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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  Před 2 lety +46

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    So as always please keep in mind the F-35 is simply a mod and does not represent the classified nature of the aircraft, and we make fun of Fat Amy but she's not designed to fight like this so given that fact I think it did decently well against one of the best dogfighters of all time, big thank you to Shotgun for flying the F-35 for us. See you in the next one guys, Much Love.

    • @Anarchy_420
      @Anarchy_420 Před 2 lety +1

      Mosquito VS Pucara
      T-45 Goshawk VS F-14 Tomcat
      F-15S/MTD VS F-16I Sufa Fox2 Dogfight!👍

    • @berkosmansatiroglu
      @berkosmansatiroglu Před 2 lety

      F35 is stealth and it use long range missiles. That is different vehicle.

    • @vuktonic6281
      @vuktonic6281 Před 2 lety +1

      Pls try mig 29 over Serbia during NATO offesnive in 1999, against f15 or f16

    • @Anarchy_420
      @Anarchy_420 Před 2 lety +1

      6:01 only one way to find out ;)

    • @christopherjpfaff8460
      @christopherjpfaff8460 Před 2 lety +1

      BVR f16 vs f35? I want to see where/how the f35 is/could be dangerous.

  • @supercomp65
    @supercomp65 Před 2 lety +949

    If a non stealth aircraft manages to actually merge with an f35, multiple mistakes were already made

    • @bedhunter
      @bedhunter Před 2 lety +36

      I generally agree but I'm not convinced. An intersection mission could escalate, for example. That's the case of the mission from which the audio at the begging of GS videos is taken, or NATO policing mission over baltics countries.
      Then again, you don't need a stealth fighter for that.

    • @SP-fc9bx
      @SP-fc9bx Před 2 lety

      Pretty much... Given that they're now slaving F-15 missile trucks to F-35's... I don't think anyone will be getting close enough to see them (even with IRST) before they get batted with no less than three missiles in the face.

    • @danieloutzen9802
      @danieloutzen9802 Před 2 lety +61

      @@durandil If the other aircraft is better it will kill the F-35 in BVR, but most aircrafts can't do that

    • @nikzei
      @nikzei Před 2 lety +53

      @@durandil you dont really get in dogfights nowadays, mostly long range missile shooting, and f-35 can detect enemies before they detect you.

    • @sharkoftheskies3256
      @sharkoftheskies3256 Před 2 lety +35

      @@durandil the f35 also has been been dominating in dogfights against the f16 since the end of its development.

  • @kinepowayvalliere8590
    @kinepowayvalliere8590 Před 2 lety +629

    Need to see the F-35 in a BVR.

    • @pixel6173
      @pixel6173 Před 2 lety

      if a BVR fight does ever happen, you wont see anything until you suddenly get an RWR warning and die. stealth aircraft bvr doesnt seem too great for content lmao

    • @theninteyninekid4232
      @theninteyninekid4232 Před 2 lety +37

      Gotta think that’s what it was made for

    • @bogdanivchenko3723
      @bogdanivchenko3723 Před 2 lety +75

      You can't see F-35 in BVR.

    • @bamboleusz8299
      @bamboleusz8299 Před 2 lety

      Good idea

    • @sirethanthegreat4069
      @sirethanthegreat4069 Před 2 lety +15

      @Dartgame 340 the f22 actually dominated in other vids.

  • @jporter504
    @jporter504 Před 2 lety +479

    The F-35 with internal stores vs a combat loaded F-16 would be a different story, especially in a one circle fight.

    • @fattyMcGee97
      @fattyMcGee97 Před 2 lety +131

      An F-35 vs F-16 BVR fight with the F-35 using only internal weapons bays would be a massively different story. The F-35 would shit all over the F-16 in a BVR fight. This is to be expected as BVR is exactly what the F-35 was built for when it comes to air to air engagements.
      That’s not to say an F-16 couldn’t defeat an F-35 in a BVR fight, but it would be defensive the entire time and struggle to get a lock to return fire. It would only really win after closing to within a few miles of the F-35 and still would require the F-35 to mess up and wind up in a dogfight situation

    • @thejunkmanlives
      @thejunkmanlives Před 2 lety +37

      thats exactly what i what i was about to post. comparing them in a clean config is really under selling what the 35 can do.

    • @a24396
      @a24396 Před 2 lety +56

      Yep, the F-16 here is flying clean - and that isn't how it would fly in any actual combat condition.
      It also ignores the experience pilots in Red Flag had when flying the F-35 against just about everyone: they dominated.
      I'm with you, I think this was a really unfair set-up.

    • @mattrogers9559
      @mattrogers9559 Před 2 lety +63

      @@a24396 The distinction everybody forgets: how an aircraft is represented in DCS is not how that aircraft actually flies. Canada didn't pick the F-35 to replace their Hornets because they suddenly didn't care about dogfighting, after all...

    • @genephillips3205
      @genephillips3205 Před 2 lety +18

      Reality>DCS

  • @TomSarh
    @TomSarh Před 2 lety +202

    Shotgun might not be winning but there's no doubt he's an excellent pilot

  • @geedub7912
    @geedub7912 Před 2 lety +81

    That was pretty cool when Shotgun managed to glide his already dead bird long enough to get a few rounds off on you before his bird totally stalled and had to bail. That pilot did a really awesome job, especially considering what he was up against.

