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Age of Empires 3 - The power of the Janissaries
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- čas přidán 22. 02. 2009
- A vid that shows how strong the Janissaries are :) I didn't spend very much time on it, but enjoy anyways! :)
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"send in the hoop throwers, they know how to deal with janissaries." -Morgan Black
Omg that beautiful
Soldier:''Sir, we are surrounded!''
Captain:''Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!''
its a disadvantage being inside a circle m8 put them facing eachother
oi m9-1, got to get outside that triangle you live in
I agree, having them surrounded like that gave the janissaries a huge advantage.
Yeniçeriler gerçekten çok güçlü bir askeri birlikti. Yabancı bir oyunda Osmanlı Devletine de yer vermek çok hoş teşekkürler.
or u can just use 10 great bombards to finish them in 10 seconds
Well it's not surprising when you surround them.
There are some issues here.
1. The Janissaries had a terrain and placement advantage, they were on the outside and started close in position. There was no need for them to slowly get into position.
2. Its been years since i played but from memory musketeers were far more cost effective in terms of upgrades and initial costs than Janissaries.
2. Having been a Lieutenant Colonel at one point online i can tell you musketeers when upgraded are better than Janissaries easily and imperial musketeers more well rounded.
4. Within the first few months of playing AOE III online using basic musket strategies with English & Russians i was always able to beat ottomans often four times my own level.
I never lost on an ottoman player. The race in game is heavily overrated.
Unless you're in a 3 vs 3 or more where team mates can potentially carry you till late game ottomans are inefficient and weak. They're only decent late game.
disagree on 1 and 4. i thought about placement at first but i reckon it doesn't matter, could be wrong though. moreover as a frequent otto player i find otto better early than late game. after rush (which is what you usually do) it's hard to get eco going. with otto you generally want to close the game as early as possible, whereas with france for example, late game is desirable. also i'd beat you with otto ;)
Nope i tested with a friend we send 1 soldier both i had the jani and he had the muske and the jani won the battle just test it out in a game send them both agianst each other and let them fight exactly at the same time start the attack and you will see by your self
It's true that the Ottomans are often slow to boom, but they rule supreme in that field anywhere past late Colonial Age. Janissaries are probably the best value for the single pop slot they cost out of any unit and would beat a Musketeer any day, Redcoat or not. And yeh, placement is of little value, its more how many units attack an enemy unit at a time because killing enemies fast is clearly an advantage.
LEARN TO PLAY NOOB
***** Nice job commenting on a 2 year old thread. talk about necroing
seems to be 50 musketeer and 100 jannissaries
have you count them
jannissary are amazing such an early game unit yet so powerful i chose the ottomans in skirmish because of free villagers but ended up playing them for the powerful infantry the culture upgrades are also very useful
the jans had a strategic advantage in both battles, but the second one proves that they are superior in melee
Try something different to make sure it's not because of shooting angel :) .Musketers outside and Jan inside
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OSMANLI
Ottomans dark legacy.
They could steal your sons from you.
It is not stealing, it is taking to grow as a soldier or a statesman.
all world knows the ottoman is dark but not ottoman is not dark go look to ottoman history with your full eyes im ottoman to they are not barbarians.İf they became a barbarian now we got so many cities but look a medium/bigger area rightnow we losed some cities.Look that a ottoman king i forgot his name and a byzans king byzans king send them to a full of shits to ottomans what the ottomans do? ottomans send flowers and a mesagge name= every sends what eated
Emerland Sword turk ethnicist what an idiot there are lots of people like you
I like the cheering at the end of the battle!!
yeah its a nice AoE3 touch
love otto. they infantary are unique but janissaries are a complete soldier.
