I Was HUMBLED at a NYC Jazz Club
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- #jazz #birdland
Learning jazz is a lifelong venture and many quit before they even get their foot in the door. Today my friends and I will try to clarify that. Dig it.
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Many thanks:
Vinny Raniolo
Frank Vignola
The Birdland Jazz Club house band
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Guitars of the video:
Fender Custom Shop Stratocaster
Guild A-150 (Vinny's guitar)
Gibson ES-300 ? (Frank's guitar)
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Timestamps:
0:00-0:24 Humbled
0:24-0:57 Birdland Jazz Club
0:57-2:28 It's simple
2:28-3:06 Backstage
3:06-4:17 The bar
4:17-5:10 That's the sound
5:10-6:39 Learning curve
6:39-8:34 What I got wrong
8:34-9:29 The jazz scene is thriving - Zábava
Hey man! No hate at all but... jazz is so much more than you are implying. It is not about smashing the melodies, or replicating fast lines, it is about IMPROVISING and doing so over the chord changes, which implies a very deep knowledge of the theory behind it and of course, a very deep knowledge of your instrument. Even when they are playing a 12 bar blues it is not "your typical 12 bar blues", there are a ton of ways to play a blues in jazz. Besides, there are thousands of subgenres in jazz, from the classic 30's swing you are showcasing in your video to the most crazy Allan Holdsworth-like jazz-fusion.
You should not be humbled by a lighting fast guitarist (who is by all means a great musician, don't get me wrong); you should be humbled by the knowledge that implies being capable of playing such fast lines while improvising. You trasmit a feeling of over-confidence and I think you have barely scratched the surface of jazz.
And you are American I think? Jazz is your thing, man. You should value it more. Have you heard "the more you know the less you know"? Try improvising over some simple jazz standards like The Chicken or Cantaloupe Island; then over more complicated things like Caravan or All The Things You Are; then over the great Donna Lee or Giant Steps; then over modern things like James or 500 Miles High, or bossa nova like Wave... The moment you start doing that, you will know a little more about guitar... and you'll realize you know fuck all, as most of us do.
Cheers!
This exactly. I’m thinking mikey here missed the point with where jazz’s difficulty comes from.
May the boy open his eyes and his ears, both literally
You said it.....
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I was about to leave a comment..no need after ur wise insights....if he got humbled with these cats....let him listen to fusion masters. Gambale, Holdsworth, Henderson, Metheny....and classics ,clean-tone cats..Benson,Montgomery,Pass,and Hall..all the best.. Greetings from Havana.
Those french guys were unbelievable.
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second guy was called Hugo Guezbar
@@user-pb2yz9se3c tysm
@@user-pb2yz9se3c and the first one is Lior Krief
“jazz is just a bastardized version of blues guitar” ? If you compare the simplist jazz tunes to the most sophisticated blues players that might be true. But there is a lot more to jazz than jazz blues riffs. There is a whole body of jazz standards and originials that aren't just jazz blues. Dude you haven't even scratched the surface of being humbled by jazz.
That's a valid point
Try giant steps or some modal wackyness
He didn’t even take in the fact that a lot of big band jazz came from ballroom dancing during the second World War.
@@ismaelgonzalez2047 Giant Steps chord progression is my favourite warmup. I need to add the walking bass though haha...
I think the saying goes “bastardized version of classical music” don’t know why he said blues
Blud says he was humbled but the entire video he's extremely cocky and sure of himself without realizing it
1:10 “jazz is just a bastardized version of blues guitar” whut?!? No, I hadn’t heard that one
wtf is that guy talking about, this guy clearly does not know much about Jazz. God bless his heart! 🤣🤣
He might have it backwards. "Blues is the bastardized version of jazz guitar " sounds more logical but still @@davewillmusic3334
@@davewillmusic3334 yeah totally lol🤣🤣🤣
Yeah lol very misguided
Jazz is what happens when "blues" guys practice too much.
When you say you're not sure if they're practicing arpeggios, I just want to clarify for you. Those guys were playing arpeggios with enclosures, using approach notes. There were also several classic bop riffs referenced. But yeah. enclosures and arpeggios built into the melodic/harmonic minor scale are what you're mostly hearing there.
I can already see it Django rehinheart will be ur new idol
Lol Mikey a month from now …who is Jimmy hand tricks?
Boils strings for toan
Lose fingers for toan
@@bristol1312bruh🤣🤣🤣
@@bristol1312what about John mayo?
he does single line lacks man.
As I already wrote down here, may he open his eyes, ears and check on Wikipedia where his bluesy lidks come from
Watch an amateur bluegrass flat picking competition. It’s nuts how fast those guys can play on acoustic guitars.
