Why Broly Wasn't Included in 'Strongest in Universe' Wish Revealed
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- čas přidán 15. 03. 2024
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Gohan Beast Vs Super Saiyan Broly showed us that Broly's raw power with just Super Saiyan gets him up to current Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta Levels if not beyond.
So why was Broly not the strongest in the universe when Granolah and Gas made the wish to become strongest in the universe? - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Who is eating better?
Brolysexuals or Gohan groupies
your thoughts?
Definitely Gohan groupies
I would say both but more Gohan groupies because he is fighting everyone.
Frieza Freaks
Probably the Brolysexuals. After all, DB fans mostly get off on power levels. The multiplier on Beast is a huge unknown at the moment, but we know it's got to be *massive.* ....We already know the multiplier on SSJ, and we know it's *very* low compared to everything else currently being used. Broly is basically in the Frieza Saga while everyone else is up to date, but he *still* seems to be more than Gohan can handle.
Both of them are in an interesting situation right now. Broly was said to be the strongest and Gohan is also said to be the strongest... 🤔🤔🤔
Is this the beginning of a new rivalry between both of these characters ??? A new fusion being born of both of them would be over the top insane !
The future of Dragon ball super is undergoing interesting developments right now ❤️💯💯💯💯💯
Gohan and Broly would make a compatable duo team.
Crazy how Broly and Gohan r both superior to Goku and Vegeta with just power alone. The latter needs UI and UE to keep up
So far this is fan speculaton and not oficial statement themselves. It's crazy how people are sick of Goku and Vegeta being on top of the saiyans to the point anyone with power boost = stronger than Goku and Vegeta
@@Yokai_Yurifacts, Goku never said he was surpassed nor did Beerus or Whis, nor did Vegeta say this. There was no winner or lose in the fight vs Gohan & Goku even said he was trying to win meaning he didn’t go all out.
@@wildin8156 Neither of them were trying to win. It was stated from the beginning it was a test of strength by Vegeta with no winner or loser. Doesn't necessarily change the fact that Gohan definitely showed more raw strength.
@@broom673 Vegeta never said it was a test of strength stop adding your own lines to the manga. It’s literally stated by Goku that he wasn’t trying to win against Gohan & that now he knows the earth is in good hands. You people always add your own to the manga, cite the words correctly. Vegeta was the one that asked Goku if he was sure about this, because there wasn’t a winner or loser. Gohan used his maximum power to draw out that strength as stated *BY GOHAN* . You people once again forgot Gokus CUi can strengthen his body as needed, like it did when Moro tried piercing through him and broke his arm.
Also if Gohan wasn’t trying to win, he wouldn’t have drew out his max power that would’ve made him go beserk. Gohan landed 2 good hits and took Goku out of CUi but Goku jumped right back into it. Once again, he stated himself he drew out the maximum power and controlled it so that he wouldn’t go beserk which allowed him as stated *BY VEGETA* to exceed Gokus Ui speed.
Broly maybe but not definitely not Gohan
In terms of raw, untapped power in Universe 7, that status goes to Gohan & Broly. In terms to the best, all around fighters, regarding stamina, combat & tactical exp, that would go to Goku & Vegeta.
People don't have to like characters surpassing their favorite character but at least don't deny it, and besides they are all on the same team anyways...
This is the biggest issue with the Dragon Ball fandom they're biased with one character and when that character gets surpassed they completely deny it
@@Mandalore_ultimate true
I agree , it’s not like Gohan and Broly are bad characters , they’re awesome , but , yes , maybe the writing has to be better to justify their gigantic power ups , but it is super interesting to have more good characters on the same level or stronger than Goku and Vegeta’s divine techniques
Lucky for me broky lowkey is ny favorite so I'm glad he has some growth
@@cinnamonpancakes54 Broly's power is justified though. He is literally the fabled Legendary Super Saiyan. That's his entire character. The only issue is he can't control his power.