The Soldiers in the interior of the Circle are at a Disadvantage.A Head-on Normal Fight would have been More Fair.50 Janissaries cost 5000 Food and 1250 Coins while 50 Musketeers cost 3750 Food and 1250 Coins.So Musketeers are Cheaper plus they Deal more Ranged Damage but have 85 Less HP.The Lesser Amount of HP for the Musketeers also means that the Musketeers have less Chances of Success against the Janissaries but if the Cost of the all the Musketeers equaled to the Whole Amount of Resources required for 50 Janissaries(6250)then we are Talking about 50 Janissaries vs 62,5 Musketeers.Conclusion : Musketeers are Cheaper,Have better Ranged Damage and Better Against Cavalry(+ They will usually have a numerical Superiority Against Janissaries,but if they Have the Same or Less Numbers they will most likely lose)
@Bummblebee56 this actually doesn't contribute as much as you would think. it matters more if the surrounded unit is uses melee because it would mean that the units in the middle will not be able to attack but will get shot. for muskets, the jans are all in range.
Misleading title but still a good video. The jannisaries always had the musketeers surrounded so how is that a good way to show how strong they are?
***** lol i think position doesnt matter in aoe 3. i tried that.
+Tyler Crane this is not somekind of medieval shit. it doesnt matter. its GUNS. not medieval weapons. surounding would only mean u could shoot your own comrades... fuckin think with ur head. not your ass idiots
+eM Key Is a fking game, I don't think the game is programmed to account for position. Especially when you are talking about a game that is all the way back in 2006
Curtis I thats what im saying.. it doesnt matter how they stand
+eM Key It does though, the way they are placed means that there are more jannisaries shooting than musketeers since the musketeers are in a more crowded position, it'd be more fair if they were standing in lines one in front of the other, or better yet but not as interesting just pit a single unit of both and the winner is obviously the better unit
ret coat whit all cards for attack and armor are the best infanty
i think its cool how they cheer at the end, the first time i heard it when i played i was like wtf?
Players generally put infantries in front of the cannons for protecting them. That's why it's not easy to get cavalary units near cannons. But abus guns would have less trouble with the infantries protecting the cannons.
If you had the Ottomans within the circle and the rest on the outside, the opposite would have happened.
The people on the inside (the musketeers) couldn't shoot the Janissaries on the outside due to range while the Janissaries had full contact with the musketeers.
@Saxony4 Not talking about minutemen, i'm talking about the infantry troops. Like example the british redcoats.
the jannisaries are flanking the target from all sides. of course they'd win
they're so Good, they lost in the Battle of Vienna and still failed to Conquer Europe, and a tiny Island called Malta.
Why are you taking only 1 battle into consideration? LMAO
Of course he was going to win, he had the Musketeers boxed in...
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I bet it was like that Battle of Waterloo movie where the English had the French surrounded.
"Would you like to surrender?"
"MERDE!"
To be fair the jannisaries did completely surround the musketters, now if they were surrounded BY the musketeers and managed to fight them off that would be impressive.
@NotAnyoneSpecial agreed, and also the janissaries have about 80 more hitpoints and a bigger attack than musketeers when not upgraded. i would like to see janassaries vs. skirmishers
@TheWEBguyzContact this is true but in a rush situation you have to consider the timing. with russians, you cant start building a unit until you have the resources for all 5. for otto you can start when you have enough resource for 1 and by the time you have enough for 5, they will be made. + jans trains just as fast so you'll actually have like 15 jans v 20 strelets.
@eddieoxford I misunderstood then, i apologize... By the way, the ottomans lasted from 1299 to 1923..
With highest quality it looks like Janissaries are using Light sabers instead of scimitars.
True. Actually, if you want to see their real effect, put them against cannons. 5 abus guns can destroy a cannon by shooting once or twice. It's much more useful to use them rather than using cavalry units.
the reason janissaries win is because they are a mix between musketeers and skirmishers giving them a dmg bonus vs hev inf (musketeers)
Being circled leaves the Musketeers at a disadvantage.
Spahis, Jannisaries, and Great Bombards are some of the best I think.