The French guy with the white t shirt is Hugo Guezbar. I got to see him live in France last year. Sick gypsy jazz/jazz player
“Jazz has Beep-Bop” 🤣
flight of the humblebee
@@JoelHenryMusica true standard from the great American song book!
Nice playing. Do you also listen to Gypsy Jazz? I admire Django a lot. I thought I would never be able to play it but after years of practicing I'm finally able to play his runs.
Great Vinny! Always great time with him
I started learning Jazz this year. Wild stuff and I love every second of it. I'm looking forward to the day I can get out and gig
We all need humbling sometimes, lol. You definitely held your own, and you fortunately have great mentors close at hand who are happy to take the time to guide you (unlike those diva jazz musicians 😂).
You and your sis sound great together - I didn’t know you even have a sister with the such nice pipes, but I’m not at all surprised. You should do more projects with her!
There are lots of approachable jazz chords that are fun to toss into rock and metal too. Most 2-3 finger jazz chords are quite doable. I’m more of a rhythm player, but there are even nice slow melodic additions that add a bit of spice yet don’t require being a fast lead jazz guitarist.
The difficulty with jazz, as I see it, comes when it’s time to add a fourth finger into a chord AND the chord requires being a finger contortionist who can stretch between 12 frets. It probably takes years to get your hands into the physical shape required to manage those infamously caaa-RAYYYYYY-zy beast mode jazz chords!
One of the best and relatable videos I have ever watched. Great Job. In a week or so my wife and I are flying to Philly to see Jimmy Bruno play in a small club...I'm already humbled...
I hate to break it to some of these snobs in the comments, but you can be humbled in any genre of music. Jazz players can't play country like the top country players can, nor metal, nor blues. It's all about what you've put the most hours in.
“Ever since the beginning of music, players have been getting humbled for years now.” Great edit buddy. Also… how could you possibly state that as fact?
That was Gypsy jazz. It's totally awesome.
Awesome video my man, very interesting, instant sub.
Nice production .
How about Kurt Rosenwinkel, saw him at the village vanguard, they were so good it was actually uncomfortable, next level, unbelievable
I'd love to see you visit established blues clubs down in New Orleans
After 25 Years Of Playing I Took Some Jazz Guitar Lessons. Changed EVERYTHING For Me. For The Last Couple Of Years Now I Have Been Attending Great Shows At The Baked Potato In Studio City, CA. Best Thing Ever!
aint you the temu guy?
Samba comes from African rhythms, developed mostly in brazilian slums in the 20s and 30s. Working class type of music. Bossa Nova on the other hand is basically gentrified samba 😅 developed in late 50s, a lighter version of samba (or basically samba + jazz).
This is how Both guys are great, but the second guy practices more. It's evident in his technique.
vinny is hilarious
Well dressed, musically educated, skillful yet yet humble. Welcome to professional Jazz musicians.
Smalls is a super cool fun club in The village, NYC🎉
Smalls has a great vibe
this is a good video
It's nice to hear the Swing Era A Smooth One by Charlie Christian and Sing, Sing Sing still being played in 2024. Some argue that Charlie Christian was the most influential guitarist of all time (certainly on electric). Those French dudes sound like gypsy jazz guitarists, influenced by Django, the other guitar giant of the 30s and 40s - massively influential as well.
Yup. Check out his boy Jimmy Bruno. One of my biggest inspirations. He's so amazingly good and so is Frank obviosuly.
Yes for Both. Jimmy is a Giant
yeah Im staying at power chords :)
So think twice the next time you define yourself as a guitarist..
@@nicolasmecaj a joke bro chill
@@THE_sinkovc downhere I'm looking everywhere the same words I said myself years ago, I'm actually really chill, just surprised to see how many people don't actually understand the party, where ironically I joined it only recently. As I wrote to another guy: I blame as forgive myself for the years lost where I could and would have practice with consistency and focus, not who humbled me
@@nicolasmecaj don't worry. Im practicing every day at least 2hr. just learned scuttle buttin'. sorry for misunderstanding.
(edit) scuttle buttin' with bends.
What is the theme name that they are playing on 1:35?
A smooth one
The french guys are, in order of playing, Lior Krief and Hugo Geuzbar. ( I met both these dudes over the past year and played with them at gypsy jazz camps) These are two of the best out there. Actually, there are quite of few absolute beasts in France right now. Adrian Moignard, Sebestian Gineaux, Adrian Marco, Simba Baumgartner, Antoine Boyer, Fanou Tarracinto, and a bunch more. And the german, Joscho Stephan. We gotta get on our game here in the US. That's just the new generation. You still have legends like Bireli, Stochelo, Paulus, Angelo etc.
giving Hugo the recognition he deserves!
