Why The AMG M275 is a Special Engine | V12 biturbo (4K)
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- čas přidán 27. 10. 2019
- In this video, I discuss why the Mercedes AMG 'V12 biturbo' M275 engine is a favourite among enthusiasts. The M275 was featured in the w220 S65, W215 CL65, R230 SL65, G65 as well as others. I start by going over some differences between the standard M275 engine and the AMG versions, then go into more detail on the AMG M275.
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While the V12 biturbo engines will stay in the S600 for a little longer, it's sad to see that v12 engines will no longer be offered by AMG.
MB learned their lesson with the M120 V12s. Best engines engineering-wise, but with insufficient sales volume, the R&D cost nearly bankrupted the company.
That's why I will never get rid of my 2006 CL65
@@dannyz955 It makes good flagships though.
@@dannyz955 V12's gave Mercedes a kind of street cred that put a halo on everything else. These cars all cost over $200k and MB could've charged more. I don't see how they failed to earn enough money when we were willing to pay whatever. They're out of production now mostly because of emissions standards around the world.
Yes V12s always hit the soft spot for us enthusiasts, but we are still a small representation of the population. I think there was simply a loss of interest in V12 designs on MB's part over the years. One could say the M120 V12 was MB's most valiant effort in producing the finest high performance engine to fit their lineup, yet MB eventually shied away from this valiancy. Following the M120, the M137 was in every way a cost cut version of its predecessor, being SOHC and 3V per cylinder it made less power. The M275 was essentially a M137 with turbos introduced to address the power issue, and in that regard it was successful; but it was also in a sense a poison pill to the ingenuity of engine designers at MB, as they have realized, why bother pushing for better motor design and materials when they could just put thicker blocks and bigger turbos? And take this argument a little further, what could a V12 biturbo do that a 4.0 V8 biturbo could not, performance numbers wise? The general public did not care. They were happy enough as long as they get the badge, 0-60 number and plush interiors. But those that cared knew that some things were lost and could not be recovered. The smoothness, throttle response, the chordal voice that only belongs to an NA DOHC V12.
It's truly a shame that MB slacked off on their V12's starting from the M137, but it's probably not their fault. The emission standards can take a lot of blame for sure, but all emission standards could be overcome with enough R&D. So in the end, it's the general consumers who decide what type of cars gets produced, whether it's visceral driving machines, lean econoboxes, or tall riding family haulers. If Ferrari, Lambo and Aston can keep their V12 cult going, there could still be hope for these lofty engines yet.
Don’t worry! The AMG version might be dead but we at Brabus will keep it up as long as possible. Our 900hp V12 is now available in the new G-Class and will stay in the next generation S-Class as well.
Pagani also will get v12 amgs
Robert Homann No not really 😂 AMG and Pagani are currently in a fight over engines. I can’t really speak on this topic but trust me I know some really crazy things about Pagani that the public doesn’t know yet...
@@JustinsSupercars Would be hilarious if Pagani ends up sourcing their new gen V12s from BMW :)
@@dannyz955 BMW is getting rid of it too. Maybe rolls royce will keep it but I'm not sure. Soon enough their only choice will be Aston Martin or make their own
@@NatoriousGamePlay If it's AM, you know what Pagani is going to want, and many jaws would drop if AM actually agrees to share it... haha..
I doubt Rolls will let go of V12s, as currently it uses nothing but. The BMW N74 should have more potential than the AMG M275/M158 because of DOHC. If only Pagani can get BMW to make a bespoke S74..
The 65 AMG has the best start-up sound ever! Such a great engine... Will be missed...
True that, and no sound recording device can make it justice. However, the 55K sounds way better the rest of the time.
Dual starter motors…. I love on all 12 & 16 cylinder cars
I love my cl65
Bentley W12 TT sounds the same. Like a jet airplane engine
I don’t miss it, I wake up to it every morning as long as there’s no snow or ice on the road, it’s an 07 kinda dated but it’s so comfortable and fun it’s worth what I’ve spent on it
Used ones are getting cheaper. People need to start swapping them into more cars. V12 the world
V12Buickguy Ahh the legend himself...
Electricity is not the future, it's just a boost in power train propulsion. V12 to the end of time!
Imagine saying something stupid like take a mercedes into pieces to feed other cars
@@CHRISrnbWORLD There are plenty of crashed 600/65 cars to use parts from...
@@AMGmeister Only acceptable way for it!
Thx 4 reviewing it.
Over 16 years, it serves as a flagship engines of MB.
You see the $3k carbon engine cover, lol.
Besides the problem of ignition coil pack problem; it is super strong.
The start sound always makes me happy.
If you shorten the period of oil change, it will serve you strong and beautiful.
Blessed to say I was able to drive one of the few 2020 S65 Final Editions in the USA before delivering it to its first owner. One of the best days of my Mercedes sales career.
great engine. I replaced the coil packs in my AMG S65 at 105,000 miles and it made a huge difference. I never get tired of hearing the initial engine startup
As a guy who grew up on NFS and one day dreamed of owning somthing special like a M275 motored car, your soundtrack choice is so spot on. Id listen to those songs just dreaming what it would be like. Very happy owner of a 06 CL65. One of my dream cars I thought would never happen!
