Did John Blake become Batman?
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2024
- THE DARK KNIGHT RISES writer Jonathan Nolan talks about what he thinks happened after the film. #happysadconfused #joshhorowitz #thedarkknightrises
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I appreciate that Nolan actually gave an answer here. Feels so validating.
I really liked the No Man's Land aspect in The Dark Knight Rises. From reading the novel years ago when I was in school, I thought it very interesting to see that in live action.
Ah so I'm not the only one who read that book in school! I didn't even know it was adapted from the comics at the time
I like to think that he *tried* to become Batman, realized he had not had anything like the fantasy ninja training Bruce had had and settled for becoming Nightwing and focused on Bludhaven. Which could have led to a fourth Batman movie, with another huge threat hitting Gotham and Bruce having to Batman for the last time one more time.
I always liked to think John Blake became Nightwing after the end...
They wouldn't have bothered with the new bat signal then.
same! it make much more sense too because blake name himself robin at the end of the movie and robin becomes Nightwing.
His characters name was actually robin..it should have been dick
@@eliminator173how would they know he’s a “nightwing” u nerd
@Battinson lol Battinson calling me a need. This what you look like 🤓
Only thing though is Blake wasn’t trained like Batman nor was he trained BY Batman. Hed have to be something more akin to Red Hood, but Blake didn’t like killing, so idk…
Thanks for asking, I was always interested!
Wait, Jonathan Nolan has an American accent?! 🤯
Clearly
Chris mostly grew up in the UK, Jonathan mostly grew up in America when the family moved to Chicago
He doesn't drop the accent until he's done the commentaries
According to some previous interview footage, Jonathan grew up with a British accent but then when he went to University in Chicago he felt that he needed to put on an American accent to blend in. So I suppose after enough time of doing that and being surrounded by Americans it become naturally. Chris on the other hand went to university in London
@@elijahcassidy their mom is also american so they're around the accent a lot
I felt that sigh at the beginning. But glad he has a series to direct now.
Riddler is kind of accidently in The Dark Knight. Coleman Reece, Mr. Reece. The guy who figured out who Batman was. I don't think it was intentional but it's in there if you want to see it.
My buddy said that, and I agree. Lil twerp who solved it.
@@DanielJohn-xr7ly It's one of the more interesting "easter eggs" that isn't really one.
It is absolutely intentional.
@@le_maxarus You can confirm this?
@@Kasigi03 come on, the character even looks like the classical version of The Riddler and he figured who Batman is?
Do you think Nolan would be so dumb to put a homophone to a character like that without noticing? No, my friend. Nolan is in every detail.
Ive kinda always thought since 2012 that Warner Bros offered Chris Nolan to come back for a 4th movie and have JOhn Blake be a sort of Robin type character and possibly have Christian Bale return at some point.
But at this point its also possible that Nolan wanted to move on aswell, plus Warner Bros/DC may have pushed for characters like Catwoman and Robin to be in the 3rd movie so they may have gotten too demanding and controlling over what happens in the new movies.
Good point, 9 times out of 10 it's the producers/studios who mess things up.
They actually offered money to Christian Bale to reprise the role for Batman v Superman. At the time they thought in connect both universes, but after he declined they went with Affleck and the rest is history
Jonathan Nolan or Josh Brolin?
Or Dax Sheppard
or Theo Von
Or Ethan Hawke?
Or Steve Harvey
@@blaqcvts had to ruin it 🙄
I would assume some new big threat would take batman out of retirement, and make him team up with blake who would have become either robin or nightwing in his absence
Johnathan was the backbone of the TDK trilogy, Christopher didn't get it and only wanted to make the first film, WB and his brother Johnathan here pushed to keep going. In fact, all of your favorite moments and dialogue from the trilogy is all from Johnathan.
I’m glad it’s only 3 movies it doesn’t need to be milked
No, he was to my view supposed to become robin and i would've loved to see it!!
He became Batman, Bruce more than likely stayed in touch and trained him. The new bat signal is all the evidence you need. Just as the dark knight's ending took care of the criminals no longer fearing Batman because of the no kill rule by having him take the blame for those murders, rises takes care of the" he is only a man" problem by having him survive a F#@king nuke. This makes Batman an undying mythological symbol in the form of the cowl being passed on to the next Batman over and over again. In my opinion, that is what they were going for. Ras al ghul said " then, you become something more...LEGEND Mr. Wayne " thus,The trilogy comes full circle. I'am in a rush and could elaborate more but each ending of the three had such amazing purpose and is one of the many reasons I love this trilogy.
