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Lesbians Who Don't Date Trans Women...TRANSPHOBIC!
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- čas přidán 10. 02. 2018
- Is a lesbian someone who dates women, females, both? Where is the line for transphobia drawn? Sexual orientation is*** immutable. You can't change who you're attracted to.
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Genuinely don't understand why you're getting hate...? You are attracted to who you're attracted to. Period. End of story.
Because they're both men pretending to be women
Michael McGrath get out of here dude. Nobody wants you here
@@MichaelM28 why you here then?
@AsHLiegH-MaRie HoPe yeah probably closeted and just can't handle
Michael McGrath lol one of those women are cis. Your ignorance is showing and has literally invalidated any point you have.
You are not entitled to sex. No one is entitled to date you. If the person says no, it's no, period.
Penguin Taco no means no
True 100%
Literally this simple.
@steve jobs love child can someone tell straight men this. Jesus you sound stupid and uneducated. Straight women know this, but this applies to all people who act entitled to other people's bodies. Grow up.
@@bamababii5989 lol no they don't
"Dating is inherently discriminatory" well said. 👏
I'm bisexual, and I'm not attracted to transmen or transwomen, and there's nothing wrong with a heterosexual or homosexual person who isn't either.
You and I body. I am in all in every way to trans men or women. I dare someone to pressure me into whatever. Bloody incels
Thank you! I've grown up in the gay community, my best friend was gay, sadly he passed, but I went to gay clubs, had other gay friends , and that included Trans folks as well. I was always asked if I'd sleep with a man or Trans woman all the time. I told them honestly, I've never ever met one I was attracted to, I have only ever been attracted to woman, natural women, I dont even like women with boob jobs, but if I ever met a person I liked I'd change my views. For the most part they accepted that, I did have a few times I'd have gay men offer things while drunk, but id just be flattered and say no. I'm a big guy though, tattoos , muscles, beard , so I was always confident and never got mad at anyone for their wants or dislikes, I've met many gay women , well when I was younger, I'm married now, but I came across and made friends with them, some were super attractive and I respected they liked females, as a young man I wished they didn't lol, but I wasn't mad and they were great friends.
People need to leave each other alone. Love who you love, be yourself and allow others to do the same.
Both these ladies are beautiful and smart, I could definitely be friends with them, but I have no desire to bed them, so what! Why can't people just be people and let them be who they want to be.
Same, and agreed. 💯🎯
@kitty Tonic Why would I do that?
@kitty Tonic You have no reason to say that to me, and I'm not the person to back away from any conversation. If you have a respectful and intelligent reason to engage me, im here, if not you can take your own advice. I've done and said absolutely nothing wrong or disrespectful, and I've followed this creator for years. So im not going anywhere. Like I said, you have an issue with me, it's most likely a miscommunication, but I'll hear you out, im definitely not leaving because you said so. This is absolutely why there is so much of an issue right now, people live in a space they can just attack, have no reason why, never explain a thing, and expect people to back off, not cool at all.
This vid was done almost 2 years ago and the problem has got worse for lesbians
A woman that dates a trans woman is bisexual. That's their * S E X U A L * orientation. In the end it is a female dating a male, their gender might be different from the assigned at birth but their sex stays the same.
@@lealsofi stop the lunacy please...
@Manoa 80-85% of trans don't get bottom surgery, most just spend their money on facial fertilization and boob job surgery but regardless of that surgery and hormones don't change sex just appearance.
@Manoa *feminization, damn auto correct
What problem?
I like how "having dating preferences" has become a hate crime or something.
Imagine as a gay man if I accused straight men who wouldn't sleep me as homophobic.
I'm so tired of being attacked for not being attracted to penises on women. I'm so sick of other gay women and non-binary people creepily trying to pressure me into sleeping with someone I have no attraction to.
I dated a girl, who on the first date, out of nowhere, brought up her experience with a transwoman. And power to her, but then she said to me "would you sleep with a transwoman?" And I was like no. And she FLIPPED OUT. And I tried to explain that I wasn't looking down on them, I just wasn't interested.
Needless to say, there wasn't a second date with the girl who was angry with me because I wanted to sleep with her.
Her loss.
You need a better circle of friends. Tell them no means no and if they continue to coerce you, ditch them, just as you would a man trying to trample your boundaries. LBGTQ+ isn't a get out of jail free card for criminal behaviour (or at least it really shouldn't be!)
It's not a woman. Woman don't have penises men do
I’m sorry for you but remember that there are lots of people that agree with you.
I’m bisexual (even if some people call me pansexual since I’m attracted also to trans and non-binary people) but I know lots of lesbian that don’t want to date transwomen. I think everyone has preference regarding dating.
@@valeriavitale1290 real lesbians cant be attracted to trans women. these self-claimed "lesbians" may be called gynesexuals, or bisexuals with high preference for feminine appearance, or whatever, idc. lesbianism is not a fucking preference, not liking dick is not a preference. the word "lesbian" was (and still is) highly sexualized and lesbians themselves are fetishized (usually by men), with the rise of mainstream feminism (3rd wave) it became very cool to love and support only women, now its cool to be a lesbian for some people, and they wanna use this "label", so they call themselves lesbians, but if a woman can fuck with transwomen she is not a lesbian. period.
because transwomen are male by their sex (just a quick reminder), and lesbian is a female who attracted to other females. stop changing definitions.
sorry for any mistakes, english is not my first language.
Trans people are allowed to have a preference and pick and choose, but a cis person isn't apparently.
