When They Ask For Proof -- Voddie Baucham
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When people ask for proof, they’re asking you to perform a miracle in front of them. They’re asking you to build a Time Machine and show them the resurrection of Jesus.
Jesus encountered the same type of attitude, and He would always perform miracles, and they still didn’t believe in Him…called him a demon, in fact. Even when His actions were in perfect alignment with Scripture.
Ironically, Jesus is more than willing to reveal Himself to anyone so that there is no doubting. But it has to be on His terms.
I pray more will have testimonies 🙏🙂❤️
That's the perfect answer
Even if you could perform a miracle, it’d be no guarantee that they’d believe you. People witnessed Jesus perform miracles right in front of them and still they didn’t believe.
Maybe some people, but not rational people. No one can prove God exists, or Jesus was his Son. No one can prove God doesn't exist, or that Jesus wasn't his Son. One can only review the information thus far available. People interpret information differently which is why you get different conclusions.
@@ron88303 exactly, that's why we each have our own testimony and people see it how they want, but for ourselves we know.🙏🙂❤️
To all Christians,
FAITH is where the hangup is. No matter what you "prove" to an unsaved person, NOTHING changes without faith.
I be tellin people it’s not bout proving God is real. What those people are really tryin to avoid is the next question which is, are you going to worship him? Bc it’s not like the proof of God is just goin to make them change their ways.
@@g-mode5047 Amen 🙏🏾
NOTHING changes *_WITH_* faith. Praying will get you nowhere. Faith is the reason people give to believe when there is NO REASON to believe!
Fancy a test? Okay, here we go...
What method do you use to tell a true prophet from a false one?
Simple, isn't it?
But you have no proof, just like Muslims and Buddhist, an almighty God who can do all things but can't prove he did it 😅😅😅
@@18dot7 A true prophet does not speak his own words. He speaks the Word of God. Therefore, a true prophet ALWAYS tells the truth and what he says ALWAYS comes to pass. A false prophet does not.
I love the content, but please rethink the musical background. It is monotonous and distracting. 🥺
In simpler words, the music sux.
Agreed, it is distracting 🙄
. Something from Enya would be nice.
@@historian254 maybe just none? Quiet
Agreed it’s two minute video with decent content, yet almost a pain to watch because of the background music
God designed his kingdom perfectly. He wants us to have faith. Faith is the evidence of things hoped for, things that are not seen. People that ask for proof don’t really want proof. The Pharisees asked Jesus for miracles as proof and he told them that it wouldn’t matter if he did miracles for them, they still wouldn’t believe. The next time someone asks you for proof, tell them to call on God for proof.
I think that God provided us evidence and truth we can present to defend our faith. We should be able to make a logical argument that is convincing.
I agree that it requires some amount of faith. My argument is usually that it requires significantly more faith to believe an alternative because of the evidence of biblical truths.
That's not what the bible tells us. Jesus being God knowing what's on their hearts and the future could say that. Us being human not knowing people's hearts or the future (who will reopent and trust in Jesus) can't say that. 1Peter 3:15 is our marching orders on that matter and you can pray for that individual. Prayer and supplication must be made for all men....
So learn the bible start to finish pray to God for understanding(wisdom) and find all the credible evidence (eyewitness accounts in the bible being primary), then there is archeological evidence, scientific evidence (real proven science actually points to God), historical documents (though these are not authoritative as the bible).
Some resources
Answers in genesis CZcams
Expedition bible CZcams
@@Pordon_Jeterson
"Truth" is demonstrated dear not asserted, its that which best conforms with the FACTS and EVIDENCE and has nothing whatsoever to do with "faith"
Knowledge of FACTS, also called "propositional knowledge", is defined as true belief that is distinct from opinion or guesswork by virtue of justification. A "FACT" is a point of data that is objectively verifiable ( demonstrable ) Absent "Facts" one has only the opinion or guesswork and no justification to claim such knowledge.
Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜 I actually care about the truth of my beliefs so I have no use for "faith"
Your "faith" is no more reliable or valid than the faith used by followers of Zeus, Thor, Allah, Buddah, Mithrah, Dionysius or any one of a thousand other man made "Gods". Obviously if "faith" can be used to believe in God *X* and also used to believe in God *Y* then faith is NOT a reliable pathway to truth.
_"where there is evidence no one speaks of "faith" - we do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round_ _We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence"_
- *Bertrand Russell*
Why are you telling us what bible god wants. Let bible god tell us.
sheep ॱthe my the voice my they listen ‘ and I I know them ᐧ and follow ॱ they me ᐧ
Gospel of John, 2nd century
👋 Old School 5
The one you call the “Bible God” did
Psalms 40 7
You just have to turn to their book (Mark 7 7-13) until this one (Deut 17 19) is fully available to you
Which might be a while
But Jesus did promise (Matthew 5 17)
Unfortunately too many doctors don’t believe God about the coming of his Sword (1 Peter 3 1)
Does this doctor ?
ובבאהּ הנה באה וידעו כי נביא היה בתוכם:
The sword is a very special word
A hidden wisdom that no longer exists in modern day bibles of today
With the help of an interlinear bible the manuscripts will allow you to hear that word if you are honest in your desire to listen (Proverbs 3 7)
I hope that helps 😊
Pastor Voddie so gifted and a blessing
"Pastor Voddie so gifted and a blessing"
--- He is wrong.
Christians claim that Jesus Christ is alive and well right now.
This is not history.
So, Jesus Christ should be able to provide us with scientific evidence of his current existence.
Unless, you are saying that Jesus Christ is dead, then I will accept that once upon a time there was a Jew who started talking sh1t to powerful people and they executed him for it.
No different from Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Patrice Lumumba, JFK, Bobby Kennedy and many other humans who started to say the wrong things and were assassinated one way or another.
