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When I Use Pro Tools over Ableton (Switching DAWs)
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2019
- Why I switch from ableton to pro tools for recording and mixing songs. When i record and mix I use Pro Tools 2019.5 and this video explains 6 of my favorite recording and mixing Pro Tools features I use to produce vocals and finish songs quickly and professionally.
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Important note on Point #1- PT only records in the background when punch record (“P” in the record button in transport) is activated. Otherwise, you cannot just press record and it does not save everything before the punch
this is what most people dont know including myself :p
what to do so that protools is not always recording? that is, so that it does not record in the background
I agree with you 100%. Ableton for inspiration/writing and ProTools for treating audio, mixing, and mastering. You don't know what you're missing if you don't use both.
I really enjoy showing your Ableton tutorials to my middle school music production class in Austin, Tx. Hope you keep those coming!
No worries nothing is actually changing here! I've already been doing things this way on my channel for years... Today i simply made a video explaining why I prefer to switch DAWs
I swear his vocal range keeps getting bigger and bigger with each intro of "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttsssssss....Production Time."
If Ableton Live added: Playlist/Comping, Mix/Edit Groups and Background Audio Recording, it would be so much more competitive. I also use Pro Tools for vocal production, and although I like using it, I'd rather keep it all in Ableton.
Mario Parra I’d probably stop using pro tools if ableton added comping, playlists, and background audio recording!
@@ReidStefanMusic Yah, and don't forget Edit Groups! Dealing with stacked vocals and multitracks with drums is such a breeze in PT, but so cumbersome in Ableton.
@@ReidStefanMusic Maybe in Ableton 10.2? Dare we dream?
Mario Parra I’m hopeful 🙏🏻
All of our dreams to keep it all within our DAW of choice...wish it was possible here as well, and I use PT as my main but export into Sound Forge for 2 track editing for example and Studio One for album mastering.
Nice clickbait "Switching DAWs"*
ahem...
*for vocals
Should be "When I use Pro Tools over Ableton"
Next will be switching girlfriends
Honestly I’ve never really had any issues with vocal production in ableton. I normally bounce my instrumentals into another project and then do my vocals and ableton allows me to be more experimental with my vocal production. I think pro tools required a lot of plug ins in order to get the job done. Ableton packs a punch with their stock plug ins. It might not be the best for vocal production because it’s a little tedious but it’s not impossible or unbearable
Would love to know how Ableton allows you to use fewer plugins to achieve the same sound, that is what you are saying correct?
This is exactly the video I’ve been looking for! I’m a veteran Live user and I just got pro tools a few months ago and have been exploring what all it can offer me that Live doesn’t. Thanks!
Presonus StudioOne 4.5 all day for me... thank you for the video, I learn a lot from you!
Yup I used them all and studio one is for me
One more thing - If I remember right, in the pre-premiere chat you said something about not being able to open more than one plugin at a time in Pro Tools. You can - just shift click any plugin and it'll open without closing the other. Option + CMD + W will close all plugins open, too. Forgive me if you already knew this.
Omg the comping feature in Pro Tools is so nice. Comping in Ableton is the bane of my existence
Cubase comping is much better than Pro Tools
This didn't age well. Ableton Live 11 has great comping features now.
@@meditationman4208 Still sucks tho
@@bw2937 How?
@@leaveitorsinkit242 He just doesn't wanna get out of his comfort zone. That's why he'd rather say "Still sucks" than offer any actual meaningful reasons for not liking Live.
*why i use pro tools over ableton*
Cause whole loops asked me to!
he owns whole loops ya dip
Ne ethada
When your clickbait game is super on point.
Good about recording yeah, but for production, heavy automation use and working with midi, ableton! I record in pro tools tho.
1000% Agree with this. I've been saying this for YEARS lol... You could add plenty more reasons to these... Clip Groups, Track Groups, Group Edits... Great video as always.
I don’t completely agree BUT I always learn so much from your videos! Keep em coming brah!! Realest mawfaka in the game!!!
Well, as real as a puppet can get anyways lol
Ableton 11 will include comping, yay!
Hey Reid Stefan, could you please do a tutorial on how to setup a mixing template in Pro Tools? Thank you
Have you messed with the newest version of Studio One 4.5? They seem to have adopted a handfull of pro tools features.
