I was thinking this as I was watching the video. Would love to see how each of them would build what they believe is the Timmiest commander deck possible.
Protection from everything is the most Timmy thing imaginable. So much so it constantly confuses Timmys who don’t know that boardwipes actually answer it
@JonaxII That's a great point. Tomer kept trying to explain that Timmy cards don't need to be bad, they just need to do big things. If he used Cruel Ultimatum as an example of a Timmy card, I think Crim (and maybe Richard) might have stopped treating Timmy's like bad players.
Apex Devastator is the epitome of a Timmy card. You're always casting it in hopes of cascading into big spells, but you damn well know you're just cascading into ramp and poorly-timed spells; but YOU CAST IT ANYWAY! "FOUR CASCADES!? That's like four of my best creatures!"
Ghalta, stampede tyrant is a Timmy that can summon multiple other Timmys. It doesn't get more Timmy then that. It can summon an Apex Devastator triggering its 4 cascades.
I'm not gonna lie, when ChatGPT said tapping to create a token is to complex for timmy's as opposed to big creature go smash, I laughed so hard. Nailed it. I also love the idea that Timmy is allergic to reading more than a line of text on his magic cards lmao
You would think Marit Lage would be a timmy creature, but I feel like it's only used competitively by spikes in 60 card. I never see anyone play it fairly.
I agree with Timer (he does look like the clock guy from Beauty and the Beast), Phil would be better than AI that literally chose between two wrong cards on one of these. AI now is like saying you invented the wheel but only making fidget spinners, a real 'forest for the trees' scenario, just stop using it and let it go away until we have AI that is relevant to the grown up world, as is it's a fun toy for teens.
2:59 I don’t need more than 5 seconds to know that Brisela isn’t making it outta the first round VS new Ghalta, but damn is it always so much fun to play the BIG card.
I'd say Brisela over new Ghalta but old Ghalta is the cremé de la cremé of Timmy cards, a commander that's always a 2 mana 12/12, is there anything more sweet?
Keep in mind that ChatGPT only has data till January 2022. But you could just write everything relevant like mana cost / effect / stats if you want to ask for a newer card~
The definition of a Timmy isn't play big thing according to Rosewater. It's playing to feel something and experience something that brings you joy happiness.
@@qwerty62201 even though I agree this definition is boring and the podcast is not serious about it, and you also probably are sarcastic, I will still respond first degree. Timmy's unique in the way that it enjoys the experience. He seeks this joy. Spike does not seeks the joy, he seeks victory. He seeks to show he's capable, that he has skill. Spike has something to prove. And Johnny has something to tell. He uses the game to express himself, to create and to share.
Mark Rosewater's example of the Timmy archetype from his article Making Magic, Timmy, Johnny, and Spike, 2013. “Imagine a kid goes into a game store. Let’s just call him… 'Timmy.' Now, Timmy doesn’t have a lot of money. So, he buys one pack of Bogavhati (Tempest’s codename). He rips it open and starts tearing through the cards to find the rare. And then he sees it. It’s a big green creature. Seven power. Seven toughness. It’s huge. Huge! He’s eyes keep moving. He glances up at the casting cost: 5 Mana Green, blah, blah, blah. Boring. Move on. Timmy looks at the rules text. There’s a bunch of words. Timmy reads. Every turn Timmy gets another creature. Another entire creature. It’s small, but in ten turns, he’ll have twenty creatures. A 7/7 creature with twenty 1/1s. How does his opponent stop that? It can’t be stopped! Timmy finally exhales. He has found the Holy Grail.”
Holy fuck Richard and Crim are being so frustrating here. Thank you Seth and especially Tomer for making this not entirely Timmy slander. Ur-Dragon is pure Timmy and Tomer's argument was perfect.
The Progenitus ability that shuffles it back into the library (and the similar abilities on various gods) would make sense under a keyword like "Immortal"
Ooh, yeah. Templated similarly to Ward, so that it could encompass multiple different versions of the effect. “Immortal - Shuffle this creature into your library.” _(When this creature dies, shuffle it into your library.)_ Or “Immortal - Put this creature into your library third from the top.” …it really wouldn’t save a ton of space, but condensing the phrase “when this creature dies” into one 8-letter word would be something.