This was honestly a great chapter to end on before break
I tried to tell everyone, but they all just laughed and refused to listen ssb Gogeta was TENS OF THOUSANDS TIMES STRONGER THAN SSB GOKU AND VEGETA lol
Lol remember when people thought mui could beat a blue level fusion.😂
mui does beat gogeta and vegito, easily
I remember it's as if people forgot that fusion has the best power multiplier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Mandalore_ultimateand your duuumb because fusion can’t use MUI 💀 did you forgot gogeta and vagito are totally different beings . they’re not vageta or goku . goku’s MUI isn’t a technique that passes on through blood or through fusion . only goku somehow managed to earn it . 😂bruh MUI isn’t power . it’s a technique with transformation which is only used by goku
@@Natsu_Tempest22 did you even watch the video?
@@jamaulwinston1540he didn’t watch the video bro….
Broly was surpassed by Goku and Vegeta before they fought moro, as stated by Goku to Meerus. By the time of the current chapter, It has been shown that Broly has been training with Goku and Vegeta for a while. It makes a lot of sense why he seems to be stronger. Having incredible potential with the proper training means that Broly can close that gap, that Goku and Vegeta were at prior to the cell max arc.
This was never stated by Meerus he doesn’t even know who Broly is 😂
Stated by Goku to Moro* and thank you for having bare minimum levels of logic unlike apparently 95% of this video’s comment section
@@fidelsyrianoudisMy man, I never said he did. You should read my comment again, so you can see what I was actually talking about.
@@mvp746 Oh, well, I was refering to the time Goku and Vegeta were in space with Meerus, But that part of the story is true though. Goku did say to Moro that he was the toughest he has faced at that point in time.
@@TheArtGuyChannel yes you did lmfao you changed it that’s y it says edited 😂😂😂😂
I love seeing these fanboys get triggered whenever someone surpasses their favorite character lol
DBS is made strictly for people like you lmao
@@mvp746Care to elaborate? 😂
@@Mandalore_ultimate For the people that don’t get “triggered” by asspulls and try to act like even the implication of Gohan surpassing Goku at this point is anything but total shit of a story.
Literally anyone who brings up Gohan surpassing Goku in Z are whats wrong with the db powerscale community.
@@mvp746Dragon Ball is all based on what the plot dictates clown. You can't apply logic to Dragon Ball. 💀💀💀
@@Mandalore_ultimate by your logic we shouldn’t apply any kind of logic to anything fictional and nothing makes sense at all because its not real everything is plot-dictated,i don’t think you exactly realize the stupidity coming out of you lmfao the writers themselves want you to use logic thats why you see statements like this guy is stronger than this guy and you’re stronger than he is.
Saying it doesn't matter is an understatement. I'm not a Goku fan but we all have evidence of Goku not going full power against certain people and Vegeta said himself neither Goku nor Gohan won that sparring match but it still showed Goku was still testing Gohan's power and ended the fight simply to see where Broly compared to Gohan. Infuriating to say that's Goku's character but he does that foolish crap
Ive been saying for everyone to wake up that Broly is a freak and that he is the Hulk of the group. His SS form controlled Equalled Beast Gohan the first time he changed into it. Broly is the truth !!!
A broly gohan fushion would have beerus nervous
The fact that Broly's SSJ form matched Gohan beast means that Broly's potential is much greater than that of Gohan's. And just the fact that Broly was unable to defeat Gogeta blue, even with his LSSJ green hair transformation, means that Gogeta is much more powerful than UI Goku and Gohan beast.
Dude , I was saying this for yesrs . BROLY >>>> Black Frieza >> Beast Gohan >> M.U.I. Goku = U.E Vegeta = / > Orange Piccolo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Full Powered AWEAKEN Jiren
Broly does not have the green haired form in the manga
@@Underworldwarrior1 ... Who said that Broly doesn't have the Legendary SuperSaiyan form in the Manga ? When was this ?