This is believable.
Zombies rising from the dead and walking around isn't.
And so dumb
He is a great speaker but theologically poisonous.
You only need listen to the man speak to know that he is not dumb. In fact, I would guess that his IQ is 50-60 points higher than yours!
@@mr.dennis5503 Pastor Voddie doesn’t know the difference between the scientific method and the history method. His answer was nonsense.
He speaks so elegantly, would be an honor to meet this man
He has to talk pretty so that you don't notice he's spewing bullshit.
haha bobby gets it
And yet, he hemmed and hawed and prevaricated so much in answer to the simple question that it was painfully evident that he did not have a real answer.
indeed; which is why I am somewhat perturbed that someone's poor taste of adding superfluous music is being allowed. I am certain when he is preaching a sermon, they do not play music in the background!
"THE TRUTH IS IN JESUS" (Ephesians 4:21)
Prove it.
@@johnl4933 ask him
@@johnl4933 Well for one, in an atheist world view theres no such thing as absolute morals. No justification why we shouldnt kill your neighbor. I believe that morals exist but they dont if theres no God
@@mattverville9227 "absolute morals"
What are absolute morals?
This was a very good answer!!! I’m gonna save this for when folks ask me this. Awesome!!
Im a nonbeliever, And I agree 100% with what he said. When i ask for evidence or proof, my expectation of proof would be similar to a judge in a courtroom. If you told a judge in a courtroom that a serpent had a verbal conversation with a lady that was created from a rib of a sleeping man, what kind of evidence would you provide to the Judge to support the claim?
And you will sound just ass ignorant as this man just did historical figures in the past can be proven like past presidents you cannot prove anything true that was written in the Bible not the same as proving wheater George Washington existed or not stop letting these ministers destroy your thinking ability
Is this a challenge? Are you ready?
@@She_iswise Yes
@@oldschool5 My comments aren’t going through
A few days ago when I was evangelizing, someone asked me the same thing and my answer was close to what the wise pastor said. I asked the gentlemen if he witnessed the founding fathers signing the Declaration and how does he know the signatures are real? He looked at me quizzically. The same faith one has for historians, I told him my faith is deeper for God who wrote the Bible. Then there's plenty of prophecy that's been fulfilled. Jesus is King.
Yep, we have no corroborating evidence for the Declaration of Independence, or for World War I (and soon World War II) and the Civil War or any of the events of past history, so of course they are all imaginary. Yep, anything that happened in the past for which I was not present did not really happen. I was not here for the building of this house, so obviously it does not........wait a minute, it does exist! I have independent tangible evidence, something not available for the supernatural claims of the bible.
@stevepierce6467 It's very easy to corroborate. The Bible itself is an independent corroboration of many different witness accounts from multiple sources from different ethnic backgrounds. It's not the monocultural work that atheists always (predictably and laughably) claim it is. It is literally an amalgam of Greek and Hebrew historians, travelers, documentarians, rulers, and chroniclers with their own accounts of what happened.
You won't find a historian with any credibility that would doubt the veracity of the Bible, because doing so would be to deny history itself...and that would be a very stupid thing for a historian to do.
@@theusher2893 No one doubts that the bible records many important events in the history of the Middle East. For what there is no supporting evidence at all are the stories in supernatural things claimed to have happened, some of which are indeed rehashings and reformulations of much earlier stories and myths from earlier ethnic groups and religious traditions.
If there were supernatural elements to the narrative of the Founding Fathers, then people may be more skeptical.
I don’t doubt that Jesus existed. I DO doubt all the supernatural elements of his existence.
@@theusher2893 I cannot find my post to which you are responding, but if I repeat something I said earlier, no prob.
I am presently reading a World War II spy thriller by Alan Furst. It mentions many people and places which existed and still exist and events which took place. I know this because I can find independent corroboration from other sources. However, it is a work of fiction, which means that the events surrounding the main characters never took place except in the imagination of Furst. There is independent corroboration anywhere of any of the depictions of supernatural events described in the bible. And you hit one nail on the head, the bible is literally an amalgam of previous Greek and Roman and other earlier religious mythology. Every single book of fiction has many elements of credible verifiable reality, even Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, but that does not make them "true" as you would want us to see the bible.
Yes, Voddie Baucham is absolutely a blessing.
What a golden nugget of truth! Excellent answer.
More like a golden nugget of poop.
@@taylorthetunafish5737 Fools despise wisdom because they willingly exchange the God of the universe for things that are corruptible and temporary.
Truth? Based on what, fiction?
@@Spiritof_76 did you watch the video or just come straight to the comments?
@@tylerlee549 I watched all the way through. Where was the truth part? The bible isn't historical or it wouldn't be full of supernatural beings and myths.
As a Christian I always say our faith and Hope in Christ comes 100% from God .. if a man asks for evidence and signs and all kinds of evidence.. it could be God has not yet revealed themselves to that person.. this is why it is a Belief or Faith . if we had solid proof it would never be a belief .. it would be " I know" and not "I believe" .. these distinctions should be made ..
I got all the proof I need right here inside
I hope you are never on the jury considering my case.
When they asked Jesus for proof,what was His answer? He said if you do not believe the words I speak believe the works I do. When John the Baptist asked if He was the one Jesus told them to go back and tell John that the blind see the deaf hear the sick are healed. The gospel is not in word only but in power. Miracles are still happening today.
The music is so distracting. Don't need it!
I would plainly say this. Folks who ask us believers these questions don’t actually want proof. No. They simply just want to argue to prove a point about God non-existence. Personally I don’t have time to entertain it. If you want evidence that bad go look for it on your own.
Wow this is so simple and brilliant!