    • @icebolt0864
      @icebolt0864 Před 2 lety +8

      No shade on Shotgun, none at all. That level of flying is why I want to see GS fly the Panther/Fat Amy. I want to see GS push it to the limit in BVR and dogfighting. I want that turn by turn breakdown of what's going on in their heads from the F-35's perspective!

    • @geedub7912
      @geedub7912 Před 2 lety +1

      @@icebolt0864 I'd like to see that too!! 👍

    • @icebolt0864
      @icebolt0864 Před 2 lety +1

      @@geedub7912 Me three! 😎 👍

  • @musman9853
    @musman9853 Před 2 lety +44

    A f35 HOBS fox 2 fight would be interesting to see

  • @krabzy3933
    @krabzy3933 Před 2 lety +86

    Growling can you do a F-14 or f-18 scramble video where you need to take off from a carrier to intercept longhsot in a random jet?

  • @1MADZ
    @1MADZ Před 2 lety +320

    The f-35 was designed to not be seen but to be able to give situational awareness to everybody else and also to be used as a strike weapon. I think everybody in the comments knows this. Like GS said it can still fight if it has to but it does not want to lol

    • @NisseOhlsen
      @NisseOhlsen Před 2 lety +12

      Yes, but we are a small country (Denmark) in an area that can really get congested with planes pretty quickly. And then what?

    • @narcissus79
      @narcissus79 Před 2 lety +16

      @@NisseOhlsen I've wondered this myself. Australia has also gone with f-35's, and i wonder what we will use in conjunction with it, because i can't imagine they will be effective by themselves

    • @longshot7601
      @longshot7601 Před 2 lety +21

      @@narcissus79 I see the F-18E/Fs carrying large missile loads and the F-35 being used as a remote sensor for them.

    • @narcissus79
      @narcissus79 Před 2 lety +3

      @@longshot7601 that makes sense! I want sure how many f18's we were keeping, but we only recently upgraded the super hornets didn't we?

    • @Pman353
      @Pman353 Před 2 lety +17

      @@NisseOhlsen the F-35 is a dominant BVR fighter which is how most modern air conflict happens. And as Growling mentioned during the last fight, modern dogfights use missiles not guns.

  • @jakobcarlsen6968
    @jakobcarlsen6968 Před 2 lety +20

    I worked on the F-16 for 20 years. Only times it flew clean like you fly it was test flights and airshows.

    • @jeffrielley920
      @jeffrielley920 Před 2 lety

      20 years on the same jet? Geez, I was in the Air Force for only 6 years and worked on three different fighters.

    • @jakobcarlsen6968
      @jakobcarlsen6968 Před 2 lety +2

      @@jeffrielley920 The selection in Norway wasn' all that great. But I got F-16 OCU, MLU1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6 and M6.5

    • @jakobcarlsen6968
      @jakobcarlsen6968 Před 2 lety +1

      Not to go to far into wrestling, but the F-16 is sort of like Bret Hart. The best there is, the best there was, the best there will ever be!

    • @rotary7372
      @rotary7372 Před 2 lety

      @@jeffrielley920 Really? What was your job?

    • @jeffrielley920
      @jeffrielley920 Před 2 lety

      @@rotary7372 Crew Chief on F-4s, A-7s and A-10s.

  • @flaxseedoil1000
    @flaxseedoil1000 Před 2 lety +48

    Have lived next to F-16s for 30 years, F-35s have been showing up lately. Because they are so much louder I can always tell when the F-35s are up. No complaints, March ARB is a great neighbor and we get free airshows 😁

    • @davidhall2197
      @davidhall2197 Před 2 lety +1

      Riverside, CA. We used to live in Corona. My older brother was stationed at March when he worked as a mechanic on C130s. Then up the 215 at Norton.

    • @sagrzmnky
      @sagrzmnky Před 2 lety +3

      Same here in San Antonio, Texas. We have the Lonestar Gunfighters fly over my shop every day. There have been a few F-35's fly in and they are really loud.

    • @erikk1744
      @erikk1744 Před 2 lety +4

      I live 50km / 30 miles away from an active military airbase, I also hear the deep rumbles of the Pratt & Whitney engine on a weekly basis. Love it.

    • @cjmunnee3356
      @cjmunnee3356 Před 2 lety +2

      When I was a kid, I lived in an apartment that was probably less than a mile from the south gate at Hill AFB. I'd hear F-16s fly over almost daily.

    • @VulcanM61
      @VulcanM61 Před 2 lety +1

      I grew up in Bodø Norway and almost everyday i heard F16`s. That plane is special to me.

  • @radiack123
    @radiack123 Před 2 lety +31

    the same criticism made to the F35 were made with the F16, the only difference was social media at the time (1970s)

    • @outwardpanicjoe8950
      @outwardpanicjoe8950 Před 2 lety +2

      You the only other person I have ever seen that has mad that connection props

    • @deathdragon2283
      @deathdragon2283 Před 2 lety +1

      Same with the F-15.

    • @skeksis1085
      @skeksis1085 Před 2 lety +4

      The F/A-18 as well, you can still find 70s-80s era videos on CZcams of all the controversy surrounding the Hornets while they were in development and early deployment.
      Turns out fighter aircraft are not simple machines and the DOD wants to make sure they get it right even if that tacks two years and a few bucks on top of projections.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Před 2 lety +1

      F-16 wasn’t really criticized for performance because it had hot rod performance. It was criticized for its safety and mishap rate. I was there from the YF-16 days to the present front and center at the USAF Flight Test Center, and we were involved with its development later on with Block 30/40 A2A capes expansion after it had matured.
      We didn’t know it at the time, but we had lost 143 F-16s with 71 fatalities in its first 10 years of service from 1978-1988. We got involved with F-16C/D Block 30/40 in 1987.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Před 2 lety +1

      @@deathdragon2283 F-15 was pretty well-received. The only people who criticized weren’t really heard at the time, but their idiotic comments have become known since by the few that care to look for them.