@Layla W "how are you going to force somebody to fuck you" It's called RAPE.
what about all those other people, the ones who are neither Trans nor CIS? Stop saying CIS to refer to everyone who isn't trans. Only people who identify as "CIS" can be called 'CIS". Not everyone "Identifies" as their sex. Some people just are male or female and don't need to 'identify' with a sex-based stereotype. You can just say Man or Woman or Person, you don't have to use a prefix to describe words that already describe themselves. I am not a CIS or TRANS person, I am a PERSON, and a woman because I was born female. You only need to say "Woman" or "Man" or "Trans" whatever. CIS is insulting and redundant to those of us who reject gender roles and sex-based stereotypes.
I promise we don't all think this way.
Most cis people are not attracted to transgenders so....it's shouldn't be forced at us.
@@solarstone6641 most 'people' are not attracted to transgenders... no need for the redundant prefix
No one should ever justify why they don't want to have sex with someone.
THIS
AGREED
You're right 100%
But as it happens there's losers who cannot get sex but have a found a "legit" way to pressure others to it, I'm talking about the trans activists of course.
❤ 100%
This
I swear it really seems like trans ppl who spew this type of stuff are the new incels. I really think it boils down to them not being able to handle rejection.
Lbr some of them were 100% incels before transitioning.
Best comment yet funny but scary
I'm not a fan of Blaire's conservative views, but I very much do appreciate the point she makes about how LGBT people are all lumped together and being gay or trans is seen as a political view rather than an inherent trait. There's all kinds of us, and the only thing we all have in common is not being straight/cis
as a lesbian this is so comforting to hear because it's so rare that we hear this opinion. thank you so much!!!!
It's right that you're attracted to whom ever takes your fancy. you're so right.
As a lesbian , you have a sore tounge
Mammoth B I’m pretty old. Please believe me, you are utterly ‘normal’, completely & utterly! The vast majority of people just know it... Ask pretty much any person (who isn’t bi), “when you get all hot & steamy, what do you want in your mouth?” & they just know! ☺️
I’m just not attracted to men as trans women are MEN!!!!
Exactly!!
I am bisexual. Genitals matter. I don't know why. (EDIT: When I say this, I don't mean to imply I'm only attracted to cis people. I like men and women, period, but genitals matter.)
It hurts that you've heard this from bisexual people. I'm sorry.
TheHouseElf same
YES GIRL thank you. They don't speak for me either!
I'm heteroromantic bisexual and they don't speak for me. People need to understand that genitals play a part in a relationship.
Bisexual girl here, I feel the same way. I can be sexually attracted to trans people, but it's extremely rare, and that's okay. Doesn't mean I am discriminatory against them. I am also a bisexual person who is in a relationship with a straight male, and we are polyamorous. He is in no way attracted to anyone who is trans, and that criteria right there means that a trans person in our particular poly dynamic wouldn't work. That's okay.
I have found myself attracted to trans people before, men and women. I like men and women, period. I also like genitals. What you have doesn't really matter, but my taste is binary.
As a gay man, I stan my lesbian sisters! I love you all!
As a bisexual woman myself, I don't know how other bisexual women can disagree with Arielle. I agree with her 100% and I personally want the primary sex characteristics to match the secondary sex characteristics in whoever I'm dating. I've noticed bi women getting hate from both sides on this and I really feel like it's not that hard. Like what you like, don't like what you don't like. Damn.
I'm bisexual, and I really don't get what's so hard about this concept for other bisexuals. You aren't into what you aren't into. Since when did "bisexual" mean "anything goes?" We of all people should know that preferences extend beyond "gender that I'm into."
Exactly!
Honestly it's not a hard concept to get around. I'm bi and people make me wonder sometimes. Lol it's the James Charoles situation yet he trys it with straight guys not trans guy. People just prefer what they prefer and I leave it at that
TengwarSoup AMEN!
Agreed
I agree. Cause if "anything went", you wouldn't be bi. You'd be pan (I'm pan). EVERYBODY has preferences. It's human instinct. No one DOESN'T have a preference.
Sexual orientation is based on biological sex, not on gender, like Arielle said. We've been fighting for our rights as lesbians for decades. We live in a deeply heteronormative society. We don't need more shame and violence towards gay people. It's disrespectful to claim ti be part of the LGBT community and yet being lesbophobic or homophobic.
Saying it's based on biological sex doesn't make sense, because if a gay man is attracted a trans woman, they're not still gay, are they? You can still be a lesbian attracted to a trans woman. Just like you can be a lesbian and not be attracted to one.
Pranay if a gay man like a trans woman with penis he is gay. because sexual preference are based on biologicals sex and chromosomes. In the same way a Lesbians who is attrated to a tran man with vulva and citoris. After all most lesbians are attrated to masculines stereotypes of female lesbians and not femenines ones and we don't like males (and the most of males wear masculine clothes like butch lesbians) but they don't like to Lesbians, and why is this? because lesbiana are biologicals females and have vulvas, clitoris and chromosomes XX. Sexual ORIENTATION and conditions is based on biologicals sex. The end.
True, I also like masculine women but I'd never sleep or date a man. Because he's male and I'm not attracted to men.
_"We live in a deeply heteronormative society"_
Because humans are a sexually reproductive species. Heteronormativity is expected. How on earth do you equate the reality of our evolution and violence?
"Dating is inherently discriminatory." I know this is an old video, but that's a very well put statement. People might want to deny that, because it has the word discriminatory in it. But it is a fact. I've always said I don't have "a type." But I probably do. Specifically in terms of type of personality. But gender and sex as well. People are simply attracted to who they are attracted to and they don't need to be bullied into altering their preferences as long as they're harming no one.
