great footage. I worked approach control at Nellis AFB from 2000-2004. I will admit I miss living on the base and the constant sound of departures in the morning...along with the car alarms going off!!
i find F-16 show is something i can't get boring of compare to other fighter jet. I think every angles of F-16 while flying and on the ground is amazingly cool!
Fantastic video w/ SPECTACULAR sound! Thank you for sharing this. *This video makes me glad I invested in a Klipsch sound system for my computer; crank it up & it's almost like being at the airshow.
Always under the impression that the F16's were the most nimble fighters for their time. To me, it all boils down to the pilot knowing his stuff better than his adversary. With drones and remotes the limits are being lifted...impressive machines none-the-less.
F-16 A2A kill ratio is 76:1 The F-16 proved to be one of the most capable multirole fighters ever produced, even though it was built strictly as a day lightweight fighter with no missile fire control radar, a gun and a few AAMs. Every industrialized Western Nation and even many Eastern fighter designs since the F-16 have been mostly superb multirole aircraft, like the Eurofighter, Rafale, JAS-39, Chengdu J-10 (early Lavi/EF tech), and JF-17.
David Harris - you do know that the F-15 is MUCH faster than the F-16? Actually the F-15 is one of the fastest fighters in the world that is active duty! The F-15 is all about power!
+Treetop64 The second Viper driver wasn't smiling as he passed the cameras at the beginning. Didn't even glance over !!! The guy, I think Capt Todd, seriously needs to lighten up !!!!
In close combat the Flanker probably would be better, since it was designed when the F 15 and F15 were already in service and were known qualities, in BVR, well the modern US upgrades has lots of power and captabilites. .
The F-15 is an amazing fighter. I was lucky enough to be there when it was first introduced to the Far East (Okinawa), in the late 70's. Far superior engines, avionics and weapon systems than anything else at the time and for years to come. The F-15 Eagle is undefeated in combat and what really made me take notice was how an Israeli fighter pilot flew this awesome jet home on one wing. Look it up on youtube. Amazing.
t:w is varies .. weight, altitude, speed. having t:w over one is nice but the acceleration in the vertical isn't constant as you would because of the variables listed
Roberson Lub think of it as a massive turbo with many rows of blades. Jet engines take a second to spool up from idle but they provide much more power than a piston engine and don't have the same issues at higher speed. The afterburner which is the flame is at max power where after the normal combustion for extra boost fuel is injected into the exhaust and ignited with igniters... it provides a big boost in power at the expense of endurance. the F-16C has around 29,000 lbs thrust from its single engine and the F-15C has around 24,000 lbs thrust from each engine (2) so about 48,000. the newer F-22 has like 24000 max military power (non after burning) from one engine and 39,000 lbs thrust in afterburner from one of its two engines for a total of 78,000 lbs thrust. all of the planes mentioned have a thrust to weight above one so in a vertical climb up they can gain speed.
Roberson Lub forgot to mention piston engines don't like going super high speeds and since they're generally single row propellor blades the power transfer isn't as efficient.
Roberson Lub F-22 combined has 78,000 lbs thrust lol from 2 engines. That's the best fighter in the world lol it's a stealth. You can buy old Russian mig fighters too, there's a museum maintained and flown two seat ex Hungarian Air Force mig-21 that is air worthy and has many spare parts 100 miles from me, 4k deposit as down payment 69,500 dollars total. Max speed 1400 mph thrust to weight near 1:1 and does 7-8.5 g's in a turn. not bad price for something 6x+ faster than a Bugatti
I remember in Balad living close to the air field. Those F-16's would take off for their sorties and boy would it be loud. by the time I was their all the F-15's were gone, I did however get to see a AC-130 gunship, and B-1 super sonice bomber land at the airfield.
The F-15 and F-16 are more or less obsolete planes maybe to be used in a back up roll, Not trying to insult the fantastic creation of the past but it is truly the past. I think the f-35 production was a mistake although the f-22 was made correctly and is an awesome plane but why not just make a pure bomber instead of multi role plane it is not ever going to really work at its highest potential unless it is perfected as a single role unit, bomber/fighter. There are no options for a succesful conversion such as this.
We're beyond multirole fighters now. Network-centric sensor shooters is how the 5th Gen pilots refer to them. F-15 and F-16 are still very valid aircraft, especially when linked with 5th Gen birds like Raptor and F-35. The 5th Gen make the 4th Gen much more lethal and survivable. F-15C with V3 AESA radar and Link 16 is a very capable bird, much different animal than 1980s or even 1990s F-15C. F-16V is also a very capable plane, Gen 4 + with AESA, CFTs, IRST, Link 16.