  • @Andy_XT
    @Andy_XT Před 2 lety +32

    The F-Teens are really something. They marked an era and generated so many aircraft enthusiasts.

    • @920utdoors9
      @920utdoors9 Před 2 lety +6

      Same with F-4 before them

    • @Andy_XT
      @Andy_XT Před 2 lety +1

      @@920utdoors9 Definitely! Another favourite of mine. A mean beauty!

    • @dud3man6969
      @dud3man6969 Před 2 lety

      With anti radar missiles stealth could become inconsequential.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Před 2 lety +1

      @@dud3man6969 Part of stealth is EMCON and LPI AESAs networked together. How do you think ARMs will work against that?

    • @Vern_Trertnert
      @Vern_Trertnert Před rokem

      I was in a band called the F-Teens

  • @Anarchy_420
    @Anarchy_420 Před 2 lety +14

    F-22 VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR!👍

  • @dimitrispatsiaouras713
    @dimitrispatsiaouras713 Před 2 lety +39

    Hey I think that the flight model underrepresents the F-35 . Yes it is nowhere close to the F-16 in the rate fight but the AoA performance of the F-35 is way better than you think . I suggest watching the F-35 demo you can see it can pull a massive amount of AoA . It wouldn't really change the outcome of the fight but the playing field would be more even . Any way great video .

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Před 2 lety +22

      F-35As have been turning F-16s into strafe rags in BFM for years now. Neither of these aircraft are modeled correctly in DCS. The F-16 has far better performance in STR, and the F-35A has better performance in AOA, ITR, STR, and climb rate. The first thing I noticed was how freaking fast an F-35 can climb. Keep in mind I’ve watched the F-16 from its infancy as the YF-16 up through the CCIP Vipers and every Block in between at the USAF AFFTC at Edwards AFB.
      The Dutch dominated Nellis AFB Aggressors for a week straight, while they were carrying GBUs in the weapons bays. F-16s started out with 2x370 Gal tanks, ACMI, and CATM-9s on Day 1, then got dog raped every set. Came back the next day with 300Gal centerline, still got humiliated. Towards the end of the week, they stripped down entirely just to ACMI and CATM-9 to even it out a little, but still weren’t able to break over 1:1, and remained inferior.
      The Dutch were high hour Viper drivers themselves who converted, but they said they learned how to exploit the many advantages the F-35A has over the F-16 in BFM, so the F-16s were just left behind. The fact they were doing it while carrying bombs really rubbed it in. This DCS modeling is just not representative of the actual performance characteristics.

    • @outwardpanicjoe8950
      @outwardpanicjoe8950 Před 2 lety +4

      @@LRRPFco52 yep that's the issue I have with alot of modern mods ect that are cool to mess with but you have to take what you get with a grain of salt but not many people do that.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Před 2 lety +4

      @@outwardpanicjoe8950 If they want a realistic flight engine for the F-16C Block 50, they need to increase the STR by at least 7deg/sec.
      For the F-35, combine the flight model of a baby Hornet with a turbo-charged Viper.

    • @outwardpanicjoe8950
      @outwardpanicjoe8950 Před 2 lety +1

      @@LRRPFco52 for the f35 I'm not sure if it's possible as mods are normally based on another paid moduel I think and mods just don't have access to most if the tool to make alot of the needed changes anyway. As far as I know.

    • @Shadowboost
      @Shadowboost Před 2 lety +1

      @@LRRPFco52 the F16 has better climb rate than the F35

  • @guyperson9417
    @guyperson9417 Před 2 lety +88

    A combat loaded F-35 would annihilate a combat loaded viper in a dogfight due to the fact that the F-35 carries its armaments internally. These gun only dogfights in clean configurations don’t really mean anything in terms of real world application. Still very entertaining to watch though! It’s just kinda disappointing when people make conclusions about the f-35 from videos like this.

    • @MaciejRM
      @MaciejRM Před 2 lety +5

      Im disagree. If for some reason you stuck in dogfight and You fighting for your live. You push button to drop all heavy stuff, then kill opponent and go back home.

    • @gaz0463
      @gaz0463 Před 2 lety +20

      @@MaciejRM the point he’s making is with both planes loaded with weapons the F35 is still stealthy and very difficult to detect. It can see the enemy from a very long way away (from horizon to horizon) passively and only use its active radar to lock a weapon on to the target and fire it to minimise detection. Your enemy would barely realise you’re there before been taken out with a missile.

    • @MaciejRM
      @MaciejRM Před 2 lety +3

      @@internetposta7389 I think that if the need arose, it is no problem to dump unnecessary stuff

    • @thearisen7301
      @thearisen7301 Před 2 lety +12

      @@MaciejRM Yeah drop all your missiles while the other guy has sidewinders. That'll work out well.

    • @Gunfreak19
      @Gunfreak19 Před 2 lety +4

      @@thearisen7301 The emergency jettison does not drop AA weapons, only tanks, bombs, AG missiles etc. So you'd still have Sidewinders And or Amraams.

  • @nomar5spaulding
    @nomar5spaulding Před 2 lety +5

    When you played the slowmo replay of the first kill, and I saw the cannon shells just ripping apart that wing and tail end of the F-35, I instantly though, "Gonna need some flex tape for this one."