Yes I say that regularly
i was raised to respect everyone. When i saw my first transwomen which was only a very muscular man with a wig, my mother explained to me that some person didnt feel right in their body and felt like they belonged to the other sex, i understood and i was kind to them. The whole new movement since 2019 of agressive push about trans acceptance, pronouns, gender fluidity etc. start to really rile me up to the point where i feel hate and im ready to vote against them everytime. They arent making the space more inclusive, they are really hurting the movement.
Ignore what everyone else is saying. It’s all noise. When you were a kid your knee-jerk response was to be kind. Keep your kindness. Signed, a str8 cis-girl.
Look I hear what you are saying but they have been abused, silenced, imprisoned, denied, hated, ignored, torture, killed and experimented on. People are hurt, traumized, angry, scared and impassioned! I think people feel the strength to speak up about their life experience-in order to heal themselves, people the love, and to protect people who will have similar feelings/experiences in the future. After being assaulted, oppressed and hated for so long (your whole life and so many before you!) when you finally have hope and a chance to speak up and finally be YOU! And be happy and be able to find a community (bc their are others! And you aren’t alone! Finally!) you want to stop the hurt, the suicides, the misunderstanding so love and understanding can start to take over and heal, you take that chance. Problem is you have a lot of anger. And the. Theirs the media that blows up the worst possible situations, possiblies and random, rare issues for money snd support. There’s a lot of misunderstanding and a lot of outlying extremist views but overall people just want to be themselves. We can’t understand everyone and we can’t experience every ones story. But we can accept that everyone has a story and they are all valid and we all, for the most part want the same things: love, happiness, family, friends, joy, comfort, to have good memories, to be remembered, to make an impact, to love and protect, be loved and protected as well. So things like who we love and who we aren’t shouldn’t be judged or controlled. Let people be, let people love and be loved.
Right. trans people from back then and now are not the same. Trans use to do their best to look like a man or woman now they don’t even have to do anything and we have to accept it
The sad reality is the trans activists are mostly not even trans, theyre entiteled white straight children who want to be special and autogynephiles
@@Evelyn35688 even biological females have been abused, raped, insulted, attacked, hurt, experiments on. The number of biological women being attacked and raised is much more than trans and non binary out together. The number of biological females getting sex-trafficked every year is way more than the entire trans population.
But we biological females don’t attack trans people like how they have been attacking us since last few years.
They want to respected and called by their right name and chosen pronouns and yet they have reduced the female identity to “birthing person”, “chest milk producer” “menstruator”. They have reduced us to “baby making machines” they have attacked and played with the insecurities of infertile women and women with pcos.
This is the inherent difference between women and those with a Y chromosome. Women have the inherent compassion, empathy, caring and maternal instincts which most of the males may lack.
You might want to respect others if you expect others to respect you.
Im a pansexual, and I STILL have dating/sexual preferences. That should say something.
xango1922 Oh my god, yes! I’ve had guys say to me “You’re Pan, why aren’t you attracted to me?!” and I’m like “Being able to be attracted to everyone and being attracted to everyone are two very different things.” Not everyone is going to catch my fancy.
I agree, I defined myself as bisexual when I realized I liked one guy in my class, and his girlfriend! But I didn't like the other 28 students!
But now that I have a crush with Blaire, I'm confused, am I pansexual? Or it's just that she's an exception because she's so awesome?!!
@@abbyferrari transwomen are still women so that's not relevant, pan is specially to include non-binary people basically or that whatever gender isn't part of the attraction
Karin Stenelo that is not what pan specifically is for. Pan was first brought about in 1917.
Pan means sexual attraction not limited by sex (biological) or gender(social). Literal definition.
Pan covers nb yes, but as a trans there IS a difference between a cis woman and a trans woman regardless of what narrative sjws want to push.
A transwoman is biologically Male (sex) but their gender is female.
@Abby Ferrari Maybe you're awesomesexual!
Something ive noticed is that people who arent lesbians have alot of opinions on lesbians.
Zark Fuckerberg
Hmmm… opinions like what? 🤔
Unrelated but I love your username lol
I give no shit about lesbians
As a lesbian...letting society know that I don't agree with being forced, coerced, bullied or shamed into being with someone that I don't want to be with was MY main issue. When the so called gay community loses sight of that...any other talking point beyond that is pointless to me. It almost feels like assault to be honest!!!
I love when Blaire said: Not that trans women aren't women, they are just a different kind of woman.. And that's a fact!!
Me: Trans women aren't "biologically" women, they just happen to have the physical appearance of a woman neither are trans men. Surgery doesn't change your Chromosomes neither does it give you a womb, ovary, ability to have periods as a Trans-woman. Even if Trans-men were made to look like men physically and given a surgical penis (don't know if they produce sperm) but even if they did, it's definitely not real and not capable of fertilizing a female egg. Facts are facts no matter how people who don't have that mental maturity to understand things like this try to twist it.
No. They do not produce sperm. As far as I know they make them out of the clitoris that grows when on testosteron. But then you get a quite small penis.
If you want a bygger/ ”normal” size penis . By taking flesh from the arm or the belly and putting a pump in the scrotum, to be able to get an erection. For balls they use the outer lips from the vagina and put protesis eggs in them ( or pomp of you go for a bygger P). So no sperm.
( sorry for poor vocab.and spelling, I am not english and dyslectic).
they are not even a women, they are men
I mean Blaire is welcome to believe that, as long as Blaire acknowledges that most people will disagree, and that's OK.
People disagreeing with such basic concepts are mind blowing to me.