Even so that they were surrounded the Musks had more of an Advantage, for 1 there were more. That, and they were bunched together on the edge of the circle. Which made it easier for mass targeting. Mass Targetting is the only way to win a battle without a large difference in troops, or an unfair battle such as Cavalry vs Cannons.
Janisarries are simply better units, and with unique upgrades they can even quickly construct field barracks on the go. Good for siege reinforcements.
Jan < Musketeer
i kinda thought i saw more janissaries moving in at the start that werent there originally
the big difference 'cos you win are these:
1. The position - It can appear stupid but the circle that the jannizeers compose is a help for them
2. Cost - 100 food an 25 gold for jann and 75 food and 25 gold for musketter.
3. Potience - The jannizeers are more also if the difference is very little and the musketters are abituated to rush with some arceers for defence...and janns have 235 points versus just 150 of the normal musk.
=)
you win for this! =)
Being surrounded literally means 1 musketeer shoots at 1 jani at maximum range but 4-5 janissaries could shoot at 1 musketeer.
A worthy demonstration, but when will a score a jans ever meet with a score of musks alone? those musks will usually have some falcs with them during the fortress age or maybe some LI's during the colonial age, or tall stone towers behind them. In most games, the jans always lose because they run out of resources sooner.
in short Ottoman Janissaries > all
ashigaru > all
Wictor Popov Janissaries better !
nah man. age 5 all upgrades, ashigaru screw even skirmishers, with daimyo and shogun.
Wictor Popov Yeah , ashigaru is better. The japan is a bit OP though.
Nah, Ashigarus are nothing special, just overrated, underpowered-in-melee Musketeers. Janissaries on the other hand defeat most units on 1-on-1 fights, can be further bolstered with Janissary Combat and Acemi Oğlan school helps one train them for cheaper. So, hands down Janissaries win.
Musketeers for the British can take out the Janissaries. All you have to do is up grade the Redcoats by the Advance arsenal. And shipment cards will do it'
The janissaries may lack in range compared to musketers but the janissaries have 500+ hp when they are imperial while the musketers have around 300...
the Janissaries keep respawning
Janis and Ottomans more generally are sooo OP at colonial and here the fight was even better for the janis because of the concave and the huge difference of HP btw janis and musks, playing a little online since 2 month and.. I HATE'EM !
@luipaardinho
Ottomans have abus guns, too. They might be considered as infantry, as well.
Awsome vid, try taking on fully upgraded Imperial Redcoats, I'm sure the result would be different.
well in the game there is something called MICRO which can make janisary cry easily without a huge push
first of all... the strategic placement of the janisaries helps a lot in the fight...
ever heard about .... SHIT WE'RE SURROUNDED ?
@Bummblebee56 if you look on AoE3 history, they say the musketeer and the janissarys are the same. but i dont know if thats true cuz i am not a janissary, just an regular turkish guy on the dang internet!
@rachelloverdog lol you mean jan > musketeer.
also...i disagree that mass targeting wins battles because it in fact wastes bullets on targets that are already dying. whereas the computer will generally spread out fire evenly among the enemy, which assures optimal efficiency.
mass targeting works with very small armies because if you kill one unit, its one less unit attacking you and you wont waste as many shots.
Hand- Jannies win
Gun- Jannies win
Fully upgraded with all shipments- Would be closer
dude you had the musketeers surrounded
@DillontehHAXer It's possible, but Skirmishers have low attack and defence, but with a long range to make up for it, the janissaries are just all round badasses.
1.Janissaries as twice as much as muscketeers
2.Janissaries are on the outside -> huge advantage !
3.If the point was that the janissaries are better,you're..let's say "a noob" !