  • @kwkfortythree39
    @kwkfortythree39 Před 2 lety +13

    Read accounts of Norwegian f35 pilots about eating clean F16 in dogfights

    • @Dan-xo9ly
      @Dan-xo9ly Před 2 lety

      I wonder if its just because they can't tell where the f35 is... tactics may change that.

  • @brettmillett3851
    @brettmillett3851 Před 2 lety +39

    Luckily for F35 pilots, the chances are pretty slim to get into a turning fight with vipers (or, more realistically, something like Fulcrums etc.) US Air Force claims a 20-1 kill ratio against older non-stealthy Viper types in simulated fights (Red Flag.)
    Love these videos! I watch every one of them. This is my favorite DCS Chanel hands down (I don’t even play, I just love military aviation 😊)

    • @daltonv5206
      @daltonv5206 Před 2 lety +10

      it's higher than that now. think it's 78-1

    • @saltyfloridaman7163
      @saltyfloridaman7163 Před 2 lety +8

      @@daltonv5206 its 178-0 bvr, it was originally a 16-1and now it's a 20-1 for dogfights. The 78 is just a hearsay mix up from the bvr number. In terms of air maneuverability, the F-35A is superior to the F-16, people just seem to never believe it

    • @daltonv5206
      @daltonv5206 Před 2 lety +4

      @@saltyfloridaman7163 looking at what they've started to show in airshows...I believe it. Maneuverability wise

  • @rexmann1984
    @rexmann1984 Před 2 lety +10

    "I don't think fat Amy can pull out that buddy."
    *BOOM*
    "That's why they call her fat Amy" 🤣😆🤣😆😆🤣

  • @MrSinnerBOFH
    @MrSinnerBOFH Před 2 lety +18

    That’s not a crash! That’s a Special Landing Operation!

  • @SPak-rt2gb
    @SPak-rt2gb Před 2 lety +5

    Just saw two F-15's practice dogfighting yesterday while out fishing in the Owens Valley Calif. looked like they were doing figure 8's and the noise was tremendous

  • @pilotpowell7
    @pilotpowell7 Před 2 lety +47

    Is it possible in DCS to put the F35 in the type of environment that it was designed to fight in?

    • @EndlessInfinity1
      @EndlessInfinity1 Před 2 lety +25

      I don't think DCS could fit Fat Amy inside a Golden Corral.

    • @Quillevergreen12345
      @Quillevergreen12345 Před 2 lety +21

      It’s great in BVR missions and shines all day in them.

    • @AG-wg1sy
      @AG-wg1sy Před 2 lety

      @@EndlessInfinity1 I was gonna say in a toilet bowl... but Golden Corral works LOL

    • @adamwoodford7629
      @adamwoodford7629 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Quillevergreen12345 as long as there's no thunderstorms nearby..

    • @benokanruzgar8863
      @benokanruzgar8863 Před 2 lety +3

      By environment, do you mean to the "Sky" ?

  • @idiesalot4905
    @idiesalot4905 Před 2 lety +14

    I'd love to see the Viper take on the Felon

  • @a.k.7840
    @a.k.7840 Před 2 lety +90

    Have you done any BVR content with the F-35? I'd be curious to see it perform in the environment it was designed for, even though we don't know it's true specs.

    • @ilteryildiz
      @ilteryildiz Před 2 lety +8

      Yeap I really want to see a bvr between this two

    • @maple1234567890321
      @maple1234567890321 Před 2 lety

      also, f22 BVR against f16

    • @mr.z6252
      @mr.z6252 Před 2 lety +8

      @@maple1234567890321 Well that's a bit Unfair

  • @bujoun76
    @bujoun76 Před 2 lety +29

    Unfortunately we will all need to wait for a serious updated to the F-35 (family) flight model.
    This slapped togehter monstrosity is still rockin' a HUD.
    And because of the lack of a more accurate flight modeling the F-35 can't fight its fight which is in the slow speed arena much like the F-18.

    • @beliveau4943
      @beliveau4943 Před 2 lety +4

      Agreed the f35 is much more maneuverable than this still interesting though

  • @Quillevergreen12345
    @Quillevergreen12345 Před 2 lety +14

    Who are my pilots that watch these videos wanting to be a fighter pilot.

  • @Forscythe80
    @Forscythe80 Před 2 lety +11

    I'd like to see the same matchup but start at BVR. See if the F-16 can get to dogfighting to start with. Or if the F-35 would take down the F-16 using its advantages, ie: stealth. No rules. Missles, guns, at range etc. Whatever you need to do. Like if it was 'real'.

  • @larikauranen2159
    @larikauranen2159 Před 2 lety +21

    Dispite the f35 always losing, i enjoy the vids where its featured. Now we just need the BVR battles with it or against it

  • @actingkeith
    @actingkeith Před 2 lety +10

    Try this as an F-35 tactic (I'd really like to see if it's possible)... go into the merge at full throttle, exit the merge into the sun (to combine the sun and the F-35's IR reduction), extend to the point where she's BVR, and make the fight her own... yes, that's not a "dogfight" but then again dogfighting is a 4th-and-lower generation idea.

    • @user-wc3wu2mx3m
      @user-wc3wu2mx3m Před 2 lety +4

      I do kinda doubt if the sun and IR reduction will be enough to extend away that far without anything succesfully tracking it. But if that _is_ possible then that would be an interesting idea.