What features were adapted?
I was told over and over that ableton was better than pro tools so I really gave it a shot but I always found myself returning to pro tools because it’s more intuitive and familiar to use. It like the parent’s house of DAWs if that makes sine. I’ll say this though, using ableton as a virtual instrument in pro tools is the winning combo. Best of both worlds.
Every DAW has its strengths. I use Cubase for the majority of my creation but switch to Protools for mixing and final production stuff. Cubase has its own version of the playlist and vocal comping but it isn't quite that easy. Cubase also has the audio align feature.
This All Features already have in Cubase pro
Thank you for this content btw !!!
More Pro Tools and Ableton tutorials are on the way!
One of the things I like most versus Live is that return tracks (or in this case AUX tracks) aren't stuck to the end of the session, they can be reordered and you can send pre-fader on a per track basis.
Biggest bummer in PT is the sidechain paths aren't delay compensated which makes a lot of contemporary mixing techniques impractical.
iirc you got an option in Pro Tools Preferences to tick : "Delay compensate side chain path" or something like this!
I switched to Pro Tools from Studio One about 2 years ago.
What Version of Protools do you suggest and what plugins are essential to buy?
On the website they offer the Odyssey Collection and Auto-Tune Pro, would you recommend buying them with it?
jalunow I recommend renting pro tools for $25 monthly which gives you the latest version at all times. I use 2019.5 and The only plugins I think are essential are Autotune and Waves Plugins in the whole loops sauce products
I would add ReVoice to the must have list. I use the basic one, not the Pro version you use and get great results MOST of the time (80%) outside of that manual editing is the word.
marconix1 I want to try revoice it seems very useful!
@@ReidStefanMusic thanks a lot for the feedback. Ill try it out for my next vocal session 👍
I would change the title for this video because you're just talking about recording vocals in PT, not workflow/ sound design/ routing/ producing. I personal HATE pro tools for producing music, but I can see how people that need to record bands or vocals would like it.
nick kolar i have never composed a cool beat in Pro Tools and probably never will 🤷🏼♂️ Only mixing and recording happen in my pro tools sessions and it’s 🔥 every time!
Are you gonna switch back now that live 11 is out? I used to use cubase for vocal tracking, but now with comping in live 11, I probably won’t.
Hey Reid, marvelous video. 😄👍🏻 Love to hear your thoughts how you handle LUFS for CZcams, Apple music, Spotify. Producers render audio versions for each delievery type, and I feel its one of the most important steps how your music can reach a audience with sites using automated normalization.
I'm a Reaper user, and I felt like the things you pointed out in the video are not out of reach from other Daw´s. For the price of pro tools people have better choices that cost you 60€ .
At this point I think (HOPE) this is just a preference thing still, I'm fine with it.
I'm a Reaper user as well, and I think it's pricing is very sensible. But what most people omit is that you can't do serious work with Reaper without getting additional software. Reaper is an excellent host and environment for audio production, but its stock plugins and lack of software instruments makes it just that. I like it that way, but it should be pointed out whenever direct price comparisons between DAWs are made.
Everyone chatting about ableton , pro tools and reaper and I’m over here still using FL Studio 🙈
Bro fl all the way
The piano roll is so much superior to any other DAW
I use ableton but wish started with FL. Anything other than ableton and FL is yuck
@@alex-nf3wv like?
@@Last_Day_ dont remember commenting this
doesnt really matter what daw u use lol all get the job done just different workflows
12:05 Much love ! Best production channel ever, thanks !
Wow so glad I found this channel. Wonderful content and the head banging puppet is pure genius too. Thanks.🙏🏻
Will this still be your workflow with Ableton 11? I'm an FL user possibly getting Ableton for its audio manipulation/editing functionality. The new comping tools look great, but here you're saying you use Pro Tools for just that haha
Reaper with pro tools skin all good.
I’m just now seeing this video 4years later. & I’m definitely getting Pro Tools. I love Ableton by its to slow for vocal recordings. 10:06
Ableton Beta testers have been SCREAMING for a comping and loop recording function for so long. I expect it to come eventually, but for now I couldn't agree more with you Reid. If I had the cash (and the amazing singers you have) to work with, I'd get myself Pro Tools for vocals as well.
it is so ugly it hurts my eyes
mosch eye candy or workflow...make a choice.