As an avid Dinosaur lover I have to say Tomer has a point. Dragons kinda have a plot armor so to speak being in a fantasy setting so it's hard for Dinos to shine up against. Unfortunate but true, dinos are huge they just don't have all the added value of the flying versions. 😭
I love how dinosaurs capture scale in mtg. Dragons are cool, but I feel like the art of the big dinosaurs does such a great job at showing how big they are. They also like breaking boats for some reason.
On Progenitus v Apex Devastator, the Timmy thing about Progenitus that you didn't mention much was that it costs 2 pips of every color, so when a new player pulls it off, it's like they won the lottery. Same with something like Door to Nothingness. Casting it is a triumph whereas Apex Devastator is every other day for a green player.
If you’ve ever seen those super-Timmy custom cards people make, one consistent thing is that the Timmy will make it cost something absurd like 3xWUBRG to make it look cooler. Progenitus has that energy
As somebody who plays a lot of historic brawl, Etali might be the single most common deck that I have to play against. People love playing ramp into ramp into big dumb dinosaur.
When a Timmy creature hits the board. He wants a collective “Uh oh…” from the table. When a Spike creature hits the board, he wants a collective groan.
I like these tourney style podcasts. I think they get better the more arbitrary they are. Whats more of a favorite leads to funnier conversations than what's better. Chefs kiss from a self identified timmy.
A Timmy isn’t someone who likes to play bad cards. Like every Timmy player loves Eldrazi, they don’t care that it’s “too competitive”, it’s just a cool monster that goes brrrr.
Here's why they're wrong about Worldspine Wurm vs Godsire: the wurm can only do something "splashy" when it dies, godsire only does something after waiting a full turn without it dying -> Timmy's don't believe their creature can die.
Considering how little interaction is in most non blue peoples decks, there is a fair chance for godsire to stick around, specially if you underestimate it.
I don't even need to watch this to know 100% that Ghalta Stampeding Tyrant is BY FAR the timmiest big creature around and it's in green so it's not a turn 8 drop... it's like a turn 4 drop and you just drop everything roar as loud as you can and then get board wiped by the next player. it's epic.
Ur-Dragon deserved the Timmy win against Avacyn. Avacyn is definitely more sweaty and trying hard to lock down a board. Ur-Dragon reduces the cost of your Dragons which are all Timmy creatures already. 5 color is also a Timmy experience. We love big things to happen, and love to see many colors happen too.
Creatures im missing: - Ancient Gold Dragon - Apex Altisaur (or better said apex punchisaur!) - Bladewing, Deathless Tyrant - Copper Host Crusher - Hellkite Overlord - Koma, Cosmos Serpent - Magister Sphinx - Zacama, Primal Calamity And even on non creature spells there are some awesome once that fit that role :)
Desolation twin hoses Yargle and Multani. Timmy starts playing magic. Sees eldrazi. Googles eldrazi and is overwhelmed by keywords and etb's and attack triggers so he starts reading on eldrazi lore and bam - omg two ELDRAZI, unstoppable eldritch beings?!? Sign me up! Plus my Timmy brain got interested when I opened up Shadows over Innistrad block and saw that Avacyn. And then googled and found the original one and my Timmy brain melted. "Omg INDESTRUCTIBLE!!" "HOW CAN YOU EVER BEAT MY INDESTRUCTIBLE THINGS" "EVEN MY LANDS!?!" Goth Angel Dommy Mommy wins over Etali.
51:16 I am not sure what you guys are on, but every single Version of Y&M I seen so far was sweaty as heck. Ways to protect it, pump it and ramp into it. Meanwhile I seen people throw Avacyn just straight up into the angle precon I thought it came with her and they grind like idiots playing full price for her even if they could never swing
Crim always countering Timer regardless of what he says is hilarious. I also think Avacyn has nothing on Ur-Dragon as far as Timmy goes. Avacyn saves your stuff - Timmy is thinking “how do I put more stuff into play?”
before finishing the vid, my vote goes to Apex Devastator, because it is the timmiest card my opponents would actually let resolve. Flipping cards off the top is fun, even when they whiff, and it can change the board drastically or not at all. That gamble and the emotions are priceless to me. Edit: I love democracy
@@DiscardatRandomTimmy doesn’t mean bad 😂 Timmies just want to spend big mana to do big things. Timmy decks often end up arch enemy because of they’ve shit out a board of huge threats
i still rember when i was starting commander i went to a new shop and i see the ur dragon precon and it was the coolest card I've ever seen. eminence may have been a mistake but we got the such a cool card with it. sad he got snuffed.