No teen-generation (F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18) has ever lost an air-to-air engagement. Not in any country's service. Not even Iranian F-14, despite lacking fundamental type-specific weapons, like the missiles. Not sure, but actually, I don't think the F-5E has ever lost either.
Correct me if im wrong, but doesn't the f-15 have only 9 mig-29 kills, most were against mig-21s, which first flew in 1955. Im not saying the f-15 is bad or anything, its great, i just think its kill ratio is a little misleading.
I wonder what the success ratio is for F-16s and F-15s going head to head assuming pilots of equal "skill" level. Both planes are extremely maneuverable, the F-16 may have a slight edge but it's a toss-up in that regard. Both are mach 2 capable and have excellent acceleration, neither can super-cruise(at least not the ones we have in active service) but both can accelerate to supersonic very quickly. Both can carry the same air to air weaponry, AMRAMMs for intermediate range and the Aim-9X for short range plus the 20mm cannon. So yeah I wonder which plane would "win". In an alternate universe I'd happily take either jet into combat but I prefer the F-16's design, the cockpit ergonomics and layout, etc. F-15 has more time to loiter though. Tough choice.
Nope. In a low altitude close in turning dogfight, yes then the F-16 would win. The F-15 would never get drawn into that kind of fight. The F-15 would keep the speeds high, the altitude high and the spacial distances longer and use it's superior power and climb rates to keep the F-16 pointed upwards and it would lose energy and get slow. And then that's the end.
My 2 favorite aircraft from when I was a kid. I saw an F-15 do a climb for time at Patrick AFB once...it felt like the shuttle was launching. These planes make me moist. lol
when that f15 comes on the screen instantly danger zone pops in my head and my adrenalin kicks and my heart starts thumping. when he goes vertical i almost feel like im right there in the damn plane. i wiiiish. im terrified of heights but i always wanted to fly in a fighter or fly one my damn self. when you have dreams you're in a dogfight with a mig you know its serious. its that serious id donate my damn kidney to fly in one. can anyone else relate. p.s if you cant already tell top guns my favorite movie ever.
+Connor Paller I second dcs. it takes a long time to learn. like to start you have to know Lshift l to turn on the power, Rctrl c to close the canopy, Ralt home to start left engine, Rctrl home to start right engine.... well that's enough to get off the ground but have fun focusing the radar scan parameters. it is fun to progress though.
T I mean it was expensive as hell, it being replaced was a viable option since it would reduce cost, the F-14 is a great aircraft but sadly it was too expensive for effectiveness
the F-16 does have one loss... unfortunately. serial # 91-0023. Turkish F-16 was shot down by a Greek Mirage. it was kept secret for many years to avoid causing the situation to degrade further.
freqimann Turkish airplane was never shot down by Greek Mirage or any other plane in the air.. It was dogfight with rookie pilot. Cut the bullshit unless you have a proof
Yavuz Zengin www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article619.html a simple search of the airframe number i provided would have been enough to verify this. "Cut the bullshit", unless you _like_ looking like an idiot.
freqimann You make a better search then or try to understand what you see. The article corrects my statement above. Read my statement and compare with the article..If you provide number as " KILL" make sure they have a fight both side. Otherwise its called " crash" or " accident" or whatever. The article you read: This situation was not real fight between Greek Mirage and Turkish F-16. It clearly explains what happened there.
honestly even american f-15/16s were shot down... over the years USA has even finally admitted to a couple in desert storm... were as more then a couple planes/pilots are "unaccounted for"... i see these numbers a lot. but honestly neither plane has seen true action and kills are inflated by USA attacking 3rd countries with 1960s migs/f4s etc quite frankly its a disgrace to a fallen pilot to cover up his death for propoganda. i get that its hard to confirm kills sometimes... but when a plane doesn't return............. its a loss
Anyone with an appreciation of that era of aircraft design should really read up on how the F-16 was conceived by the "Fighter Mafia" and acknowledge the great genius of the design behind the aircraft by these incredible individuals who bucked the "rules" at the time: www.codeonemagazine.com/article.html?item_id=37
F 15 multi role. Air to air/bomber. F 16 Air to air support for F 15 bombing destination. After destination, F 16 bugout. (Low fuel) F 15 Air to air (defense) gets back home.