I knew that it was impossible to top The Dark Knight. But I do believe Tom Hardy did GREAT job portraying Bane... and a disservice how his ending was written. :(
What? Tom ruined the franchise with that stupid over the top performance. He felt like a Clooney Batman villain.
Agreed, Catwoman blowing him away after Batman emphasized, no guns earlier, is a cheap way to deal with the situation.
A great job? Really?
@@callmeinstead Yeah, really.
@Kasigi03 Utter dogship interpretation of the character. Not as bad as the god awful Batman and Robin version, but still not good.
Man, I feel so bad for Nolan. All he wants to do is talk Fallout as a fan, but people just keep bringing up a film he did 15 years ago.
It’s a 45 minute long form sit down… he knew what he was getting in to..
"i feel so bad for Nolan" mf he live in a 4 million dollar mansion
Tough life
These questions haven't really been asked though.
Asking a couple of questions that aren’t about fallout in a 45 minute interview is fine, hush
I’ve always wondered about Blake’s story as a vigilante as well.
I could see a Nolan take on Batman Beyond w/ Blake as the new Batman and old Bruce in an advisory behind the scenes role working pretty well. Doubt it will ever happen of course…
Unless Bruce Wayne left a well-funded trust in Blake's name, John Blake made enough money to be Batman for about a day or two.
skills that I learned in the mountains
John Blake definitely died on his first night as Batman, dude was not ready
I always wondered why Bruce didn't train him
I always thought if the films continued Blake would had became Nightwing
At the end of that movie, I was like, "He picks up the mantle as who? Is he Robin, Nightwing, or Batman?"
After the dark knight rises, everyone went home wondering how the hell they could follow dark knight with this
Well, since the Nolanverse is kaput, we'll never know.
A Phillip Seymour Hoffman Pengy would have fit in nicely. Extra sleazy.
The Dark knight rises reminds me of a Charles Dickens novel named a Tale of two cities
Because that's what they were inspired by...Gordon even reads from it near the end
@@Nova-fh2et I didn’t know that 😀
Chris said it’s the closest he will get to adapting the novel
@@erictzogas2580 Wow I didn’t know that
that's becuase TDKR took inspiration from a Tale of two cities
he was Robin. It even says it in the movie with his ID. Why is everyone saying he becomes Batman?
My head, Cannon was always that he tried, and then Immediate Got killed by the Joker leading to Under the Red Hood.
Well he seems to get Fallout nore than he does Batman at least... probably because Fallout isnt a character.
Damn this guy wanted to go Snyder route with apocalypse Batman, thank God the Nolan series ended with Dark Knight Rises.
That's not what he was saying, he was saying TDKR *was* post-apocalyptic in the sense that Gotham was, in a way, destroyed. All sense of democratic governance was gone and criminals took over the city.
He's using the term a bit hyperbolically here as we're only looking at one city vs the entire world, but the point remains. He wasn't arguing that they were going to blow up the entire world in a future sequel or anything.
After the dark knight rises I went home
People would rather know what they had planned for the Joker if Ledge wouldn’t have passed
The novelization explained that Joker was locked up in Arkham during the events of TDKR
Man. If Ethan Hawke and Josh Brolin had a child.
John Blake became Robin. Not Batman
There should have been a fourth movie that picked where Rises ended. With a guy in a rubber suit living beneath an orphanage.
Uh I thought he was Robin?
Batman is a reluctant hero?
Jesus Christ…
They honored the sacrifice of Batman with a statue. Why dress up as Batman? It would undo the sacrifice of the symbol of Batman
John Nolan in past interview confined Bale's Batman killed in all 3 films. 😂. Folks hate that fact
What?
Nothing. The story was finished. Nothing happened.
I like what Jonathan Nolan says about the idea of a Batman as a reluctant hero.
As opposed to some interpretations where its the only thing that makes life worth living for him and that he needs Joker to keep killing so he Batman will feel fulfillment.
The ending was so ridiculous and confusing.
"So you did this Fallout show? Anywayn lets talk about a Batman thing."
Jezus, dude..