I love me some good timmy cards, but I think I prefer tier lists to the brackets. Rate within the top tier if you need to (Richard normally orders them that way anyway)
I think the way to score these is to hold them up and ask yourself who can beat who. If a Timmy is choosing between cards it is almost straight up: can this kill/be killed by the other card. Then if they're even: higher power or other abilities. Bonus points for trample. "You mean i can still hit my opponents even if they block!?"
I’m sure somebody else has said this but unless you are using gpt 4, chat gpt won’t have all the most recent sets and therefore not the most recent cards. It was trained on data I think up until 2021. That might be why it keeps using the wrong card.
I’d maybe throw in Atraxa, Grand Unifier. A massive creature, with a bunch of abilities, a high and color-demanding mana-cost, and oh boy! I can draw like 9 cards with this! A lot of the best creatures for Reanimation are Timmy cards
The question is, if you were to build 'the most Timmy deck' who would be your commander. Would it be Ghalta since it is the most Timmy card, or would it be Progenitus so that you can play all the Timmy cards in all the colors?
Timmy doesn’t mean play bad creatures that happen to be big. It means play creatures or spells that have a huge impact. Eldrazis are the definition of Timmy as is the new Etali.
I went against this woman at an lgs and she played progenitus as her commander. She had fist of suns on the board and refused to cast progentius with it. That is where I learned the highest tier of fist bump criteria... What a legend.
16:56 JUDGE! ChatGBT doesn't count here it said it brings four random cards into play, "when it enters the battlefield". But cascade is a cast trigger! So we have to give the point to Impervious Greatwurm instead. ☺️
Some enormous creatures not included in the brackets: Body of Research (likely at least an 80/80 for 6 mana) Auratouched Mage->Colossification (a 23/23 for 6 mana that enters tapped) Serra Avatar/Soul of Eternity (potentially a 40/40 for 7 mana) Minion of the Wastes (a 39/39 trampler for 6 mana if you're willing to pay 39 life) Malignus (a 20/20 for 5 mana while an opponent is still at 40 life) As well as a variety of creatures that can become absolutely massive in a 4 player game (Lord of Extinction, Beast of Burden, Wilderness Elemental, Ignition Team, Custodi Soulbinders, Consuming Aberration)
To add to this. Blight steel is a serious card. Etali sees standard combo play and is super Timmy with random casts and then you get your big infect finisher. Plus it can be a commander. Very convinced half of you don't actually understand what a Timmy is.
Looking at EDHREC, Yargle and Multani's home is as sac fodder for Shadowheart (The Dark Justiciar), decks who want to double power to silly numbers (Mr Orfeo the Boulder and then maybe flinging creatures). That you care about this as its a build around for being thick and empowered to smash. Whereas 10 is a lot of mana. Ask yourself would you rather cast The Ceaseless Hunger or Desolation Twin. As Yargle is discounted and basically the same power, I would choose a high synergy deck that lets me enjoy some power matters synergies with Yargle as fodder than an uncastable vanilla creature.
The actual most Timmy card is Yusri, Fortune's Flame. As was said a few times, Timmy doesn't care about what's best, but rather what's coolest. And ya know what's really cool? Winning 5 coin flips, drawing 5 cards, and then casting them for free!! Imagine what you could hit!!! You could cast so many lava axes!!!!
It is hilarious to me that even though my playstyle does not match with Crim at all, his and my understanding of Timmy cards was practically the same the whole episode. Yargle is the true winner for me.
As a Timmy, despite the right conclusion, Crim and Richard are severely hampered in this discussion by not having a Timmy-like bone in their bodies. Seth and Tomer knew exactly what the objectively correct answers were.