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great footage. I worked approach control at Nellis AFB from 2000-2004. I will admit I miss living on the base and the constant sound of departures in the morning...along with the car alarms going off!!
2 of the most beautiful & capable fighters to this day. Soooo much time with the burners lit during the demo, would have loved to be there!
They have it every year in November. Aviation Nation. Been there 4 times now.
i find F-16 show is something i can't get boring of compare to other fighter jet. I think every angles of F-16 while flying and on the ground is amazingly cool!
F-16 Rsaf Lock on Malaysia MIG!! is MIG29 to counter F16😅
F-16 nampak bergaya ketika melawan
The two planes with the most outrageous combat kill ratios ever.
Awesome engine sounds! great video, thanks for the upload :D
One of the best sounding fighter jets I have ever heard!!!
the sky looks beautiful paired with the f15 afterburner
i feel like you would actually have to be there to truly appreciate this
Nice video! Thanks! Love the hot dog landings at the end.
Amazing aircraft! I always was partial to the F16. Eagle's amazing too.
Erin Taylor tu sei inglese
Me too the f16 is more of a fighter f15 is more focus on multi role stuff
Fantastic video w/ SPECTACULAR sound! Thank you for sharing this. *This video makes me glad I invested in a Klipsch sound system for my computer; crank it up & it's almost like being at the airshow.
Weapons System Air To air Missile Aim-7Sparrow Active Missile and Aim-120 Amramm..
excellent camera work👍
This makes me miss the El Toro Marine base air show when I was a kid.
great video for a 2012
That is amazing! Love the F-16 and F-15. Splash those Su-35s and MIGs in a heart beat.
José Agreda haha laugh all you want America is best in air superiority 😉
Elderig Valknut bring a life jacket Russian... you're going in the drink.
Why The Splash 1 MiG-29 kill Ratio In Combat..
Always under the impression that the F16's were the most nimble fighters for their time. To me, it all boils down to the pilot knowing his stuff better than his adversary. With drones and remotes the limits are being lifted...impressive machines none-the-less.
Both kick ass!
the bomber fighter milti roll plane will never win against a pure fighter.
F-16 A2A kill ratio is 76:1
The F-16 proved to be one of the most capable multirole fighters ever produced, even though it was built strictly as a day lightweight fighter with no missile fire control radar, a gun and a few AAMs. Every industrialized Western Nation and even many Eastern fighter designs since the F-16 have been mostly superb multirole aircraft, like the Eurofighter, Rafale, JAS-39, Chengdu J-10 (early Lavi/EF tech), and JF-17.
Those things sure can still turn tight with those huge tanks hangin' on them.
That F-16 at 4:15 was pulling some crazy G's! wow...
my guess is more than 7 maybe 8
Best jet sounds in a vid ever.
The F-15 just screams "I'm a bad ass!"
And Viper says... Catch me if you can...
David Harris - you do know that the F-15 is MUCH faster than the F-16? Actually the F-15 is one of the fastest fighters in the world that is active duty! The F-15 is all about power!
Let's just say that they're both great fighters! Plus the f-16 imo is the better dog fighter!
@@mississippirebel1409 operation Desert Strom 1991 F-15 not loses in Air To air combat Missions...
@@ammarmuslim9918 lol no one has ever lost an f-15 and that’s a fact
Beautiful pilot😍
both very good fighter jets!
Extreamly good camera work. Rare to find content of this calibre.
F-16 pahlawan Falcon.. yang Tangguh seluruh Dunia Rekod Yang Amat baik sekali...
Those F-15's look awesome taking off. You can just hear the incredible power coming from those Pratt & Whitney F100's.
F-15 Shot down Chinese J-20 can Fight sorry i can see the American Technology is powerfull
You always see Viper drivers smiling. They smile all the damn time!
+Treetop64 The second Viper driver wasn't smiling as he passed the cameras at the beginning. Didn't even glance over !!! The guy, I think Capt Todd, seriously needs to lighten up !!!!
+James Marshall
Maj does not mean Capt
Oh go get a life !!!! Some people have way too much time on their hands. Good grief.
James Marshall
lolwut? That's common knowledge to those with even a casual interest in things military.
Another troll with too much time on his hands. Time to leave your Moms basement and go out and get a job.
Thanks! Great Video. I love both the F15,and F16. They are both great airplanes.Mmmmmmmm
138 aircraft have been shot down in air combat by F-15's. not one F-15 has ever been shot down by enemy aircraft.