@@PaulWalker-uo2nh Chapter 93
His hair was yellow when Gogeta was about to finish him off
@Underworldwarrior1 ... that doesn't mean that Broly doesn't have the Legendary Super Saiyan form . Broly is made cannon because of his Legendary SuperSaiyan form on the Anime & Manga
Keep in mind if broly controls his wrathful form (shown by yellow eyes with pupils and being much larger) and uses it with ssj thats 500x so wrathful ssj is stronger than ssj3. Not to mention his full power ssj which is a big unknown. Also Broly was learning combat and ki skills as he fought and should be able to do that regularly so training with him probably clicks fast besides training for ssj due to his big anger issues.
So the full chapter just leaked out in Gohan didn't actually win. It took him going briefly to maximum power to land a really solid hit on Goku and then Goku went right back to fighting. He only called off the fight because Broly expressed interest in matching against Gohan. Vegeta even States that there was no actual winner or loser. Goku didn't even go full power and Ultra instinct it was certainly more of a draw
it was more then one hit and whether you like it or not he scales to goku
@@anubisDatBoy I never said he didn't scale to Goku. I was just stating that it wasn't some one-sided beat down like people were painting it out to be from those vague leaks that came out
Broly's peak power during his movie was surpassed by the likes of 7-3 Moro & MUI Goku, and by the time of the Granola arc Blue Evolved Vegeta. Wiss even stated he didn't know anyone stronger than Goku & Vegeta despite him seeing Full Power ssj Broly first hand.
The showcased powers do make sense since Gogeta blue takes both Gohan and Broly for a walk. Whats interesting is Black Frieza tho, he said he trained so that they wouldnt be able to stop him and I think that includes fusion since he saw them use it.
Yes, Frieza does know that they can fuse, but he doesn't know how strong fusion is. He just knows that it's stronger than just adding their powers.
@@trentbell8276Frieza knows how strong the fusion is since he saw Gogeta fight Broly. Also Frieza ia extremely wise nowadahs when it regards fights, techniques and power increases
@@Yokai_Yuri gogeta was playing with broly...so frieza will not get the exact power of gogeta....
But frieza knows both goku and vegeta can get rapidly faster with whis training....so frieza did 10years....
Now goku and vegeta could have closed the gap....definitely this time they will not be one shot by freiza
@@Yokai_Yuri He can't sense divine ki, which Gogeta was using, so that throws a dampener on what Feieza could learn. What he could pick up is that Gogeta was at least as strong as Broly, so he had a minimum to go off of, but he doesn't know Gogeta's actual strength.
@@trentbell8276 Freeza can sense Broly ki since he does not have God ki so he has a good idea of how powerful Gogeta is based on how well Broly fought him.
This is Broly has full control of his power meaning he has a mind meaning he is a lot stronger than he was in his movie, and probably Gogeta too. @RevoluShane if you were to understand the character of Cell Max if he had a mind he would've ended Dragonball entirely because mind and spirit play an important role in power output. Judging by how he fought Beast Gohan, I've definitely said he can probably beat characters like Gas and granola.
And I was just thinking.. The fact that Gohan has better control over his Beast form than Broly has over his controlled SSJ form was intentional… They wanted to convey the message to us that Gohan is better trained and more experienced and controlled than Broly is… (As we already knew ofcourse)
So this just goes to prove even further than Broly has more POTENTIAL and hidden raw power than Gohan has… And once he gets even deeper into his controlled Super Saiyan.. He will be unstoppable.
alot of people lack chomprehension, anyways amazing video bro
Broly was included in the wish, He went Super Saiyan before so it’s part of his capabilities and Toronbo easily took that into account.
you should make an updated video since the chapter is out
Simple the story will always be changed or adapted for the good of the plot, something like Beerus' power that always increases.
I have my issues with Beast Gohan but I’m glad he’s getting back in the ring and Broly content 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Your videos are one of the best I ever seen
I NEVER get notified anymore now whenever Revolushane hearts my comments.
I literally have to find that out myself by going back again to look at my older comments.
This must be a YT problem.
The reason is because the writers don’t think about every aspect like the fans do .