You *CANNOT* help what you're attracted to, there simply is no way of altering/changing what you're into.
I, a gay man, will under *NO* circumstance be okay with being with someone who has a vagina. No iffs ands or buts. I've tried it, and I simply couldn't get into it.
It may suck for those being rejected, but genitals are *VERY* important for many people.
I'm Transgender Female, Lesbian.
I could never get into Penis or Men, I prefer Boobs and Vagina.
We are on the same boat lol
Yep. And even with the surgery, it isn't going to function like a natural vagina or penis. To me that matters.
@@DiabolicalAngel I'm a firm believer in the real thing and surgery doesn't provide that.
Might as well keep what I have.
@@janetmerai "female" and "lesbian" describe biological states of being. For example, "female" is defined as the sex that can bear offspring and produce ova. "Lesbian" denotes female-exclusive same-sex attraction. So it's a misnomer for you to call yourself a woman or a lesbian because you're born with male biology.
@@IdontHug I agree with that, but also doing that reveals that I am trans in real life when I don't want people knowing for my safety as I pass very well.
I see a lot of dislikes but not a lot of negative comments, y'all sjw's can't argue your points huh
Probably this. They can only complain that sexual selection doesn't care about their feelings.
Well that makes no sense, it would be SJW's who would praise it, so obviously if your not a SJW; you wouldn't be hip with the this's and that's of complaints and life styles.
@@MichaelM28 then why are you so obsessed with them 😂😂
As a “cis white male” I have been following Blaire White for years and love her and her content. Such a breath of fresh air from someone with facts and common sense. Arielle you are amazing and I love you and your content also. I just started following you a few days ago and I am so glad that you collaborated with Blaire, you two are definitely my favorites gals on the “tube”. Hugs and keep up the great work ❤️
It’s so sad that this still is a problem, 3 years later. It’s blowing up here in Norway now. I don’t understand why any of you get hate. I have deep respect for the both of you :)
Love the video. I’m a stud. If I were to say I’m only attracted to femme women (which is true) does that make me studphobic? Does that mean I don’t support fellow studs? Same goes for gay men. I’m not attracted to men or gay men. Doesn’t make me man phobic. U can support trans and not be attracted to them. Just like our straight allies. Stop making shit so difficult people. Arriel, your a huge advocate and the LGBT+ needs you.
"Stop making shit so difficult people." AMEN!
What the hell is a stud? I take it you're not a man from the profile pic.
@@camberwellcarrot420 studs/ butches are masculine lesbians.
Honestly this is such a breath of fresh air. I'm so sorry, I know you're gonna receive A LOT of violent hate for this video, and I wish it weren't so. Just know you're fighting the good fight for lesbians, and we appreciate you
Oh hun it's going to be a complete shitshow when the responses start rolling in lol But Blaire is already used to backlash and so is Arielle so hopefully they just remain the course and keep on spreading their message. :)
It's November 2018, Blaire said she doesn't want to make political videos anymore because of all the backslash and I think this video was part of the problem. I've just discover it following a hate-piece written by some trans named Abigail. She received so much undeserved hate because of this (and also because some of Blaire's followers sent their hateful comments towards Riley)
@@KaiDecadence They're finally starting to I think.
Lol! Genitals most definitely matter. My ex husband was gay (long story short, he lied to me throughout our time dating). We got along great, had fun but when it came time to wanting intimacy, he was ALWAYS super hesitant. To the point you feel like a piece of Sh#@$$ for wanting intimacy. You can't force someone to be interested in you sexually or emotionally. Cannot be done.
I had to pause on the "if a lesbian says she only likes vaginas then shes not a lesbian", like, um, thats exactly what a lesbian is. Why these people trying to take this away from us? IM SO CONFUSED
I don't understand why some bisexuals can't wrap their minds around the idea of preferences like this. I'm a bisexual myself, and I totally get that certain people just don't like certain genitals. I don't like (as you put it) "manmade" genitals, and I have a bunch of other physical preferences too when it comes to height, weight, body hair, facial characteristics, etc., so it's not like bisexuals don't have preferences. Everyone has preferences, it's just human nature, and it's not a bad thing!
I totally agree. I'm bi too but just like everyone else I have preferences. For example I don't like feminine people. And that's okay because /those are my preferences/
Ok, so picture this... What if someone made a video about you and told you why they don't want to have sex with you, without you even asking them? How hard is it to not be an ass and be kind to others? You don't want to have sex with someone ok, a lot of people don't want to have sex with other people, to make this a trans issue is gross. If you don't like trans women fine don't make them not feel like the women that they are.
@@DahliaLegacy people wouldn't have to make these videos if transwoMen would stop sexually harassing women with their cotton ceiling shit
I’m bi too but honestly I’m not sure if I’d feel comfortable being in a sexual relationship with a trans woman with a penis. I’m not really attracted to someone with a feminine presentation and male genitalia. Like how I’m not very attracted to feminine men (not saying at all that trans women are men). I personally feel more comfortable with vaginas and would/have dated a trans guy. Again not saying trans men are women but I’m also comfortable with butch girls. This is just how I’m wired in terms of attraction. I can’t change it.
@@TheAsexualHermit Agreed, I'm a transgender lesbian but I fully understand why lesbians wouldn't feel comfortable with a penis (or even dating a trans person in general). Personally though I'm not the bit attracted to masculine traits (genitals and face not included), and really anyone identifying as a man. I can be good friends with almost anyone but relationship wise I'm a full lesbian, if I can even call myself that idk what the proper term is, Pansexual covers too many bases for me.