You have have Zero concept the explanatory powers of science. 🤭 Do you know how a paternity test works ? It gives us the power to be able to identify family lineage back through time .
So for example we could establish your parentage without even being there in the back of the car on that drunken sweaty night. Although to be fair it would be slightly more complicated than usual given the sheer number of males present that could have potentially been responsible and your mother also being your sister. 😂😂😂😂
so simple and so silly.
Nothing brilliant about it, but the simple part was correct. 🫣
@@Polimuni No, not silly, but just factual.
@@trumpbellend6717 I don't think that the OP or Voddie Baucham is claiming that science doesn't have ANY explanatory power in terms of what happened in the past.
What Voddie Baucham is arguing against is the philosophical belief called Scientism. Roughly, scientism is the view that the hard sciences-like chemistry, biology, physics, and astronomy-provide the ONLY genuine knowledge of reality. At the very least, this scientific knowledge is vastly superior to what we can know from any other discipline. Ethics and religion may be acceptable, but only if they are understood to be inherently subjective and regarded as private matters of opinion. According to scientism, the claim that ethical and religious conclusions can be just as factual as science, and therefore ought to be affirmed like scientific truths, may be a sign of bigotry and intolerance.
As an aside any time you begin a conversation with "YOU HAVE NO IDEA!" out of the gate you are probably gonna lose any person you are talking to to persuade them to your view.
If you want to read a full book-length treatment of scientism I highly recommend "Scientism and Secularism" by Dr. J.P. Moreland.
The birth of a man so influencial that the powers to be changed our recognized calendar.
The written accounts of Jesus, his life, his crucifixion and ultimately his resurrection as witnessed by many including his apostles, who each betrayed him on his crucifixion, but seeing him after his resurrection is powerful enough.
The fact that each and every apostle never recounted the truth, and by such suffered until death tells us all we should need to know.🙏✝️🙏
You should need to know a lot more than that. Don't sell yourself and our species short. The calendar is what it is because some powerful humans ruled their nations and made some decisions.
@@Spiritof_76 Would you die for a lie? Let alone when your previous faith says that people who worship a false God will suffer eternal damnation? Would you betray a God you believed in for a made up God? Maybe someone could but how about thousands of people doing that very exact thing? Was something in the water? We have extrabiblical records of these things happening at that time so we know they died for their belief. All they had to do was say, "No, I don't believe in Christ". Their lives would've been spared. That is not the reason I believe but it is strong evidence that there was a man who did just what the Bible said he did. I believe because events and circumstances in my own life that cannot be explained naturally.
@@chucktowne People die for their country all the time. It's happening somewhere right now. But tacking on some supernatural mumbo jumbo about the son of the supreme deity "needing" to preach, and to die to absolve the sins of everyone, and it turns out to be the deity himself, sort of but not really, that's not even believable or logical. Leaders of movements have convinced their followers to die within memorable recent history, even for something as absurd as hitching a ride on an alien ship following a comet. Your example isn't that rare.
@@Spiritof_76 Well, it actually is that rare though. There has never been anything like Christianity before or since!
@@chucktowne There were only the 1000s of denominations that split off, including the Mormons and Jehovah witnesses which are quite different than mainstream protestants, and Islam which is nearly the same as christianity. People dying for a cause is not rare at all, and dying for a cult has been on historical repeat.
The one thing that proves Christ Jesus is the Truth,Solution,and in the bible. Sharing where we were at what happened, where we are at and where we are going. And to speak the truth about Christ Jesus, his word, his presence, his grace and mercy and experiencing a Love and acceptance that gives life..Drink the water he gives we stop thirsting..The water the world provides only temporal satisfaction.. always need more. The water he gives brings eternal life, faith Hope, His water never will we thirst again
Praise Jesus
The ultimate proof will occur on Judgement Day when atheists, scoffers, Muslims, Hindus, the sexually immoral, the violent cry in pain, despair and fear as they plead for their lives in front of the Final Judge. They will kneal, not out of reverence, but out of desperation when they realize they are condemned to hell in the Lord's justifiable wrath. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
@@Tonyanevangelistthe sad thing is they will reject and rebel against the spirit of truth revealing the Truth namely Christ Jesus in hell as well. Just like there Father Satin.
Glory to Yeshua
Jesus Christ is Lord of all!
Jesus.
That’s right. Yeshua is the name for Jesus that is found in scripture. I believe Jesus is the Greek translation.
@@JoeandAngie Yeshua is simply the name we find in scripture. Jesus is a translation from Greek if I remember correctly.
Peter was talking about our testimony. Be ready to tell your testimony. Tell them why you're happy and joyful while your going through a desert place. Peace that passes all understanding. He took our punishment debt penalty and nailed to the cross clothed in His righteousness Amen 🙏 🙌 👏🏽
Love them, and let your life be the proof
Way easier to say than do btw, I do understand that
Voddie is a blessing.
Please take out the music.
"For those with faith, no evidence is necessary; for those without it, no evidence will suffice."
Thomas Aquinas
If what you call evidence was presented by islam, will U call it evidence? You hypocrite
whats with the music it is terebble
Terrible*
Rev. Voddie is a true Christian. He must be kept in our prayers
He does nothing but make excuses for why he can’t provide any evidence.
Music makes this look like a performance.
Amen, God is Love and His Word is Truth. He is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. The IAM is always in the present.
You have to love Voddie’s logic! He is one dedicated man!
The best analogy I heard was from a Catholic priest. He said God is the author of the book and we are all characters within it. God is external to the story and people in the book.
If you insist on using music, at least set it at a lower volume (try between -6 dB -12dB) so it does not distract from this great content.
You are the distraction to those discussing...