I think that we'd have to see how Beast Gohan fares against SSB Gogeta .. 'til then, Broly definitely held his own for a bit, there.. no denying that
It wouldn’t end well. Gogeta blue wins that fight very easily.
current gohan would lose if ssj broly = beast gohan (which is stupid). If it was legendary ssj broly = beast gohan....then gohan will give gogeta a very good fight. At best the power scale will be similar to dbz movie 12 gogeta and ultimate gohan.
Then, it is. Broly is the strongest.
@@manny57lol see why people think Gohan fans are delusional
Gohan didn't even use his berserker trigger to boost his power. He was holding back
Finally someone who talks about ikari form
I agree, when the wish was made, it would have included the strongest in the universe at that time only rather than every fighter and transformation in history.
broly is a straight up BEAST!
Were all the same team, there's no need argue or be toxic to each other.
Also, Ikari and SSJ “full power” don’t exist in the manga…
There is just the yellow haired huge berserker SSJ form like Kale had, and then the controlled version of that is just yellow SSJ1 with pupils.
All 3 forms of Broly in the manga have a green aura.
Base
Controlled SSJ
Berserker SSJ
He also has the humanoid great ape transformation
@@shadowslayer9988Wrong! I don’t know what manga you have been reading.. But it doesn’t exist in Toyotaro’s Super Manga.
There is NO great ape-humanoid / Ikari form of Broly in the Manga..
I literally stated that in my OP..
Why even say this?
I already stated factfully, that there is only:
*Base* Broly
*SSJ Berserk* Broly
(With yellow hair)
*SSJ Controlled* Broly
That’s it.
Do yo watch Invicible? Because I feel like I'm hearing that song from the end of Season 1. I hate to say I told you so...
All it takes is for broly to get angry and scare everyone like he almost did before goku calmed him down
Janemba8000 malding was a sight to behold
who’s Janemba8000
@@dimensionvisitor7689 another db CZcamsr
@@FMBeelz ok
I like your argument of course. You’re definitely spitting some fire.
I thought whis said goku was the strongest after moro arc?
I can accept gohan being stronger and current broly after training being stronger for sure doe
Whis stated in previous ch that Broly hasn't grown in strength now he's strong as goku
@@God_Enjoyerso bad writing then?
This issue proves the Gohan and Broly deniers will never give up lmao. People rlly just saying Goku held back and is still the strongest and getting hit out of MUI is nothing ☠️☠️☠️
💯
Vegeta is the prince he’s never wrong
SH Base Broly in the T.O.P, How far woul d he get
Bro why people saying he got knocked out of his transformation??? He definitely didn't. Have you ever seen someone get knocked out in real life?? They just don't get back up smiling and ish lol they are OUT.... Goku simply lost his concentration that allows him to obtain UI. Because he started thinking. Come on bro stop giving false info
They cop so hard knocking someone out is literally what frieza did to goku and vegeta. You didnt see goku standing up and smiling there did you. Shane is burning the kitchen he aint cooking
Lets not forget that was non Ikari Broly vs super Vegeta and ultimate Gohan.
Broly over Everybody .... I see you RevoluShane calling me out on your T.O.P. , ha ha ha 😂
i think broly will become universe 7 god of destruction based on the beerus hint in the latest chapter on gohan beast being potential for it
6:18 i don't think that's it, wat i think is that the wish might not have included him since when he went ssj he basically passed out and went into hibernate mode so in a way it wasn't considered to be actually him but another entity that appeared then disappeared from the universe
Man, we're really going backward on a lot of stuff these days. How am I supposed to trust anything anymore when something established is just walked back on later?
Base Broly even managed to block a full power punch by *Beast* Gohan!😯😲😦😮
And just his SSJ alone was enough but I wonder what its multiplier is.. 50??? Or much higher?
Also, Base Broly = Ultimate Gohan > SSJ1 Vegeta (Who has yardrat power, hakai power, and now even meditation / Jiren type powers in Base!)
Gohan has 4 transformations:
Beast > Ultimate > SSJ2 > SSJ1
Goku & Vegeta have even more!
Broly had NONE until today!
And that was just controlled SSJ…
(Although it may have a higher multiplier than 50x Base.)
We don’t know.