    • @actingkeith
      @actingkeith Před 2 lety +1

      @@user-wc3wu2mx3m I'd like to see someone try

    • @SoltyII
      @SoltyII Před 2 lety +1

      You can't really extend with F35 though, it's slower than most fighters of today. Also I don't know how stealthy the back is, engine is quite a bit larger surface than F-22's engines.

    • @republicofustio4381
      @republicofustio4381 Před 2 lety +4

      Also, dogfighting will ALWAYS be relevant, regardless of what generation of aircraft we have. Learn from the mistakes of the F-4.

    • @wurfyy
      @wurfyy Před 2 lety +1

      @@republicofustio4381 I'm not so sure. Just because someone jumped the gun doesn't mean the gun never fired. And remember, with the F-4 it was an IFF problem. The people who thought it would only fight BVR didn't realize that there would be a lot of situations where the plane needs to visually IFF. These days even if visual IFF is needed, it can be done with the targeting pod at BVR ranges, and the F-35 essentially has a Sniper XR built in so it can do it even without even compromising its RCS.

  • @roughneck371
    @roughneck371 Před 2 lety +28

    Please do a BVR with these 2 fighters! I want to see if the table will turn

    • @Nanchon21
      @Nanchon21 Před 2 lety +6

      Theres almost no point, the f35 is a stealth aircraft designed for bvr. The viper would almost certainly lose

    • @pieface6421
      @pieface6421 Před 2 lety +15

      @@Nanchon21 you could say the same about this video, just in reverse. i think it would still be good to watch the f35 doing what its supposed to do

    • @user-wc3wu2mx3m
      @user-wc3wu2mx3m Před 2 lety +1

      @@pieface6421 agreed. We've only really seen Fat Amy dogfight, which is the one thing it's supposed to *avoid.* a BVR fight would finally do poor Amy some justice.

  • @spc83
    @spc83 Před 2 lety +46

    I know this has been said before but could you try this exact same fight but with other stores on the F-16? I wonder if having the extra drag of AIM-120's and pylons would neutralize the advantage since the F-35 can keep most of its weapons internal.

    • @Firebase99
      @Firebase99 Před 2 lety +3

      throw in a targeting pod, jammer and a centerline and start at 60 miles...Viper bits, everywhere.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Před 2 lety +2

      Even a slick Viper will not be dominant against F-35As with equal pilots. This has been proven since no later than 2017. The Dutch told about their experiences fighting F-16 aggressors for a week straight, and they humiliated them each day, while carrying bombs inside the bays. After they demonstrated superior exchange ratios in BFM, they would go off to the training areas to live drop GBUs on ground targets to get maximum training value. F-16s guys who weren’t sure prior to that had their doubts erased quickly.

    • @mayne242
      @mayne242 Před 2 lety +2

      If you're flying an f-16 and you are in a dogfight with an f-35, you're jettisoning the amraams lol

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mayne242 AIM-120s can't be jettisoned. They're on LAUs. Nothing from stations 1, 2, 5L, 5R, 8, or 9 can be jettisoned and station 5 normally has an ECM pod, which can't be jettisoned either. When you hit the E-JETT, it only punches off 3, 4, 6, 7, which is generally bombs and the 2x 370gal EFTs.
      F-16 in combat configuration is a bit of a pig, even post E-JETT. You start to see why F-35A is what it is because of the draggy and piggish nature of the combat-configured Viper.

  • @billbrowning3021
    @billbrowning3021 Před 2 lety +19

    Not to mention the F-16 already presses human endurance to the max. That’s the one wild card in these fights - pilot endurance - that you can’t simulate (yet 😀). Great content.

    • @Tbonyandsteak
      @Tbonyandsteak Před rokem

      Yeah, an millienial in a F35 against a veteran in F16. I would say that is a 0-10

    • @paulhopkins1905
      @paulhopkins1905 Před rokem +1

      @@Tbonyandsteak an millenial? You realize Millennials are in their 40s right?

    • @Tbonyandsteak
      @Tbonyandsteak Před rokem

      @@paulhopkins1905 Who raised the millenials?

    • @paulhopkins1905
      @paulhopkins1905 Před rokem +2

      @@Tbonyandsteak Whatever point you're trying to make is failing. By the way its Millennial

  • @aviationman5315
    @aviationman5315 Před rokem +2

    F35 with the ability to fire an aim-9x at a target behind it tho

  • @sixtensettergren3202
    @sixtensettergren3202 Před 2 lety +2

    “Ouch, well thats why they call her fat Amy”

  • @Vicarium
    @Vicarium Před 2 lety +16

    Given the same time to mature as any other aircraft, the F35 will become the premier 5th gen F/A platform in the world.

    • @skeksis1085
      @skeksis1085 Před 2 lety +2

      I'd argue it already is. Look at the competition (F22, J20) and you'll see that neither can match its production or overall degree of capability.

  • @rjwohlman
    @rjwohlman Před 2 lety +2

    Fat Amy? Why, as I'm laughing my ass off?!?

    • @Livinghighandwise
      @Livinghighandwise Před 2 lety +3

      There was article somewhere a few years back were an ex-F16, Airforce mechanic called it Fat Amy because of it's larger profile and because it has less thrust to weight ratio that the F16. From there a rumor spread that actual F35 pilots were all calling it that but it's not true. This guy likes to use it because it's funnier than "Panther" which is what Airforce pilots actually call it.

    • @rjwohlman
      @rjwohlman Před 2 lety

      @@Livinghighandwise Thank you! Still laughing!

