Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl 2 Bugs Me
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
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00:00 Intro
01:32 The First Game
04:49 Free DLC
07:17 Paid DLC
10:21 The New Game
12:19 Leaks
14:51 The Big Problem
19:11 Outro
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Y'all dont realize how sick a chalk zone rep would be
Thay is my most wanted before catdog.
So real, I have been waiting for the appearance of snap or rudy since the first game :']
It would be like a Game & Watch rep. Sure, why not.
Chalk zone would be like Steve that would take alot of coding
The devs for NASB are the same as a great Indie fighter called Slap City and have been pretty open about issues the game had with Nickelodeon during the first game. Apparently it was Nick's fault there were no alt costumes in the first game and the roster was so limited, so I imagine Nick is holding things back as far as characters in the game. They also mentioned the lack of single player modes in the first game as due to budget issues.
its nicks fault, what else is new
Sounds more like GameMill was tarnishing NASB more than Nickelodeon themselves
Your hatred for Garfield is completely unjustified.
Not to mention blatantly biased
I dunno, lots of people hate Garfield nowadays.
@@numbuh1507 why is that Garfield haven't have anything new for awhile ?
Idk pretty sure he explained his reasoning in the video I actually watched it
I think Garfield is okay but really, i don't wanna play as him.
Nick's lack of co-operation with this series seems pretty apparent to me, did you know that originally nick only wanted characters from the same show to be able to fight eachother? Yeah.
Nick has always been the type to deem failures too soon and then barely acknowledge shows after theyre gone. (Unless they become an insane cult classic like zim) I really really do think none of the 2000s exclusions are the devs fault and its just nick being nick. Jenny and El Tigre being in, to me, shows the devs really do care about repping the 2000s, and are fighting tooth and nail to even get the tiniest scraps of it.
Honestly i cant really get mad at this game knowing these devs are trying their best despite all odds, its an underdog story to me.
Fairly OddParents is my favorite nick show but ive made peace that nick is gonna be too nick to negotiate with nelvana on the devs behalf. Im just happy with what is here.
Also i like garfield
Ye I personally find nasb 1 more enjoyable than every platform fighter besides PlayStation all stars!
Yeah i feel like there's so many 90s reps because that's what the devs have access to lmao.i can imagine how much hell it was to even get Danny Phantom or even Avatar reps in.
Sounds more like GameMill was tarnishing NASB more than Nickelodeon themselves
I don’t really understand the hatred for Garfield, All Star brawl doesn’t have to limit itself to just nick shows, it can use licensed characters, just like how smash bros is more than just Nintendo characters
As for how Garfield isn’t absurd like the other reps -
1. Garfield in the animated show is as absurd as it gets, dude literally eats food in a microseconds, has toon logic (gets flattened by objects, changes face to mimic other people, etc)
2. this is the same game that has Lincoln Loud and Lucy Loud - Characters who focus is tackling life problems day to day, I don’t think it’s necessary for the game to have shows that follow a certain quota because then it limits itself
3 - As for how fighting doesn’t match his character - same thing as smash bros, why would peaceful characters like Wii Fit Trainer, Isabella, Villager fight people?? There’s no logic to hold someone behind - it’s a cartoon fighting game, it’s an all out brawl man lol
4 - Lastly, as for how garfield isn’t recognized as a nick character, fair enough, but again comparing to smash bros since they are similar, who asked for ice climbers when they first appeared?? Rob?? Game and Watch?? Technically Nintendo character but they haven’t seen the light of day since but all that really matters is if the game is having fun with what it has to offer
Huge agree with this. Personally I don't really get a lot of the arguments in the video, it seems kind of biased for newer shows personally, but I can understand wanting some of your favourite shows to get in.
Yeah that complaint was just dumb. Lots of Garfield media depicts him with a similar amount of toon logic.
Garfield can think people out of existence, kick people so hard it takes them weeks to land, run at mach speeds, and sink entire continents by standing on them
Honestly, it just seems like biased hatred on the video creator's part
Garfield was only added cuz the devs are biased towards him
I honestly really wish Otis would appear, he appeared in the earliest Nick fighting games.
Nickelodeon sold some characters Ottis they don't have anymore,Dora and patrol they don't have anymore,kailand they don't have anymore and glitch tech they don't have any more. They don't have bluesclues anymore,big nate they don't have any more,Bubble guppies they don't have any more and they are thinking of selling the rugrats because the parents think the rugrats stick out because there is no other character his age.
@@bringtolife2586 Who cares it's a game why is a character like tommy being forgotten because there is no babies fighting too, people are so stupid now damn.😠
@@user-zt2bh2tu6y it's probably a bot
Tommy Pickles isn't added because of the dumb rule "No beating up babies" but instead got made into a winning animation
14:43 apparently one of the devs really likes Tak so he may have a larger chance at getting in than other 2000s picks. Although I would personally really like to see some more 2010 reps, like Harvey Beaks or even Sanjay and Craig.
He's only partly owned by Nick thought I'm pretty sure so they might have to ask Avalanche or THQ for permission
Harvey Beaks would be nice
There's also the fact that Tak was a big series towards the latter Nicktoons crossover games so there's that
Harvey Beaks was underrated
@@Brewart2012 THQs been dead for years, and I think nick scooped up their rights when they died, unless nordic has them now
If they get Timmy, he’s definitely gonna be DLC
Same with Otis, Robot Default and Monster Krumholtz, though I wasn't sure if Robot and Monster would have a likely chance to appear, I mean I get those guys were owned by Nickelodeon but seeing those two join the roster as playable characters would be quite an unexpected surprise
But Garfield’s so funny 😢
I love Garfield but even I know that he shouldn’t be in the game, this is Nickelodeon all star brawl not paramount all star brawl lol
Agreen
Same with Hugh 😂
@@mojjosstash7389 That is fucking stupid. Gatekeeping great well fitting characters for the elitist mindset of "nICKTOONS ONLY" is insufferable.