Or maybe this Broly now stronger than Goku and Vegeta because he's been training? I still believe that Granolah Arc Goku and Vegeta are superior to Broly.
He isn't stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Gohan literally threw him in the air and blocked all his attacks.
@@ACertainManTbf Broly is the least experienced in fighting
Broly was included. He was just inactive during the Moro arc and the Granolah arc. The thing is that Granolah and Gas just barely had the potential to surpass Broly. I say barely because they were near the end of their lifespans when they became the strongest. They were physically in their late 100s. Saiyans can’t keep their youth longer than 80, and they seem to physically decline dramatically when they’re really old. Old Paragus couldn’t fly when Cheelai and Lemo discovered him and he couldn’t evade or block a blast while he was on earth. Once Broly and the others reach the end of their prime, they won’t be able to use too much of their power, but they could still be the strongest in the universe depending on how the hybrids hold out.
Exactly with less transformations with more stacked power well Brolly is the legendary Super Saiyan of his race and I believe Kale will be the female version of that also. Goku will always still find away to be the strongest ever.I believe Gohan won't be the strongest Piccolo told Goku he isn't like him being full Saiyans are always battle thirsty and Gohan is not battle thirsty like a full blooded Saiyan is so i don't think he is going to reach his maximum Potential maybe because of that factor.
If Broly had been in the Moro and Granola saga they would have won easily
Broly would’ve been a walking food source for Moro..
@@retroking2749He would completely destroy Granolah and Gas though
@@retroking2749 yep, that dude didnt read 😭
@@retroking2749lmao Moro would’ve likely even surpassed Beerus this guy has no idea what he’s talking about
@@retroking2749maybe not just like with MUI it might have been too much for Moro to handle
broly being stronger is a given because of the elements of second coming being used like goten trunks and gohan fighting broly was a good choice to bring in to the canon though broly has adaptive ability
wait i have a question:
if goku and vegeta fused wich potaras to make vegito...
would vegito in ssjb be stronger than their ultra forms?
sinse like in dbz vegito was stronger than goku and vegeta full power combined
If gogeta put on the patora earrings before his fusion ended then would he become an amalgation of both gogeta and vegito?
I’m gonna be honest, a better match up would be base fusion or ssj1 fusion vs ultra forms, ssjb might actually just blink the ultra forms away
Now full spoilers out
Please don’t ignore us, we wanna hear your take on this one
In my other comment I did Goku let Broly fight Gohan not because he thought Broly was stronger, he did it to unlock Broly’s potential and it turns out I was right, I’m looking forward to your next video.
Tbf, the new canon Broly is also neefed compared to DBZ Broly in quite a number of ways.
1. He's no longer THE Legendary Super Saiyan, though he might as well be.
2. Until his proper introduction into the Super canon... He's only ever fought beasts or his weakass dad who's pushing 80 on a hellscape world with barely enough of anything alive for the better part of FOUR DECADES before Cheelai and Limo found them.
3. His training was JUST the basics, and that's it. Again, for FOUR DECADES trapped on a hellscape world full of things that want to eat him.
4. Four decades of abuse and beaunwashing by a father twisted by his stewing rage that had no outlet.
5. His ONLY FIRST TWO REAL FIGHTS WERE AGAINST GOKU AND VEGETA POST ToP! How was THAT fair!?
And against all odds? He held his own to outright overpowered them both in the span of literally a full day.
Oh, and he spent more than half that fight being beaten half to death himself.
Literally, the ONLY reason Broly lost in the movie was bc of how cheap and broken Gogeta was. You cannot convince me otherwise since we all saw it happen in real time. Broly was just that powerful in terms of raw power and output.
He DOES have the following perks that no normal Saiyan can hope to catch up with though.
1. His EXTREMELY efficient fighting style by way of his 'relaxed state' that can allow him to go from zero to full power and back as needed with next to no loss of energy between 'shifting gears'.