I know this is quite the old comment but how has the reliability and maintenance been on your CL65? I've been looking pretty seriously into getting one of the V12 TT Mercs for awhile now. Seems like as long as the ABC system is maintained religiously the rest isn't too bad.
As others have said its mainly the coilpacks that gave me issues. Sold it almost 2 years ago now. Rear main was starting to leak. But previous owner had extensive work to turbos done since they can have heat issues that cause premature degradation. All that ill probably own another one just in a newer chassis. But all that aside, they are special. Pull the trigger, and dont be afraid to spend a bit extra on one well sorted. Its money u will spend either way. This way its more enjoyable and instantly usable. ABC was my last expense. Was expensive, but such a killer system
@@astonmartinzz Thanks for the response! I have a penchant for old dubiously reliable cars so I’ve learned the lesson well of buying the best sorted and pampered one you can afford. As you said it’s money you’ll spend either way.
Haha SAME! I call myself a vehicular masochist. Replaced the CL with a Maserati GranSport lol
But its better than just milling around in another same ole same ole someone else and their friend has
Glad to hear that song again at 6:17
do you know the title?
Boutemtam Madjid Nope and that’s what makes the song so good
Nfs hukes snike ost
Outstanding vid, as always! Enjoyed it.
Thanks for making the highly requested v12 video. Although I love my e55, my s65 is my favorite child lol.
As a W216 CL65 owner I really appreciate this video! Thumbs up!
As I have an 05 S600 this is your BEST video yet! Thx 4 all the work!!
each vid just get better and better. your doing great man! i got the notification at work and was legit excited.
aaannndddd now i want a S65 LOL
Excellent as always! Simple yet thorough and to the point, very educational and interesting! Keep them coming.
It’s very useful for us when you make it a point to tell us what vehicles these engines were in. That way if we ever want to own one we have some idea of what we’re looking for. Thanks for all the informative videos👍
Hey man I just wanna say thanks for the amazing videos. I recently bought a W211 E63 about a week ago so amazing really wanted a E55 but I still love it! It’s really an amazing feeling to have your own amg!
As always, an amazing video! Thank you
Epic video. Although I never owned a Mercedes V12, I have been fascinated by them for ages.
another amazing video, great detail and great soundtrack to the whole video.
OldSchool NFS fan perhaps ?
Great video about the mighty M275…
Thank you for a wonderful presentation
I owned an '04 SL-600 for a short time and that M275 was a true beast.
Really enjoy Ur vids. Very well done. Thanks.
Great work as usual brother
The most detailed review ever. You even got them down to the boost psi. Nobody does that.
Nice video. Awesome V12 engines!
Interesting watch, enjoyed it
Wow. What a great production. One of your best.
I hope you consider producing a SLR McLaren supercar video. Perhaps focusing on the M113 K and how it is special on that car only.
Thank you for a high quality and deeply informative video! It was nostalgic to hear a tune from the Need for Speed 4 😊
But I love the engine story even more. Keep up the great work!
PS1 classic
Haha, noticed the music too. That nfs tune.... always went for merc slk230 not bmw %)
The AMG M275 makes my favourite startup sound. Similar to the Veyron.
Nothing sounds like a V12 at startup!
Yeah, because its turbocharged
Dual starter motors
I love my 2003 CL600. Crazy depreciation allowed me to buy a $128k car for only $12,000 at just 15 years and 66k miles
i picked up an 03 sl500 for $1200. 127k miles. needed the abc. I totally rebuilt everything that was worn out. next I am going for a v12
Is it fast
Good video. Love the 220 at the end
Right?! The most subtle yet brutal 4 door out there. I'm happy they stuffed that thing into a w220 for at least a year. BMW should have done that with the M5, a 2004 E39, with the V10 in it.
I love the background soundtrack
thanks for the info, my plan is something crazy with one of these v12s! so ima learn as much as i can!
what a amaizing Engine, well done
Excellent video as always! +REP Meister!
Shut up
Had one of these in my CL65. And yes, had to replace the coil packs!
Excellent video. Wish that AMG weren't moving toward smaller engines with less cylinders! Love my 221 S-65.
Thanks for the info !
Excellent video
Me out here with my M274 hoping to one day have one of these beauties.
I LOVE THIS RYPE OF CONTENT! 5*!
My Volker Haag assembled m275 has 108k on it, I basically daily the car, definitely the best car I’ve ever owned, I absolutely love it, it’s my therapy
Great video
We have a MINT 2007 S65 AMG here in New Zealand, its only done like 14000 miles lol - only $60K here or $38K USD~. So nice!
