Did my 2015 Silverado with woolwax about a month ago. I had basically no wax left on the rear half of the truck frame. I did notice it definitely did soften the wax that was left towards the front of the truck as my jack rubbed it off. I don't mind doing touchups over the year where the wax comes off and I don't mind reapplying where needed every year. Better than rust
Yeah that's my thoughts exactly it's better just to keep applying this because eventually the wax is going to come off regardless of you spraying it or not
Thing to keep in mind is that most of the frame rot happens from the inside. The stuff you see on the outside is mostly surface rust. The big damage comes from outside where water and salt can sit for a while.
Use extended reach spray wands & go slowly when spraying inside frams or inside cavities (rocker panels, door insides, inside fenders, supports on pickup truck beds, etc). Make sure to hit core supports too.
I have not had any adverse effects spraying fluid film on everything under my SUV. I do treat my door seals with silicone before spraying though. From their website " FLUID FILM has no adverse effects on plastics. Caution should be used around non oil-resistant rubber goods. May cause swelling." Great video thanks for sharing.
Im doing my Suburban from out west with Rust-Oleum 7400 alkyd paint...I was doing a lot of research about POR based products for my truck and found out the 7400 is the best way to go...read about it over on steel soldiers forum and those guys collect the large military trucks and they swear by it so if they say it's better than POR and use it on their rigs then it's good enough for mine!...I don't plan on driving this rig in the Michigan winters we have but I do want it protected from moisture and to look good but I want to wait before I start coating because I plan on building a overland/rock crawler truck and I want to wait til all the welding is done and the axles are swapped etc...I even plan on using the 7400 on the bumpers and plan on pulling the carpet completely out of the truck and do the entire floor and firewall as well...comes in different colors...I don't know if anyone can share their story about using 7400 but I'd like to hear more good reviews from using the product!
I just bought a 2019 Silverado Im going to take the bed off and clean it and paint it, you said poa isn’t ideal on bare metal, I got 2 questions #1 does Does Eastwood have everything I would need for this project/is it safe to put on bare metal and #2 I live in Phoenix Az how often should I keep up with maintenance on my frame
I have a 2009 mercury mariner, and Roy will frame with the wheels are the frame is rusting on both sides of the wheels can I use spray or do I need to have it welded
yes it will soften the wax oil coating on gm trucks but fluid film will replace it within the course of a few years ..ive seen it firsthand on my truck as well as others
Good to know! Thanks :) how many years have you used it continually on the same vehicle? Just curious. Would be nice if I didn't need to worry about the wires
@@TheSundaeDrive about 4 years now. While I wouldn't start spraying it directly on them some getting on isn't gonna hurt. Most wires and hoses on a vehicle are oil resistant anyway. Body mounts may be different however
PB Blaster surface shield is better stuff brand new product works awesome stays on for 2 years won't damage anything I put 6 cans on my 2021 ram classic after I got it no rust for me
I’ve lost three vehicles to rust… I applied fluid film to my new Nissan NV 3500 three years ago and touch it up every fall… over time these products create a durable grease barrier that shields salt water… there is not a lick of rust anywhere… this should be a yearly maintenance on any vehicle regardless of where you live. Vehicles today are capable of crazy longevity if you don’t listen to the manufacturer… change oil twice a year or ever 3-5k depending on how hard you are driving… and fluid film once a year…
I wouldnt even recommend painting your frame if you are going to be fluidfilming/ surfaceshielding it every single year. Just do a good job prepping it the first time you coat it. Get all of the scale off of the outside and get a long air wand and blast all the dirt and dust from the inside of the frame. Make sure you have a nice sprayer with a long hose to get into the frame and go to town on the inside and outside. Obviously get the body too. The problem is have with paint is it will flake off over time no matter what.
I'm looking for a non aerosol metal coating that dries and protects my tools from rust. There is virtually nothing on the market that I can find. I really do not like aerosol cans because they are not reliable or cost effective compared to plain liquid in spray bottles. A thick liquid or paste that can be brushed on is wanted alternatively.
Fluid film and Woolwax are NOT compatible with GM's OE wax undercoating just a heads up if anyone looking to spray either of those on your frame. Fluid film after awhile will cause your coating to fall off usually happens while washing and hitting the frame with the hose. Woolwax will probably do the same thing. I reached out to the company to see if its compatible they said its not compatible with GM's wax coating so i didn't try it.
