I love your videos. I have been an automotive a/c service man for 45 years but I have a good longtime friend who owns his hvac business and he does all my personal work. I do not try to service my own residential system. A man needs to know his limitations. (Clint Eastwood)
They can keep the ECMs. Give me a standard PSC or split phase blower motor, with oil tubes. They last for ever if kept lubricated and barring a cap failure. I throughly enjoy watching you work. You have a first class work procedure and always handle customer’s professionally. I’m a electrician about your age, with HVAC knowledge, who worked in the service field my entire life.
It's really important to have a surge protector on the furnace to protect those ecm motors from power surges. They only like clean power. Surge protectors don't cost much, and they are easy to install.
Those plastic blower housings reduce airflow noise so much. There are times I would momentarily freak out on a new install, because I didn't hear the blower ramp up...it was just too quiet and I had to feel the air ducts to confirm. Lol, good video.
@Anti DIY HVAC You should get a guitar and play some Willie Nelson songs while waiting on delays Teddy Nelson You seem like a real cool guy And extreme knowledge Pleasure watching your videos Sir.
That AHU doesn't look that old. The line set is still nice and shiny, the cabinet not rusty nor mildewed. "It's hard to stop a Trane?" Or maybe, "it's hard to source out a reliable ECM blower motor." This scares me because now Goodman is using ECM blower motors in their gas furnaces. FER Standards...yay.
Perfect timing for my situation. I'm looking to change out the blower motor on a Trane XR95 and your demonstration was perfect. But I do have a question if you don't mind. I would like to remove the 115V, 60HZ, 9.36 amp, 1/2hp 1075RPM motor for a 115V, 60HZ, 9.6amp 1075RPM motor. Will the 1/4RPM increase in HP of the new motor increase the volume and velocity of air into the supply ducts, or will it be the same considering the same RPM's? Thanks.
Like i was saying ted in another video these are hard to deal with the bracket on the motor. If there was a slot for rach leg to attach and not move around once you tighten would be nice
Am I correct in assuming that because the furnace and motor sat sideways instead of vertically that it most likely caused the premature motor failure due to the force of gravity on the motor bearings?
You may know this already since you install Evergreen constant torque ECM’s, EM Evergreen now offers constant airflow ECM preprogrammed replacements just like the EM, it’s called Evergreen VS, for variable speed
Do you still work at Trane? I have a "4tee3f40b1000aa" and supposedly the blower/motor assembly is "BLW00712" But I'm seeing WILDLY variable prices from 100??? dollars up to 1500 dollars...
I did a complete split system install this one has x13 I read the saving are only on the low speed same as the full ecm but is the same wattage usage for med and hi speed. If that's the case I'll be going back to psc once this motor kicks the bucket with a quikswap
this is NOT giving me high hope on my decision to buy a Trane furnace S9X2 when the blower dies in 2 years... My old 16.8 year old Ducane has had ZERO issues in all that time. Figured it was at the end of its life.. maybe it isnt
I have enjoyed watching your videos. You seam to take pride in your work and truly want the customer to get the bestt value for their money. Do you happen to know a company or person in the Charleston, sc
I usually look at where the motor's electrical inputs are and mark with a scratch all on the blower assembly where it aligns with so I dont have issues reconnecting electricals
Never saw a plastic blower housing before? When did that happen? Looks like you do have a decent crawl space to work in Been under a house or two in my time
Ecm motors come plug and play. It's usually only the module that fails but the motor and module costs only $200 more than just module. A temp rise test is also very important to do after a new motor installation as this often tells the whole story of why the original ecm burns out, last week I replaced one and temp rise whas out of range.. home inspection found a covered return air grille covered with a book case and another with ample of clothes on the floor blocking it... the motor and module cost $1247 plus 120 installed.. they will not forget to make sure the return air grills are not obstructed now I'm sure. A psc motor, installed would have cost about $250 max by comparison. Ecm motors efficiancy gains are at the customer's wallet loss, and u less the board is a 2.3 you void the warranty changing to a psc over the ecm... ecm = Extremely Crzppy Motor :)
@@MrDmadness on a heat pump like this what do you think about changing an ECM constant volume to a x13 style? With a heat pump you really don't have that many blower speeds. I'm not familiar with Trane I don't know how the compressor sheds load on the condensing unit. I installed a Goodman 18 Seer two-stage heat pump, and is only a few blower speeds you can use furnace came with an x 13. The Goodman heat pump compressor has An unloader solenoid built in do the compressor. When the solenoid gets 24 volts it loads up 100% when it's unloaded it's 2/3. It's a Copeland compressor and there's a CZcams video out from Copeland on how the compressor works pretty sweet and simple. Is it possible on heat pump applications you could replace an ECM with an x 13 Evergreen motor. If it is a modulating furnace then the customer is SOL
bushings (should) wear out before anything else on a blower.. 2 year old system, already a bad motor.. seeing that 50+ year old sears furnace teardown kinda makes a man sick to see new shit like this.