Atheist will rely on any fallacy to deny the self-evident God of creation. Good answer VB, your wisdom has helped me tremendously, may God bless you & your familiy always!
Well said
Thanks for the tip
Please, please, please stop dubbing music over the videos. It's awful!
Just not appropriate.
It's not you're overreacting
This is a great pastor/teacher 🙏🏻
This short video was a big blessing to me. Thank you.
What an eloquent speaker. You can see the truth in his eyes.
Are you that easily deceived? You see the truth in his eyes? I don't. And I consider him a liar. Why? Very simple: he is making claims, but he cannot provide evidence-and to make things worse, he will ask you to have "faith". If he had evidence for his claims, why not present them? Why faith? Faith is the excuse people give when there IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE! THEY LIE TO YOU! Anyone out there, demanding you must have faith-is a liar. And their biggest lie is that some magical being chose to make you a sinner and that you should repent. They only want to keep you from THINKING for YOURSELF!
Nice words are not always true-true words are not always nice.
@@18dot7exactly these Christian’s are just mute laughing stock in my opinion.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE PREACHERS, LEARNED SO MUCH FROM HIS MINISTRY ❤❤❤
What have you learned
@@oldschool5 from Voddie's ministry you can learn alot. From this short clip you will not. I'm actually wondering the point of this clip. It's certainly not what I'm used to from his speaking of truth.
@@Closereveryday I actually agree and respect what he said in this clip
@oldschool5 I learned that there is no such thing as a sinners prayer. I learned that this walk is daily and that carrying your cross ✝️ isn't easy but Jesus didn't say it would be. I learned that sin is to miss the mark which true beleivers do every day but we recognize it and repent. I learned that iniquity is one who has a depraved heart and means a conscious decision to proceed without repentance, and to be a transgressor is to choose to intentionally disobey; its willful trespassing. I know true faith means obedience to God's Word and it produces fruits of righteousness. I know that I deserves God wrath but Christ took it on so I didn't have to and out of love and a grateful heart, I surrender my will to his to conform daily to his image to become a better woman, mother and friend daily. And that is just the beginning. ❤️❤️❤️
@cathyl8675 I assume the point is to go and watch the entire sermon and to research his messages then God can speak to you thru the message. 🤔❤️
Point is..I was done hopeless broken and out of options.. People, places,things came around and about in this order all breathing hope and invested,interested, and patient. Walked a mile in my shoes. All sharing or showing Gods grace and fuelled a purpose to surrender. The Helper came, am content in all circumstances and situations today. And my future does not have a conclusion. Imagine that... Everyone I engage with today created in his image everything I need to sustain me and experience in this world ,came from someone, somewhere, not from nothing, nowhere. And he is still creating.. I'm a new creation and so to are all my brothers and sisters in his body. ...
The supernatural fulfillment of biblical prophecy confirms God's word and crushes all other claims.
Untenable claim. No one has proven the fulfilment of any prophecies. And old book CLAIMS they have been.
@@18dot7 First, it seems a basic understanding of prophecy is needed.
"Prophecy" is the noun, and "to prophesy" is the verb.
To prophesy is simply to pronounce prophecy. Prophecy, at its most fundamental meaning, is “a message from God.” Hence, to prophesy is to declare a message from God.
Let's look at the definition for each for more clarification:
Prophecy: Noun
"a prediction; the faculty, function, or practice of prophesying."
Prophesy: Verb
"to utter by or as if by divine inspiration; to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge."
In short, we can describe prophecy as the message and prophesy as delivering that message.
The great prediction, which runs like a golden thread through the whole contents of the Old Testament, is that regarding the coming and work of the Messiah, the great use of prophecy was to perpetuate faith in His coming and to prepare the world for that event. But there are many subordinate and intermediate prophecies also which hold an essential place in the great chain of events that illustrate God's Sovereignty and all-wise overruling providence.
With that said, there is no question that regardless of what prophecy I provided, you will scoff at, criticize, highly doubt, and most likely end in another question or sarcastic remark.
Nevertheless, I will provide a couple, and leave you to do the research.
Genesis 3:15
15I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspringe and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”
(note: this reveals God’s redemptive plan and clearly depicts Christ defeating the enemy at the cross.)
Psalm 22 - Depicts the Crucifixion of Christ 1000 years prior to his death and during a time in which there was no such thing as crucifixion. Christ even calls out on the Cross telling all who will hear go look at the scripture, for it is fulfilled.
The Psalm speaks of the crucifixion in detail, as well as the events which unfolded during it.
These are but 2 of many prophecies in the Bible. These are not interpretations but can clearly be seen if one takes the time to understand it.
Psalm 22
1{To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.} My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
(Note: These words are uttered by Christ on the cross and for good reason. He is telling all that will listen, go, look- it is Fulfilled.) He is pointing to Psalm 22. Why this psalm? Psalm 22 depicts the crucifixion of Christ.
However, the fascinating thing is that it was written 1000 years prior to the death of Jesus. Moreover, it depicts events during the crucifixion. Still even more compelling is that crucifixion had not been invented at the time of the prophecy.)
6But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
(note: Christ was despised by the pharisees)
14I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
(Note: This is Christ on the cross, bones disjointed. His chest weighted into his bowls due to the crucifixion )
Psalm 22:7All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
(note: this occurred 1000 years later, see Luke below)
Luke 23: 36And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, 37And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.
Luke 23
34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
36And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, 37And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.
--
All praise and glory to Christ Jesus, KING of Kings, and LORD of Lords.
🔥🌷
There is no proof of anything supernatural ever happening anywhere ever.
Laws.
Laws of logic
Laws of morality
Laws of physics
They were around then and they're around now.
This absolutely Blow my mind, excellent respond 👍🏼
Extraordinary claims provide extraordinary evidence.