  • @johannesdolch
    @johannesdolch Před rokem +2

    Of course an f-16 will be dead long before they ever get into a dogfight range.

  • @NavySturmGewehr
    @NavySturmGewehr Před 2 lety +1

    F35 procurement in Canada was the only fiasco worse than canceling the arrow.

  • @JozMkII
    @JozMkII Před 2 lety +4

    It bugs me whenever GS says “Fat Amy.” Doing a google search, I can’t find any conclusive data to back up pilots calling the F-35 this nickname. It sounds, though, like USAF pilots are calling it ‘Panther’, Marines calling it ‘Velociraptor’, and Navy calling it ‘Reaper’. Given the F-35’s capabilities, any one of those three names seem more plausible and fitting; I wonder if ‘Fat Amy’ originated from internet circles who have sought to mock the aircraft?

    • @gm-hk4ok
      @gm-hk4ok Před 2 lety

      I think they're referring to the dcs flight model lol

  • @Skyfighter64
    @Skyfighter64 Před 2 lety +30

    I think this fight might have been more interesting without the F-16 and F-35 in "clean" configurations (2 Aim-9, nothing else), and instead had full weapons (6xAim-120) loads going into the merge.
    Theoretically, this would drastically hinder the F-16, with significant aerodynamic loads more than the F-35, and might make this fight a little closer.
    Just food for thought.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Před 2 lety +4

      A real F-35A vs F-16C usually results in the F-35A being dominant. DCS just doesn’t model them accurately.

  • @grizllyman
    @grizllyman Před 2 lety +31

    I refuse to believe that F35 with those huge control surfaces can't turn fast.

    • @Hayzie3
      @Hayzie3 Před 2 lety +8

      It can, if you look up videos like F-35 vs F-16 you'll see comparison videos and it'll show the F-35 can keep up very well, especially since it's limited to 7g's in most cases

    • @michaelhaney9432
      @michaelhaney9432 Před 2 lety +8

      @@Hayzie3 f-35a is 9g limit with internal stores, also there were some dogfights vs f-16s and the f-35 won something like 16:1

    • @theread3480
      @theread3480 Před 2 lety +4

      @@michaelhaney9432 Yes in red flag exercises the F-35 had a 16-1 kill ratio in dog fights alone and a 178-0 kill ratio in BVR

    • @michaelhaney9432
      @michaelhaney9432 Před 2 lety +2

      @@theread3480 I really like it, I think DCS underrepresents the front aspect stealth of 4.5th gen fighters, what do you think?

    • @williamhumber5890
      @williamhumber5890 Před 2 lety +6

      DCS has no concept of how modern control systems work, it's all based on old school ideas of "I pull the stick back by x and the stabiliators rotate by y degrees". Modern control systems are extraordinarily complicated and use all available controls surfaces in ways that would be almost impossible to coordinate manually, but as a result you can get vastly better performance.

  • @Strangerer69
    @Strangerer69 Před rokem +1

    The F-35 is definitely not a plane you want to send in as an interceptor. You go wing side with a Mig to say hi, you might as well kiss your rear goodbye.

  • @SJstackinbodys
    @SJstackinbodys Před 2 lety +10

    Lasted almost 3 minutes figgting the f16's fight
    I wonder how long the F16 would last in a BVR fight with the lightning2?

    • @pizza-for-mountains
      @pizza-for-mountains Před 2 lety

      at most one minute from lock-on. lol

    • @SJstackinbodys
      @SJstackinbodys Před 2 lety +1

      @@pizza-for-mountains lol it depends in how long the missle takes to reach it🤣🤣

  • @ModeHistoire
    @ModeHistoire Před 2 lety +6

    I'd love to see F-35 vs Rafale

  • @Dv087
    @Dv087 Před 2 lety +4

    What I would like to see is a straight up fight. Starting as a bvr and transitioning to dogfight if the opponent survives that long.

  • @F0RR1
    @F0RR1 Před 2 lety +5

    Hey GS. Thank you for playing so much with the Viper. I'm a huge fan of the Viper. Please make more, but also. You should play an aircraft you like ofcourse. All bout' your enjoyment.
    Love you man. Keep it up!

  • @ExarchGaming
    @ExarchGaming Před rokem +1

    You just got a callsign from a thunderbirds pilot. You're now called "Blink" :P
    You should check out Max's reaction to your video

  • @andersanderson9121
    @andersanderson9121 Před 2 lety +2

    After the F-35 got crushed in the Dogfight I would love to see it in a BVR environment or a FOX 2 fight against the Viper. We should give Fat Amy a chance to put herself in a better light after this🤣

  • @dwwest8168
    @dwwest8168 Před rokem +1

    Best description I've heard of the F-35 is, "The the F-35 is not a fighter jet. It is a flying supercomputer that can fire missiles and drop bombs."

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 Před 2 lety +1

    Favorite quote : "Poor Fat Amy..."
    2nd favorite : [CRASH!] "I guess that's why they call her Fat Amy."

  • @sbfcapnj
    @sbfcapnj Před 2 lety +1

    "Fat Amy gon' learn today!" lmaoooo

  • @Stinger522
    @Stinger522 Před 2 lety +8

    The gunfight favors the Viper but the BVR fight favors the F-35.
    With AIM-9X Block Twos, the F-35 really doesn't need to turn in order to shoot.
    Another thing the F-35 can do that the Viper can't is make full use of the AIM-120D due to the longer range of its radar.