That’s not funny
Apparently Jimmy Neutron had similar legal issues to FOP, that’s why Jimmy didn’t show up in crossover games until very recently. Nick could totally do the same for Timmy, they just don’t want to. At least in terms of console games, they’re weirdly able to bring Timmy back for mobile games. I’m guessing it’s a legal loophole or something
Pretty sure Timmy will 100% be dlc, he's a character that everyone would buy so it would make the most sense
From my understanding they can use Timmy in mobile games because he's only got weird copyright nonsense in every country other than the US, which the mobile games don't release for
I figured it would also be a little embarrassing to ask for Timmy back so soon after all the legal fees and effort.
@@mcspiffy5843 embarrassing? Brother you're talking about a multi billion dollar company
That’s BS, as they’ve been in Nick games in the past.
I agree that they neglected 2000's characters alot in the first game. I think Aang is the contender for worst represented character in NASB 1. Like, he's the last airbender, and he's got... 1 airbending move, and it doesn't even blow or push people away. He was also lacking in the other elements, and mostly just swung his stick around with no bending. Korra also lacked proper bending, and with both Aang and Korra being Avatars for christ's sake, it's just so disappointing.
My make or break for getting NASB 2 will be if Aang and Korra are properly represented this time, and I _do_ have _some_ hope after seeing their brief appearances in the reveal trailer for the game.
Yeah I agree, the Avatar representation really disappointed me last game, especially with the lack of a fire bender, this game seems to really be approving it though
Nah bro neglected 2010's😭
They neglected the 2010s era Nicktoons more. Hell, this don’t even have characters like Carly Shay, or Kenan & Kel. I mean the game’s called “Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl”, but the game has more Nicktoons characters, so I don’t know why it’s called “Nicktoons All-Star Brawl.”
new ang looking good though...
Look up TkBreezy streaming the game. He played korra for a bit and she looks just as good as Aang does in the new game
As someone who grew up in the 2010s, I'm very disappointed
You don't disrespect my boy Garfield like that
Ehhh I don’t mind Garfield cause I like him
I don’t know the Rugrats are kind of pretty normal. If you ask me it just follows the life of some babies and it’s just kind of pretty boring if you think about it but the movie amazing both of them they had some amazing ideas though it was a staple of our childhood, but all I’m saying, it’s just kinda pretty boring. There are a lot of cartoons like Garfield that have slower pace, humor and all that stuff if you ask me so I don’t mind Garfield as well.
@@user-bu9ft3gn5orugrats is okay, I’d argue it’s only funny when the grownups are on screen
I disagree with a lot here.
The 2000s shows don't get repped as much because Nick doesn't care about them, it was only UNTIL NASB that shows like MLAATR and Jimmy Neutron finally started getting recognized by Nick that these properties are worth sinking money into, and I feel that's something that should be appreciated. Many shows from the 2000s are forgotten at this point by Nick, and if we want them in, simply just campaign for them.
Hugh Neutron was added because of the fanbase, even the voice actor stated he wanted Hugh in, and do we really want to be mad at an inclusion that made him happy? Sure, him over Jimmy is weird, but the fanbase and voice actor genuinely wanted him and advocated hard for him, it isn't just memes.
Garfield isn't absurd? You know he isn't exclusive to comics right? Garfield and Friends is extremely absurd, it would fit right at home on Nick if they ever aired it. Garfield is also a big moneymaker so of course they'd flaunt him. Not to mention there's a dev on the game who's made it very clear he's a huge Garfield fan, so I would NOT want to cut him.
Gender diversity is great, but how cool a pick is is usually more important to me. Not that I'd mind more females than males or just a balanced mix of gender but it's not really something I care about. If the fighter works, I'm hyped.
Simply getting the rights to FOP isn't as easy as you may think. I'm sure there's way more to it. I also feel you were way too aggressive about Garfield especially, all those f bombs lol
Not to say your video ISN'T valid in your criticisms and I get where you were coming from, but some points I feel should've been looked at through other views, especially the 2000s representation. Just show more support for these shows. Miko and Otis ranked pretty high on a most wanted poll, and NASB1's DLC were entirely big most wanteds. So all you have to do to show Nick those shows are worth sinking money into is to keep advocating for them to get in. Devs always say to let your voice be heard by Nick.
Thank you! My thoughts exactly
"Simply getting the rights to FOP isn't as easy as you may think. I'm sure there's way more to it" Weren't people saying the exact same thing about Jenny last game for a while, and didn't the developers in the last game THEMSELVES say that rights issues weren't a problem for this series?
@@markthomaskiec2453jenny has no rights issues
@kao7143 back in the day of the last one, people were concerned she was in a similar rights issue as Jenny, which is why Ludosity up and said that it wasn't an issue for Jenny and Timmy specifically
Seriously though I'd kill for Nora Wakemen, Vexus or any of her sisters to be playable
I actually thought from the TN this would be clickbait, but instead I get a genuinely well made video with valid reasonings, good stuff, *I imagine they add Timmy’s dad over actual Timmy*
They been adding villains, so imagine if they added Vicky...
They left Arnold out because he's a pacifist but put in Rocko? Arnold and Rocko basically fill the same role. The mild mannered, voice of reason everyman in a wild, unforgiving, self-serving world. Arnold is just as likely to physically fight someone as Rocko and they both have an episode where they're actually good at it but decide it just isn't them in the end.
I agree, HOWEVER Rocko show his craziness like the people from his city at times.
I don't agree with this video one bit.
All the characters that are in the first and 2nd game are deserved to be in here. And yes that includes Garfield and Hugh who you were WAY too harsh on.
The fact that you gave TMNT a pass but not Garfield is total BS.
Not really tbh, Characters like Shredder and April really don’t deserve to be in a game dedicated to Nick’s most iconic characters, plus in the end we got 4 turtles reps and somehow it wasn’t the 4 turtles, just a really weird decision, especially since they aren’t even using their Nickelodeon designs
Garfield is a fun character and I agree that this guy not thinking he has toon force is dead wrong, but besides that I agree. He doesn’t deserve to be here and isn’t a nick character, he’s owned by Viacom sure but this isn’t a paramount crossover lol, he hasn’t had shows, movies, and etc under Nick like TMNT
@@mojjosstash7389It's weird yes, but I disagree with you on April and Shredder.