The music is super annoying
I barely noticed it and kinda liked it after you mentioned it 🤷♂️
Is that secular music? Can't say I recognize the tune that glorifies our God.
@@uslanjathe music was probably added later. Maybe not. Regardless, if that's what you got out of it, may God bless you with more wisdom and more desire to glorify Him instead of yourself.
This pastor is worshipping God by sharing biblical truth. It's about God, not us. And this man is certainly giving glory to God by sharing his faith, sharing the truth, and giving knowledge to others to do the same.
Glory and praise to God. May He keep blessing this man and his ministry.
I believe the Bible because I know and trust the Author.
How do you know the author? Because the bible tells you? Why not just admit it's blind faith?
@@richardgregory3684 When you have a relationship with someone, you get to know them. You don't have a relationship with Him, therefore you don't know Him. But you can if you want to.
Even the scholars dont know who the author is
@@oldschool5 Any scholars who are true Christians know who the Author is.
@@bobbyadkins6983 not true.
I agree 100% with what he said. When i ask for evidence or proof, my expectation of proof would be similar to a judge in a courtroom. If you told a judge in a courtroom that a serpent had a verbal conversation with a lady that was created from a rib of a sleeping man, what kind of evidence would you provide to the Judge to support the claim?
@oldschool5 BRAVO ... I doubt that many of those here applauding this CLUMSY side-step that Voddie did will understand how vacant his so-called response really is
The New Testament is the evidence to support the Old Testament. Jesus knew the OT to be true, and it's evident that Jesus is indeed God, as He claimed. So if you familiarize yourself with the NT, the OT becomes much clearer.
@@evage99 I'm very familiar with both testaments but Jesus knowing about the talkin serpent doesnt prove the talkin serpent was really talking.
@@evage99 You should realize that YOU are committing the basic LOGICAL fallacy of presenting an argument from authority
Using the Bible to prove the Bible is a NON-STARTER in primary debate class
@@billreed6909 i dont like the evidentiary method of defending bible. I like to make atheist realize that they cant make sense of the world with logic, reasoning, or even have science without God. An atheist worldview doesnt explain induction and the uniformity of nature so how can you have science? Atheist dont have any absolute moral values so theres no reason i shouldnt kill my neigbor if he gets mad. Atheist cant make sense of the world. Thats how you prove God not with evidentuary method
Excellent answer!
It boils down to faith.
thats not biblical unfortunately. Believers are given a command to have an answer for your faith. Saying because you have faith is not a good answer. You should learn some apologetics. The faith answer is actually part of the problem with turning non believers into believers. Have a great day
He's right...
The holy Ghost baptism!! God's personal witness - the irrefutable proof that Jesus accomplished his mission on earth and is both Lord and Christ.
How does that differ from a Muslim experience ? Or a Buddhist and his nirvana? They think their experience is irrefutable as well.
Baptism is a pagan ritual practiced by pagans way before Jesus was born? Why is Jesus participating in pagan rituals?
The holy Ghost always comes with a sound.
You can't repent and not receive the holy Ghost 😉
@@TheSpiritistheWitness Well there you go, a sound. You must be right.
That’s some excellent gish-galloping. I’m actually impressed.
Proof of God is creation. As in Romans 1:20, the evidence for God can be “clearly seen”. Just as a building demands a builder, creation demands a Creator. A painting is evidence for a painter, and a book is sufficient evidence for an author. So we have evidence as we can observe in creation and the universe. Furthermore, given such evidence, we are “without excuse” and “willfully ignorant” if we choose to pretend it isn’t there.
Well said
No that’s not proof.
@@therick363 Of course it is. We can clearly see it, therefore we are "without excuse" if we ignore it.
@@CiscoWes no it’s not proof because you haven’t actually proven it nor demonstrated it nor connected it. It seems like you don’t understand the difference between proof and evidence.
"Proof of God is creation."
Oh boy,,, first of all, now you'd have to prove that said god exists. Then you would have to prove said god "created" the universe. How did it pull that off? After all, if it was the only thing in existence "by then"-it was hovering in... NOTHINGNESS?! What did it use to create the universe? Magical powers?
"As in Romans 1:20"
Are you aware of the fact that it is not known who wrote the contents of the bible? Why should I believe anything some nameless goat herder wrote 2000 years ago?
"Just as a building demands a builder, creation demands a Creator."
But that begs the question-what created said creator? And why?
See, your infantile world view gives rise to more questions rather than answering any.
Learn the prophecies about Christ, Cyrus, Daniel, Revelation etc
STOP that ridiculous and annoying music, Voddie’s voice is enough!
Seek and ye shall find.
STOP WITH THE MUSIC.
This from Voddie is life changing
When it comes to history, you use the evidentiary method to look at different things such as reliability and collaboration of sources, internal and external evidence of sources, whether it is falsifiable, and whether other things are contradicting or confirming it. These are the areas in which the evidences that point to the trustworthiness of the Bible are strong. In fact, stronger than any other ancient historical event. These historical documents from the Bible go back as early as AD 120, and there are over 6,000 manuscripts or portions of manuscripts. For ancient writings, this is an impressive amount of evidence. For Aristotle’s poetics, there are only a dozen manuscripts, the closest date being over 1,000 years after the original. The best example in terms of number of sources is Homer’s Illiad, having a few hundred manuscripts, but still the earliest manuscript being written over 2,000 years after the original writing. The Bible is by far the most reliable collection of manuscripts in terms of the number of sources and how closely they date back to the originals. If the Bible can’t be trusted as an ancient document than no other ancient writing can come even close to being accepted as trustworthy.