You have to compare the unit cost per unit in the total view. This video clearly shows how strong the jans are, but remember the health they have and the negative side with it is that they cost more. Just wanted to say this so people dont compare them only from the stats, resources is the most important thing in a game :P But still, the Jans rock!:D
this isn't age of empires3 this is rise of leginds
yes i agree put the musketeers outside and see and upgrade them to imperial musketeers
@11ozzy11 yes we dont wanted istanbul or konstantinoupoli back.GREECE because we have democracy in this time, we do not have a policy of expansion as well and the Republic of Turkey
this proves nothing you should have but them both in a line to know the true results
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Burak 16.yüzyılın ikinci yarısından sonra yeniçeriler devşirmelerden değil Türk lerden oluşuyordu. Küfür etmene gerek yoktu
i did this same exact thing with 5 more musketeers and did what you said put the musketeers on the outside of the ring and there were mor janisarries left then there was in this video
Good memories, man
Advantage or not a 1 v 1 janissary - musketeer atleast in a shootout would result in the janissary winning due to higher dps it has.
sign, try doing that instead of putting musketeer, replacing them with voyager and see the different
@Saxony4 Ah, okay i just assumed that because they wipe the floor with any infantry i run into.
it would have been more fair if the janissairies didn't start off sorrounding the musketeers
@XfStef
"we are surrounded" does not apply to videogames.
fusiliers take up 2 pop.
but if you train 20 or 30 fusiliers and train any arthillery in dutch nation,you have more poverful army.
the midle ones are in disavantage, put the janissarys in the middle, they will almost loose.
the jans have more health but less damage thats why they will always win if the enemy is surrounded
@LiezAllLiez actually, the trick is, to go melee when you fight against: Cassadores, Skirmisher, Strelets and Abus gun. Because there melee is poor and have low health and have only shot resistance they will lose in melee very hard, but if you're too stupid to go ranged against them, your men will die!
@CommanderFod just becauz u get more exp doesnt mean a unit is stronger than a unit where u get less exp
Janissaries are the best musketeer unit around but - theyre heavy infantry. Getting some skirmishers or cassadores would own them so bad. Even strelky would have a go at them in large enough numbers.
it's just because that the musketeers are surrounded!
Jannisaries may be good against infantry,but if you fight against cavalry,go with musketeers
Musketeers vs gannizzeri is like putting horse archers vs !
Janissaries are a royal guard unit. You can't compare a royal guard unit to a normal unit. Janissaries and Red coats would be a better comparison.
You do realize that they probably only won because they had the advantage of surrounding the opponents.
thats why they owned the muskeeters
@Bummblebee56 I think Jans actually have more attack than musk but cost more, in a map editor jans would fair batter if they were outnumbered by only 10 but in a real game musk could get the upperhand by outnumbering jans by 2 to 1.
Biased: The Janissaries had the surrounding adavantage whitch aided in victory.
dude janissaries are very strong you can read at the history at the options menu in the game so this is true this video
Pretty sure 75 Janissarys costs more than 85 musketeers:
Same gold cost, but 85 musketeers cost 6,375 food, and 75 Janissarys cost 7,500.
So you should fight 60-65 Janissarys against 85 musketeers then see who wins...
@Yannic014 yeah and in the 2nd time the janissaries melee
try with imperial cassadores and imperial janissaires.
try this: same numbers, but change the positions, janns in the middle and muskets surrounding... thatll show their true power.
and for the record, if i was controlling those musketeers, i woulda won... not hard, just focus on one side, regroup, and finish the rest of the janns
Put the musketeers on the outside and see how that goes.
But if they are fully upgraded and you play with the English when 100 against 75 the musceteers beat them
i see more Janissary than he writes 90+
@MovieTributeArtist Which is just like the Russians who throw out thousands of troops on the frontline and dominate the war. An example would be why Strelets are so numberous even if a tad bit weaker than the rest.
@AoEfreak This battle proves nothing. If a group of units is surrounded, that's a serious disadvantage.
if janissary are good it's because they have a stronger half-point
2:23 "YAAAAAAAAAYY!!"
this strategies is called 'encirclement'
this is only because musketeers are surrounded
@eddieoxford they accualy lasted 1456-1800 or something like that
Jans are stronger than muskets but they have a 2x multiplier vs cavalry while muskets have 3x, ottomans have the worst anti-cav in the game.