    • @PapaOscarNovember
      @PapaOscarNovember Před 2 lety +1

      I was thinking that gunfight between F-16 and F-35 is like hand-to-hand combat between an MMA fighter and a rifleman with out a rifle.

    • @Stinger522
      @Stinger522 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Ariccio123 It doesn't need to.

    • @rickwalker2
      @rickwalker2 Před 2 lety

      @@Ariccio123 I don’t know about the 9X, but the ASRAAM block 6 is currently being integrated so it can be carried internally.

  • @timrushing81
    @timrushing81 Před 2 lety +16

    Hey GS, I would love to see an F5 vs F16 fight. It's not a fair fight, but would love to see you take a shot at it.

    • @billnu
      @billnu Před 2 lety +1

      Is there an F-20?

    • @sagrzmnky
      @sagrzmnky Před 2 lety +1

      F-5? Oh you mean the Mig-28..😁

  • @joaorodrigues-dy9rm
    @joaorodrigues-dy9rm Před rokem +1

    I dont know why its called fat amy, its 13 tons, the f22 is nearly 20 tons.
    I guess its less agile because of the small wings.

  • @rickyminjarez44
    @rickyminjarez44 Před 9 měsíci

    It doesn't have to point its nose. He just has to look at you lol

  • @2kimports
    @2kimports Před 2 lety

    "we are just having fun with fat amy" hahahahah words to live by , words to live by

  • @balladish
    @balladish Před 2 lety

    “That’s why they call her fat Amy.” -crash

  • @SPIN_89
    @SPIN_89 Před 2 lety +1

    “Fat Amy gonna learn today” 🤣🤣

  • @amorosogombe9650
    @amorosogombe9650 Před 2 lety +2

    Please do a no hold barred fight with the F-35. Everything allowed.

  • @Dusther210
    @Dusther210 Před 2 lety +1

    I think everyone agrees, we want to see Shotgun in an F-35 vs you in an F-16 BVR

  • @rednaxel04
    @rednaxel04 Před 2 lety +2

    It would be interesting to see some rounds where opponent has an advantage. Like you accidentally spotted a stealth fighter behind or you are lower and slower.

  • @foxhound24
    @foxhound24 Před 2 lety

    How is that whenever I think of an Idea of what two planes would be like in a dogfight , you ALWAYS have a vid released mere hours before I search it , love these vids

  • @adbell3364
    @adbell3364 Před 2 lety +3

    You should be fair. Give the F-35 a chance in a BVR fight.

  • @dksl9899
    @dksl9899 Před 2 lety

    Every time "Fat Amy" gets shot down in a vid like this, I imagine the victorious F-16 landing and when the pilot removes her helmet it's revealed to be Beca (Anna Kendrick) with a big smirk on her face. 'Pitch' Perfect has a whole new meaning in dogfighting...

  • @insertoyouroemail
    @insertoyouroemail Před 2 lety

    Lockheed decided to accommodate for pilots wearing full hockey gear and racoon hats

  • @modernman8142
    @modernman8142 Před 2 lety +2

    Please make a video on demonstrating how a f-35 should fight. No hold backs.

  • @JimWillits
    @JimWillits Před 2 lety +9

    I don’t mean to complain, because I love your videos, and I think the dogfighting has a place. But with ALL of these panes I really want to see more realistic fights of them hunting each other, not merging.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Před 2 lety +9

      yes sir, if you don't see that kind of video its due to limitations of the SIM or the Mod itself. When those capabilities become available we will deff do those videos also.

  • @caleblarsen5490
    @caleblarsen5490 Před 2 lety

    The end of that last round, "Ay bro, watch yo jet."

  • @shadekerensky3691
    @shadekerensky3691 Před 2 lety +1

    Lol Still needing the WWI or II career with the F-104 bomber intercept/Mig-21 bomber escort.

  • @shauryasingh8447
    @shauryasingh8447 Před 2 lety +4

    F35 BVR ??

  • @fins-n-skins7524
    @fins-n-skins7524 Před 2 lety +3

    For one the software and lifted restrictions make the F35 a better fight in close. I do believe one thing missing is whether DCS has accounted for the sensors and that pilot missle wise dies not have to be pointing at the target. The helmet allows for off high shots.

  • @magnanimus9692
    @magnanimus9692 Před 2 lety +1

    The F-35 Lightning II: The BBW of military jets.

  • @samuelttvbtw
    @samuelttvbtw Před 2 lety +1

    Invisible pl….. ok, GS you predict my words
    Fat Amy is Garb…. Damn it GS
    I believe we want “you” in the F-35 reeee

  • @johnosbourn4312
    @johnosbourn4312 Před 2 lety +1

    Finland, Switzerland, and Poland have ordered Fat Amy, along with Singapore, GS.

  • @leeselset5751
    @leeselset5751 Před 2 lety

    "That thing IS dead, right?"
    Yes, but he's trying to take you with him.

  • @MrPokemonWT
    @MrPokemonWT Před 2 lety +8

    Another great video to enjoy;)

  • @PrivateCustard
    @PrivateCustard Před 2 lety

    When the F-35 first arrived in the UK, we didn't even see fit to grace it with a cute name, like 'Fat Amy'. The Typhoon is a Tiffie, the Tornado is the Tonka................The F-15 is 'Dave'..........or if you are talking about the carrier variant, 'The Wheelie Bin'.

  • @MaxwellAerialPhotography
    @MaxwellAerialPhotography Před 2 lety +4

    In the 35’s defence, in a straight up turning dogfight, there are few if any fighters than can beat the Viper. But as should be apparent, thats not what the F-35 is built to do, its meant to attack targets and kill enemy fighters before it ever gets to the merge.

