, data science and statistics are you referring to specifically? Whats your definition of complexity science? Can you entertain the idea that your "effort" was not adequate?
....have you never heard of 2nd order cybernetics? additionally I would highly recommend you read Korzybski.
@@dbrannick9585 yes, this was a personal position - im not some fucking oracle spreading the absolute truth through my youtube account. yours is the worst kind of sophism
Nora needs a hefty dose of Marxism.
Also Deleuze.
Could you elaborate?
Are you totalitarian?
You mean we should think about information in historical/cultural/social/economic etc. context? Woah, hang on there. I'm sure no other scholar ever has proposed such a radical idea.