I feel both characters are deserving of the roster as much as the turtles are. April because it's another female rep and her gameplay is fun as well. And Shredder is not only a TMNT character but a villain also which is what the roster for the first game lacked at launch.
Sorry, but I fell they do deserve to be in this game as much as the other turtles are.
@@mojjosstash7389Same goes for Garfield. Nickelodeon owns the chararacter just liek TMNT. He's a Nickelodeon property whether people like it or not.
He deserves to be in this game as well as Kart Racers 3 where he and Odie are playable characters.
I'm standing by this. Both franchises are a part of NIckelodoen now.
Imagine if Disney made a platform fighter and added not just Disney characters but the Avengers and Darth Vader and Bart Simpson as well.
And before you say, "That it's a different scenario" no it isn't. Disney owns those properties just like how Nickelodeon owns TMNT and Garfield. They have everty right to put thise charactgers in the game. Regardless of whatt others say.
@knarrow0222 wait! Disney owns Simpsons now wth😂
@@shatteredsentient5321 Yeah. Disney owns The Simpsons when they bought Fox. How did you not know this?
Honestly, I think Tak as he appeared in the Power of Juju videogames would be a fantastic choice for a new fighter! It's a shame the terrible show adaptation of the series really tainted the franchise and killed any momentum the fanbase had going
I can understand the reasoning to be mad with Garfield’s inclusion, and I respect it. Here’s my two cents on the matter:
Garfield is essentially a guest character on the roster. He’s able to get in because he’s now owned by Nickelodeon and Viacom, but since he hasn’t been owned for long, it makes him more sense to call him a guest fighter.
Personally I love that he’s here, it’s the first time him and SpongeBob have ever been on the same screen together, that’s pretty historical stuff right there. Also, old Garfield cartoons did actually appear on Nickelodeon so he does have a little history with the network.
Is he a Nicktoon? Absolutely not. But is he a good choice? Definitely. Garfield being in the same game as these characters can help give this game even more promotion. Just like the guest characters in Smash, I wouldn’t be surprised if people buy the game for the fact that Garfield is in it. That’s why they slap him on the cover.
And when that animated movie with Chris Pratt comes out, you know his popularity will soar even more with the company
Fairly Oddparents getting shafted though is rough bro 😭😭🤦♂️
Love him or hate him, Garfield is an iconic character at the end of the day. He definitely deserves a spot for that. Smash is a celebration of video games, even getting characters owned by their rivals, such as Banjo.
NASB could one day grow to be a celebration of animation in the same way. You know, DBZ had runs on Nick in some places? What if one day the series gets big enough that they get the budget to outsource and add Goku as a guest character? And unlike in Smash, Goku would actually make sense here because of that history and the fact that he's more known for the anime and manga than he is for the handful of DB games.
We might even see them get the budget to get around the licensing garbage that's keeping them from being able to use FOP characters.
Smash had two fully fledged games hat actually showcased their characters before they introduced a guest character. I don’t really mind the inclusion, but it’s a stretch to say Garfield BELONGS or DESERVES a spot here
@@igetboredproductionsOne day, but not today. It’s a nicktoons fighting game and we got Garfield who is barely even a nicktoon over characters who deserve it.
@@michaelthatoker7125 Smash also only started with 8 characters and wasn't super fleshed out. ASB2 feels like it really is going to be the Melee of the series. Apparently the story mode is going to be a sort of rogue like platformer like Adventure mode, and we might actually get no cuts, which will put us at like 30 characters.
It seems like items and costumes will be in the game right off the bat, and now we've got the slime mechanic which is really going to mix things up with the fighting.
Nobody seems to remember the Angry Beavers much anymore. But I can tell you some people do and are very, very happy to see them coming in. I have a friend who was really hoping to see them.
And more Avatar reps? More Danny Phantom. I'm very excited about that.
@@igetboredproductions I love Goku, but i don't think he fits a Nick game, i don't he mash that well with the Nick cast, i think Multiversus would be better for Goku, if he HAVE to be in a plataform fighter. (considering shonem jump might not try to make their own)
As a 2000’s kid, I do not only mind 90’s Nick reps, but also I favor it.
Nickelodeon has never been bigger than in the 90’s and the 90’s Nicktoons are the definition of Nicktoons, so if we had gotten a Back at the Barnyard, Mighty B, Catscratch, and FOP reps the All-Star feel wouldn’t be there without all the 90’s cartoons. I hope Rocket Power comes in the DLC.
I totally agree with this, I do not want a single 90s rep to be cut, they all totally deserve to be here, just wish the other eras got that same love.
Imagine if you managed to guess all 4 dlc here xd. I do want Otis and the cats in and yes Timmy needs to join.
Don't try to downplay their 2000s shows, especially when the 2000s era has bigger hits than a lot of the 90s cartoons, especially the likes of Real Monsters, Angry Beavers and Catdog, with Catdog being hated by the viewers and the people who worked on the show. Not all of the 90s are as big as you try to make them out to be, and especially not all star status.
What are the biggest Nicktoons of the 90s? Ren & Stimpy, Rugrats, Rocko's Modern Life, Hey Arnold and that's pretty much it.
The 2000s has Jimmy Neutron, Danny Phantom, Invader Zim, Avatar and Fairly OddParents. Those five shows have been much bigger hits than the big four of the 90s, especially Fairly OddParents. Also don't give me the Nelvana excuse because Danny Phantom and My Life as a Teenage Robot has the exact same Nelvana rights as FOP.
This is not counting SpongeBob of coarse, a show that is more of an in between. Although SpongeBob did blow up big time during the 2000s.
Everything else from the 90s and 2000s are on the same level, with the 2000s have much more cartoons. Although i might as well add that there are more 2000s cartoons with more dedicated fanbases than there are for the 90s cartoons.