Everybody talking about "Timmer" but nobody talking about "Crimothy" who knows about the Dinosaur Code. Crim definitely had the choices that resonated most with my inner 5 year old and the others were clearly activating too many neurons
The amount of distain that Crim and Richard have for Timmy players is just... Etali is so Timmy because it's huge and random and (critically) requires absolutely no setup. The difference between Timmy and Spike is the amount of setup required
On Blightsteel v Etali, I don't think ChatGPT has information from 2023 onward. There's a cutoff, though I'm not sure of the specific, which is why it probably went with Primal Storm.
Hot Take: Yargle and Multani is a sleeper Johnny card. Because of the low toughness, the best way to play it in Commander is to use a bunch of cards that let you take advantage of the high power without actually having to fight with it. Not exactly a Timmy playstyle.
Since each of the top 4 creatures was legendary, you all should do commander clash where each person builds the best Timmy deck around the top 4.
I was thinking this as I was watching the video. Would love to see how each of them would build what they believe is the Timmiest commander deck possible.
And when the commander is played you get a fist bump
Timmander Clash?
This comment wins
Etali is too good
Protection from everything is the most Timmy thing imaginable. So much so it constantly confuses Timmys who don’t know that boardwipes actually answer it
But it has Protection from everything! Even death!
Protection feom everything is just Shroud and can't be blocked. What a day when I found out.
@@thek838 Hahahah exactly! It's unkillable!
Asking Crim's opinion on timmy cards is like asking a vegan to choose the best cut at a steakhouse.
Seriously 😆
And yet, he loves Cruel Ultimatum, the most Timmy Sorcery. He's a Timmy, just not for creatures.
@JonaxII That's a great point. Tomer kept trying to explain that Timmy cards don't need to be bad, they just need to do big things. If he used Cruel Ultimatum as an example of a Timmy card, I think Crim (and maybe Richard) might have stopped treating Timmy's like bad players.
Thank God, I couldn't have said it better myself
Apex Devastator is the epitome of a Timmy card. You're always casting it in hopes of cascading into big spells, but you damn well know you're just cascading into ramp and poorly-timed spells; but YOU CAST IT ANYWAY! "FOUR CASCADES!? That's like four of my best creatures!"
As a Timmy I want to like Devastator but it not having trample is an offense of the highest order
I play it in my landfall deck, please cascade into ramp mr devastator
Ghalta, stampede tyrant is a Timmy that can summon multiple other Timmys. It doesn't get more Timmy then that. It can summon an Apex Devastator triggering its 4 cascades.
I'm not gonna lie, when ChatGPT said tapping to create a token is to complex for timmy's as opposed to big creature go smash, I laughed so hard.
Nailed it.
I also love the idea that Timmy is allergic to reading more than a line of text on his magic cards lmao
kinda true though, you wanna attack with it not tap it, so its a tough spot to be in as a Timmy
@@borislibaque1558godsire has vigilance though, so you can both attack AND tap it
@@borislibaque1558 Godsire has vigilance, so you don't really need to choose
@ben_clifford Sorry I'm too Timmy I didn't notice the vigilance and assumed you had to pick.
@@shawnrehm2394 😝
Marit Lage gets an honorable mention for most Timmy token creature, not the Desolation Twin token :^ )
You would think Marit Lage would be a timmy creature, but I feel like it's only used competitively by spikes in 60 card. I never see anyone play it fairly.
Phil should be on call for the rest of these types of videos
Yes, please! Or just any solution that isn't ChatGPT
If they just did it with 5 people in general there would never be a tie....
I agree with Timer (he does look like the clock guy from Beauty and the Beast), Phil would be better than AI that literally chose between two wrong cards on one of these. AI now is like saying you invented the wheel but only making fidget spinners, a real 'forest for the trees' scenario, just stop using it and let it go away until we have AI that is relevant to the grown up world, as is it's a fun toy for teens.
Phil would be infinitely better than ChatGPT… At least he actually knows what the cards are
Watching a group of Spikes and Johnnys argue over what a Timmy is was more painful than expected, kudos
Crim was at his peak in this episode. "what are you going to cascade into? A good card? No you're a Timmy" hahahahaha
19:00 "protection from everything" is one of those great examples where rules text is also flavour text
2:59 I don’t need more than 5 seconds to know that Brisela isn’t making it outta the first round VS new Ghalta, but damn is it always so much fun to play the BIG card.