Yup, that's my underanding as well. I put a long blurb about it in the description and the video. It will cause the wax to fall off. HOWEVER after awhile, the wax isn't protecting the frame regardless and I've decided it's time to spray it all down because it is better than doing nothing, I will be applying a yearly coating from now on. Once you start doing it you can't stop.
Show me a GM wax frame that after 3 or 4 years hasn't fallen off on it's own. People want to blame the FF or the WW but the GM wax falls off even if they are not treated. So people treat their truck and then in 2 years say "Ff RuInEd My FrAmE cOaTiNg!!!" No, your GM wax coating is hot garbage and was going to fall off on it's own, coated or not...
I work with a lot of EngiNerds that go off all day long citing things they were "told" by so and so and such and such authority... You think the $10/hour customer service rep really knows anything about anything? Heck, 80% of the engineers here in Detroit who "designed" something who still know jack about it (Whomever designed the GM frame wax included) Much respect for @@RepairGeek @Project Farm @Quick Speed Shop for reading the instructions, but letting the proof remain in the "pudding". That's how it's supposed to work! czcams.com/video/VPHDZbWD6J0/video.html&lc=UgxXqoDuDM6vMtAYzZB4AaABAg.9hQ1Qwcgch19hQ5Vd_ZeuN
POR15 is terrible crap, dones't last and generally the worst coating. Ask anybody who's used it more than once. Summit Chassis Enamel is way better and is a two park catalyst system which will last. Don't do POR15. Also never use rubberized undercoating under a vehicle, water will get trapped between it and the frame and will accelerate your rusting situation.
@@TheSundaeDrive most guys that use catalyst based enamles don’t have to do any maintenance unless it gets ripped off from off roading or whatever. Otherwise you can apply it right on top of the old coat so you just touch it up. I’ve seen some 3-4 year reviews and it’s still in great shape. It doesn’t peel like por15.
So the wax GM used on Factory only ened up trapping salt and causing the frame to rust from inside out! Same with Toyota! Crazy! For this reason stay away from waxes. Fluid film ok. So yes using fluid film over these stupid waxes is likely a good idea as eventually as others have pointed out is it will remove and replace the stupid wax idea.
@@TheSundaeDrive nope nothing. I do not use washes with undersprayers or Drive through quick. The barrier to oxidation is the dirt and grime that collects in the fluid film.
@@Doniehg it does, very slowly. where i live in Canada they use salt and salt brine on the roads and there is tons and tons of ford trucks and its very rare to see any corroding yet. i have a 2018 f150 with 150k on it and the body is still absolutely perfect. frame is still black with the factory e-coat to
I have a 2018 Ram 2500 with 20,000 miles and my frame looks like crap. Also have some rust in one of the wheel wells. So whatever it is they are doing it isn't working very well. Off to the dealer it goes as it is still in warranty.
Did my 2015 Silverado with woolwax about a month ago. I had basically no wax left on the rear half of the truck frame. I did notice it definitely did soften the wax that was left towards the front of the truck as my jack rubbed it off. I don't mind doing touchups over the year where the wax comes off and I don't mind reapplying where needed every year. Better than rust
Yeah that's my thoughts exactly it's better just to keep applying this because eventually the wax is going to come off regardless of you spraying it or not
Thanks you make sence to me appreciated...its also said spray it locate dusty road floor it return coat of dust...
Awesome!!
Got you enjoyed it! Hope it helps!
Thing to keep in mind is that most of the frame rot happens from the inside. The stuff you see on the outside is mostly surface rust. The big damage comes from outside where water and salt can sit for a while.
Agree 100%.
Use extended reach spray wands & go slowly when spraying inside frams or inside cavities (rocker panels, door insides, inside fenders, supports on pickup truck beds, etc). Make sure to hit core supports too.
I have not had any adverse effects spraying fluid film on everything under my SUV. I do treat my door seals with silicone before spraying though. From their website " FLUID FILM has no adverse effects on plastics. Caution should be used around non oil-resistant rubber goods. May cause swelling." Great video thanks for sharing.
How do you know what’s oil resistant, though I would assume bushings and everything underneath the car would be oil resistant but you never know
Im doing my Suburban from out west with Rust-Oleum 7400 alkyd paint...I was doing a lot of research about POR based products for my truck and found out the 7400 is the best way to go...read about it over on steel soldiers forum and those guys collect the large military trucks and they swear by it so if they say it's better than POR and use it on their rigs then it's good enough for mine!...I don't plan on driving this rig in the Michigan winters we have but I do want it protected from moisture and to look good but I want to wait before I start coating because I plan on building a overland/rock crawler truck and I want to wait til all the welding is done and the axles are swapped etc...I even plan on using the 7400 on the bumpers and plan on pulling the carpet completely out of the truck and do the entire floor and firewall as well...comes in different colors...I don't know if anyone can share their story about using 7400 but I'd like to hear more good reviews from using the product!