  • @jeffhenjes1722
    @jeffhenjes1722 Před rokem

    Such a gentleman, didn't shoot up the cockpit

  • @Mauros-Lykos
    @Mauros-Lykos Před 2 lety +1

    You know you got the best YT channel out there don’t you!

  • @danielhooke6115
    @danielhooke6115 Před 2 lety +1

    F-16 + vectored thrust = **mind blown**

  • @maitreytelang2312
    @maitreytelang2312 Před 2 lety +2

    Please make a video on Sukhoi Su-30 MKI Vs Boeing F-15C.

  • @cloudforest4087
    @cloudforest4087 Před 2 lety +1

    fantastic explosion on the ground.

  • @johnmorris1637
    @johnmorris1637 Před 2 lety +1

    F35 must runaway to a invisible distance then fight from there.

  • @michaelpowell1506
    @michaelpowell1506 Před 2 lety +2

    The only F-35 variant with an internal gun is the F-35A. As mentioned, the F-35 is not designed as a dogfighter or air dominance fighter.

    • @saltyfloridaman7163
      @saltyfloridaman7163 Před 2 lety +4

      Yes, it actually is. It's a multirole fighter just like the F-16. Air superiority and dogfighting is baked into its core design. It enjoys a 16-1 win loss in dogfighting alone at Red Flag, and it is also in the defensive role, so aggressor pilots in the F-16, F-15, F-18, Typhoon, and other nato fighter aircraft have the initial advantage. Flight control software limited its maneuverability and maximum thrust during testing phases to prevent airframe stress. It has since been removed

    • @michaelpowell1506
      @michaelpowell1506 Před 2 lety

      @@saltyfloridaman7163 It's not a “dogfighter.” It wins because it uses its stealth and advanced sensor suite to make sure the other planes don't get to the merge. Its mission is SEAD and DEAD.

    • @ItsATrap614
      @ItsATrap614 Před 2 lety

      @@michaelpowell1506 it can most certainly dogfight. They've been dominating in BFM since 2017.

    • @robertwolfe2971
      @robertwolfe2971 Před rokem

      I would like to see a block 4 f35 take on the viper.

  • @jeremyjackson8196
    @jeremyjackson8196 Před 2 lety +1

    Wouldn't they be working together?

  • @travisdurgeloh9621
    @travisdurgeloh9621 Před 2 lety

    “That’s why they call it Fat Amy…” 😂

  • @ratboy_
    @ratboy_ Před 2 lety +1

    11:35 should've engaged VTOL ;)

  • @deanschneider8775
    @deanschneider8775 Před rokem

    Canuck here. I was in FB group Gripens for Canada. But here we are. So I watch how the UK Meteor missile integration is going (2030 sound fair?). Replacement engine, likely same, to make all that Block 4/ TR3 work. I'm actually kind of glad there is no reasonable chance of on-time delivery with central fuselage production chokepoint. I love the 2030 F-35A. But that is not what we ordered...

  • @the_gamewarden1607
    @the_gamewarden1607 Před 2 lety +8

    Unofficial day 83 of asking gs to fight against the f22 in a warbird

  • @Ilamarea
    @Ilamarea Před 2 lety +2

    Now do the same thing but BVR.

  • @schweizerluchs7146
    @schweizerluchs7146 Před 2 lety +2

    Ok...And now load both with a realistic loadout and fight against each other...

  • @TheMadVulpen
    @TheMadVulpen Před 2 lety +2

    MiG-19 Vs F-14?

  • @kibz2005
    @kibz2005 Před rokem +1

    “Fat Amy gone learn today!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Aliabdulhussein69
    @Aliabdulhussein69 Před 2 lety

    @7:38 Lmao bro leave the trigger and check ur six 😂😂😂🤣

  • @RonakDhakan
    @RonakDhakan Před 2 lety +1

    I thought the F-35 did not have a gun.
    Also, let us start naming every fighter. 'Fat Aimee' is funny.

  • @briarrandolph307
    @briarrandolph307 Před 2 lety +2

    cmon GS, lightning vs thunder pleaseeee

  • @tone1132
    @tone1132 Před rokem +1

    was this flown without the flight limitations?

  • @yaseen157
    @yaseen157 Před 2 lety +9

    Is the F-35 capable of harrier style shenanigans with rotating nozzles in DCS?

    • @BullGator-kd6ge
      @BullGator-kd6ge Před 2 lety +3

      Only the B model is capable of that.

    • @MMuraseofSandvich
      @MMuraseofSandvich Před 2 lety +11

      @@BullGator-kd6ge I don't know if you'd even want to do that with the F-35B, you're doing hundreds of knots and all of a sudden you open the doors for the lift fan? That's like raising the mast on a sub while it's doing 20 knots, it'll rip the things off.

    • @Noisy_Cricket
      @Noisy_Cricket Před 2 lety +4

      Probably not. The F35B STOVL system works differently than the Harrier's. I bet they've tried it though. And I bet it burned the tail flaps.

    • @kishaloyb.7937
      @kishaloyb.7937 Před 2 lety

      @@BullGator-kd6ge Even the B model wouldn't be able to pull off Harrier shenanigans. It'll rip apart if it tried that.

    • @cockatoo010
      @cockatoo010 Před 2 lety

      I'd guess not. the VTOL mechanism in the F35B works completely differently than on the harrier
      Check out the Real Engineering vid aobut it