Why Chopin's Engagement Was Destined To Fail
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Chopin’s broken engagement to Maria Wodzińska was his first major heartbreak. Though the blow might’ve been softened if only her family had been more straightforward with their intentions…
📚Sources📚
Chopin, Frédéric, and Henryk Opieński. Chopín’s Letters. Translated by E. L. Voynich, Dover Publications, Inc., 2012.
Zamoyski, Adam. Chopin: Prince of the Romantics. Harper, 2011.
Walker, Alan. Fryderyk Chopin: A Life and Times. Faber & Faber, 2021.
Chopin, Frédéric, et al. Selected Correspondence of Fryderyk Chopin. Da Capo Press, 1979.
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🎹Music🎹
Waltzes, Op.64
Tempo giusto (C♯ minor)
Harald Vetter (piano)
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Waltz in E-flat major, B.133
Aya Higuchi (piano)
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Ballade No.1, Op.23
Frank Lévy (piano)
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“Revolutionary Etude”
Chiara Bertoglio (piano)
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Waltzes, Op.69
Lento (A♭ major)
Olga Gurevich (piano)
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12. Prelude (G♯ minor)
14. Prelude (Eb minor)
Ivan Ilić (Piano)
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2. Andante (E♭ major) Nocturne
Harald Vetter (Piano)
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Grande valse brillante, Op.18
Olga Gurevich (piano)
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4. Finale. Presto
Piano Sonata No2
Donald Broils (piano)
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6. Etude in G♯ minor
Randolph Hokanson (Piano)
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"It is dreadful when something weighs on your mind, not to have a soul to unburden yourself to. You know what I mean. I tell my piano the things I used to tell you" by Fredrick Chopin
I hv a math exam tmr dont make me cry now
Sorry. Good luck on you test though
I feel that. Except sometimes I wish my instruments could talk to me as a friend would, so I wouldn’t as sad and isolated from my struggles.
@@jin_cotl You’re instruments are the greatest friends you could ever have as a sad and isolated person. Because they help reach to your highest standards in music and benefit you life.
@@juanquinones25no, I’m saying if they can talk then I won’t be as sad.
Poor Chopin. Nothing is worse than the heart of an artist being crushed, but at times, it does grow their art...
Break it several pieces apart
Every masterpiece is of his brilliant heart.
A half hour vid on Chopin!? This is gonna be LIT
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Now this is a first class video of Chopin. Everyone should watch this to get a better idea of an important part of Chopin's life. The gentle voice of the narrator is an enhancement to this video.
Thank you. I work with a lot of professionals in the music and motion picture industries, e.g., Richard Dreyfuss, actors from The Sound of Music, Jurassic Park, Mrs. Doubtfire, It's a Wonderful Life, and many more. It's easy to recognize professionalism (such as your video). I hope you continue to produce these videos on the masters. I know it's a lot of work.
30 minutes video on Chopin's life? Christmas came early this year I see! 🙏
Seeing the title of the video already made me cry before I even watched it 😭
I might cry but its worth it. Good work mon ❤
Okay before anything. The ending caught me off guard with that portrait of Big Beet.
One: I did tear up, the whole story was very heart wrenching and I really did feel horrible for him.
Two: You did an amazing job with this. Commentary is amazing, transitions are superb. All i want to say is, your time and effort payed off, this is fucking amazing.
Still can’t believe how horrible Chopins life traversed through. His music may convey emotions of all types but his stories really reach to the heart of man..
Thank you. Best video I’ve seen in a while. ❤ 💔
Me too mate, me too 😢 I cried because it reminded me of my own similar difficulties, with me passionately loving something but certain people made it very difficult, and I think about it bitterly. It made me very emotionally connected to his betrayal.
before having seen the video, i just want to share this amazing coincidence. I had no idea when the video was going to be uploaded, and i was sitting by my piano as always by this time. I was specifically playing Chopin’s Nocturne in B major op 32. no.1, when a notification popped on my screen, my phone being nearby. I usually don’t look, but i did, and it was about you uploading this video. I had such a strange feeling because, the nocturne i was playing, is said to be about Maria Wodzinska, about how a beautiful promise of love was abruptly ended, and how it affected Chopin for the rest of his life. If you listen to the nocturne, composed in 1837 so around the breakup, you will perfectly understand how it matches with this whole story. Anyway, knowing the video subject beforehand and me seeing the notification while playing this nocturne was such a coincidence.