It is the undisputed heavyweight champion of the dogfighting world!!!
@Bobby Brady Not So!
@Bobby Brady That isn't what I read.
@Bobby Brady Your Channel has no content. Mine does.
@Bobby Brady Nope. Military Aviation Is.
4:57 Great sound produced by f-16 still the best fighter aircraft in the world i wish those planes may remain operational for next twenty years
Shining Wizard your wish has been granted. Operational hours have been upped and the F-16 will bee around till 2040.
Very nice high Alpha landings
These fighter jets sound wicked
Most, but not all. For the F-15 and -16, both wonderful birds, an encounter with a late generation Flanker like the 35 would be an uphill battle.
In close combat the Flanker probably would be better, since it was designed when the F 15 and F15 were already in service and were known qualities, in BVR, well the modern US upgrades has lots of power and captabilites. .
hmm alright. thanks for the notice. i like aviation talk. its great to know not just the modern aircraft but also past aircraft as well.
What the Fuck...☝️🤦🤣
Anyone else think that's it's so awesome to see them drop flares in air.
Even more cool when they drop them on the ground in dead grass.
Superior fighter weapon systems of the 1970s as they were called. The fighting falcon, strike eagle and the Navy's tomcat.
Can't forget about the Tomcat!
The F-15 is an amazing fighter. I was lucky enough to be there when it was first introduced to the Far East (Okinawa), in the late 70's. Far superior engines, avionics and weapon systems than anything else at the time and for years to come. The F-15 Eagle is undefeated in combat and what really made me take notice was how an Israeli fighter pilot flew this awesome jet home on one wing. Look it up on youtube. Amazing.
amazing vid
It is like a Ace Combat.
Thank-you.
No ace combat is like this, ac is just a game.
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I'm sorry.
Because it was too cool.
Thank you for pointing out ☺️
Awesome!
t:w is varies .. weight, altitude, speed. having t:w over one is nice but the acceleration in the vertical isn't constant as you would because of the variables listed
This was air show demo, not air-to-air. Click bait, you got me.
5:20 McDonnell Douglas F-15 shitting excellence since the 70's!!
The fighter mafia created the very best light weight fighter ever in the f16 hands down.
Freaking Awsome video thanks so much for posting! But really tuff to pick a winner between those two.I would go with the F-15.
Cool! Thanks!
impressive
damn i didnt know the nellis airshow had a demo like this, that's badass. ill have to go to a show there one year...
dam i loving these jets lool XD but the lag u get from the engine is huge till that engine kicks in
Roberson Lub think of it as a massive turbo with many rows of blades. Jet engines take a second to spool up from idle but they provide much more power than a piston engine and don't have the same issues at higher speed. The afterburner which is the flame is at max power where after the normal combustion for extra boost fuel is injected into the exhaust and ignited with igniters... it provides a big boost in power at the expense of endurance. the F-16C has around 29,000 lbs thrust from its single engine and the F-15C has around 24,000 lbs thrust from each engine (2) so about 48,000. the newer F-22 has like 24000 max military power (non after burning) from one engine and 39,000 lbs thrust in afterburner from one of its two engines for a total of 78,000 lbs thrust. all of the planes mentioned have a thrust to weight above one so in a vertical climb up they can gain speed.
Roberson Lub forgot to mention piston engines don't like going super high speeds and since they're generally single row propellor blades the power transfer isn't as efficient.
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dam 29000lbs of thrust im in love :D lol would love to feel that some day just get jerked back into the seat
Roberson Lub F-22 combined has 78,000 lbs thrust lol from 2 engines. That's the best fighter in the world lol it's a stealth. You can buy old Russian mig fighters too, there's a museum maintained and flown two seat ex Hungarian Air Force mig-21 that is air worthy and has many spare parts 100 miles from me, 4k deposit as down payment 69,500 dollars total. Max speed 1400 mph thrust to weight near 1:1 and does 7-8.5 g's in a turn. not bad price for something 6x+ faster than a Bugatti
I remember in Balad living close to the air field. Those F-16's would take off for their sorties and boy would it be loud. by the time I was their all the F-15's were gone, I did however get to see a AC-130 gunship, and B-1 super sonice bomber land at the airfield.
Very Cool!
F-16 falcon powerfull🔥👻
凄いデモフライトですね👍 日本では目に出来ない迫力を目の当たりにしたいものです❗
F-16 Nampak berkuasa😊
Great!!!!! !