Another great video, also a bit sad too 😢
0:50 you started correctly M120 is my fav Engine hehe:D btw love the NFS4 Song in background :D nfs in 90s got me in to cars :D CLK-GTR, SL600(R129) and SLK230 :D
I'm thinking about doing an m275 swap build for a W212 e class. Thanks for the helpful info!
Wish you could do a vid on the R230 SL65! :) Love ya work always..eps the music from need for speed...I play that in me W221 S63 :) sydney..australia :)
Love the NFS High Stakes song @ 3:15
What is name of this track?
@@dany47sr Need for speed IV - Quantum Singularity
And to you my friend... A VERY BIG LIKE for using the Need For Speed High Stakes soundtracks.
The very best Need For Speed in existance.
Cheers !
YES! As soon as i heard them i was like "NOSTALGIA!". But need for speed 3 was my shit.
So buy a 2013 or newer V12, preferably an AMG 65 👍. I had an 2005 S600 M275, and everything you said to look out for is exactly correct!
I love all my S65 AMGs :)
Any other great informative video! Do we know what transmission the Pagani uses?
Need for speed high stakes menu music....nice!
We will surely miss this engine.
I have a Bentley Cont GT
And the torque sucks compared to the S65.
I drive both. Believe me, night and day difference. Do t get me wrong the Bentley rolls out. But that Raw Torque is just Awesome!
Thank you so much
You get a sub from me for your hard work (can you do a vid on the 4.6 m278 v8 ??)
Great tribute to the M 275... 👏 So sad to see it being discontinued😪
That crooked oil cap saddens me a little. Also the engine cover is a cool 5k~ AUD
The depreciation on these S65’s 😱😱😱
I own a s65 amg 2007. Wonderful car. I raced a Bentley with the m279? And it walked my Ferrari 612. Both sounded glorious
Ridiculously smooth, ridiculously powerful, and ridiculously quiet. Also, ridiculously annoying to work on as well. Subframe has to be removed (R230) to change engine mounts. 🤦♂️
Can you do a video on the m120 v12? Would love to know the ins and outs of that engine
the few problems are the v/c gaskets, and the f cover gaskets...
By far my favorite powerplant that any automaker has ever offered. It's a shame to see it go. The v8 biturbo is nice, and more practical, but it just simply lacks the character of the v12 biturbo.
Ive got 2 S65”s if you guys wanna see some more videos
Nice, I've got the non AMG CL600 version
AnAMGguy how much are you letting the w221 go for?
King Tone II i dont have a 221, my 220 is for sale, 17k
Subbed.
my cars twin! I have an 07 black on black s65 amg
The CL600 Powered with M275 tell 2014 model year. Is the 2013 2014 got the same defective ignition system? Im looking for the right V12 Mercedes thank you for the video
Beast!
that background score tho!
Good luck servicing those V12's 😲😲😲
? Not that difficult at all.
@@LynxStarAuto are you a Mercedes tech?
Not hard at all dude.
Do a video on the M157!
Knock the M137 all you want, but an elderly couple used to bring one in to our MB dealer with over 400k miles. They put a new engine in it when it wasn't financially sound at all. Loved it too much. The issues are solved rather easily.
Salute!!
Hi AMGmeister! Care to tell us what soundtrack you used for the intro of this video? I've been looking everywhere and I can't find it!
Its need for speed soundtrack. Rock this. I think
Hey man I am sure you made a cockpit 0-60 in your amazing E55 ?
Love it
Next gen derived by or built off 2 M256? The new inline 6 are fantastic ..
What camera are you using?
NFS High Stakes music ftw!!!
Was the oil cap tight on that car? Looks loose.
Any exhaust recommendations for the 2009 CL65 ?
It will be weird to see a future S65 with no V12. :(
Wow need for speed high stakes sound track :)
Soundtrack took me back to Need For Speed game.
Used prices for these models are getting more affordable but as usual maintenance and repair expenses are astronomically high..
old skool
Would it be possible to upgrade an M275 to an M279 by replacing parts?
One of the best v12 engines on the market...love our 05 w220 designo. Amazing power curve and reliability as well.
Didn’t you had any serious problem with the engine? I heard some people saying it has a ridiculous realibility for its power, and some other elses who claims that went bankrupt with it.
@@Gianni2002 with proper fluid service. Internally this engine is bulletproof. The ignition coil packs are very expensive when they fail. But if you change the spark plugs with oem ngks coil pack failure should only occur once in the cars life....unless you beat or tune it a and hot rod the car. Mechanically engine and trans very solid
Is the music you have playing in the backround from midnight club 2 ?
Need for Speed 3 Hot Pursuit (1998)
What should I expect to pay for a car with this engine and what’s the best one to get?
Pls make a video about m112 V6
Respect
Beautiful, just beautiful. Powerhouse wolf in sheep's clothing...
Can you make a video about the E50 AMG with the m119 engine
In my opinion e50 amg engine is normal M119 with AMG ECU tuning
Aren't the latest versions of these called the M279?
I regret watching this video💔. RIP M275
How much w220 S65 go for in NA?
I have a heathy Love/Fear relationship with my CL600.