2. His Saiyan derived adaptability is... well, so high that I don't think you can properly calculate i since his rate of growth, at least based on the movie/manga outpaced literally every character in the franchise to date bar none. Even Gohan and Trunks, who by virtue of being half saiyans and theoretically having a higher potential than any pure Saiyan, never showed the raw growth potential Broly showed in one long boss rush than they had with literal decades more experience, training, buffs, and whatever they had while Broly was stuck on Vampa....
So yes, Broly 9bjectively EARNS his status as the single most powerful Saiyan in U7 in terms of raw power and growth potential.
You cannot reasonably argue against that without looking INCREDIBLY biased.
RevoluShane , I've been supporting you for years & STILL DO PERIOD , You're #1 in my book regardless ..... I know you made the comment about your version of the T.O.P. , I said back then Broly would win and I'll tell you my reasons why .... in this video , you see Gohan Beast Sparring against Broly Basic SuperSaiyan1 . Gohan Beast and Broly are probably about the same Power Level or Broly might be a little stronger , but Gohan Beast is a better Fighter . The keyword that I mentioned IS : Basic SuperSaiyan1 Broly , not Legendary SuperSaiyan Broly yet , so if Broly at Basic SuperSaiyan1 is a little bit > / = to Gohan Beast , my opinion there's nothing & I mean nothing that Gohan Beast could do vs the Legendary SuperSaiyan Broly DBS cause of Broly's Power Gap would allow Broly to TOY with Gohan Beast .
- You & I mentioned that Broly was Probably stronger than Beerus in many of your videos and comments , and you had videos stating that Black Frieza is STILL not near Beerus Power Level , so to me that says it all : Strongest in Order : #1) Broly Legendary Super Saiyan (DBS)
2) Black Frieza
3) Gohan Beast
4) 3way tie ( Goku , Vegeta , Piccolo )
5) or Last = Jiren ....
- If they did a BATTLE RUMBLE or 1 vs 1 bracket of the T.O.P #2
& Everyone at the Full Power & their Fighting Skills & Adaptability , Legendary Super Saiyan Broly would still win . Not Beast Gohan who's equal to Broly in Basic SuperSaiyan1 but Gohan Beast or Black Frieza aren't close to Broly at Legendary SuperSaiyan state controlled or out of controlled . Broly power is STILL just too much for both Gohan Beast and Black Frieza since Broly is PROBABLY Stronger than Beerus . Just Saiyan , I mean saying .
- But what do you say against my points / reason on Broly the Legendary SuperSaiyan & not Basic Super Saiyan1 Broly vs Beast Gohan ?
One thing you are wrong about even brolly at this point of time is nowhere near as strong as beerus but he will eventually surpass him especially after training with Gohan for a long time
I will instantly ACCEPT the idea that Broly from the old Broly Arc is still stronger than all the later Saiyans IF Toyotaro came out today and *said so…*
CONFIRMED it..
So far he hasn’t, and likely never will.
Okay Revolushane????!
I am perfectly willing to change my mind on this one and come to your side if you could get Toyotaro to confirm it or not…!👍
But *until* that time, I can’t.
The full chapter leaked Gohan knocked Goku out of UI but Goku goes back into it and they both fight and match each other Goku blocks Gohan's attack and pushes him back . He sees Broly is hyped to fight so Goku stops the fight. Gohan is not physically stronger they are around the same level and even if Gohan was its very small so idk why this guy is saying far stronger thats false.
Broly also is at a disadvantage against Gohan and Beerus says Gohan is better at using his power. This current SS Broly is much stronger than how he was during the DBS Broly movie that is 100 percent obvious.
I think Gohan is more powerful than UI Goku, even the force of his attacks were pushing him back. I think Goku has better agility and more experience than Gohan but gohan's raw power is greater when he accesses that rage ability.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 Doesn't seem like it since Goku and Gohan was matched right before he stopped the fight. Also even if Gohan was stronger it's not a difference it's small not enough for him to just dominate Goku that's not happening. They can fight each other
@@GodslayerSeiya I don't think Gohan was using the rage boost ability when they continued sparring though, because when he used it initially his Ki was violent and they put emphasis on it. I agree they are relative but I think Beast in terms of power has the edge on Goku, he managed to tag Goku despite UI's evasion but this is only when Gohan uses Beasts rage power beforehand Gohan couldn't lay a hand on Goku.