Rises is my favorite because it felt like an awesome post apocalyptic movie even tho it was pretty much just one city.
Why wasn't John Blake just Dick Grayson? The guy looks like Robin. Robin should of been in that movie.
Because everything in that last movie was stupid. Dark Knight is my favorite movie ever and DKR is one of my least liked movies ever.
I assume because his circus backstory isn't all that relatable to younger viewers. As a Gen-Xer I've been to a circus but younger generations may not know what that is. Nolan wanted realism so he created a young cop character instead. He wasn't a teenaged orphan who Bruce becomes guardian to. Realistically how would Bruce have the time to train him.
I don’t understand why people are so angry at TDKR
The trilogy as a whole was absolutely good viewing and a far cry from what we had previously in terms of comic book adaptations
But rather than accept it and enjoy it for what it was, they still moan, 12 years later…
Jesus Christ, move on and get a life, it exists
Go and write your own stories if you’re so annoyed at someone writing theirs! It’s not yours to be angry at and you’re owed nothing
What is it that you have seen why people are so angry about TDKR ?
No.... People can have opinions.
@@chrgeorgesonand people can be black. It goes both ways
@@slycat128people can F jo mama too, if they wanna
@@slycat128 lol wtf?
But Batman's voice though.... did John Blake find a need to gargle gravel before taking down goons?
Why do geeks tend to bring this stuff up and ignore someone is literally running about in rubber costumes and the whole concept is actually ridiculous
His voice was fine for what it was 👍
The voice made sense for the naturalistic world they were going for. Pattinson's voice also makes sense in a world where security at Arkham will just let him in and visit a maximum security inmate. I wonder if he wrote "Batman" on the sign in sheet...
He doesn’t need to have a different voice
Bruce is world famous so he had to change his voice, Blake isn’t
It’s strange….they filmed a scene that explained the voice, but it was cut from the first film. To disguise his voice, those little triangle shaped things that screwed in his cape to his costume were voice modulators. Like the killer in the SCREAM flicks. It was merely a way to intimidate and protect Bruce’s identity, but became a bit of a joke instead.
@@jb8280 not that Bane's voice was that much better. Some of his dialogue is still hard to make out after multiple viewings. An in canon explanation would have been cool.
Doesn't really matter, in TDKR cops are suddenly all good, so they don't really need Batman anymore, just more cops.
That's a misunderstanding of the point and of the specific scenario in The Dark Knight Rises. In those movies, the police force is a reflection of the circumstances that exist in their society. In Batman Begins and throughout The Dark Knight, corruption runs rampant at every level of Gotham's infrastructure, which makes responsible governance and policing impossible for the few good city officials and police that were active. That's a force of corruption, and it traced its origins to the mob. Batman was the force which expelled that corruption by going outside of the law so as to facilitate its enforcement alongside his allies in the police force and at City Hall, which allowed Gotham to exist in an era where law & order meant something in Gotham - which is the premise of The Dark Knight Rises. Batman released Gotham from under the control of organized crime that had created a circumstance where actual justice was unachievable. Batman, by his own moral values, shouldn't exist in a just society - that's why he's characterized as a 'reluctant hero', but one who also has a pathological need to be 'Batman' (this is what makes him interesting, the dichotomy between self-gratification and actual heroism). The point was there will come a time when someone will again act as a force of corruption on the city, and Batman will be necessary. When that will happen, how it manifests, is left up to the imagination of the viewer.
It would be great if he became night wing
"We've always liked the idea of Batman as a reluctant hero."
Eh? I genuinely can't think of a comic hero *less* reluctant than Batman.
I swear sometimes I wonder whether people actually pay attention or their cognitive biases are so strong that they short circuit their skills at rational deduction. The triology sets forth the idea that Wayne is creating a symbolic legacy and he isn't going to do this forever - "as a symbol I can be everlasting"; "Batman is looking for someone to take up his mantle"; "Batman could be anybody". He wants the iconography to inspire people to stand up against corruption. It follows that he doesn't want to do this forever and if he has to keep going, his high level purpose hasn't been achieved. That's the root of the reluctance...
@@Chad_Max That's not "reluctance", that's Bruce Wayne setting up a thing that can potentially carry on past him. He has a personal *need* to do it for himself, he doesn't fight crime purely out of an external drive of "Well somebody's gotta do it" responsibility. He's driven out of an internal compulsion to fix what he couldn't as a child.