Please stop with the music. I'm unsubscribing for now
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The answer behind this question is the belief that we choose God. Many are called but few are CHOSEN. So the premise of the question does not understand God or what it means to be saved. To be chosen is to be saved but without humility, repentance and the ability to turn back from sin and turn to Jesus, you cannot be saved. It is a response to a call. It is He that chooses us, not we who choose Him. Faith is a gift from God. Faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God. The Spirit also speaks but He has not spoken to the person who had the question.
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Sorry dear but i actually care about the truth of my beliefs so I have no use for "faith." Instead I use FACTS and EVIDENCE to determine reality.
Knowledge of FACTS, also called "propositional knowledge", is defined as true belief that is distinct from opinion or guesswork by virtue of justification. A "FACT" is a point of data that is objectively verifiable ( demonstrable ) Absent "Facts" one has only the opinion or guesswork and no justification to claim such knowledge.
Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜 Your "faith" is no more reliable or valid than the faith used by followers of Zeus, Thor, Allah, Buddah, Mithrah, Dionysius or any one of a thousand other man made "Gods". Obviously if "faith" can be used to believe in God *X* and also used to believe in God *Y* then faith is NOT a reliable pathway to truth.
_"where there is evidence no one speaks of "faith" - we do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round_ _We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence"_
- *Bertrand Russell*
@@trumpbellend6717 Hebrews 11:6
READ IT
This is what happens when you listen to men and ignore the word of God. Voddie and ALL cessationists add to scripture and deny the Spirit. They say, "because I haven't seen it, it doesn't exist" never realizing they do not have eyes that see nor ears that hear. They prefer to speak than listen. They worship men.
@@daysofnoah
Yawn "my magic book is true because my magic book says so" hardly convincing dear. 🤭🤣 I don't need to _"deny the spirit"_ dear YOU need to demonstrate it actually exists 🤫
@@daysofnoah
How can a god who deems the belief he exists to the exclusion of any other God vital think it appropriate we use the unreliable "faith" to ascertain said "correct" God??
@@daysofnoah
I ask you, is "faith, a reliable method of determining ANYTHING...... *YES or NO* ? 🤔
These three things remain..Faith, Hope and Love. Hard to grasp, understand or except this Truth..The new heart creation gifted agrees. And Ain't moving..The flesh not so much..Fear not the good works he began in us..He will finish it...watch this ❤
Faith and Hope are kind of synonymous in my opinion. I would never use faith unless my situation is so dire that I can't use evidence, or sound reasoning to solve the problem, but I still have no other choice. Love can also be a bad thing if our love blinds us to the truth. Love can be toxic if the person neglects other priorities for it.
@@Dandy_Atheist And I get it...I will never forget where I came from...Atheist, Disinterested, an Intellectual, philosophing, dissecting, reasoning, needing evidence or witnesses as a means of conclusion...To decide , pursue, convict, determine how I should respond,react, establish the winning formula for success,peace, satisfaction and a positive self identity,self image...Love isn't Toxic..It always forgives, doesn't keep account of wrongs done, never offended, ect. Love isn't Toxic.. Humanity's depraved condition is toxic...Anyways not sure why you are on a Christian website...
@@user-xg4ij5uk7u "I will never forget where I came from... Atheist, Disinterested,... ... Determining how I should respond,react, establish the winning formula for success, peace,... ... Self image..." What are you saying here, that you were an atheist and that was how you saw things? That's not how I see it. Love can be toxic. I am not saying that it's always toxic, but the person who loves the other person or thing can be harmed as a result of their bias for that person or thing, and it can harm the recipient of love. Would it help if I used examples?
@@Dandy_Atheist Feel free..You and your life is important.. I'll be listening...
@@user-xg4ij5uk7u As I said earlier love isn't toxic, but like anything it can be toxic. These examples are relevant to true love, and twisted love. Examples of love being toxic: Person A murders person B and the witness is person C. Person C loves person A. When the murder is investigated person C covers for person A. - People make exceptions for love.
Person A is in group A, and person A loves group A. In fact Group A is perfect to person A and they think it shouldn't change. Person B from group B also loves group A so much they are abandoning group B and joining group A. Person A no longer loves group A because, group A is changing now that it has B's in it. - People can create double binds for love of their groups.
Person A loves person C. Person C cheats on person A with person B. Person A finds out from person B, but denies it and defends person C, calling person B a liar. - people can get cognitive dissonance due to being blinded by love. Countries have been won and lost due to romantic decisions and being seduced.
Need I go on?
Thank you for the excellent video 😊
The Lord’s love + grace be with you
Hope you are all well and resting in Jesus saving love + grace 😊
Blessings friends 😊
The living God that I worship proves his existence with signs, wonders and miracles.
Voddie Baucham clearly worships a different God.
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I love Voddie.
Voddie was right in the beginning when he addressed the idea of why we have faith. Proof of history would be how we have faith in Biblical history and the Bible as true. To go down that latter road is a dead end. "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." This world is not what is true. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
The historical accuracy of the bible has *ZERO* relevance to its authenticity. Even if the bible were written by mere ordinary superstitious primative tribesmen. They would still know about towns , places, people , leaders kings ect . That's the very LEAST we would expect.
Herodotus wrote about life in 500bc he spoke of real people and places does that mean his works are inspired of god ??? Of course not .
If some future archeological dig discovered the ruins of New York and the empire state building would they be justified in thinking *KING KONG* was therfore real ???? Nonsense.
The ruins of the city of Troy have been discovered, does that therefore mean that a whole pantheon of God's live on Mount Olympus?? ? 🤭
There is no archeological evidence for anything supernatural only the normal mundane stuff we find with everything else. Almost every fictional book ever written will contain references to real places and people even Harry Potter it means nothing.However if there were historical INACCURACIES (and there are lots ) that's a different story.