I was thinking about installing a furnace with an ECM or a variable speed DC motor but it looks like the electronics are too fragile and much less reliable than a regular PSC motor.
There won't be a choice (at least until all the supply of older PSC based furnaces runs out) with the 2019 FER requirements were effective July of this year.
Yep Gary's right. When it comes to gas furnaces you don't have a choice any more. Some are DC driven, but more are AC driven. But they are both very susceptible to failure unfortunately.
@@sknight0391 Not when running on a properly designed duct system at a proper TSP. You can't blame the motor for failing when its being forced to run outside its design parameters either do to poor duct design, or high pressure drop filters, or worse both.
So Trane blower motors can fail after 2 years? So that means the only reason to pay for a Trane over ICP or Goodman is the coils won't leak and it's quieter. But the blower fans can equally suck?
Yup, a differential temperature rise is very important to do after switching an ecm. Blocked return air grills, restrictive filters dirty filter.. etc all create over heating of the module. Ecm motors are over $1000 so you for sure do t want to be burning them out.
Correct. However on my Trane condenser motor, the module was not replaceable. Had to spend $900 for the new motor/module. I installed myself. I have replaced indoor Trane modules. They were available as separate from the motor.
Your too sure of yourself by not having the proper hand tools with you, made you look inexperienced or just to old to do repairs. This is a youngmans job especially when time is at your customers expense in cost.
I love your videos. I have been an automotive a/c service man for 45 years but I have a good longtime friend who owns his hvac business and he does all my personal work. I do not try to service my own residential system. A man needs to know his limitations. (Clint Eastwood)
They can keep the ECMs. Give me a standard PSC or split phase blower motor, with oil tubes. They last for ever if kept lubricated and barring a cap failure. I throughly enjoy watching you work. You have a first class work procedure and always handle customer’s professionally. I’m a electrician about your age, with HVAC knowledge, who worked in the service field my entire life.
Good Fix! Pretty sad that the motor died after just 2 years..
I have 9 units in my house and 3 motors went bad in 2 yrs
“In the spirit of the real-time repair...”- absolute gold statement lol
It's really important to have a surge protector on the furnace to protect those ecm motors from power surges. They only like clean power. Surge protectors don't cost much, and they are easy to install.
Those plastic blower housings reduce airflow noise so much. There are times I would momentarily freak out on a new install, because I didn't hear the blower ramp up...it was just too quiet and I had to feel the air ducts to confirm. Lol, good video.
I see you finally got you a stool to sit on, I got one a little taller than yours. It really saves the knees. Good job.
Always enjoy watching!
2 years, got to love today's quality made products lol
Glad for another video, was having withdrawals
Great video Ted. Man, it would have been so cool if your wrench would have moved all by itself while you were out at the truck.
👻👻👻
Nice growth showing on the blower wheel housing. Put a UV light in that air handler.
@Anti DIY HVAC
You should get a guitar and play some Willie Nelson songs while waiting on delays
Teddy Nelson
You seem like a real cool guy
And extreme knowledge
Pleasure watching your videos Sir.
This is why I prefer the good old PSC motors
Lucky for you Ted that it was not a downflow furnace you'd still be there
That AHU doesn't look that old. The line set is still nice and shiny, the cabinet not rusty nor mildewed. "It's hard to stop a Trane?" Or maybe, "it's hard to source out a reliable ECM blower motor." This scares me because now Goodman is using ECM blower motors in their gas furnaces. FER Standards...yay.