Wow. What a watch. The betrayal he felt from the family, that he could’ve marry into, is something I really connected with and understand. I had experienced something similar as well. I used to love this thing fervently, and yet, I couldn’t continue pursuing the passion I used to enjoy, because I was betrayed by certain people, and I couldn’t continue on without feeling bitterness.
Nothing else filled that void, and certain topics brings me back to the bitter times; it may have been like that for Chopin, despite finding a lover after Maria. Maybe he also felt incomplete and unfulfilled inside even after marrying. And when they argued, he may have been reminded about Maria and felt sad. Poor chap.
I don’t want to make assumptions about how he felt or how he processed grief, but my heart goes out to the composer. I offer my deepest condolences.
What a sad story, didn't know he had to live through that! But damn that video was amazing though, really immersive and all, passed in no time. Amazing job here congrats, hope it'll blow up!
Merci Tristan! I'm glad you think so. I always tend to get a little nervous with long videos, as I don't know if people will get bored.
This is just mind-blowing. I really hope this gets the views it deserves!!! 30 minutes of an immersive narration along with different portraits and visual concepts that tell us about our favorite polish composer... and everything is set in detail...
The part where Chopin played in front of the two Russian nationals was stomach-churning for me.
It felt like the vivid and joyful scene suddenly became heavy and melancholy knowing what was to come. Then again there were more factors, but I do wonder how much war has affected Chopin's life.
I had read somewhere that George Sand had somehow indirectly interfered in the happy relationship between Maria & Chopin. Regretfully, i do not recall what Aurora wrote to his Maria's mother - or where i read about it - but it stung enough to remain in my mind. (If anyone reading this knows of the details, please advise...)
this was such an enjoyable listen! it is with pleasure i would sit all day listen to your well done research about these composers. Chopin is such an interesting composer along many others! If you were any interested in Johann Sebastian Bachs life i would love to listen to one of these sort of videos about him! since he lived such an long and hard life with many tales to tell!
This is so well created, well researched and incredibly presented! A joy to watch!
I'm happy to hear it!
I love the editing in this video, great work!! 👍 Poor Chopin, what‘s with these composers getting their hearts broken 😞
Thank you for this wonderful video! Chopin had such bad luck with his love but maybe that’s why his music is so romantic 💘
When I discovered your page, I always anticipate your history-related uploads. Thank you so much for these!
My pleasure!
Beautifully presented, thanks for sharing
You're very welcome!
A wonderfully informative post. Beautifully and sensitively read. I think Chopin's music says it all.
So tragic. I felt the anguish and hope all at once. Well done. Great consistency and use of enhanced imagery.
You'll grow fast! 💜
Awww, thanks for checking out my stuff!
(I promise I’ll check out your vids when I get the chance.)
Yeah…I know I’ve gotta get better on the consistency front. 😭 but I’m working on it!
Wait, I just realized you were probably referencing the consistency in imagery, and not consistency in my upload schedule. 🤣🤣
Cuz I’m definitely NOT consistent! 😭
@@secondchairmusic LOL... Yes, I did mean consistency in imagery, pace, tone and style. 😊
Such a great video !! If i could like it 100 times i would 😆 The amount of work is phenomenal, the style, the narration, everything is beautiful. Also, such an amazing little touch to put the « Farewell waltz » around 10:58 :)
Thank you !
This made me sad
Well, Chopin moved on, so it's not all bad...
(though he did move one to something a bit worse...)
I'm so glad that your latest video is the most viewed one on your channel! 😊
Glad to see a new video from you at last. Keep up the splendid work!
thank you for uploading these videos please keep doing so you are educating me and others to a higher degree than what i already know. i would love it if you did a video on Rachmaninoff spiral down and his rise up from his depression through my art currently i'm not going the greatest. I Love your videos thank you!
That was actually on my list, but I think I want to cover a Beethoven topic next. Rach will come soon, though!
Excellently put together video as always.
Monique, huge fan. Great work. I just wanted to say you've been a huge inspiration for my channel and you've fostered a wonderful CZcams community. You are so metal! 😁 🤘
Thank you for your kind words! I appreciate it!
I had been waiting for this channel all my life
Chopin really only loved George Sand. Her children destroyed their relationship. Maurice hated Chopin for fear of his mom marrying Chopin affecting his inheritance, and Solange had a "thing" for Chopin that George noticed and resented.
Oh my God, Beethoven at the last minute of the video.
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I had to sneak him in.
Phenomenal content, was very amusing to watch
Chopin wrote the Premiere Ballade around the time of his engagement
Very Impressive, this is top notch work, Bravo!!!!
Thank you very much!
I still haven't forgiven her.