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 From looking at the chapter just now I see the same appearance when he was raged and getting the boost. They were going toe to toe by the end so if Gohan is a 10 Goku is a 9.9 at best.
@@GodslayerSeiya His appearance doesn't change when he used the ability, it's his demeanor and the fact that he screams when he attacks, Also when Gohan was attacking him with the rage ability Goku could barely dodge and when he blocked gohan's attack was so strong the force went through Goku's body and the kick sent him flying, so personally I don't think he was using the rage ability.
but I notice Granola have 3 years left Gas have no time left that why they not reach higher level power
All these transformations and power yet Beerus was not worried ONCE Beerus is still above them all 😂😂😂😂
Gohan has better raw power, doesn't mean he is on a different league than Goku and Vegeta.
Gohan as he is right now could be compared to Gas in terms of positioning against Goku, he was always one small step ahead untill Goku or Vegeta caught up and traded blows with him.
Gohan has better raw power and more experience than Broly, but still lacks experience to compare to Goku and Vegeta, so this balances out the outcome between these 3. Broly should still have the highest raw power of these 4 and the least experience.
They messed up in this manga chapter though. Vegeta was using SSB/SSBE against Gohan, UE uses dark tint on hair and no eyebrows, his hair was bright as SSB in the manga panel. In the end of the manga chapter they are all in the ground, seemingly tired of fighting each other... I don't know the reason behind this, unless Vegeta suddently does not know how to use that form or simply just doesn't want to... Wouldn't make much sense to have SSBE trade blows with Beast Gohan and MUI Goku honestly.
As it stands, they all seem to be on equal terms by the end, even the 2 teens, which is redicolous... Goten and Trunks should have huge potential, but they were in base going against Broly. When they were previously going against Gohan and struggling. This is all over the place, i'm just going to assume toyotaro just had no mind to draw this stuff and make any sense of it because of current events impacting his work and life. It is understandable, i just hope they make corrections eventually. Next chapter should be a redraw of this chapter and going more in depth, i wouldn't mind a redraw, one punch man has done this aswell a few times and i honestly don't mind it, as it usually means the outcome ends up being better.
In the end, i would still give the upper hand to Goku against Gohan, Gohan was tiring himself out to land that hit. Goku's UI gets sharper as time goes on, despite also having a short lifespan, i would still give MUI the upperhand in a fight. Raw power is not everything. Jiren had raw power and experience and see where that went.
UE seems like the perfect counter card to MUI because it focuses in hand to hand combat, MUI seems like the counter card to Beast in its current state, Beast is the counter card to UE.
UE does not dodge, he takes in damage, MUI is not the strongest but has speed to it, Beast is the strongest but lacks the experience to fully utilize its potential. Since UE does not dodge and has to take in damage, he would be a bad matchup against opponents with high raw power, which means Broly and Gohan. We still don't know the difference between all these characters, for all we know UE could be stronger than UI Goku in raw power but still slightly weaker than Beast, this would allow UE to catch up after a few hits. But Broly would probably not be manageable.
Also SSJ Broly under control should mean that his power is not increasing in battle like it used to. A power under control, means it can be rampaging like in the past, otherwise Broly would go berserk again. Same stuff applies to Gohan. He reaches a peak point with Beast and assumes control, not allowing it to go fully berserk. This also means both power reserves for Broly and Gohan under these transformations is far from being complete, which is scary. Let's say UI and UE are like 75% done in terms of relevancy and growth. Beast and SSJ in this case are still early in adaptation. So i expect Beast to have another variant down the road, if i had to place my bets, it will be something related with primal instinct. Beast is tied in with rage and the beast within, which is the oozaru. Broly and Gohan have connections with their inner beast, i wouldn't even be surprised if they made a ssj4 type of transformation down the road as the true primal instinct for both of these characters. Primal instinct being the complete rage boost under control but as the fight goes on and on, some other side effects might pop up like them loosing their mind slowly and loosing awareness of what is going on in general. Vegeta has shown bloodlust with UE, which is very similar to what a rage boost would do, key difference is that uncontrolled rage, keeps increasing power and eventually kills the user, while UE allows for small progression overtime by taking damage in battle.