I mean, Henry Acker can 100% keep up with these guys.
@@michaelscerbo35 yeah, totally correct. Henry is awesome. and Sam Farthing from Baltimore.
Better for the guy of this video to really consider the players you mentioned, since they're still alive. And to check guitar's history playing past of the last century
Let's not forget that for most of their concerts tickets prices are just as low as a fast food dinner, to get to see the best guitar players alive, technically and musically both
Cool vid bro
I’ll have to say, this video highlights important issues separating jazz the black art form and it’s contemporary washed out version. My friend go see the world, listen to more players. What i just watched felt extremely insincere to what the actual “jazz” scene is going through/ becoming. We should talk some time, and I’ll show you some things that could make you become crazy talented.
Is that Joe Piscopo playing drums at 6:25?
Sometimes it feels more like sport olympics than music, sure fast playing has it place. But what touches the heart of the listener.
what touches ones heart is individual and what comes naturally and passionately out of a musician is individual, either fast or slow, and often the foundation of fast playing is the same as slow playing, just listen to players like pat metheny or john coltrane, its incredibly passionate playing and very rooted in jazz tradition and language
FRİCKİN BOSSA NOVA AND JAZZ THİS İS MY STUFFFFFF
What ypu think is from bkues guitar is a Charlie Christian tune called A Smooth One
I like to try to go back to the oldest version of the song I can find. Louis Prima playing Sing Sing Sing for example I never knew the b section was Yankee Doodle Dandy before I heard his version
Vinny and Frank should be internet stars!
I removed all the electricity and all devices and got a Brand New Flamenco Guitar and started to learn this from scratch.
I never go back to electric guitar......
John Jorgenson is amazing in All things guitar❤
With millions and millions of people playing guitar now, it's kind of hard to stand out
Bucky wasn't "interpreting" anything. He was playing the melody of the Benny Goodman classic "Sing, Sing, Sing." It's just one of a thousand standards you need to learn before weighing in on all this. Most of these tunes have little to do with "blues." I wish you well.
But spend a couple years just woodshedding everything by Sinatra, Ellington, Clooney, Bennett, Nat King Cole, Django, etc. Good luck.
Sounded pretty nice, but the guitar sounded too quiet for my metal head ears.
Bro u should definitely look into Lynyrd Skynyrd’s music. Specifically Steve Gaines style of guitar playing. Its raw guitar with a southern feel and pinch harmonics , mixed with blues licks. One of the best songs to play from Steve Gaines would probably be I Know a Little from the Street Survivors album. Please keep doing what you are doing! I’ve been playing guitar for 2 years and your vids are entertaining and helpful and I try to play the style and rhythm that u have! Thank u bro!
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i am sorry to break it to you, but if you wanna play jazz (not blues!) you definitely need to work on your tone and especially pick attack
Headhunting is one of the main reasons people are turned off by Jazz. Music is not a competition, and it sucks all the fun out of it. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen talented people needlessly embarrass others who aren't on their skill level and just completely kill any joy and interest they would have in it. Nice to see people like Vinny & Frank bucking that.
I blame myself for the fact that I lost years where I could've really practice with consistency and focus, not who humbled me.
Imagine if he try to play brecker! 😂😂
So glad I stumbled upon all this jazz wisdom and knowledge. So humble.... dat's nice...
yeah!!, right on time!!
Wheres the guitar i saw in the thumbnail😭
That guitar dont have strings
Oh shit i didnt even see that
this guy is arrogant af. him genuinely believing jimi is better than any random jazz guitarist in any random nyc jazz club is enough to tell me he knows nothing about jazz music. or rock music for that matter. most, rock guitarists lack any knowledge of theory on their guitar, which severely limits their ability to understand what is happening when they play. so, with hendrix, you end up with one (two kinda) critically acclaimed classic album, and it really only appeals to young aspiring rock guitarists and people who like blues style with distortion.
the artists of guitar in rock music are NEVER the best players of the instrument-they are the most CREATIVE. thurston moore and kevin shields are far more impressive guitarists than jimi, and mostly bc what they do is far more difficult to replicate even by someone considered a master-whereas any one with 100-200 hours under their belt can play most hendrix songs.
i can 3d print you a guitar for a video
You can… but you won’t
You dont have to ask permission
the soul i feel like of jazz has lost its luster. everybody wants to play so fast they forget the soul of it.