A MASTERPIECE, amost like a movie
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A masterpiece of Deceptions contrived by silly, overly romantic women spinning fantasies of desires.
So touching and well done!
Thank you!!
I can only imagine what that must feel like. A relationship in the making for a long time, slowly drifting away to nothingness. I've had a few emotional losses in my life, but they were quick to both onset and recovery(at least, quick in comparison to Chopin's heartbreak). 2 lost pets, a cat and a dog, and a lost "friend" who saw me as more than just a friend, when I was only wanting a friendship at that point. And that mixed relationship was with a guy, of course. He kept asking me, pulling me towards intimacy and I was like "Can we just be friends first?" out of discomfort cause I'm not one to just fall for romance, I need a strong friendship bond before I even consider it. And he would reply to me "Okay", but as I would come to find out a couple months later, it was never genuine.
Fast forward a month and this guy I had been having daily calls with did not come to the reunion with me and my other friends like he said he would. Something was off. Another month goes by and he came to the reunion, but then the next day, on our call, he told me that I did something that I *knew* I didn't do and I ended the friendship right then and there out of anger cause I do not tolerate lies very well. The next day, I was crying in my sleep. This was my first ever significant bond besides family and pets, so the loss really hit me hard. I was sad the whole day. By the next month, I had mostly recovered emotionally. But I would not pursue any sort of closer friendship for a few years, I was back into the acquaintance zone that I had been in for most of my life.
A few years later, in 2023, I start feeling sad again, but of a different sort of sadness, it wasn't the grieving type sadness that I had before, nor was it a monthly mood swing, nor was it just everyday upsetness, it was loneliness, the sadness over me not having any strong friendships. In the same year, I started getting these motherhood dreams where I was taking care of kids. It's like I was getting a signal that I need to do something to further my life beyond just myself and my family and hobbies. A signal that I'm too isolated socially, that being with my mom and dad and brother everyday was no longer sufficient. I would only start trying to ease this loneliness when the year was almost over, cause a) I wanted to be absolutely sure this wasn't something that would go away on its own and b) I had a hard time figuring out how exactly to phrase it to my mom.
As of now, I'm still lonely, I still don't have any close friendships. But I'm trying. I'm looking for groups related to my interests, I'm talking to people, all in the efforts of trying to forge close friendships and build my support net to sufficient levels before I start pursuing any sort of romance. So I can simultaneously sort of relate and not relate to Chopin's situation you describe in the video.
Beautiful video, please more.
More to come!
good fairy tale. Chopin was gay. he was the most sought after man in Europe but he never had a physical relationship with any woman. he had a psydo cover relationship with Georges Sand. Sand states in her writings that there wasn't a physical relationship between them, she was a mother to him. Sands had several relations with heterosexual men while she was in a supposed relationship with Chopin. Chopin never had a physical relationship with any woman, but professed his love for a Polish childhood friend, Tytus Woyciechowski. this love letter has been hushed up because people are offended at the thought Chopin was gay. you can read the letter in any book containing Chopin's letters. Chopin was well aware that being gay would have been a death sentence- even for a famous person. Oscar Wilde was put in prison for 2 years for being gay- it didn't matter how famous you were.
Or, maybe he was bisexual. It's almost like people who want him to be "gay", are probably gay themselves or have some kind of motive.
Underrated channel
These paintings are wonderful. I wish the description had references.
They're Midjourney generated. Some photoshop work was done, but it's mostly Midjourney + Magnific.
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@@themike97_58 With the exception of the obvious ones (the actual portraits), everything else was generated.
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Great bio vid.
Thank you very much!
Nice work, I enjoyed this. Did Theresa scold him in the letter about payment for the piano or just the delivery of it?
It seems she was mad that he never mentioned how much it cost. She should've been grateful that he did her such a huge favor!
@@secondchairmusic maybe she misunderstood. And thought that it she owed him money.
@@jin_cotl Perhaps. She could've chosen her words a bit better though...
There was more to that letter, and she sounded irritating all throughout.
I felt bad for Chopin not getting his girl
Lovely video. Have just subscribed. Thanks, from Greece.
Thank you very much! Greetings from Florida! 😎
Beautiful work😊❤
Thank you very much! Glad you liked it!
Chopin Farewell Waltz (l’ adieu) inspired by Maria Wodzinska
Well done!