Brisela my fav card in magic so I agree
I'd say Brisela over new Ghalta but old Ghalta is the cremé de la cremé of Timmy cards, a commander that's always a 2 mana 12/12, is there anything more sweet?
Keep in mind that ChatGPT only has data till January 2022. But you could just write everything relevant like mana cost / effect / stats if you want to ask for a newer card~
That explains Etali
The definition of a Timmy isn't play big thing according to Rosewater. It's playing to feel something and experience something that brings you joy happiness.
Yeah but that definition is boring, we assume that playing Mtg in general is enjoyable. How are Timmy's unique in that sense?
Does this mean only the people that are numb to magic aren't Timmys?
@@qwerty62201 even though I agree this definition is boring and the podcast is not serious about it, and you also probably are sarcastic, I will still respond first degree. Timmy's unique in the way that it enjoys the experience. He seeks this joy. Spike does not seeks the joy, he seeks victory. He seeks to show he's capable, that he has skill. Spike has something to prove. And Johnny has something to tell. He uses the game to express himself, to create and to share.
So the control mage with no win cons that plays for the thrilling feeling of letting you do nothing is a Timmy?
@@andrewgolubiewski3463griefers is a subsection of timmy, so yes
Mark Rosewater's example of the Timmy archetype from his article Making Magic, Timmy, Johnny, and Spike, 2013.
“Imagine a kid goes into a game store. Let’s just call him… 'Timmy.' Now, Timmy doesn’t have a lot of money. So, he buys one pack of Bogavhati (Tempest’s codename). He rips it open and starts tearing through the cards to find the rare. And then he sees it. It’s a big green creature. Seven power. Seven toughness. It’s huge. Huge! He’s eyes keep moving. He glances up at the casting cost: 5 Mana Green, blah, blah, blah. Boring. Move on. Timmy looks at the rules text. There’s a bunch of words. Timmy reads. Every turn Timmy gets another creature. Another entire creature. It’s small, but in ten turns, he’ll have twenty creatures. A 7/7 creature with twenty 1/1s. How does his opponent stop that? It can’t be stopped! Timmy finally exhales. He has found the Holy Grail.”
Verdant Force was the truth to my Timmy Heart
Dude the chat gpt response on apex devastator was so spot on it's quite disturbing
Holy fuck Richard and Crim are being so frustrating here.
Thank you Seth and especially Tomer for making this not entirely Timmy slander. Ur-Dragon is pure Timmy and Tomer's argument was perfect.
Gigantosaurus is literally the card named on Timmy Power Gamer
The Progenitus ability that shuffles it back into the library (and the similar abilities on various gods) would make sense under a keyword like "Immortal"
I like that
Ooh, yeah. Templated similarly to Ward, so that it could encompass multiple different versions of the effect. “Immortal - Shuffle this creature into your library.” _(When this creature dies, shuffle it into your library.)_ Or “Immortal - Put this creature into your library third from the top.”
…it really wouldn’t save a ton of space, but condensing the phrase “when this creature dies” into one 8-letter word would be something.
As an avid Dinosaur lover I have to say Tomer has a point. Dragons kinda have a plot armor so to speak being in a fantasy setting so it's hard for Dinos to shine up against. Unfortunate but true, dinos are huge they just don't have all the added value of the flying versions. 😭
I love how dinosaurs capture scale in mtg. Dragons are cool, but I feel like the art of the big dinosaurs does such a great job at showing how big they are. They also like breaking boats for some reason.
How did you guys not on the biggest timmy on the cast phil? 😂
Yargle having 6 toughness makes it an even better Timmy Card. It's TWO Yargle, Glutton of Urborgs stapled together
EXACTLY
On Progenitus v Apex Devastator, the Timmy thing about Progenitus that you didn't mention much was that it costs 2 pips of every color, so when a new player pulls it off, it's like they won the lottery. Same with something like Door to Nothingness. Casting it is a triumph whereas Apex Devastator is every other day for a green player.