Now i'm not saying all the 90s shows that aren't those four i mentioned are bad, disliked or unpopular, i'm just saying that the 2000s have more big hits and that not every 90s cartoon is as big as you're making them out to be.
Although i am saying that Catdog is bad and hated. Like i said, even the people working on the show hated it.
@@numnuts241 Sadly think the reason there's a lack of 2000's shows is because so many people believe that Nick shows have gotten worse. No one members Chalk Zone?? No one likes Fan boy and Chum Chum.
@@orangeslash1667 There are still hidden gems not to mention characters that can be used from 2000s shows already in the game. Also Fanboy & ChumChum actually score high in some request polls.
All in all every reason that has been given to me just has a core of 90s bias from both the devs and the fanbase.
not the garfield slander. how can anyone hate him. disliking, leave him ALONE
He’s not a nick all star lol
@@mojjosstash7389 but it's garfield
@@wallowlight but it’s not a character you associate with nick
@@mojjosstash7389too bad, Nick owns him, so they can add him.
Same thing with Game and Watch and R.O.B in smash.
NOBODY remembered them until they were put in.
Snap from Chalk Zone
Timmy from The Fairly Oddparents
Miko from Glitch Techs
Otis from Back at the Barnyard
Those are my top choices for the 4 DLC characters.
Anyone think Rango & Rattlesnake Jake should join?
...okay actually i'd be kinda down for that
@@TheCartoonBaffoon same thing!
Rattlesnake Jake maybe is asking for too much, although that would be SICK. but Rango should definetly be in. i see Rango, Otis and Garfield as Paramount reps rather than Nick reps, because they were both owned by Paramount or originated by them, but i think that's fine because, Paramount and Nick are very close to each other. i feel like they deserve that representation. and tbf Rango and Barnyard are the only GOOD original Paramount animated IP.
Rango is top 25 most wanted dlc. If he doesn't get in, I'll be mad
So who's going to tell him that Grandma was a request by Nickelodeon
Great vid, I’d like to see a mock up of the roster you’d like to see. Not sure if it should include cuts to what we have or if it should just add to the existing roster. But I agree, there should be at least 4 Fairly Odd Parents characters in this game, and the fact the number is 0 is wild.
Honestly, in a perfect world, I wouldn’t cut anyone. Despite my complaining, I’m happy all these 90s characters are in. In the cases of Hugh and Garfield, I’d be a lot more fine with their inclusions if the roster didn’t fall short in other areas, so they could totally stay in theory.
The imbalance in era representation is something that's frustrated me about the GameMill Nickelodeon crossover games for years and it's so refreshing to see someone else share the sentiment! There are so many good Nicktoon characters from the late 2000s onwards that absolutely deserve to be in these games!
Thank you, finally! Someone who has the same beef towards GameMill as I do. This game should’ve been made by THQNordic.
The thing about FOP is that the show was aired on Disney XD on other regions. Maybe that's why FOP didn't show up in recent Nick games despite that Timmy appeared in a Nick tennis game recently. Still, I'm hoping for Timmy to show up in this game as DLC.
here is my reasoning for Garfield
mainly because of The Garfield Show, wich seems to be ironically popular, love to hate if you will
and in that show he is more active than the comics
so it is a TMNT situation
Nick has 1 or 2 shows of the franchise, even though it didn't start there, makes it possible for the platform fighter
I will say I agree with most of this video but it’s weird she uses the Arnold being a pacifist thing and Garfield being lazy as arguments against his inclusion when one of his most popular running gags is kicking Odie off the table
Nickelodeon owns both of those franchises. Viacom purchased the rights to the TMNT in 2009 and Paws Inc (Garfield) in 2019.
My best guess as to why Garfield made it into Nick All-Star Brawl is probably because of the same reason why Hugh Neutron and Shredder made it into the game… memes.
Either that, or they just wanted to show more of their parent company’s acquired mascots, before making the new show or that new Garfield movie that had been rumored.
@@IcyDiamond Arnold should be here don't forget the karate episode,Arnold should be in his karate gi.
I am gonna be real, I would take Gertie but not Gerald over Gerald but not Gertie; Gertie has demonstrated IN UNIVERSE that she can throw hands.
Aside from that I would legitimately really like Timmy+Cosmo+Wanda, and out of any other FOP character I would LOVE to have Jorgen. Out of the other properties not in the game yet I'd legit be down for Snap, Bessie, and Tak. (Though tbh I'd rather have a version of Tak from the games pre-cartoon, as nitpicky as that is)
Re: The Assist Trophy / Collectable thing, maybe the unrepped characters can somehow be present in the roguelite portion of the game? Either as powerups or interactive events or something, like Rudy drawing a health item for your character, or maybe Angelica deals damage to you trying to find Cynthia, or something.
Rocket Powwr premiered in 1999 just like SpongeBob and ended in 2004.
So technically, it's a 2000's Show
LuL he's mad over Garfello
Garfield is love. Garfield is life.
Chalk Zone and FOP are two IPs I would love to see in the game for sure. Angry Beavers is a great one too
Idk if it's talked about in video but the reason F.O.P. characters rarely make appearances in cross over games now a days is because in some countries the show is aired on Disney...Nick probably dosen't want to tangle with them. Or at least that's the whispers I'm hearing.
15:27 i agree, the lack of fop and Timmy in nasb it's bizzare but tbh im very optimistic that they might find a way to get the international rights from nelvana since the devs are 100% aware Timmy it's the most highly requested character now that jimmy, squidward and el tigre are in the sequel, and if you ask me he has to be one of the firts dlc characters to make hype for future newcomers (fun fact, there gonna add more dlc characters in the future).
I got an idea on how they can reveal Timmy if they manage to get the rights from nelvana: the reveal will be showing gameplay footage of spongebob, danny phantom, jimmy neutron and then they reveal Timmy, this could work for a great reveal because it will be a callback to nicktoons unite and also a reference on how smash reveal pac-man in smash 4 showing gameplay footage of mario, sonic and megaman.