It’s nice in my ears tho 👂🏻
That’s why your a shit producer 😂 leave it to me
Nowhere near as ugly as Ableton is 🤮
It’s gorgeous in comparison
@@ibrahim47x beauty is subjective. to me, ableton's dark theme is awesome
Bro, your videos are major, thank you so much ❤️
Also, I want the last few seconds of the video as a screensaver 😂
Pro Tools torrenting will probably have a noticeable spike after this video was released
good luck.. it remains unhacked. YEAH baby. You gotta pay for it to use it.
@@teddym2808 yeah not its already been hacked 😳🤣 since forever btw
@@teddym2808 lmao do you work for protools?
@@teddym2808 okay bro
@@teddym2808 its not theft, theft removes from someone, downloading an archive dont remove from anyone
Hey Reid Stefan Why Exporting Audio in Windows Sounds different (Low Quality Sounding) Idid Export it on 48000 With 320kbps. When I Use Macbook Pro What I hear in the Daw Sounds Exactly The Same. Do you Have Any Ideas To Share?
The entire windows OS audio engine sucks in my opinion regardless of DAW
this is why i switched to Studio One 4 for Recording & Mixing as well. And to my surprise, Studio One 4 has all of these features that ProTools has as well. I would say the Comping is actually more efficient and better in Studio One. scrolling through takes using your mouse wheel is a game changer. The people that i work with in the studio always get wowed when i scroll through their takes using the wheel. Also Vocalign works on Studio one and we have our own Audio suite, It's called Event FX and in my opinion it works more efficiently than ProTools as well because we can reverse whatever we rendered out. The only thing i miss from Ableton Live really is the audio effect rack.
Well it does let you parallely use fx like fx racks in ableton but in a matrix like environment
@@sarath1323 I agree but it doesn't keep the original dry signal gain the same. You have to tweak it so much to get it back to the same level. So it's not worth it. I just end up creating a bunch of send tracks and doing it that way
Cinco Sound you can also reverse what you rendered out in pro tools as well
@@funnybunnyishot11 ah that's good to know
Is there a way to *always background record in other DAWs as well?.... Seems easy enough to implement as a feature, I'm surprised if it's not seen more
Yes if your interface has digital input & output called SPIDF, you can loop a digital RCA cable connecting the digital audio output back into the input. Then record that SPIDF input in your secondary DAW in the background capturing all audio you hear. This is how I record tutorials with perfect quality and no software glitches like OBS and Loopback app. But most small / affordable interfaces don’t have this option
@@ReidStefanMusic wow interesting idea! I do have an RME fireface so I’d probably have to configure that in TotalMix. Hmmm 🤔 thanks Reid 🙏
epic voicecrack xD 5:37
thank you sooooo much🙏🙏🙏
this video was perfect i learned a lot thanks reid
THE RECORDING PLAYLIST THING...??????? AMAZING
Ableton Live 11 had comping now..
Should I switch even now???
I still prefer protools for vocals. There’s better shortcuts workflow and stock plugins for mixing pro quality vocals
My whole producer, mastering DJ career just all came together at the record stop effect like wow so easy!!!
Recording and Mixing is major in Pro Tools
Hey puppet, I’m running pt11 is it worth upgrading to the quit expensive 12 ultimate perpetual, I’m also running Ableton live 10 and studio one 4.5 on partitioned drives 41 years in the business 18+ years using DAWS
so true. ableton is a disaster when recording/editing vocals.
Pro Tools is Amaaaazing for recording and u are so versed in it Reid! BUT i wish it was good for making beats as well so i wouldn’t have to make beats in ableton then bounce down and import to protools and record smh ❤️
Totally agree. I love the workflow of pro tools when it comes to recording and mixing I just wish the midi was like ableton.
The mono thing on vocals is a pain in Ableton :( also the tab command in pro tools for transient is gold
Soooo helpful! Thank you for this video! I produce future bass and festival music and I'm definitely inspired to share more of my own tutorials and music on my channel! :D
Hi Reid Stefan, did you have to purchase an avid audio interface to use pro tools software?