If you’ve ever seen those super-Timmy custom cards people make, one consistent thing is that the Timmy will make it cost something absurd like 3xWUBRG to make it look cooler. Progenitus has that energy
Technically, I believe the Marit Lage token is the largest creature token at 20/20.
Surprised that Phil isn’t here, I feel like he would have some fun inputs
28:28 I think the OG Elder Dinosaurs are more Timmy than the new ones
As somebody who plays a lot of historic brawl, Etali might be the single most common deck that I have to play against. People love playing ramp into ramp into big dumb dinosaur.
Yargle and multani isn't splashy enough to be the Timmy winner. Big creature and splashy effects is what Timmy means to me
Watching Tomer slowly give in to Crim's criteria is hilarious.
Meld is the timmiest mechanic of all time. Brisela was robbed.
They were actually being real for a round…and then they broke Tomer lol
I legitimately got fist bumped for playing Progenitus earlier this year. Last week someone played Ghalta on like turn four and everyone groaned.
I think everyone groaning is more of indicator of Timmy than fist bumps.
When a Timmy creature hits the board. He wants a collective “Uh oh…” from the table. When a Spike creature hits the board, he wants a collective groan.
I like these tourney style podcasts. I think they get better the more arbitrary they are.
Whats more of a favorite leads to funnier conversations than what's better.
Chefs kiss from a self identified timmy.
A Timmy isn’t someone who likes to play bad cards. Like every Timmy player loves Eldrazi, they don’t care that it’s “too competitive”, it’s just a cool monster that goes brrrr.
Here's why they're wrong about Worldspine Wurm vs Godsire: the wurm can only do something "splashy" when it dies, godsire only does something after waiting a full turn without it dying -> Timmy's don't believe their creature can die.
Considering how little interaction is in most non blue peoples decks, there is a fair chance for godsire to stick around, specially if you underestimate it.
By the 2nd round this bracket became pure meme. I think you guys lost the plot a bit on your picks, but I still enjoyed it immensely.
I really like these Podcasts. Great stuff to listen to while going to sleep / game / sitting in trains
Ulamog is like 40 bucks. How is little Timmy supposed to supposed to afford an Eldrazi titan?
44:25 Tomer is the actual Timmy here. His votes should count twice.
I don't even need to watch this to know 100% that Ghalta Stampeding Tyrant is BY FAR the timmiest big creature around and it's in green so it's not a turn 8 drop... it's like a turn 4 drop and you just drop everything roar as loud as you can and then get board wiped by the next player. it's epic.
Chatgpt absolutely nailed the apex devastator decision
16/16
Ur-Dragon deserved the Timmy win against Avacyn. Avacyn is definitely more sweaty and trying hard to lock down a board. Ur-Dragon reduces the cost of your Dragons which are all Timmy creatures already. 5 color is also a Timmy experience. We love big things to happen, and love to see many colors happen too.
100% agree
Creatures im missing:
- Ancient Gold Dragon
- Apex Altisaur (or better said apex punchisaur!)
- Bladewing, Deathless Tyrant
- Copper Host Crusher
- Hellkite Overlord
- Koma, Cosmos Serpent
- Magister Sphinx
- Zacama, Primal Calamity
And even on non creature spells there are some awesome once that fit that role :)
Shelob, Child of Ungoliant
I unironically love how every one of these bracket-offs so quickly descends into petty grudges and infighting about previous picks.
Timmy cards can be good too!
"If you look at the backside, it's fantastic"
- Tomer 2023
Richard and his Timmy nicknames for the cast are spot on!
Desolation twin hoses Yargle and Multani. Timmy starts playing magic. Sees eldrazi. Googles eldrazi and is overwhelmed by keywords and etb's and attack triggers so he starts reading on eldrazi lore and bam - omg two ELDRAZI, unstoppable eldritch beings?!? Sign me up!
Plus my Timmy brain got interested when I opened up Shadows over Innistrad block and saw that Avacyn. And then googled and found the original one and my Timmy brain melted. "Omg INDESTRUCTIBLE!!" "HOW CAN YOU EVER BEAT MY INDESTRUCTIBLE THINGS" "EVEN MY LANDS!?!"
Goth Angel Dommy Mommy wins over Etali.