There is truly someone for everyone though, and nobody should ever be discouraged because of how they feel or look, just realize the definition of no. :)
"This never happens to gay men" -- wrong! It does happen to us, and it has happened to me many times personally. It happens to us LESS than to lesbians (because lesbians have to deal with both misogyny and homophobia), but it happens to gay men, for sure.
My thoughts exactly. It’s really not as bad in terms of threats of violence for us as it is for lesbians, but it’s still insulting and homophobic.
@@codyg224 yeah if a chick wants to sleep with a man and he says no what is she going to do about it? Nothing, he doesn't have to do anything because the chick can't overpower him.... if a lesbian doesn't want to fuck a man however and he thinks she should he can easily overpower her.
@@shirleya-z794 And that's why God gave mace to lesbians.
@@Lovuschka and steel toed boots!
@@shirleya-z794 and a phone to ring the police.
"Just be humbled and realise no one has to f#@% you"... BAHAHAHA! OMG! Love you two!!! And I'm a straight woman who has no problem with that adoration!!
As a transgender man, Arielle, you have my support. I think you’re really brave to speak about these topics authentically to who you are.
PS Adore Blaire. Y’all are fighting the good fight.
It's so encouraging isn't it?
I’m bisexual but I like men and women for much different reasons. Like I have a boyfriend I love dearly and am very into yet hypothetically if I was going to get with a girl and she whips out a 7 incher I’m going to be turned off to say the least. So even for people who are into both sexes I think this is still a relevant conversation. Just Bc I like both doesn’t mean I have to be into both all the time or in every circumstance 🤷🏼♀️
oh man, all the times a 'lesbian' asked me to fuck her with a strap on, like wtf? a) I thought you weren't into dicks? b) stop trying to turn me into a replacement for the dick you are afraid to fuck but obviously want to. Seriously. I'm bisexual as well and I love my boyfriend and I love his dick, but I would never want a woman to fuck me the way a man fucks me.
_"yet hypothetically if I was going to get with a girl and she whips out a 7 incher I’m going to be turned off to say the least."_
Interesting. I kind of have the reverse thing you have. I'm a straight guy and having sex with dudes is a no no like you can't imagine. Yet I had a sexual fling with a trans woman and that didn't weird me out too much. In fact, I really liked it but that changed nothing to my aversion to homosexual sex.
Exactly
@@shirleya-z794 the strap on is a toy and it’s not the same as having sex with a man. Also, it doesn’t have all the veins/isn’t realistic looking. I wouldn’t want to use it every time by any means and it’s used on a rare occasion. It’s just something to try every now and then in bed. When I actually tried sex with a man I didn’t like it because I wasn’t sexually attracted to him. So it’s very different lol. I like feminity and a woman to have the right parts.
@@shirleya-z794 stop telling lesbians not to enjoy penetration which isn’t exclusive a heterosexual sex practice. I’m tired of these divisions ! A lesbian enjoying a big dildo doesn’t make her wanting dick. It makes her wanting sex.
This reminds me of the backlash Chimimanda Adichie was getting when she simply stated that Trans -women are just that Trans women...there should be nothing wrong with recognizing our differences ...it's extremely important
I don't understand ppl who don't like you ladies. You're so real and honest. Plus you're both accepting of everyone's preferences. I'm sorry ppl suck ☹️
The argument of you should date me because I said I am a woman is an issue of confidence. The person is feeling unconfident and needs people to validate their decision. When you decide to accept yourself for who you are stop resting your confidence and validation on others you will enjoy life far more.
Grew up straight, engaged to a man at 19. Split up at 21. Slept around in my 20’s with both men and women (mostly women). Decided I was actually bisexual. Turned 30 and realised I hadn’t slept with man in 7 years and didn’t really ever want to ever again. Realised I was actually a lesbian who just took the scenic route then a couple of years later met my gold star wife. We both identify as lesbians and are both women who love vaginas and dislike penises and don’t give a fuck what anyone else’s opinion about our preferences are... We’re happy, we’re in love (even after 12 years married) and not hurting anyone.
Smudgie33 Many homosexual female discovery a little late who they are and how they born, but is totally valid.
Michael McGrath no u
Love you Arielle, standing up for LGBT rights even when our own allies are attacking us :)
You're the one who's attacking tho
This is exactly how women today feel when the trans community is attacking them and taking over their private spaces
Women marched with the tans community to give them recognition, and respect. And now they are attacking their biggest supporters and allies 👏🏻👏🏻
I NEED ANOTHER ARIELLE AND BLAIRE COLLAB IN 2022
I think this “CIS” nomenclature is yet another term to label! I find it so ironic when people in the LGBT community that ask to not be labeled now feel the need to add yet another label to the biological women! Why can’t people just love who they want, be who they want to be, and understand biologically we are prewired to to whom we are attracted to, it is what it is! Let’s move on and be nice to each other! Isn’t that what’s most important
This 💖
Some people are into blondes. Some people dig redheads. Some people are attracted to brunettes. Some people don’t care 🤷🏻♀️
No one is attracted to black hair? :( Haha sorry I'm kidding. Wish they had a name for someone with black hair. Blackette, maybe?!
I'm a sucker for women with light, be they blue or honey, and pretty eyes and black hair.
@@shannamac3974 it is a rare and striking combination
#LeaveTheLesbiansAlone
Thx
Darth Vaders Love Interest ???
@Darth Vaders Love Interest I've only ever heard lesbians be sad about their crush being straight I have never heard of a lesbian saying they are gonna turn straight girls
@@janeyjpg911 then u havent heard enough. Turning a straight girl is one of gay girls' most popular fantasies, and it's probably rooted in their straight crushes. I'm not even saying that as an indictment, it's just a fact.