When was jesus born for example ? Because the historical evidence disagrees alarmingly with the bible on that for starters. Quirinius's census we know conclusively did not occur until 6 ad not 3 years before the death of herod but several years after. And yes I know there was more than one herod, I can go into detail if you like about how we know exactly which one it was and can cross reference with Mathew ect.
You speak of "Righteous judgment" but I'm rather skeptical of the god of biblical narratives ability to even comprehend the word. For when he aledgedly destroyed Soddom and Gomorrah killing EVERYONE for being "immoral" ( including babies & children ) he spared Lot and his daughters.
He discribed him as a "Righteous" & Good man But an omniscient god would know *IN ADVANCE* that Lot would immediately proceed to have drunken intimate relations with HIS OWN DAUGHTERS 🤮🤮 not once but two nights running !!!!
Are these the kind of morals we should aspire to ?? Do these people deserve to be called *"RIGHTEOUS"* and be spared when children and babies are slaughtered for being "immoral" ??
Just what was their punishment from god for this act ? Fireballs from the skies ?? Turned to a pillar of salt ??
No, perhaps execution was the punishment like when a man gathers stick on the wrong day of the week ??
Nope I remember now *NOTHING* for god obviously thought drunken intimate relations with your own daughters a misdemeanor in comparisons to the gathering of sticks. 🤮🤮
If you have evidence you don't need faith.
Admire Voddie hugely. He makes a really good point here.
Science has a method that he outlines.
Law has a different set of rules-we can't observe the alleged murder and don't want to repeat it. And in many jurisdictions you can't use hearsay evidence.
In History sometimes hearsay is all you have.
Asking for scientific proof for events around Jesus' life for example shows a complete lack of understanding of these different types of evidence.
Worth remembering that some 20th century scientist/philosophers-some of the Logical Positivists-claimed that you could observe one piece of metal expanding under heating, but you don't know for sure an identical piece will unless you test that one, and all others-making the whole process quite absurd.
Matthew 18:16 and Deuteronomy 19:15....even 2 Corinthians 13:1 kjv.
Citing an old book does not prove anything. Next time, fail better.
@@18dot7 multiple witnesses.
The Holy Spirit convicts..Lets scatter seeds..Let the Gardener have something to work with..Christ Jesus lives.. That's the Truth..Be patient with those whom he is wouing also those still struggling❤
Jus pick up what the auther is putting down. The Body of Christ Jesus needs the supporting members to support...Not complicated..A body divided, members self interested is not well❤
all my mind is “hearing” is the music 😢 I know it’s a popular thing to do with CZcams clips, but please just let his words resonate! ❤️
I like the music.
Wonderful response to that question!!
It's an experience that will change your life for the better❤
You try smoking you will experience a short of breath
You give someone a chance they will either help you or bring you down
You exercise and eat well you will experience seeing yourself in a different light etc...Try the Lord Jesus Christ and see for yourself❤❤❤❤❤
You lay hands on people and pray that they feel the Lord on them, you can give testimony, you can give facts about the bible and how all of its intertwined prophetic words have come true and none of them contradict each other.....but eventually each person has to make the leap of faith. Many will turn away the truth and few will listen and understand and turn to God. If someone isn't willing to make the leap move on to someone else...perhaps the Lord will plant a seed in them and another time or another person will lead them to Him.
Right, there has to be some point where the person thinks "there is no evidence that this is true, I am just going to believe it is."
Same for Islam, Krishna and Buddha. Same issues for any religion. No evidence, you have to decide it is true.
Good thing that's not the case with Christianity @@joestfrancois
@@zachwackchannel wrote "Good thing that's not the case with Christianity @joestfrancois "
LOL! What is different? How you feel about it? That fails miserably. Paul in the New Testament wrote "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
Paul said your evidence is believing it without evidence. Which is exactly the very same evidence every other religion has.
Good thought out reply.
Hence the Gospel of Thomas.
I was lost walked into a swamp.. I saw the obvious stale stinky water dead trees in and around no sign of life..Then after crying out for mercy begging Christ Jesus to help me that I was Done..walked into the same swamp with the helper..All of a sudden I see and hear a shimmering bullfrog chirping, moist moss hit by the sun revealing countless diamonds..more patient suddenly a beaver stick in its mouth making a wake threw the scum I devalued.. Point is Jesus and this helper sharpening my focus..I realized whatever we are looking for, thinking this is what I am going to find....Looking for the beauty today...watch this.. Comments on the music...realiy...Focus.
Reasons versus facts. Many go on probability not knowing what is and not possible.
Well said Voddie
I love that, very nice!
People believe what they WANT to believe whithout being able to proof it, that's hallusinating
You don't need proof to believe, but you do need proof to know.
I need proof to believe. I'm not going to believe in something there is no evidence for.
There is a study showing that when believers read the bible 4 times a week (look it up) there is a change in behavior,less likely to sin as bad. Power of God's word in believers is proven. Fallow the proof-convert,believe. The bible says sanctify through thy truth,thy word is truth. I recommend experimenting with being a true believer and reading or listening to the kjv bible at least half an hour for a week or 2. You will probably notice/see the increased spiritual growth,sanctification and know christianity is true. At least for me I noticed these things (and of those around me)after i started listening to the word of God a lot. When believers read the holy word of God it goes into them and stays. And there is archeology of the bible also.
@@TheJonah121212 Sounds like a study that you made up.
I love my brother Voddie Baucham and I can never get enough of his talks. But in this case, there is more, little Brother... There is proof beyond human science. For human science is beneath the capability of giving proof of God... There is only one person that can give you proof of God, prior to the end of all life... God Bless
When asked for proof, Christians always turn into Bill Clinton with the old “it depends on what the definition of is is” nonsense.