Even Tranes have struggles!
Perfect timing for my situation. I'm looking to change out the blower motor on a Trane XR95 and your demonstration was perfect.
But I do have a question if you don't mind.
I would like to remove the 115V, 60HZ, 9.36 amp, 1/2hp 1075RPM motor for a 115V, 60HZ, 9.6amp 1075RPM motor.
Will the 1/4RPM increase in HP of the new motor increase the volume and velocity of air into the supply ducts, or will it be the same considering the same RPM's?
Thanks.
The best examples of engineering are always the simplest and that is a really simple set up there .
Like i was saying ted in another video these are hard to deal with the bracket on the motor. If there was a slot for rach leg to attach and not move around once you tighten would be nice
I have the same hammer wrench in my tool bag!
Genteq ECM...I've heard the Emerson ones are better. Is that also a VRV condenser?
I’m a super fan of the TEM’s
Bless you ted
Yup this is why they make so easy to change cause every 2 yrs have to replace that junk .i will stick with carrier most ive done last over 20 yrs
Great video.Do you ever have problems with blower wheels coming apart on those Trane equipment? Thanks 😜
Question: if the gas still comes on and it fires up for a few minutes but the fan never comes on then it's most definitely not the board Right???
All kinds of juicy room in there😂🤣. Good video,Have a question about the aftermarket ECM motors and have you used them?
Am I correct in assuming that because the furnace and motor sat sideways instead of vertically that it most likely caused the premature motor failure due to the force of gravity on the motor bearings?
You may know this already since you install Evergreen constant torque ECM’s, EM
Evergreen now offers constant airflow ECM preprogrammed replacements just like the EM, it’s called Evergreen VS, for variable speed
Nice job again like always
The hardware for the belly band is 1/4x20 and it takes a 7/16 wrench and socket. I worked at Trane fort smith.
Do you still work at Trane?
I have a "4tee3f40b1000aa" and supposedly the blower/motor assembly is "BLW00712"
But I'm seeing WILDLY variable prices from 100??? dollars up to 1500 dollars...
So weird, I have all the EXACT same tools you used , the magnetic tray, the drill, the bits, crescent wrench, literally everything.
Where did you get your bits? Link?
@@ishalljr Those were Milwaukee bits. They are color coded like that & impact ready. 😉👌
I did a complete split system install this one has x13 I read the saving are only on the low speed same as the full ecm but is the same wattage usage for med and hi speed. If that's the case I'll be going back to psc once this motor kicks the bucket with a quikswap
this is NOT giving me high hope on my decision to buy a Trane furnace S9X2 when the blower dies in 2 years... My old 16.8 year old Ducane has had ZERO issues in all that time. Figured it was at the end of its life.. maybe it isnt
Is it code in South Carolina to mortar the blocks that are holding the unit up in the air
Need ur advise .
Why my new trane waste so much energy compare with my old ac unit
Nice video.
I have enjoyed watching your videos. You seam to take pride in your work and truly want the customer to get the bestt value for their money. Do you happen to know a company or person in the Charleston, sc
area that works like you
I usually look at where the motor's electrical inputs are and mark with a scratch all on the blower assembly where it aligns with so I dont have issues reconnecting electricals
Apparently it’s not that hard to stop a Trane 😜
Yeah pretty damn shitty to die in 2 years and have a major component failure.
Never saw a plastic blower housing before?
When did that happen?