I certainly understand why you would use Pro Tools over Ableton when recording and mixing. BUT Pro tools over Cubase I just don't get. The routing, the mixer and the editing is so much better in Cubase IMO. Maybe back in the days when PT had great exclusive plugins they had an egde, now PT is lagging behind Cubase. I guess it is an LA thing :D
Great video!
please do more pro tools videos
hey reid! love your work. you’ve helped me before hoping i can grab your attention! when mixing in Logic pro (switching to pro tools) i usually send my vocals to mix busses for my leads and backing. only probably is when i sent backing and hook dubs to a backing mix aux. i cant pan either of the tracks a direction cause they are sent to a mix bus where it’s mono stereo coming in so it all stays cemeteries unless i pan allllll the backing hooks going to mix bus. any help?
You convinced me
After editing/mixing vocals in PT, do you export all track/return stems and put them into your Ableton session, or stem out the Ableton session and mix it all in PT?
Daniel Night sometimes I print my final song out of the vocal session with a bounce of my ableton beat in the session. Sometimes I print the final song out of ableton with a bounce of my pro tools acapella in the session. They both sound the same and honestly i do both ways equally nowadays🤘🏻
came for the comments xD
Reid Stefan Hi Reid, thanks for sharing all your knowledge and tricks. You explained the reason why you prefer protools for vocal recording-produccion, but you didn’t explain why you also prefer mixing on Protools. After learned from you how you do parallel process ( grouping chains ) in one track, groups withins groups etc etc, I found myself more creative and easier in my mixing workflow on Abbleton, that’s thanks to you !! Jaja Now I’m intrigued to known your opinion, Is it for workflow reason or sound reason ??
I hope Ableton in Germany watch this video for the 11th version. I still lack a lot of features while recording acoustic drums and multi channel instruments in Ableton. Pro Tools makes so much more sense in studio environment.
Yo can someone tell me if those plugins you showed were all stock? I'm so sold every single thing you said was a problem I've been spending hours on FL Studio not being able to do. You literally quantize a clip in a second, had a tape stop affect but perfectly which I literally spent days perfecting on a song. I'm so happy cuz I can still use FL for production but now pro tools for recording vocals & samples.
Most plugins that he's using are not stock but I would recommend you switching from FL too
Brilliant!
Makes sense!
For those ableton users that want to use ProTools for THESE REASONS, Pro Tools First, which is a free version, you can have Reid´s reasons: 1, 3, 5 and 6. Unfortunately you do not have reason 2 (Various takes) and 4 (plugins he mentioned). But 4 out of 6 is already GREAT and I am already using it for vocal recording.
Do I have to uninstall Pro Tools 2018.12 in order to install 2019.5?
Nevermind, got it, haha
@@PianoHandsOnFaiya do we?
@@bunnysingh4832 No you shouldn't have to
I'm wondering about #5:
If the left and right signals are exactly the same (in Ableton) doesn't it sound exactly identical as if you had a single channel in mono? I honestly never got why you would prefer a singlr channel
Bloou Ppilou mono files take half as much space. Mono plugins use half as much CPU
Reid and Karra with another one two punch!
Saying you switched is kind of click bait. It's not like you're not using Live anymore. For real, Live lacks in mixing/recording/comping and in some ways midi. I use Reason and Live. Considering Cubase actually, it's strong where those two are weak and vice versa. Good on you for finding a workflow that works. You're a smart dude and your videos are amazing.
You could use other less expensive DAWs for the same features, like Reaper.
Reaper is the one.
im so used to using audio effect racks and making new chains for effects on ableton. How is that applied on protools is it through aux tracks ?
Flicks ableton audio effect racks have no equivalent in pro tools! It’s one of the special magic tricks exclusively in ableton. If you really wanted something similar in Pro Tools buy BlueCat’s Patchwork or set up a lot of aux tracks!
is it possible to apply Pro Tools shortcuts to Ableton like how Logic can do?
what to do so that protools is not always recording? that is, so that it does not record in the background
Pro tools or Ableton or mixcraft for vocal editing?? Please reply
Pro tools was the first daw I used and it is the best for movie sound design and recording .. Pro tools shortcuts make it one of fastest workflow daw.. I hope Ableton people see this and implents some shortcuts
so when you produce a beat in ableton, do you just 'export all tracks' from ableton to pro tools when you want to record vocals and mix the song? Or what is your process in regards to that?