What is FOP
I hope Zim’s moveset is realized more since as of now he’s the only rep for his show. Goddard opens up lot of possibilities for GIR and I think the Gnome should act like a sentry turret similar to the show which would kinda be a new fighting style for a platform fighter.
I understand the Irken Pak legs is realistically how Zim would contend with all these other characters as he’s even used it for few combat scenarios in the show, but having it take up a lot of his moves comes off as uninspired at times when he’s just poking and stabbing 90% of match
Background characters becoming assist trophies is an AMAZING IDEA
Good video, even though it wasn't a big deal to me, I agree with your points about the lack of 2000-2010's shows representations in both games. And Timmy definitely should be in the game for sure, he's one of, if not the most deserving spot in the roster...
Ehhhh. I don't think it's worth shoehorning less popular characters just to fill some arbitrary era quota. Like, are we going to seriously argue that The X's should get priority over something like Hey Arnold just because it was made in a different decade?
The thing about the 2000s era is that Nickelodeon routinely canceled shit that wasn't performing the way SpongeBob was. As a result, most shows from that era just died out before they really built an audience. They ran for like 1 season, and went quickly forgotten. All the exceptions are essentially already here. Jimmy Neutron, Invader Zim, Danny Phantom, Avatar, and Teenage Robot. Yes, Fairly OddParents is a particularly glaring omission, but if we're willing to accept that ownership issues are a good enough reason to exclude Doug, then they're a good enough reason to exclude Timmy Turner too.
Idk, I don't think this is a particular problem. The devs took more of a "greatest hits" approach. It's really the best they could do when pulling from so many decades of history.
That said, I really like the idea of including some sort of collectible for the non-represented series. My mind immediately thought that instead of trophies, they could include things like sketches. Concept art, design references, or something like that. I think it would both fit the celebration of Nick as an animation studio and be something cool for fans to actually want to collect.
It’s very refreshing to see someone with reasonable opinions on this travesty of a roster
My two theories about Garfield being in here are as follows:
A) He was a studio demand to flaunt the fact that Nickelodeon owns him. "Hey, look at this cool and wacky game, with SpongeBob, Ninja Turtles, and Garfield!"
B) The devs are big fans of Garfield and added him because they had the right to.
I dont know why or how it would be easier to get Garfield than The FairlyOdd Parents, but hey, it is what it is.
I lean more towards B since I think the devs have way more control over the roster than any higher-ups.
Either way, I don't actually mind his inclusion here. He's a really fun character, and I don't see why not since they own him.
His profile picture is literally garfield, like I hate L take videos like this.
@@TaviiCatniss am I missing something? Who has a Garfield pfp?
@kellykingqueen2060 Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Good for him.
@@coolguyayden Nick doesn't fully own the rights to Odd Parents, the other half belongs to Nelvana.
I'm surprised you never covered Powdered Toast Man, because I'll be honest, he's possibly the most weird character that they included, heck, when they announced him, I didn't knew he existed, and I was surprised you had no issues with him
Yeah, he’s a bit odd, but I don’t really have an issue with an extra niche Ren and Stimpy rep, one of the founding NickToons. It’s definitely weird but nowhere near as egregious as other characters I talked about.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon Understandable
@@chicofnaf7114 Ren and Stimpy is one of Nick'ss first shows, and its one of the most influential shows ever. The problem is that Ren and Stimpy has become less popular because everyone hates John K.
@@orangeslash1667 True, I mean, that's why when NASB 1 was released, I was worried about how people would react to them being here
@@chicofnaf7114 Even with the John K controversy, Nick is not afraid to use Ren and Stimpy because it was a huge hit.
Hugh was in by popular request, the devs. Care about there customers and community
It would be cool if we can have a Nick Smash Ultimate kind of thing where every Nicktoon is here. They probably don't have a budget for that though. Unless we have to wait for an All-Star Brawl 3 lol. Timmy needs to start showing up in the console games. It's weird that he's able to show up in the mobile games. I would love if he was playable in the Nickelodeon Kart Racers series. I wanna see Chincinatti and Fairy World become tracks. As for the Rugrats, I think Susie & Angelica would be nice to see. They did have a rivalry in the show. Them being in the game would sort of make up for the babies not being playable. The X's make a lot of sense to be in the game. They're a fucking spy family. Same with Tuff Puppy. A spy dog and a spy cat sounds great asf. I remember when the 1st game was announced and I made a post about them on the subreddit, the people in the subreddit thought the show was too obscure to show up. I also never understood the hype for Hugh either from the very beginning. I would rather see Sheen, Carl, and Cindy. They make more sense to me. Whenever I brought up Cindy in the subreddit they would say she would be a bad choice. I'm like how when she fights in the movie and show ? Idk why people act like Hugh was so important in Jimmy Neutron. You're right about Garfield though. It's weird how NASB fans hate the idea of Arnold being playable since he's a "pacifist", but we literally have one of the laziest cartoon characters in history in the roster. Garfield fighting doesn't necessarily make sense either, but he's here. NASB fans are a bit toxic to me lol. They want the whole roster to be filled with meme picks not knowing some of us just don't care for that shit.
The legal troubles with FoP doesn't apply to the US, Nelvana has certain distribution rights that only apply outside the US. I think those mobile games are only released in the US, but they obviously don't want to do that sorta thing with a more proper game like this.
I understand your criticism...
but also (dolphins noise) you dude Garfield was an interesting weird pick
If they dont add miko or ottis in any season of the dlc im getting MAD
Also L take on garfield and shit
I would love them both. I doubt they'll do it. Well idk if people on their discord talks about them alot then maybe.