I just bought a 2019 Silverado Im going to take the bed off and clean it and paint it, you said poa isn’t ideal on bare metal, I got 2 questions #1 does Does Eastwood have everything I would need for this project/is it safe to put on bare metal and #2 I live in Phoenix Az how often should I keep up with maintenance on my frame
I have a 2009 mercury mariner, and Roy will frame with the wheels are the frame is rusting on both sides of the wheels can I use spray or do I need to have it welded
yes it will soften the wax oil coating on gm trucks but fluid film will replace it within the course of a few years ..ive seen it firsthand on my truck as well as others
I spray tf outta EVERYTHING under my truck. Wires and all. Never had an issue with rubber components failing.
Good to know! Thanks :) how many years have you used it continually on the same vehicle? Just curious. Would be nice if I didn't need to worry about the wires
@@TheSundaeDrive about 4 years now. While I wouldn't start spraying it directly on them some getting on isn't gonna hurt. Most wires and hoses on a vehicle are oil resistant anyway. Body mounts may be different however
I spray the brake calipers. Stops them from turning into crust. Not on the rotors though.
How long do I need to wait after applying undercoating/fluid film?
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Welcome aboard fellow Cliff!
PB Blaster surface shield is better stuff brand new product works awesome stays on for 2 years won't damage anything I put 6 cans on my 2021 ram classic after I got it no rust for me
@thesundaedrive where’s the follow up video for the door panels?
I’ve lost three vehicles to rust… I applied fluid film to my new Nissan NV 3500 three years ago and touch it up every fall… over time these products create a durable grease barrier that shields salt water… there is not a lick of rust anywhere… this should be a yearly maintenance on any vehicle regardless of where you live. Vehicles today are capable of crazy longevity if you don’t listen to the manufacturer… change oil twice a year or ever 3-5k depending on how hard you are driving… and fluid film once a year…
Should also give cor-ban 22 a shot.
Can you do welding on frame after it's been spray with fluid film
If you're a good welder..
I wouldnt even recommend painting your frame if you are going to be fluidfilming/ surfaceshielding it every single year. Just do a good job prepping it the first time you coat it. Get all of the scale off of the outside and get a long air wand and blast all the dirt and dust from the inside of the frame. Make sure you have a nice sprayer with a long hose to get into the frame and go to town on the inside and outside. Obviously get the body too. The problem is have with paint is it will flake off over time no matter what.
what is the best instead of POR15? to coat your frame?
Zero Rust is a good option too
Where can I go to have my framework welded back there by my wheels without having to pay a lot of money
Use Magnet Paint chassis saver on the other frame. Imo it's much better than por 15.
I'll have to look into it. Thanks!
After you apply this are you allowed to wash the truck over the winter to get salt off or no?
You're allowed to for sure, I can't say via experience but FF says it won't jist wash off with the hose, but pressure washer will strip it off
Dies fluor film break o-rings etc?
No fluid film will not affect much on rubber/polymers
Too bad they dont use good steel anymore my dads 1962 chevy pickup the entire pickup rusted out bad except the frame and suspension.
Agreed, stronger steel would hold up better for sure
I'm looking for a non aerosol metal coating that dries and protects my tools from rust. There is virtually nothing on the market that I can find. I really do not like aerosol cans because they are not reliable or cost effective compared to plain liquid in spray bottles. A thick liquid or paste that can be brushed on is wanted alternatively.
You can buy this in jug form but does needed to be heated to flow.
cosmoline..
@@jamesquercia5529 - Thanks seriously!
I use NHoil. Fluid film makes the wax coating come off!
I thought pretty much everything makes the wax come off. Nhoil doesnt? A lot of my wax is gone as it is unfortunately just because of the age.
@@TheSundaeDrive nhoil doesn't!
I'll have to check that out. Thanks!
@@TheSundaeDrive pretty sure if you do it annually or by annual they give you a little warranty action.
I just have Krown applied each year.....
Also a great product from what I have heard!