I export my beat from Ableton with no master chain, so i can master the song within the pro tools session with vocals. If i need to adjust the beat, I open re-Ableton and re-bounce a new instrumental for the pro tools session.
@@ReidStefanMusic thank you! makes sense
*Any fL user no ?*
No?
Okay I’ll just set back and sip my coco.
yeah, literally some thousands of underage teenagers
I use FL Studio sometimes!
@@ReidStefanMusic Yeah i know i was joking
Grown engineer I use fl for producing and pro tools for mixing and recording
@@earl3736 just because you don't fuck with fl studio doesn't make fl studio a bad daw. I feel pretty comfortable recording and mixing vocal in fl studio.
There’s 3 versions of pro tools do they all come with vocalign and all these features
mono friendly? once the signal sends the same sound on both left and right channels, its mono. Does it matter if it "looks" stereo in ableton?
Magnus yes! the visual difference between mono and stereo clips is extremely helpful for maintaining a visually organized session!
hey Reid !
what's the name this song?
With the playlist feature, one major fuckup with that is that the media items colour changes when you drag them around, how are you supposed to keep track of the takes like that
Casper Bjerkehagen That is weird. But if you drag it by hand it doesn’t change color tho 🤷🏼♂️
You are the best don’t forget it
Luna for mixing and tracking live. Live for everything else.
what about logic @reid?
Joost B I used it 2010-2016 and then stopped because I disliked it
Hey Reid, have you ever tried Cubase?
Reid can clickbait if he wants he’s given us so much for free! much respect for Reid
Any music producers here please tell me which daw should i use for professional music production. I'm a guitarist I want produce music and I'm really confused of choosing a daw.. So someone pleasetellme
Ableton
You're the man Reid!! Always appreciate your content!! Much love brotha!!
Do you have a VST wrapper for Pro tools or are you using all AAX plugins?
BlueCat's Patchwork allows me to every VST in my catalog perfectly! (except Ozone 4 for some strange reason)
@@ReidStefanMusic definately. It's a well built plugin and makes it easy with that "wrapper" preset. Was curious if you were using something else/knew of any more cost effective wrappers?
Dang. See, I went to Ableton from PT, lol. I still like PT but Ableton is just a more creative tool to produce in, for me at least.
Yeah it does suck to comp on Ableton, there are definitely a few things they have been sleeping on for sure
I’m exactly the same. Was so glad to leave pro tools behind. I do wish Ableton had a feature when you were done with production it would bounce down all to audio files and let you do a clean mix down with a more traditional style like Pro Toools or Studio One. Mixing in Ableton is.....less than ideal to me but not worth dealing with Pro Tools again lol
I missed the chat. One of the reasons I haven't fully changed to Pro Tools for vocals is because of your OTT 4. How could we translate that in Pro Tools?
Hendrick Valera download the free OTT plugin from xferrecords.com/freeware it works in pro tools
@@ReidStefanMusic but OTT 4 is far more superior ;)
are any of these features in ableton 11?
They didn’t fix any of these problems in Ableton 11 or 12 however they did add a comping and playlist feature in Ableton which was long overdue
So you're naming your plugins after other companies or plugins ie Waves and Ozone?
Jsn Sdx my products are PRESETS for your familiar plugins
@@ReidStefanMusic oh yeah duh phew you scared me
Macbook 13 2017 (i5 8GB) or Macbook 15 2014 (I7 16GB)?? I really like the look of the New ones tho
How about a powerful computer?
If it have to be a MacBook I would always pick the 15 one. Just more room on the display which is really useful.
Also you can upgrade the ram and the SSD which is super useful for a production machine.
But since I have my desktop workstation the productiongame is on another level :D
@@_abholen_ Well ive got a Razer Blade with a i7 and 16GB ram already but need a new Laptop for school
@@_abholen_ but thanks for your answer
Studio one v4 all day
I switch to logic to record vocals too for almost the same reasons. It's just ableton really sucks for that specific recording workflow ...