Looks like you do have a decent crawl space to work in
Been under a house or two in my time
trane started making plastic blower housing about 10 years ago
Great job: Would like to see the wiring harness setup you use. Thanks
Ecm motors come plug and play. It's usually only the module that fails but the motor and module costs only $200 more than just module. A temp rise test is also very important to do after a new motor installation as this often tells the whole story of why the original ecm burns out, last week I replaced one and temp rise whas out of range.. home inspection found a covered return air grille covered with a book case and another with ample of clothes on the floor blocking it... the motor and module cost $1247 plus 120 installed.. they will not forget to make sure the return air grills are not obstructed now I'm sure. A psc motor, installed would have cost about $250 max by comparison. Ecm motors efficiancy gains are at the customer's wallet loss, and u less the board is a 2.3 you void the warranty changing to a psc over the ecm... ecm = Extremely Crzppy Motor :)
@@MrDmadness on a heat pump like this what do you think about changing an ECM constant volume to a x13 style? With a heat pump you really don't have that many blower speeds. I'm not familiar with Trane I don't know how the compressor sheds load on the condensing unit. I installed a Goodman 18 Seer two-stage heat pump, and is only a few blower speeds you can use furnace came with an x 13. The Goodman heat pump compressor has An unloader solenoid built in do the compressor. When the solenoid gets 24 volts it loads up 100% when it's unloaded it's 2/3. It's a Copeland compressor and there's a CZcams video out from Copeland on how the compressor works pretty sweet and simple. Is it possible on heat pump applications you could replace an ECM with an x 13 Evergreen motor. If it is a modulating furnace then the customer is SOL
bushings (should) wear out before anything else on a blower.. 2 year old system, already a bad motor.. seeing that 50+ year old sears furnace teardown kinda makes a man sick to see new shit like this.
Why did you take an An Is extra 5 minutes to clean the squirrel cage as a courtesy to your customer
How do troubleshoot the board and the wiring harness.
Whats a good estimate for that motor replacement? Ballpark figure
I was thinking about installing a furnace with an ECM or a variable speed DC motor but it looks like the electronics are too fragile and much less reliable than a regular PSC motor.
There won't be a choice (at least until all the supply of older PSC based furnaces runs out) with the 2019 FER requirements were effective July of this year.
The ECMs are junk. To fragile and too unreliable.
Yep Gary's right. When it comes to gas furnaces you don't have a choice any more. Some are DC driven, but more are AC driven. But they are both very susceptible to failure unfortunately.
And very expensive to replace if not under warranty 😒
@@sknight0391 Not when running on a properly designed duct system at a proper TSP. You can't blame the motor for failing when its being forced to run outside its design parameters either do to poor duct design, or high pressure drop filters, or worse both.
Yo , Ted I'm worried ,no Ted sighting in weeks , please give us a Ted update!
For what length of time was the motor warranted for, may I ask?
I have that air handler. If you fill out the paperwork within 90 days of ownership it’s 10 years. If you don’t fill out the paperwork it’s 5 years.
Do 16 seer heat pumps have variable speed compressors?
I have a lennox variable speed compressor heat pump on my house and I had to go up to a 20 seer to get that.
did it pop the mov??
bless you
"real-time" or "snail-time" to most youtuber's :))
so you don't clean the blower when you change the motor
You talk to your phone and it makes a text message!? lol
I never cared for verible speed motors.there pretty expensive over PSC motors.🤔
So Trane blower motors can fail after 2 years? So that means the only reason to pay for a Trane over ICP or Goodman is the coils won't leak and it's quieter. But the blower fans can equally suck?
The failure of the module was most likely caused by air flow problem which caused the module to overheat and die.
Yup, a differential temperature rise is very important to do after switching an ecm. Blocked return air grills, restrictive filters dirty filter.. etc all create over heating of the module. Ecm motors are over $1000 so you for sure do t want to be burning them out.
What is the cost for motor
Motor was probably ok , module failed I bet
99% of the time.
cant hear you..seems to be a trend..this will be third video, ive watched, total. love the content, great visuals, but spoken voice is low volume
First. :) Like number 48. Thanks for the video.
If the motor and module both are bad just replace the unit (about the same price) HUH?
Motor probably didn’t fail, almost always the end bell.
On Lennox Furnaces i just change the motor module
Correct. However on my Trane condenser motor, the module was not replaceable. Had to spend $900 for the new motor/module. I installed myself. I have replaced indoor Trane modules. They were available as separate from the motor.
If it's under warranty you do the whole thing as a package deal, motor & mod.
Would you look at that
Didn't even have to use a hub puller
I was just thinking how lucky. But saw someone say it was only 2 yrs old. I hoped to watch the struggle from the comfort of my couch😒
Your too sure of yourself by not having the proper hand tools with you, made you look inexperienced or just to old to do repairs. This is a youngmans job especially when time is at your customers expense in cost.
You are very slow. lol
Well thats rude and he's not.