The reasons for a lot of the 2000s and 2010s shows not being in the game probably isn't due to the fact that they're pandering to the 90s, but due to the fact that most of the shows currently not represented are either very obscure or blantly not good at all. Sure as someone born in 2000, I did grow up with and loved catscratch, but even I have to admit that a show as obscure as that or the Xs absolutely do not hold up compared to something like catdog, angry beavers, or hey arnold in terms of legacy for nick. I especially feel this way towards the newer 2010 shows, which if you're just gonna add stuff like Bunsen is a Beast or Sanjay and Craig purely so they can add more 2010s characters, that feels like you're just adding them solely for representation and not based on them actually deserving the choice, because it's hard to find anyone who actually likes those shows because they're ass. Are there good choices for 2010s shows to be put in the game, like Harvey beaks, glitch chasers, and even Tuff Puppy? Sure, of course there are, but adding characters purely based on "this era doesn't have enough shows represented" is kind of shallow. That's why the 90s is so well represented, not only is it some of the most nostalgic characters, but also the most prolific as the 90s is unmatched for how many memorable and quality shows there were. The 2000s had fewer of them, but they were more household names and had longer lasting impact, so those shows like Danny Phantom, Avatar, and Jimmy Neutron having more characters from already represented shows to have similar numbers to the 90s makes tons of sense, because having a similar amount of characters to the 90s by only having 1 or 2 characters for Avatar and Jimmy Neutron and replacing them with characters from the Xs or catscratch is not really an accurate way to rep the 2000s. Would I love to have Mr blik or Otis in the game? Absolutely, but I get why they aren't.
I don't think you should be so pessimistic towards the DLC, because most of the super requested 90s characters are already in the game, so now the focus would likely be on the requested 2000s characters. I could definitely see chalk zone, barnyard, Tak, and especially Fairly Odd Parents being DLC, and I don't think you should be really mad about that. Fairly Odd Parents is at an unfortunate legal issue, and I feel like spending budget for the base game to get him in the game instead of that money going into making the game better would be an unwise choice when spending money solely on the characters and not the game makes more sense to do it, especially considering he would be a great DLC pick as he's probably THE most requested character at the moment, it's why all the 3rd party characters for ultimate were DLC (except for castlevania). Does it suck that he isn't in the game right now? Yeah, it does, but just like how FoP was your Nick show, Jimmy Neutron was mine, and it getting represented in the DLC (also they chose my favorite character from it which was even better) felt really special.
I understand feeling disappointed in a product you overall feel excited for, because while I love smash ultimate and it's roster, the DLC felt incredibly disappointing for me and I felt very alone on that, especially for all the people attacking me for it, that feeling is definitely valid even if you're in the minority, just try to put things in perspespective.
lmao @ the ember part
i'm gonna be honest, I was very upset with the game for not acknowledging the 2000s shows as much, when mlaatr came, I was very complacent because it felt like the only character I really wanted, and afterwards I felt like I had nothing to complain about roster-wise outside of stating the weirder picks like ember and april. I think you're absolutely valid when you said "maybe me being upset stems from fairly odd parents not being represented", because I pretty much align there since mlaatr has a character. I have a big feeling that timmy is gonna be the final slot on the season pass, sorry man.
Completely valid but copyright is hard.
Me wanting to see some new stuff would be cool but it's limited because of the era where nick strictly focused on live action shows a little too much that I thought cartoons on that channel were dead. All I could remember from the late era of Nicktoons were the previously mentioned Harvey Beaks, Breadwinners(which I would like to see happen even if not possibly realistic) and The Loud House, and only a couple were remembered through the years.
> Doesn't like memes
> Uses a pretty darn good one as the outro LMAO
Tbf, you said what had to be said without insulting the devs and that's respectable. Solid take on the roster, Gertie just doesn't feel right, but everything else is good choices. I'm not surprised TMNT gets favoritism for reps as that's up there in terms of marketable profit just like Pokemon and Fire Emblem are to Smash Bros. -- same with Garfield, but I think of him as a sort of Solid Snake inclusion simply due to popularity.
I am hopeful the leaks only show the starter roster and there is more new characters remaining as unlockable. The devs seem to be hyping the campaign for a reason which could end up being a parallel to Brawl's Subspace Emissary with cutscenes akin to the Nicktoons crossover games from the 2000s.
The 3 characters that I really want in is Otis, Timmy turner, and kitty katswell, they could all be fun, and if they're all dlc then I'm gonna be so hyped
I dont know the others, but with what they have revelaed till now i think that would be better if they give some kind of exclusive price for whoever bought the first game before the launch of this one or at least apply that for the ones who bought the DLCs cause this sequel seems to have the same characters now already unlocked and aparently with the same moveset
I wish the roster was balanced with the eras. I'm still wishing for Timmy Turner to make it in the roster. I also want Tak to make the cut and base him on his appearence and personality from his first 3 games since those video games were better received than the show and because of nostalgia biases.
I also found it odd that modern franchises were very underrepresented in this game since a lot of 2000s to early 2010s Nick crossover games roster highly prioritzed shows that were airing on the channel at the time. I almost thought Brendar from a short lived series called "The Barbarian and the Troll" (it's a great watch BTW) made the cut during the first game's silhouette leak, but it was April.
I didn't mind Hugh's inclusion though. I find him as a fun character to play as.
6:37 ooooo boy, this reminded of the 2009 Garfield Show (The 3D one that's so memable)
I think that can kinda fit on Nickelodeon but i still see no reason for him to be here
And I am a huge Garfield fan!
At least make a original show nick and then justify his appearance XD.
I've seen two different CZcamsrs act like Gerald makes more sense as a representative that Gertie and that's honestly baffling to me. If you asked me to pick two Hey Arnold characters for a fighting game Helga and Gertie would absolutely be the top choices.
I do agree that Fairly Oddparents should be in a game, but if rights issues are getting in the way, you can't really get mad at the devs for that. It's literally not their call to make
The fact my boy timmy isnt throwin hands with the angey beavers is a crime
Counter argument about your "Garfield shouldn't be in rant" while I do get your reasoning I think Garfield should be in more as like guess character but him saying why he's here is like saying why Sonic and Pac-Man are in smash bros as also speaking say Garfield doesn't fight cause he's lazy is saying Isabelle can't be in because she can't fight in animal crossing I'm not being rude but seriously you hating on Garfield on that is just ridiculous.