Nice video really love it but how about the connection of chopin to george sand? Didn't they have been together for 9 years?
it was not a relationship based on romantic love but more on a dynamic of « caregiver » to a very fragile person. Chopin was more « strangely fascinated » by Sand than anything else. And Sand somehow enjoyed being this kind of motherly caregiver of , still, a well known artist like her. It was a rather strange relationship. The only person Chopin truly felt something for was Maria (and Kostansja Gladkowska his college « crush »)
Thank you Monique!! 😊
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I loved! I read Benita Eisler's book and liked it, and you? Chopin's funeral the name
You should tooootally make a whole video called "Chopin x Liszt" :D
I have a related idea on that note...but it's not entirely positive....It'd involve a bit of Berlioz as well. 😅
@@secondchairmusic woahhhhhh
There's one thing I don't understand. At 04:30 into the video it mentions the inscription "Hommage a Mlle M.W." but when I look at Chopins manuscript of Op. 18 on IMSLP there is written "dedié à Mlle Laura Horsford".
I feel bad for our lad Fredric sadly i know how he feels :(
I felt bad for him while reading about this whole ordeal. They did him dirty.
OMG, if only…. 💔 So many “what if”‘s….
Like, "what if the Wodzińskis were a bit more considerate of others?" 🤔
Though it looks like he was expected to move back to Poland and he was loving the Paris scene so much. Would it have affected his music? Would his health have improved or deteriorated even faster? The music world of the 19th century is a sea of “what ifs”.
amazing video
Thanks, Tchaik!
27:10 How did he receive the letter if he was undercover in London?
He probably had it forwarded. He only kept it a secret from the general public, although there was one instance where he was found out...
@@secondchairmusic So it got delivered to his mailbox in Paris and someone brought it to England for him? I don't know how letters work haha
*"According to the Chopin Institute in Warsaw there is no written proof for"* . . . any of this.
Well he always had George Sand
Part 2 when?
Geez, Chopin and George Sand? Imma have to reread about 200 pages in order to prepare for that one...
@@secondchairmusic try Alan walkers biography on chopin
@@RhodesyYT That was one of my primary sources for this one! I'd just have to reread everything again.
Lore of The Family Who Crushed Chopin's Heart 💔 momentum 100
i wonder if op 48 no 1 was inspired by these events
Would we have him if he had her?
Hmm..that’s a pointed question!
We can only wonder…
Frederique Chopin looked a lot like his father didn't he?
He looks like an even mix of both his parents imo.
After 5 Months
The family was right. Chopin would make a lousy husband for their daughter. He was of feeble health and, as is hypothesized today, suffering cystic fibrosis, a condition that made him infertile and sickly, also doomed to die by 40, which he did! Although reasonably affluent, he was not rich, and might not have been able to maintain their daughter in the style she was accustomed to. He suffered financial difficulties towards the end of his life when his productivity crashed.
Did he die of CF? I thought it was TB
@@Isuzu81 He never infected anyone with TB, not even George Sand with whom he slept, but had no offspring (a CF symptom). He may have contracted tuberculosis in the last year or two of his life, but his health had hugely deteriorated already, so the TB would have been the last straw. Back then CF was unknown as a condition and was commonly diagnosed as TB. It was recognized as a different condition in 1936 only, I think.
@@zdzislawmeglicki2262 I can't imagine the songs we would have had if he had lived to 80. Perhaps one day AI can extrapolate on his talent and provide us with an estimate in posthumous manuscripts of the genius we were cheated out of by his malady.
@@Isuzu81 Late Chopin was less melodic, more structural, more contrapuntal, and harmonically complex. Examples to listen to are the Cello Sonata, and the two unusual nocturnes op. 48.
@@Isuzu81 Erratum: make it op 62.
Bah
MARHABAN YA RAMADHAN.
I Love Him, but Islam leave out me with Classical Music 😢
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Because he was gay? Duh!
This 2 week production is very out of date we know now that Chopin was gay because we found all his love letters to men a gay man can be close to women but the real reason why it was heartbreaking was that Chopin was gay and he never wanted to marry any woman also the woman that played the biggest role in his life is George Sand but the relationship was an abusive one and the reason why Chopin was so sick it's because he was suffering from tuberculosis he got around :32 and died at age 39 false biographies like this make me and the rest of the lgbtq community very angry trying to write us out of existence and also it doesn't tell the real story story what about talking about how Chopin was was suffering over hiding being gay? The true story is way more interesting and relatable
....I can't tell if this is a troll comment or not...😂😂😂
Probably a troll - no reputable historical sources claim Chopin was gay. Some gays want to claim all sorts of famous men as being gay. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves?
Chopin was *at least* bisexual
According to letters recently found and exposed he was no doubt fully Gay but did the usual camouflage of these things for societal acceptance
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Congrats, Shosty!
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