Progenitus is the only creature I ever had to do a second take when I first read it
I once saw Reid Duke actually cast Progenitus in his Legacy elves deck.
Idk if I agree with the criteria.
Chat gbt had a better criteria 😂
Crim: What is thr most timmy creature typ? Dinosaurs
Also Crim: Etali, the dinosaur blightsteel is not timmy.
51:16 I am not sure what you guys are on, but every single Version of Y&M I seen so far was sweaty as heck. Ways to protect it, pump it and ramp into it. Meanwhile I seen people throw Avacyn just straight up into the angle precon I thought it came with her and they grind like idiots playing full price for her even if they could never swing
Crim always countering Timer regardless of what he says is hilarious.
I also think Avacyn has nothing on Ur-Dragon as far as Timmy goes. Avacyn saves your stuff - Timmy is thinking “how do I put more stuff into play?”
before finishing the vid, my vote goes to Apex Devastator, because it is the timmiest card my opponents would actually let resolve. Flipping cards off the top is fun, even when they whiff, and it can change the board drastically or not at all. That gamble and the emotions are priceless to me.
Edit: I love democracy
Its weird how some of the archetypal Timmy cards didn't make the list, like Verdant Force or Avenger of Zendikar.
I pushed hard for Verdant Force to be the boomer card, but with only 16 slots what can you do?
Avenger of zendikar is so sweaty
@@DiscardatRandomTimmy doesn’t mean bad 😂 Timmies just want to spend big mana to do big things. Timmy decks often end up arch enemy because of they’ve shit out a board of huge threats
i still rember when i was starting commander i went to a new shop and i see the ur dragon precon and it was the coolest card I've ever seen. eminence may have been a mistake but we got the such a cool card with it. sad he got snuffed.
I love me some good timmy cards, but I think I prefer tier lists to the brackets. Rate within the top tier if you need to (Richard normally orders them that way anyway)
If big number stats stick = Timmy, why aren't Lord of Extinction and Body of Research there?
body of research is a sorcery
One is a non creature and their stats are varied
Should’ve added an X cost hydra. When I first started playing the idea of being able to make something as big as possible seemed so absolutely broken
Timmies do be loving Dinosaurs. Lmao
I think the way to score these is to hold them up and ask yourself who can beat who. If a Timmy is choosing between cards it is almost straight up: can this kill/be killed by the other card. Then if they're even: higher power or other abilities.
Bonus points for trample. "You mean i can still hit my opponents even if they block!?"
I’m sure somebody else has said this but unless you are using gpt 4, chat gpt won’t have all the most recent sets and therefore not the most recent cards. It was trained on data I think up until 2021. That might be why it keeps using the wrong card.
Verdant force was even the example they gave for Timmy way back in WoTc's original article :D
I’d maybe throw in Atraxa, Grand Unifier. A massive creature, with a bunch of abilities, a high and color-demanding mana-cost, and oh boy! I can draw like 9 cards with this! A lot of the best creatures for Reanimation are Timmy cards
A 21/5 legendary that deals damage as commander damage would be the next Timmyiest card ever.
Are we forgetting marit lage? While a token, 20 power is very impressive
Chat GPT getting every card wrong is so funny
Apparently Chat GPT hasn't been updated with new cards since 2022
The question is, if you were to build 'the most Timmy deck' who would be your commander. Would it be Ghalta since it is the most Timmy card, or would it be Progenitus so that you can play all the Timmy cards in all the colors?
Timmy doesn’t mean play bad creatures that happen to be big. It means play creatures or spells that have a huge impact. Eldrazis are the definition of Timmy as is the new Etali.
That was an amazing episode! Plz do something like that again!
I went against this woman at an lgs and she played progenitus as her commander. She had fist of suns on the board and refused to cast progentius with it. That is where I learned the highest tier of fist bump criteria... What a legend.
My timmy cards back in the day were Fusion Elemental and Kalonian Behemoth. Still have Kalonian Behemoth, it's foil and not warped.
I'm 2/3 in and Crim just doesn't get it. You can absolutely be a TimmySpike. The game needs a lot more TimmySpike these days!!
16:56 JUDGE! ChatGBT doesn't count here it said it brings four random cards into play, "when it enters the battlefield".