I bet the extra fuel helped the f15s a bit. Those jets burn it up fast in power turns with them afterburners humming.
Put on your headphone and enjoy the screaming sound.......woooooooowwwww
This is incredibly awesome! Was this at Nellis?
Funny the f16s are clean, no tanks and yet the f15 with tanks is still a very good opponent for it.
so there was top gun for f14, Iron eagle for f16, the intruder for the a6, even Memphis belle for the b17 what about an f15 movie?
Pretty good vid - a bit under viewed I'd say.
agree mate
The F-15 and F-16 are more or less obsolete planes maybe to be used in a back up roll, Not trying to insult the fantastic creation of the past but it is truly the past. I think the f-35 production was a mistake although the f-22 was made correctly and is an awesome plane but why not just make a pure bomber instead of multi role plane it is not ever going to really work at its highest potential unless it is perfected as a single role unit, bomber/fighter. There are no options for a succesful conversion such as this.
We're beyond multirole fighters now. Network-centric sensor shooters is how the 5th Gen pilots refer to them. F-15 and F-16 are still very valid aircraft, especially when linked with 5th Gen birds like Raptor and F-35. The 5th Gen make the 4th Gen much more lethal and survivable. F-15C with V3 AESA radar and Link 16 is a very capable bird, much different animal than 1980s or even 1990s F-15C. F-16V is also a very capable plane, Gen 4 + with AESA, CFTs, IRST, Link 16.
nice
Sooooo, where was the air to air demo?
Yup same here! Whats not to like?
fajny filmik, halas odzwierciedla co tam sie dzialo. pozdro dla pilotow i wstawiajacego :D
Nice High Alpha
How much fun would an afterburner launch off a carrier would be.
No teen-generation (F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18) has ever lost an air-to-air engagement. Not in any country's service. Not even Iranian F-14, despite lacking fundamental type-specific weapons, like the missiles.
Not sure, but actually, I don't think the F-5E has ever lost either.
The F 14 retired undefeated, the F 15 so far in undefeated in air to air.. the F 16 has 3 loses air to air, and the F 18 one.
So which one's better in a direct fight?
My favorite F 16
A lot more enjoyable than those grandpa fart formation displays.
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Type in: Real Dogfight Between F-15 AND SU-27. The Joint Forces Channel
Published on Jun 26, 2015. enjoy
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5:14 , 5:25 Lotsa flares there 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
they should have took the tanks off the 15 if its gonna 1v1 fight.
Correct me if im wrong, but doesn't the f-15 have only 9 mig-29 kills, most were against mig-21s, which first flew in 1955. Im not saying the f-15 is bad or anything, its great, i just think its kill ratio is a little misleading.
F-15 is a beauty
+Don K and a beast
@@adriann4068 yes
Indeed the f15 is a beast on steroids! Never been shot down in a dogfight since operation desert storm!!
The F-16 is the sweetest slickest little fighter ever but the F-15 Eagle is the BOSS! It just screams Murica!
I agree idk y they have the fuel tanks on they aren't really going that far and they don't dog fight with them on
Awsome as shit, I swear watching jets like this is like having sex, you just can't get enough of it, I could watch jets all day long!!
I would love to see su-27 vs f-15 in real air combat 😁.
Does anyone know why there were sirens blaring on Wail/Alert? (I'm assuming it was like an Air Raid signal, or something?)
LuciaElix Just an effect for the air show
John doe OK, I wasn't sure if it was from the speakers or not. Thanks!
In 2:48 did you heard the air raid sirens.
I wonder what the success ratio is for F-16s and F-15s going head to head assuming pilots of equal "skill" level. Both planes are extremely maneuverable, the F-16 may have a slight edge but it's a toss-up in that regard. Both are mach 2 capable and have excellent acceleration, neither can super-cruise(at least not the ones we have in active service) but both can accelerate to supersonic very quickly.
Both can carry the same air to air weaponry, AMRAMMs for intermediate range and the Aim-9X for short range plus the 20mm cannon. So yeah I wonder which plane would "win". In an alternate universe I'd happily take either jet into combat but I prefer the F-16's design, the cockpit ergonomics and layout, etc. F-15 has more time to loiter though. Tough choice.
I've always been told the F-15 is usually better at higher altitudes. Down low the F-16 is at home.
Although these are the two best fighters IMO Dollar for Dollar the F-16 I believe wins in air to air combat.