There are so many other products that won't eat your electrical and hoses.. $100 for an undercoating sprayer as well...
Fluid film and Woolwax are NOT compatible with GM's OE wax undercoating just a heads up if anyone looking to spray either of those on your frame. Fluid film after awhile will cause your coating to fall off usually happens while washing and hitting the frame with the hose. Woolwax will probably do the same thing. I reached out to the company to see if its compatible they said its not compatible with GM's wax coating so i didn't try it.
Yup, that's my underanding as well. I put a long blurb about it in the description and the video. It will cause the wax to fall off. HOWEVER after awhile, the wax isn't protecting the frame regardless and I've decided it's time to spray it all down because it is better than doing nothing, I will be applying a yearly coating from now on. Once you start doing it you can't stop.
@Devin Herrington yup. My thoughts exactly. With my truck being 7 years old it's time.
Show me a GM wax frame that after 3 or 4 years hasn't fallen off on it's own. People want to blame the FF or the WW but the GM wax falls off even if they are not treated. So people treat their truck and then in 2 years say "Ff RuInEd My FrAmE cOaTiNg!!!" No, your GM wax coating is hot garbage and was going to fall off on it's own, coated or not...
Exactly. Well said
I work with a lot of EngiNerds that go off all day long citing things they were "told" by so and so and such and such authority... You think the $10/hour customer service rep really knows anything about anything? Heck, 80% of the engineers here in Detroit who "designed" something who still know jack about it (Whomever designed the GM frame wax included) Much respect for @@RepairGeek @Project Farm @Quick Speed Shop for reading the instructions, but letting the proof remain in the "pudding". That's how it's supposed to work!
czcams.com/video/VPHDZbWD6J0/video.html&lc=UgxXqoDuDM6vMtAYzZB4AaABAg.9hQ1Qwcgch19hQ5Vd_ZeuN
POR15 is terrible crap, dones't last and generally the worst coating. Ask anybody who's used it more than once. Summit Chassis Enamel is way better and is a two park catalyst system which will last. Don't do POR15. Also never use rubberized undercoating under a vehicle, water will get trapped between it and the frame and will accelerate your rusting situation.
Appreciate the feedback! Will definitely look into moe undercoating options for the future, what annual product do you recommend?
@@TheSundaeDrive most guys that use catalyst based enamles don’t have to do any maintenance unless it gets ripped off from off roading or whatever. Otherwise you can apply it right on top of the old coat so you just touch it up. I’ve seen some 3-4 year reviews and it’s still in great shape. It doesn’t peel like por15.
So the wax GM used on Factory only ened up trapping salt and causing the frame to rust from inside out! Same with Toyota! Crazy! For this reason stay away from waxes. Fluid film ok. So yes using fluid film over these stupid waxes is likely a good idea as eventually as others have pointed out is it will remove and replace the stupid wax idea.
they advertise this as safe with electrical components, I have sprayed this on everything for years
No issues with anything swelling?
@@TheSundaeDrive nope nothing. I do not use washes with undersprayers or
Drive through quick.
The barrier to oxidation is the dirt and grime that collects in the fluid film.
That's good to know it hasn't messed up anything. Makes me feel better about getting a little bit on some of the wires and hoses lol
@@TheSundaeDrive It only affects non-oil resistant rubber, aka, weatherstripping.
You can permanently respray fluid film yearly...
The problem is.. it’s a GM.
Ford and Ram moved over to e coating. Ford has the aluminum body so why anyone from salt roads buys GM is beyond me.
I wish they would ecoat. Every brand has their issues tho. Pick your poison lol
GM guys don't like to walk....... oh btw your "military grade" aluminum still CORODES
Maybe cause Ford is just as junk as all the rest. If not worse nowadays
@@Doniehg it does, very slowly. where i live in Canada they use salt and salt brine on the roads and there is tons and tons of ford trucks and its very rare to see any corroding yet. i have a 2018 f150 with 150k on it and the body is still absolutely perfect. frame is still black with the factory e-coat to
I have a 2018 Ram 2500 with 20,000 miles and my frame looks like crap. Also have some rust in one of the wheel wells. So whatever it is they are doing it isn't working very well. Off to the dealer it goes as it is still in warranty.
Rp342 wax protectant is amazing. Search on CZcams water repelled by Rp342
Thanks for the tip!
@@TheSundaeDrive 🙂 your welcome
Help I need help on my framework on my 2009 mercury mariner, text me or email me and give me some comments what’s the best thing to do