Henry and June from Kablam are 90's Nickelodeon characters we haven't seen since the 90's that should return.
I want Tuesday X in this game as well as Otis and Parker J Cloud. I would even like Bunsen in and they would give more shows in.
14:14 does that mean we can potentially have biggie cheese in the roster 😂😂
She call me Mr. Boombastic, tell me fantastic
Touch me inna me back, she say I'm Mr. Ro......
I think Timmy might come as dlc or there might be some characters that didn’t appear on the linked image jimmy was even in a fairy odd parents special so having Timmy would be nice
Friendly reminder; there is a Garfield strip where he's so annoyed by a loud ice cream truck disturbing his sleep that he smashes the truck and in the next panel, the truck is folded like a futon
If They Wait Until Nick All Stars 3 To Add Timmy, Im Riot
If I don't see the cow from back to the barnyard in any of the games, I would be pissed
if you watch Garfield do you know how many times he’s run or did acrobatics he does it a lot on his animated adventures he doesn’t do it in the comics because there’s a limited amount of room?(just saying I don’t want to start an argument I wanted to share my view point)
im gonna stay cautiously excited, it looks good but i see your points
Leonardo and Michelangelo were already shown to return in NASB2
I totally agree about the absence of the Fairy Odd Parents. Whenever I see Nickelodeon I always thought of Spongebob, Jimmy Neutron, Danny Phantom and Fairy Odd Parents. Those 4 for me and I'm sure many others helped make Nickelodeon what it was in the 2000s. But I disagree about the whole 90s get more representation than 2000s argument. Compared to 2010s the 90s were absolutely superior in every way. Seriously Chum Chum? What even is that? A drink? Back to the Barnyard? I didn't know that their was a cartoon beyond the movie.
What do you think the cutts characters from the roster and the DLC been leaked
I did a live stream covering the former and a community post covering the latter. :)
Heres some dlc speculation
1. Timmy (feel like this one will 100% happen)
2. Otis from back to the the barnyard
3. Maybe a fanboy and chumchum duo fighter
4. Honestly nothing that comes to mind for this one, maybe Tuff puppy? Idk I seriously don't remember any other nick show that I used to watch when I was little
bro has beef with Garfield
This feels a tad nitpicky to me imo. I think the DLC is going to iron out a lot of your issues, and even then I think we still dunno the roster. We gotta trust the vision! 😂
Yeah bro he likes owl house what do you expect.
@@putchristfirst4610owl house is a fucking shit show but he has some good points
Owl house is fine, what does that have to do with anything??
Assuming the DLC would fix the problems is just that, an assumption. There's no way of knowing it'd make anything better or worse.
And even if it does fix things it should have to take DLC for people to get what they should have gotten base game. The problem of such things being fixed through DLC is even pointed out in the video.
And "We gotta trust the vision"? What vision? The way i see it the "vision" is very biased against everything that's not apart of the dev's childhoods.
A TAD Nitpicky?! Bro this is nitpick the video, worhtless
U made some good points about Garfield. It's odd to see him fighting but I guess I like him too much to care and he's mainly in because Thaddeus begged for him. And, I 100% agree with everything u said about Hugh. He just doesn't deserve to be here. If Jimmy came first...maybe. But, the fact that Hugh was put in over Jimmy left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't like the approach they went with not adding the main characters of some series people obviously wanted over the side characters they did put in. And, yes...us 2000's kids are sad. I feel ya. Great critique of this game. Really glad I found this video.
Have you thought of comparing online nick brawl with console nick brawl? I agree there’s so many great shows to choose from and it’s who makes us more money. V.s. Who was on the network. A 2D vs 3D starline, breadwinners, the Wayne,even the penguins of Madagascar. Though I’m surprised they didn’t add someone from big Nate or smurfs yet.
I can’t be mad over the roster. The gameplay is more of a concern to me against the roster. Even as a 2000s kid, most of the important 2000 shows have representation and doubling down on more representation for the popular shows makes sense since that’s what sells the games.
Fanboy and chum chum + power of juju would go crazy👀
Worst part is they had Timmy turner in a Nickelodeon mobile tennis game that almost no one even knew about that was made a year ago💀💀💀
I understand your critiques with NASB1 and 2 completely here. I myself am a 2000's kid and do feel underwhelmed how 90's kids are getting themselves a 5 star dinner meal, while the 2000's kids feel like they get themselves a fast food meal (and the 2010's kids getting like a snack from the convenient store there). I think it's because of Nickelodeon trying to win back the crowd from the 90's kids by having an abundance of merch and video game representation these days, I think they're slowly but surely getting to use 2000's kids though. I see SpongeBob and TMNT as leagues of their own considering how big they are, but of course I am more fond of the former.
I was also a tad bit salty that Hugh got in NASB1 over Jimmy thanks to the internet, but I was still glad they represented the show. Jimmy Neutron is the most fond 2000's Nicktoon to me and I was indeed happy to see Jimmy actually in the sequel, but it makes me hungry for more from that show. I would love to see Carl, Sheen, and Ultra Lord as more playable Jimmy Neutron reps.
With the other 2000s shows we have, I never grew up with Zim, MLAATR and El Tigre too much, but I did watch some episodes here and there. Honestly I never liked Danny Phantom that much as a kid, wasn't a huge fan of the tone of the show. I enjoyed Avatar too, but it isn't exactly an all time favorite for me. For 2000s cartoons not represented yet, I want to see Barnyard and FOP in there at some point. Barnyard is my second favorite Nicktoon next to Jimmy Neutron, but FOP rightfully deserves to be in this game because of how long it went for and all the memories it gave us. If NASB2 has a bigger budget than the first one, I hope they can go above and beyond by giving us the average boy that no one understands.
The other 2010s Nicktoons aren't as remembered or fond of to many due to most of us getting older and moving on from that stuff (and how we mostly stuck with SpongeBob during those years), but more representation from that era would be nice. It surprises me how Nickelodeon hasn't taken the opportunity to plug a new Nicktoon by putting representation from it into any of the GameMill era games (technically they did that with JoJo Siwa, but that's a live action thing and we probably won't see representation from that anytime soon).