@@memento_mori6019 hi uh gay girl here I have never wanted to "turn" a straight girl but I can see where you're coming from
A man could go to a bar, hit on, and be rejected by every woman in the that bar. Nobody is required to like you just because you feel everyone should. Also, I enjoyed your discussion ladies.
As a bisexual man, I can confirm that I've gotten shit for not being attracted to trans people. It's almost universal at this point.
Also, the tweet at 8:34 is an absolutely horrible thing to say. Of course they have a right to turn trans women down, just as much as they have a right to turn anyone down. People were not made to cater to your sexual or romantic desires. People are human beings with their own free will and agency. They do not owe you their body or their affection.
Jesus just leave us alone. Lesbians are women who love women. I for my part could not be with someone who had a penis, because I am a lesbian top and I like vagina. There is nothing wrong with that. I cant even imagine how younger lesbians must feel while still unsure and hearing this.
Two of my favorite ladies
JaclynGlenn fucking queens
BRAINWASHED fucking queens huh? Interesting hobby you have there sir.
If the three of you ever collab together, I will probably explode from the happiness.
same, girl
And A Third Favorite Lady has Spoken :-)
I admire your rational critical thinking..A very mature conversation. Finally, two smart souls!
I'm trans and love your channel. People are always surprised to hear my opinions on things because I'm an independent but still lean farther to the right on a lot of issues which constantly shocks people
Just throwing in my 2 cents: I'm bisexual in a relationship with a lesbian, and I completely agree with you both! I tend to be attracted to cis people and there's nothing I can do about that. I've spent a lot of time in the lesbian community too, and this whole thing really does target women as another way to control our bodies and choices. Thank you for speaking up!
As a trans guy, it's so refreshing to hear logic from LGBT youtubers!
i LOVE that they colabbed please do it again soon !!!!
Love this! I love Blaire, thanks for having her on.
I know you aren't automatically assuming this, but I'm bisexual and would NOT date a trans person. That being said, I respect them as people, and I respect their right to transition.
Give Good Face sounds like ur just fetishising trans people
Oops Ss this is a joke right? Lol
LiBrA no lmao
Esabella Pacheco so as a lesbian I “fetishize” women then? Lmao
LiBrA Im literally not even replying to ur comment
So everyone needs to be pansexual???
I’m tinker bell sexual.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Welcome to the Pan side! We like cis men, cis women, non binary folks, gender fluid folks, trans men, trans women, and other gender/sex combinations that I have no idea about! You must learn to be attracted to all of them!
Each conversion comes with a complimentary set of cookware to beat people with when they joke about you being attracted to immortal children, cookware, flutes, and methods of camera movements.
You too will be baffled by people who aren't attracted to people because they happen to be a certain gender/sex. Side effects may include perpetuating mysogeny and rape culture when pompous, self-righteous, and lacking empathy.
(I'm pansexual and I approve of liking whatever the hell you like without being harrassed for it)
nobody "needs" to be anything. It's your choice to discriminate.
Poison Control it’s not a choice
Poison Control
Attraction and discrimination are very different.
You girls are brilliant! Thank you so much for this honesty.... it gives me a little more hope for the future, and human understanding. :)
I just discovered Arielle's channel recently and love her videos. and I was super happy to see that she had a collab with Blair white who is one my favorite CZcamsrs.
I've never heard the term terf before watching this video. Also, although I agree with most of this video there is one detail I'd disagree with. I know that lesbians aren't the only ones getting harassed for not being attracted to trans women. I've seen examples of men straight men being accused of it before seeing this.
Having said that, I absolutely hate that lesbians are being treated the way they are because they want what they want. There is no phobia because there's no attraction. It's as bad as a guy calling a woman a lesbian just because she's not into him.
I'm lesbian
I would NEVER have any intimacy with a trans individual... friends yes of course, more than that... No Never
what about a pre-op trans man?
As a trans woman I also would not be intimate with you. I like dick and that's ok.
@@strawberryseason no.
I'm Transgender Female, Lesbian.
You don't need to ever be intimate with Transwomen, be intimate with who you love because it feels better that way :D
@@janetmerai No such thing, biological males can never be Lesbian
Love how you guys made this video together :D you guys are awesome
3 years later. How things have gotten crazier. I wonder how many of the comments are from people born after 1999? They grew up with phones in their hands.
As a black man if a woman tells me "im not attracted to black men" then I understand that. People need to seperate the differnce between preference and racism. Just because someone doesn't want you doesn't mean they are a bigot or racist.
But if a black man is attracted to white women they are bash. The woman is bashed. Just what i have dealt with. Being a white woman with a black man.
Yes, you said it perfectly 👍
I would say though that it's pretty mean to say outloud "I won't date you because you're black", you can still reject someone more respectfully.
@@bee4907 Girl I'm Sorry You Have To Deal With It. As A Woman Of Color, I Have No Issue. Shit, You Love Who You Love. I Will Be Real With You, As Black Lesbian With A Black Wife(Double Target lol) I Definitely Can Extend My Support. The Main Haters Of White Women With Black Men Are Black Women, But Here's Where The Hypocrisy Comes In: Alot Of Them Are Hateful Against WW/BM Relationships & Quick To Label The Brother A Sellout, But When A Black Woman Gets With A White Male, None Of Them Bats An Eye. Just Goes To Show You, There's Alot Of Emotional Immaturity There In That Particular Situation. Peace To You From Louisiana Girl!💯💯💯
You arent a black man though so what are you talking about? This isnt even relevant to the trans conversation
You can absolutely love someone without loving them sexually, it's called The Friend Zone.