Not enough firepower
Nope. In a low altitude close in turning dogfight, yes then the F-16 would win. The F-15 would never get drawn into that kind of fight. The F-15 would keep the speeds high, the altitude high and the spacial distances longer and use it's superior power and climb rates to keep the F-16 pointed upwards and it would lose energy and get slow. And then that's the end.
My 2 favorite aircraft from when I was a kid. I saw an F-15 do a climb for time at Patrick AFB once...it felt like the shuttle was launching. These planes make me moist. lol
Should I apply ice to the burn? lol
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I play this through my PlayStation with my turtle beach had phones. WOW!! Freedoms thunder
I would think the F-15 would be better at beyond visual range but the F-16 is probably better at the close in dog fight.
Flat out straight line ballistic speed F-15,turns and manueverabilty F-16
yes
i love how the american jets sound soo dang cool! the russian jets dont really sound that good tbh
American jets talk and some times shout. Russian jets whisper quietly--its part of the ballet performance. Swan Lake and all that stuff.
when that f15 comes on the screen instantly danger zone pops in my head and my adrenalin kicks and my heart starts thumping. when he goes vertical i almost feel like im right there in the damn plane. i wiiiish. im terrified of heights but i always wanted to fly in a fighter or fly one my damn self. when you have dreams you're in a dogfight with a mig you know its serious. its that serious id donate my damn kidney to fly in one. can anyone else relate. p.s if you cant already tell top guns my favorite movie ever.
Play DCS or bms. Obviously your sitting at a damn computer playing a game but it can be pretty fun still.
+Connor Paller. try strike fighter on your phone. thanks bud lets go hunt some migs
+Connor Paller I second dcs. it takes a long time to learn. like to start you have to know Lshift l to turn on the power, Rctrl c to close the canopy, Ralt home to start left engine, Rctrl home to start right engine.... well that's enough to get off the ground but have fun focusing the radar scan parameters.
it is fun to progress though.
TopGun uses F-14's...F-5 and A-4 Aggressors. No F-15's in that 🎥
+T. Parrish. notice i said f15 not f14. and the eagle is just an upgraded version of the tomcat.
i miss the f14
T I mean it was expensive as hell, it being replaced was a viable option since it would reduce cost, the F-14 is a great aircraft but sadly it was too expensive for effectiveness
Two awesome dogfighting American fighter jets. Love the Viper tho.
3:40 *resolution* goes really badly right here.... anyone else notice?
I wish I flew the F-16.
Saya Cita2 tinggi seperti kendalikan Kapal F-16 ini seperti raja Di angkasa...
F-15 has around 108 kills and zero loss. F-16 about 98 kills and zero losses.
the F-16 does have one loss... unfortunately.
serial # 91-0023. Turkish F-16 was shot down by a Greek Mirage. it was kept secret for many years to avoid causing the situation to degrade further.
freqimann
Turkish airplane was never shot down by Greek Mirage or any other plane in the air.. It was dogfight with rookie pilot. Cut the bullshit unless you have a proof
Yavuz Zengin www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article619.html
a simple search of the airframe number i provided would have been enough to verify this. "Cut the bullshit", unless you _like_ looking like an idiot.
freqimann
You make a better search then or try to understand what you see. The article corrects my statement above. Read my statement and compare with the article..If you provide number as " KILL" make sure they have a fight both side. Otherwise its called " crash" or " accident" or whatever. The article you read: This situation was not real fight between Greek Mirage and Turkish F-16. It clearly explains what happened there.
honestly even american f-15/16s were shot down... over the years USA has even finally admitted to a couple in desert storm... were as more then a couple planes/pilots are "unaccounted for"... i see these numbers a lot. but honestly neither plane has seen true action and kills are inflated by USA attacking 3rd countries with 1960s migs/f4s etc
quite frankly its a disgrace to a fallen pilot to cover up his death for propoganda. i get that its hard to confirm kills sometimes... but when a plane doesn't return............. its a loss
Anyone with an appreciation of that era of aircraft design should really read up on how the F-16 was conceived by the "Fighter Mafia" and acknowledge the great genius of the design behind the aircraft by these incredible individuals who bucked the "rules" at the time: www.codeonemagazine.com/article.html?item_id=37
F-15 - Avionics. F-16 - Maneuverability
Eagle = 105.5 to 0 kill AA ratio.
nuff said
F 15 multi role. Air to air/bomber.
F 16 Air to air support for F 15 bombing destination.
After destination, F 16 bugout.
(Low fuel)
F 15 Air to air (defense) gets back home.