But cascade is a cast trigger! So we have to give the point to Impervious Greatwurm instead. ☺️
Some enormous creatures not included in the brackets:
Body of Research (likely at least an 80/80 for 6 mana)
Auratouched Mage->Colossification (a 23/23 for 6 mana that enters tapped)
Serra Avatar/Soul of Eternity (potentially a 40/40 for 7 mana)
Minion of the Wastes (a 39/39 trampler for 6 mana if you're willing to pay 39 life)
Malignus (a 20/20 for 5 mana while an opponent is still at 40 life)
As well as a variety of creatures that can become absolutely massive in a 4 player game (Lord of Extinction, Beast of Burden, Wilderness Elemental, Ignition Team, Custodi Soulbinders, Consuming Aberration)
Brisela is my Timmy tier 1. The big angel half as your commander solves the 2 card issue and it's so good when it melds.
To add to this. Blight steel is a serious card. Etali sees standard combo play and is super Timmy with random casts and then you get your big infect finisher. Plus it can be a commander. Very convinced half of you don't actually understand what a Timmy is.
This was a great video. I've never yelled at my monitor so much.
Tomer saying "Dinosaurs are B tier dragons" gets him thrown out the Timer club
Looking at EDHREC, Yargle and Multani's home is as sac fodder for Shadowheart (The Dark Justiciar), decks who want to double power to silly numbers (Mr Orfeo the Boulder and then maybe flinging creatures). That you care about this as its a build around for being thick and empowered to smash.
Whereas 10 is a lot of mana. Ask yourself would you rather cast The Ceaseless Hunger or Desolation Twin. As Yargle is discounted and basically the same power, I would choose a high synergy deck that lets me enjoy some power matters synergies with Yargle as fodder than an uncastable vanilla creature.
The real question is are all reanimator players timmys?
The actual most Timmy card is Yusri, Fortune's Flame. As was said a few times, Timmy doesn't care about what's best, but rather what's coolest. And ya know what's really cool? Winning 5 coin flips, drawing 5 cards, and then casting them for free!! Imagine what you could hit!!! You could cast so many lava axes!!!!
Can you guys do brackets for creature types? Like Demons or Eldrazi for instance?
It is hilarious to me that even though my playstyle does not match with Crim at all, his and my understanding of Timmy cards was practically the same the whole episode. Yargle is the true winner for me.
As a Timmy, despite the right conclusion, Crim and Richard are severely hampered in this discussion by not having a Timmy-like bone in their bodies. Seth and Tomer knew exactly what the objectively correct answers were.
Tomer raises a good point. It is very Timmy to slap down a double-sized card. Meld is very satisfying. The extra-large Commander cards are fun, too
Its a crime that gisath and zacama didnt make the list at all.
Everybody talking about "Timmer" but nobody talking about "Crimothy" who knows about the Dinosaur Code. Crim definitely had the choices that resonated most with my inner 5 year old and the others were clearly activating too many neurons
I mean on Gigantosaurus It is standing on a dragon so clearly Dinosaur is the king of Timmy types!
There's a serious failure of identifying the criterian when crearures that clearly are power crept are facing against their modern iterations.
We really needed Phil here.
"Fist bump" they said with a snarl. Lol fun show.
The amount of distain that Crim and Richard have for Timmy players is just... Etali is so Timmy because it's huge and random and (critically) requires absolutely no setup. The difference between Timmy and Spike is the amount of setup required
can't believe serra's emissary is not on the list. what an insane card.
The fact that Ur-Dragon didnt get to round 2 is a crime
The fact it was on the list to begin with was a crime.
On Blightsteel v Etali, I don't think ChatGPT has information from 2023 onward. There's a cutoff, though I'm not sure of the specific, which is why it probably went with Primal Storm.
Love the content guys
The screw-ups from ChatGPT in this bracket show why a human (i.e. Phil) is needed to break ties.
Hot Take: Yargle and Multani is a sleeper Johnny card.
Because of the low toughness, the best way to play it in Commander is to use a bunch of cards that let you take advantage of the high power without actually having to fight with it. Not exactly a Timmy playstyle.
Yeah, throw it into Greater Good.