You can love someone romantically without loving then sexually.
U can love someone as a friend without loving them romantically or sexually
Its called a friendship. Friendzone is an incel word
Agree, I think a lot of young girls these days make the mistake of thinking they are bi just because they have strong love feelings for a best female friend, odd how so many give themselves the bi tag these days 🤷♂️
@@johnross2924 yeah… no. Desiring someone sexually is VERY different than feelings of friendship. Maybe children or teenagers but in adult relationships it is drastically different.
I know this is an older video, but I love this collaboration. Love both of you.
I’m a libertarian and the weirdest thing has happened in society. I used to think THE RIGHT had lost their minds, and that was generally who I battled with. Today it’s completely flipped. Most conservatives today (yes I know there are exceptions) don’t really care who I fuck or what I put in my body, but they do care about individual freedom, property rights, and seem to possess commons sense.
I am a cis male, and I could absolutely fuck and/or fall in love with a trans woman, but she needs to look like a woman. Sexually, I prefer highly feminine humans. My preference, my choice. Freedom.
Great video.
And I love how Blair wiggles her shoulders side-to-side as she talks. Cute af. 😍
I'm sorry you're getting so much crap for this video and your views in general on this subject. Seems perfectly reasonable to me to be attracted to or not attracted to genitals. I think we all care way too damn much about who anyone sleeps with. Mind your business, people! lol
Rez Please For some it's not reasonable to be 'attracted or not to genitals'. A straight man is attracted to female genitals but it's not just that, it's the person being a woman, period. A straight man will only date, kiss, marry and have sex with real/actual women.
kotal skhan fine have prefrences i dont give a shit its weird as shit to say strsight men are only attracted to certains genitials i think you people are obessed with gentials not trans people
Rez Please here Here!
Kotal Khan ha. Haha. Funny. This is so wrong it's sad. Question: what is a real woman?
adele hammond Um. Was this response, for what I said or what I replied to? Straight are only attracted to genitals on a person that was born female, but not just the genitals. They are attracted to the person's biology, and physical makeup. They are attracted to their bodies and how they were born. What did you mean by ''you guys are only attracted to genitals, not trans people''?
Common sense.
Thank you both.
Peachyoghurt
I second that.
Peachyoghurt Common sense? Common sense is out the window.
Love you Peachy!
I was conflicted about liking your post. It was at 666 and I ruined it. :(
I love you both! Thank you for opening up the conversation.
Such a great collaboration! Thank you both!
I don't care how others chose to live their life, so don't tell me how to live mine. I've shared opinions on the internet similar to this that has ultimately led to me being shamed by the local gays at a bar. Individual thought isn't cool to them anymore and it disappoints me to see people like us shamed from what's supposed to be our own "open minded" community.
I have seen videos on CZcams by trans women stating why CIS men should date trans women.
Most of them say that it's because trans women can relate to the CIS men so they have common ground. That's exactly why I am only attracted to biological women and not trans women.
My attraction isn't just to the physical, I love everything that makes a woman a woman. I like the differences between men and women, mentally, emotionally, physically.
I have NOTHING against trans women on a platonic level. I don't feel that because I won't sleep with a trans woman that mean I'm trans-phobic.
I'm sure there are tons of trans women who wouldn't want to sleep with me!
So you are walking down trans channels whatchings dysphoric girls who transitioned to escape manhood, sayings they are like men so they can understand them better than cis woman. Maybe we are not whatching the sames trans community channels i guess...Because even for trans woman that's sounds very disg...
@@martinsolvan3642 No, I think he's keeping an open mind.
@@xAaeiynx Maybe too open...
Martin Solvan too open by listening to the other side? 🤔 personal preferences aren’t up for debate, they’re personal for a reason. Even you have a personal preference of people you want to be with and who you don’t want to be with. Shaming others to try to get them to change their mind will not make them change their mind. It will make them not want to be around you for shaming them.
@@nemui9654 Yeah I think it's good to listen to all sides of every issue.
I'm a straight female. My sexual preference is men. I can't say that I would ever date a transman because I've never had the opportunity to meet one and get to know one and see if we had chemistry and a connection. I've come across at least one transmen in my life (that I know of) (I have a few friends who are ftm. Not attracted to them though. Hence being friends haha) but never got the chance to get to know him. It was at the county fair and we were in line for a ride and we talked briefly. I would probably prefer cis men. If I never date a transmen and never get sexually intimate with one or do but realize I don't like it, it shouldn't make me a transphobe because I'm for trans rights and also, people like what they like. Nobody should be faulted or shamed for having a preference. We are legit human beings. Just let us be.
You guys are so awesome I enjoy watching both of your channels. Keep it up. You guys are heros!
Thank you so much, Arielle and Blaire! I am trans, and couldn’t agree with you more. Been waiting for someone with a platform to call this bullshit out!
I live in a rural area that is just coming to terms with gay people in general. As a lesbian, I am so so happy to see this video. You put all of my thoughts into words. Both the right and left bring the heat. Thank you both for using your voice!
I was about to write a long comment, but you girls already said pretty much everything I was thinking. Don't give a fuck about the people in the trans-community going after you, they are the ones in the wrong, you are spreading THE TRUTH. Keep it up!
@lemonssssssss4 agreed
thank you both for the video it helps to know that you two are understanding it helps me feel better
I have a preference of dark skin guys, but I would date light skins and brown skins too. Does this make me racist for wanting to stay in my black community. No. You like what you like. I'd date a trans guy, but if he isn't able to satisfy my desires, then what is the point? Why be with someone if you aren't happy?