Bepop is deliberate Fast
Listen to The countdown by John Coltrane and keep in mind that he was one of the saxophonists on Kind of Blue just two weeks earlier. To me, the song sounds like someone crying intensely and it’s not pretty at all. My point is that they didn’t lose their luster, they’re just trying to achieve a different type of shine that smooth/cool jazz can’t obtain.
@@Pastas666 you got a point there can’t argue that!
@@setablazee3570 yeah I see what you mean
100% and why I can’t listen to a lot of the new guys. They aren’t saying anything. Just playing arpeggios insanely fast. Yes it’s hard and I applaud them but it’s just not for me.
Who hasn't been humbled at a NYC Jazz Club? I've had my ass mailed to me in a Pringles can on more than one occasion. It's all part of the process.
Show us your parts-caster
As a blues player, jazz has TERRIFIED ME FOR YEARS LMAO. Absolutely adore it, don’t get me wrong, but damn these players are for REAL, too much for my major scale and pentatonic obsessions lmao
Checkout Pasquale Grasso I got the chance to see him a year ago in only 18 and self taught and just start by learning some standards man it’s definitely not all bastardized blues as you’ll find but it’s not as “impossible” as someone might lead you to believe like anything people probably told you guitar would be hard but you keep at it
8:37 who are some great guitarists that played guitar like a bass?
7 nation army…
Matteo Mancuso
@@kinan2934 What? A leading bass line doesn't mean he's playing it like a bass. That's like saying Joe Pass played it like a bass
@@michaelscerbo35 no no. Mancuso's picking hand frequently implements bass picking technique. But if you want a guitarist who used the guitar harmonically like a bass, check out Charlie Hunter.
@@kinan2934 uses slaps and other bass techniques is part of the play style but I wouldn’t say he is “playing the guitar like a bass”
Next play Tico Tico
..,A good bass player, you’ll never hear him predominantly in the mix…
If you wake up screaming tonight it will be because the ghost of Jaco Pastorius is haunting you
Put your hands down
you can actually try ichika nito style he is amazing
Everyone is
mikey physique reveal when ?
Lol these French dudes are like “oh look a camera” and then proceed to play diatonic arpeggios with some descending benson stuff and some enclosures. Cool can you play something unique? What a jive ass flex
Also all these New York guitarists like to buy benson guitars and then hold their picks like George benson and to me it’s a funny fad. Most people can’t swing doing that shit and I’ve seen a lot of people lose technique switching to that hand position. Silly
Kenny Burrell did not need to play 40 notes per second to sound amazing. This bs turbo jazz is lame. Coltrane was cool doing it with purpose 60 years ago but these guys aren't.
Just bump into Wes and you wiil see where is the East
FIRST!
I can't tell if this is rage bait or not
Sounds sloppy but what do I know?
You know a lot,and have a higher bar to measure.
Just a ChatGPT search because I was curious
The blues predates jazz. Blues music emerged in the late 19th century in African-American communities in the Southern United States, while jazz developed around the turn of the 20th century, drawing from various musical influences including blues, ragtime, and brass band music. So, blues came first, laying the groundwork for the evolution of jazz.
obviously dawg why are you going to chat gpt to learn about this
Pat martino is my jazz guitar hero
Mikey Piscopo can you please make a Gear Collection Video Please and Thank You.
Humbled is correct
jazz is bastardized blues? bossa nova and jazz are 2 completely different things? boy just stick to riding off jimi hendrix coat tails. them french dudes were like average, kids can play like that. GET GOOD MY MAN
sincerly,
guy who can play anything you play by ear
jesus christ my man, i mean the guy in the video don't know a sh1t but don't ridicule yourself xdd
Cue triggered jazz players who can’t recognize tongue in cheek humor.
Nice
Sadly... this is the last day of asking for a gear collection video... day 2... Make videos on whatever. I do have a recommendation tho. Make one on picks. It would be interesting
Please learn a black metal song for the next video by ear
I stick to fusion.
No one equals joe pass in my opinion
Bro u know nothing. Jazz is a lot more than u are making it out to be. People die for this music.
Who cares? Buncha goddamn fast notes, no one cares. Frankly a bunch of fanatics took it over. Not saying anything anymore.
Ah yes the bastardized version of the blues then becomes musical vomit
No disrespect, but next time you make a video like this , do more research
Antônio Carlos "Chopin" 😂😂😂😂
has he banned saying temu lmao
..,A good bass player, you’ll never hear him predominantly in the mix…
If you wake up screaming tonight it will be because the ghost of Jaco Pastorius is haunting you