Regardless, I am getting the game too because I want to show more support to the devs and take the time to appreciate what possible wonders could be inside the next game.
They CAN put Timmy in video games still. Last year, they released a crossover tennis game for the Apple Arcade on mobile (Apple Arcade games tend to be a lot more quality than the typical App Store game) and guess who added for free in the game’s last character update? It was his first appearance in a game in forever, but it proves that they can add him to games. They also aren’t adverse to him seeing as he also appeared in Nick’s official Roblox destination, the Nickverse (yes, it is as weird as it sounds) also in 2022.
So… wtf Nick? Where is Timmy?
That tennis game was only released on the US
2:49 You lost some credibility there. "Gender Diversity" picks shouldn't be prioritized over characters that are more important and essential for an "All-Star" game like this. There are plenty of (mostly Asian) games with mostly or all-female playable characters yet hardly anyone complains about those.
Also, it's wild to see you downplay Zim's villainy like that. The guy wants to conquer Earth and enslave the human race. Plus, he's a mass murderer who at one point stole people's organs.
CatDog, The Wild Thornberrys and Rocket Power are barely 90's shows. Especially Rocket Power, which premiered August 1999 and ended in 2004.
Other than that I agree with you. You made a lot of good points. I'm blaming Nickelodeon themselves for rushing Ludosity to develop the game so fast and release it too soon for a quick buck. Still, I hope NASB2 is successful enough to get a third game. That would give them an even bigger budget.
Nelvana owns the first season of timmy turner that was aired on Disney.
I grew up in the 90s 00s era, so I appreciate characters from both eras... but yea, the 00s just miss a lot of heavy hitters. Especially the Fairly OddParents, seeing as he was a main character in the Nicktoons trilogy. Timmy, Vicky and Crocker are such shoe-ins for the game. Hell, add Calamitous or Beautiful Gorgeous (for the fem rep) and you got the Syndicate of Evil in as well.
I don't care for the turtles or Garfield as they still don't feel like Nick to me. For me they are just taking up space. Weirdly Rocket Power was one of the shows I wanted to get in from the start, with Reggie as a rep, so funny it is the only one left.
But definately characters like Rudy, Bessie and Tak would be nice to have, they have so much potential for a good moveset. Instead of searching for reference moves in characters like Oblina.
I got over the “reps, reps, REPS!” Thing a while ago. At the end of the day, while Sakurai did put in some fan favorites, he was mostly focused for many years on adding whatever characters he thought were cool. Clearly this game was made by a bunch of 90s kids so of course they’re gonna add their favorites. It’s a little disappointing but it is what it is.
Garfield did air on nickelodeon in 1998
Having roster cuts can sting hard…really hard, also you would’ve mentioned the possibility of 3rd party characters being included!!
I grew up with Cartoon Network and Digimon. So the only Nickelodeon themed, anything, experience I had was through the video games. So as long as they keep putting the characters I had seen from a game into this game, I am fine with it.
I really do think that NASB2 needs to do one thing, and it's listen to the fanbase. I say this as someone who loves stuff like Smash and Multiversus, both of which realized extreme deficits in something they were doing and found ways to remedy them. The former did stuff like assist trophies before finally saying 'screw it' and making an installment that throws everyone from past titles in and also new choices, both third party and not. Meanwhile, Multiversus straight up screwed the pooch when WB forced them to do things a certain way with the charging for DLC so they shut down with plans to reopen within the coming months. And both did one thing that Nick All Star Brawl didn't do, and it's have such varied, wild rosters that feel so absurdist and off the wall, but represent history for their respective basis, be it video games or Warner Bros. as a studio. Nick mostly just did the 90's and called it a day. And that kinda sucks.
As someone in their 30s, I'm absolutely thriving with this roster. Still, I'm surprised you didn't mention Mr. Meaty, cousin skeeter, As told by ginger, action league now or even cat scratch.
With Action League Now and Mr Meaty, I excluded them because their status as “toons” is sorta up in the air. As Told by Ginger is shown as part of the 2000s snubs in the video and I mention Catscratch a couple times. Admittedly, not familiar with cousin skeeter at all.
garfield got promised a life-time supply of lasagna and cake and also gets to live in a 38 story mansion
I don't see why Nick shouldn't put Timmy in the game, considering the leaks showed Ember Mclain who is also voiced by Tara Strong who also voiced Timmy freaking Turner.
Let's hope Timmy gets reunited with Spongebob, Jimmy and Danny someday!
Nick doesn't fully own Fairly Oddparents internationally. And this game is of course releasing to the whole world so...
@@RioluJH So i made my point.
You gotta remember that nick puts in characters that they want to see. Thats why 90s and stuff is so pushed because they know the market.
Good vid 👍
Thank you for calling out the 2010's like everyone is talking about the 2000's💀
Tbh, the 2010's series were mostly weird or gross.
@@Pahiman12 ik I'm just nostalgic for it and it's under represented to😫
@@Pahiman12 Just like Cartoon Network. Or Disney TV Animation
The exclusion of Fanboy & Chum Chum still blows my mind, I didn’t even watch it that much growing up they just seem perfect for this game
I despised that show as a kid. Please don’t include them
Timmy w/ Wanda and Cosmo, Vicky and Crimson Chin would be perfect trio reps of the game
I agree,the 2000's shows are very missed and I can definitely see some crazy good ideas like
Timmy Turner fairlyoddparents
Rudy from Chalkzone
Tak and the power of juju
Mighty B
Tuff Puppy
I really wouldnt mind some other picks like these so hopefully the dev's think about it
Barnyard too
so my man doesn't know how scary arnolds grandma is I've seen hey Arnold I've seen the wackiness and I honestly cant wait to main her
I have also seen Hey Arnold, doesn’t change my opinion lol. :)
I cannot be the only one who want Sid Chang from The Casagrandes to get in.