Right, but youre black so no one is gonna give you shit for wanting to stay in your own culture and or race. You could even go as far as saying 'White guys and Asians are ugly, im only attracted to black guys and thats who ill exclusively date' and no one from this particular trans SJW group would bat an eyelash. But if you were white saying the same thing they'd have a fucking seizure and go on a smear campaign. I just dont like the double standard.
Jo Molly Brown Actually, when blacks speak positively about black love, we do still get hate. Its not from sjw people, yet. But we do get hate.
If you were white yes, it would make you racist... gotta love sjw' double standard
It's sad that this is true lol
It does make you racist, it's just that racism isn't universally bad.
Sometimes I hate being part of the LGBT community, then I remember we have you two amazing ladies, plus some other great members of the community. I love you both. Keep fighting the good fight!
Not anymore. Straight men and women are now called phobic if they do not want to date anyone trans.
Great segment ... you both are so awesome!
people just need to mind their own damn business because if i dont want date you or have sex with you its MY CHOICE. i shouldn't be forced to do something i dont want to do. 🙄🙄🙄
Crazy concept right? Having your own choices. Who da thunk it?
Tell that to sassibob 🤣
Say it louder for the people in the back!
Nadia L
No, not Stevie. Have you really heard Stevie say something like that?
Yes. Stevie's "tea" video is alllll about this annoying shit. Used to love her, hate her now.
I’m a gay man and I have been criticized for this many times
Just had this old video pop up in my recommended ones.
Wow, to you both and to the calmness of 6 years ago.
There is such a strange beauty in you two trying to be lighthearted with things and advocating for middle grounds and understanding.
Hope you both still find this power nowadays. So much respect to you and your work.
Wishing for you to keep a cool head and a passionate heart. ☀
love you both and seeing you both in the same video. wow so cool! you are both two beautiful person to listen. hope your open the eyes of a lot of peoples. 💖
Attraction is about liking people's bodies. So of course you "discriminate" based on peoples bodies.
Babblgam Gummi
Actually it's more than that. It's about appearance and physical attractiveness.
Peppermint Twixt yes, appearance of the body. By body I mean the whole body, including face, hair, etc.
Attraction isn't just physical.
I'm attracted to personality, but that's me and that's why I call myself pan. Because I'm driven by attraction to personality, not physical appearance.
I've dated men, women, trans, skinny, big, black, white, blonde, redhead etc - if I like someone's personality is what draws me to a person.
It's why I rarely have "celeb crushes" because I don't know them or their personality.
If your a man into, whatever he’s into, it’s okay.
Woman have to explain themselves, almost always.
I don't think women should need to have to explain themselves either. That said, why aren't you into nukes, sports cars, and half-naked Vladimir Putin meme video games?
You apparently haven’t spent much time around guys. Let your friends know you find Blair hot and tell me guys don’t get crap
Lourdes Fonseca it’s the people you’re not into that you have to explain yourself. That’s for both men and women, not just women. Some examples are trans, weight, and race preferences. Not everyone is into those things, but some are. When they’re mad they use shaming language to try to “fix” you according to their own views. It happens to both of us and I agree, WE shouldn’t have to explain our preferences.
@@Lovuschka What???
@@DonnaBrooks The question was a joke, obviously.
This is so refreshing to listen to you both. 👏🏽💙🏆
I love listening to you two! It's like a brain massage. To hear a common sense conversation about these topics truly eases my anxiety.
Old video buuut... This brings up a point that "activists" can actually alienate young LBGT people who's only exposure are these people.
*THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO DISCUSS THIS TEDIOUS TOPIC OPENLY AND HONESTLY LOL* 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Even discussing being attracted to genitals is unacceptable
This country has become trash and the community is completely different.
Thanks for calling this out. I am new to your channel, and finding the information so enlightening. The world needs more of this rational, open minded content.
There is such a thing as having phobias of particular genitals, so surely that would be a good enough reason to shape your "preferences"?
I'm lesbian and personally, the thought of a penis literally makes me feel sick, so in that sense, genitalia matters to me. I hope I haven't offended anyone. I don't hate trans people. I have trans friends, but I wouldn't date them (mainly because they're friends anyway) if they're pre-op. As Arielle and Blaire said, we just can't help what type of people we're attracted to.
Lol I'm a trans woman and my penis does the same thing to me, Other dicks I'm down with though.
Funny because I'm kind of different. I'm a heterosexual guy had a short sexual fling with a trans woman. I won't lie to you, having sex with a woman with a dick was "a bit" of an adjustment but it happened. That didn't turn me gay, having sex with men is still as much of a no no for me as it was before. I don't even know if I would be open to having an intimate relationship with another trans woman and since trans people are super rare, I will probably never know.
Same. I am a lesbian too and I will also say that I literally have NO desire to get anywhere near a penis.
@@iluvsubliminals welp... this comment didn't age well haha. I'm straight now, with a boyfriend and we both want children.
Guess things can change haha
I don’t understand why people are so hateful when we all have our own preferences... let people have what they want and you do what you want.
Great job Arielle as always!
Alurker02 sexual orientation is not a preference
SayuriOxygen my comment wasn’t towards sexual orientation, it was towards people who have a preference to be with a cis women over a trans women or a white women over a black women or Hispanic person over white person. You can’t insult people or be rude to them over the fact that they prefer something or are more attached to another thing.
You two are honestly flipping awesome. You're two of my fave CZcamsrs.
This is exactly how it should be.Two very different individuals having an open minded conversation without any nonsense.These two gals are awesome.