Jesus had eye witnesses. paul , only himself . Obey the teachings of Jesus and the Father ,only !
Romans 1:18-20, "18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse"
Stupid cite from a stupid old book written by unknown goat herders. YAWN! Ain't got nothing better? And such nonsense makes you believe magical beings exist? How old are you? FIVE?
King James Bible
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands.
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Nothing like skirting an issue.
Good answer.
We are not called to prove anything, nor sell The Lord or even argue we are here to live it and share it, a light in the Darkness, The Spirit calls who he calls.
How do you reconcile that attitude with the Great Commission? All believers are called to "Go ye therefore" and make disciples of all nations.
@@Loki1620 A disciple is not the same as a convert. The church has forgotten for the most part how to do this which is why so few Christians actually know the Bible the way we should.
@@jamesmoss5675 so?!
Be the example and make disciples!
@@Loki1620 I have much more studying to do and when the Lord wants me to do something different than what he has placed me to do currently Im sure he will equip me to do whatever it is he would have me do.
@@Loki1620 We each have a role to play and not all are called and equipped to do this, but I do take your point and agree with it the change that's needed starts with ourselves.
It's not faith if it has to be proven. Faith is believing in something that is improved
Right they want scientific evidence for everything in the Holy Scriptures, it is crazy that people only put that kind of criteria on the Holy Scriptures.
Side Note: Music was a terrible choice, it was distracting at best. Harmed the video. ;)
So the TL;DR is: Assert what people mean by proof, and then misrepresent how Science works, (as if it hasnt been observed, never happened) then brings up a court room as a method of establishing proof, and then finished by not answering the question.
What would you say to someone who insists you need proof for "Biblical Truths" By not giving any, and telling them what he thinks they mean by proof. Amazing Thinker! I am impressed!
It's not a question of the historical accuracy of events depicted int he bible, its about the use of the Bible as a predictor of future events.
Wow, stumble
TA-DOW!
The word Voddie is searching for is "convention". The scientific method is merely one of the tools mankind has at its disposal to extract Truth and to learn and to grow, but it is not the only tool available, nor is it always the appropriate tool for every situation, as demonstrated by Voddie. To say that something must not be "true" because it cannot be proven scientifically is preposterous.
That's why we cannot prove a negative and the burden of proof is on those that make a positive claim. It is NOT down to me as an atheist to demonstrate a god does not exist, its the responsibility of those making the positive claim to present sufficient evidence ( something they seem unwilling or unable to do )
Not only does Christian soteriology demand belief without sufficient evidence but it depends we disregard the masses of scientific evidence that is in direct conflict with the biblical narrative.
The scientific evidence indicates that a snake has always lacked both the cognitive abilities and vocal chords required for speech as has a donkey. 😂😂😂 A man can NOT live in a "great fish", tribes of giants did NOT once inhabit the middle east along with witches demons, angel's, zombie's, demigod ect 😂🤣😅
The earth is NOT covered in a crystalline dome ( firmament ) that "keeps the waters out" nor does it have windows in it to "let the rain in" 😂😂 It does NOT contain both the sun and moon along with all the stars that the bible says can "fall to earth" ( most stars are many thousands of times bigger than the earth ) 😂😂😂😂
Man origins do NOT lie in a mud figurine instantly becoming a living breathing man and a rib becoming a woman only a few thousand years ago at the behest of a magical invisible being who thinks it moral to *"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"*
But hey if you disagree we could take turns presenting our testable, predictable, observable, falsefiable, peer reviewed evidence FOR our respective positions
Great video!
I believe because I have seen, I died and saw Jesus in Heaven and He saved me! I was a Buddhist and then an occultist for 15+ years, that is all deception and false. Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father, He makes us clean so we can appear before God. I liked this teaching, and encourage you to read the New Testament and see how many times Jesus said “I am”. Open your heart up to believe in Jesus as your Saviour and the Saviour of the World. 🥰🙏💖
Got any proof no i don’t think you do so what you just said only applies to you nobody else.
@@Johnathan1800
2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
12 For we do not commend ourselves again to you, but give you opportunity to boast on our behalf, that you may have an answer for those who boast in appearance and not in heart. 13 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; or if we are of sound mind, it is for you. 14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.
16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Proof is for the natural, not the supernatural.
I'm an atheist. I'm glad that he started by discussing proof. I don't think you can prove anything outside of mathematical equations. I couldn't prove to you that I exist if i was sitting right in front of you, because I can't be certain that I exist.
That's why "I think therefore I am". My only evidence for my existence is that I can think about my experience. This is why there are brute facts that we have to grant in order to determine what's true or not true.
Scientific evidence is how I determine if anything is real or true. Evidence either supports a claim, or it doesn't support a claim. I'm in agreement that it's observable, measurable, and repeatable.
Historical accounts are the best, most reliable way to determine if it's accurate how events happened, and people behaved, or what they thought if they shared their thoughts and were honest about them. The more evidence we have that supports a truth claim the more believable it is. The more separate coobarating documentation that exists the more believable the historical claim. Geology, paleontology, astrology, and archeology are scientific, not historical. Legal evidence sucks, because even if it's solid it can be rendered inadmissable, people can lie in testimony, and a bunch of other things can happen to aquit a guilty person or convict an innocent person. When popular court cases make the media, I reserve my judgement on their innocence, unless the evidence shown is undeniable.
I believe Socrates existed, and that George Washington was president, because of the multiple separate cooberating historical accounts.
I believe that some of the Bible is historically accurate, because some of the Bible has separate cooberating accounts. The parts of the Bible that I don't believe, are the parts that don't have multiple separate (separate as in not related to the Bible) cooberating accounts. I don't believe the parts of the Bible that make claims that aren't supported by scientific evidence. The extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.