He's not "reluctant" to do that.
@@Chad_Max Calm your boobs nerd.
He became nightwing.
I'm on the fence with TDKR. Bane's dialogue and performance was awesome. That's kinda where the good stuff ends. Oh, and them punishing the rich, awesome. Bane's disrespect of Bruce Wayne/Batman was outstanding. But here's where it goes left. They somehow magically trapped 3000 "cops" in the sewers of the city. Are you for real? How? Most outrageous writing in a long time. Probably ever. They were driving the bomb around the city, that took 5 months to explode. They cut Gotham off from the rest of the world. Really? And I could go on. I mean they were really swinging for the fences with the writing in that one. I still enjoyed the movie though.
“Them punishing the rich, awesome.☝️🤓”
Yeah, plot devices like that really stretch credibility. They always make the villain too invincible.
Bane was easily the worst part of the entire franchise. When South Park does a whole episode on how stupid your performance was you know it's bad.
@@smellywaffels1967 That point is not valid. South Park makes fun of everything. They made fun of the movie Inception, and I'm pretty sure you liked that. They made fun gentrification, them home renovating shows, disabled people, weed farms, which I know you also love. South Park making fun of stuff doesn't mean anything except they just wanted to make fun of that subject. Period.
John Blake doesn't become Batman because that would undo Batman's sacrifice. He does however learn the tech gadgets and trains to become Nightwing. That is what made sense in that universe to me. Because he was already Robin, with the reveal of his name.
This Guy has a hard time fighting off regular guys at the construction yard plus had zero training in fighting,bigger plus he had no Lucius or Alfred= death by his 4th night out 😂😂😂😂
John Blake never becomes Batman. He keeps the symbol alive. The city doesnt need a hero anymore.
Nightwing was the logical direction but DC fkd it up.
Hardly.
I mean I guess you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. The bad writing and cringey acting weren’t his fault. Had to be other people involved. I’ll still give season 2 a try but man it has a short leash now. Terrible spot on his resume.
I think we should all agree that the dark knight rises is bad and everyone involved would just like to pretend it doesn't exist. Screenrants pitch meeting summarizes it pretty well lol
Unbelievably awful.😢
Bro John Blake is the worst character created. Nolan would forever be the man don't know shit about Batman
Bale‘s Batman quitting and going to Paris or whatever was the worst moment in the whole trilogy for me
Even worse than some random street cop being the first guy tk figure out who batman is with no actual evidence and just tell him that and then be handed out the keys to the batcave? ... well.. i guess that's not one moment... but it sucks
@@masterofallgoons”sucks” says the guy venting on a YT comment section…
Go and write your own story and see what people think of your skills🤷♂️
Being upset about something that was made well over a decade ago is just boring mate, there’s been thousands of movies made since then, it’s fine
@@user-dm2nx4yu5o - these always some of the weirdest comments.. I'm not upset at all, but in your view nobody can ever have a critical thought about anything ever. Only constant effusive praise is acceptable... of course the same point could be made back at you for criticizing criticism...
Makes sense for the naturalistic world they created. His whole methodology from the first film was to create a symbolic legacy knowing that he wasn't going to do this forever. The movie made it clear he was physically banged up so the end was imminent...
Batman quit in comics too, you know..
Loved the first two but the last one was trash. The best example of white washing a character gone wrong. Tom Hardy was so stupid and bad in that role that South Park did a whole episode mocking how stupid it was. Should've had a Hispanic actor that wasn't going to do that stupid voice or have Leo play Riddler.
Awful movie even worse than the first.
My buddy, who wrote DKR, before Nolan stole it from him and covered that up with a ruinous intent, slept on a floor for a year is what happened. This show business, full of supposed self programming, but also totally pliant losers, let that plagiarism slide. 💯
Ha. Ok..
The play-pretend with your action figures is leaking into play-pretending in real life, Gus.
Cause this happened. I take care of
Okay. Why is the writing so much better than usual Nolan fare on DKR? It's because my buddies the better writer, and was summarily, severely punished.
You're a dude, defending a dude who writes fiction, telling a dude who collects fiction that he's childish. Come back with something better, or that makes sense.
TDKR was draft 1.5 of what should have been a three-draft work.
The inspiration just wasn't there.