One last also, there is no way Piccolo matches these characters right now. MUI and beast seem more or less equivalent to each other right now. Piccolo was loosing to Cell max before he powered up, which heavily implies what i stated many times before. Piccolo is at the bottom of the food chain right now. Orange Piccolo is a power that catches up to UI, UE and Beast, but it is far too weak right now. Let's say these characters are comparable to mid tier hakaishins, the mid tier has a large gap between the weakest god and the strongest god within the mid tier. We could say that Gohan is at the top, Piccolo is at the bottom. Goku and Vegeta are most likely a small step behind Gohan because lesser raw power than Gohan, which is what usually defines "power scaling" alone. Piccolo's strongest suit right now might be tanking, he can become the target and take aggro, he also has regeneration to some extent, which allows him to survive longer in battle and take even more damage than others. Despite being the weakest, he still has his use. He just needs to catch up in raw power.
Lets not forget frieza survived broly for a hr
You definitely need to pop up on a @Geekdom101 Livestream or Do a collaboration about this 💯
But yes your right on Broly. He is the one the oracle fish was talking about. It's not Gohan because he's obviously not obtaining a super Saiyan God transformation. It's not Goku or Vegeta Vegeta because one is on the path of destruction and the other an angel. But Broly is on the path of controlling all his super Saiyan transformation which is stronger than any other super Saiyan transformation
broly and gohan fusion please
Maybe her uses planet is not technically in the universe proper
I definitely believe the wish did count Broly and at the time Goku and Vegeta were stronger than Broly especially when they were discussing who's the guy that's supposed to be stronger than them Broly didn't pop up which again hints to them surpassing the Broly from the movie.
I think present Broly is now stronger, as he was compared to Cell Max and since he has been training with Goku and Vegeta it's safe to say he quickly got stronger. Afterall Gohan who has similar high potential has been able to reach blue levels of power in a couple of hours before the T.O.P started, so who knows how long Broly has been training here and how fast he grown.
Afterall even when the wish was granted he was still probably 3rd strongest behind Goku and Vegeta in the beginning of Granolah arc (not counting Frieza because he's secretly in the time chamber)
The wish only considered base Broly
@@knightgamer8440Nah it included his FP too, cry about it🙂
Well it’s obvious Gohan is much more powerful and way more durable than Goku in MUI right now, doesn’t mean Gohan would win since Goku can use UI and also Goku didn’t 100% go all out but even if he did he woebegone as fast or a strong as beat Gohan. Of course Goku has more battle experience since Gohan did slack for a huge amount of time. All the Saiyen will keep getting stronger but the 3 fighters with the most potential of course Gohan and Brolly then Black Frieza but when it comes to battle experience Goku and Vegeta are way a head
I like the way DBS is running now. I've long felt that the god/ki form is slowly becoming redundant and pointless as DBS releases new arcs. And personally I don't like the idea of god form/ki... Before they have shown that mortal raw power can overcome divine form/ki, so what's the point of Goku and Vegeta being so obsessed with learning such ways to become stronger ??.. characters like Frieza, Jiren, Gohan, Broly, Hit, Future Trunks, Granolah, Gas, Piccolo, have shown them that with raw mortal power can be stronger than god form/ki..
Maybe they want to create their own dragonballs.
Shenrons powers are limited by the powers of their creator and imagine what wishes dende with beerus it's powerlevel could grant.
Goku being so battle obsessed would be creating new races just to fight against them
Based on Beerus's reaction to Gohan as a possible candidate for the next God of Destruction, it can be inferred that the gap between Gohan and Broly, at least at the moment, is not that far off from Beerus in therms of battle power
I like true ssj.
Because Goku asked Whis if he knew anyone stronger than them and he said no. Broly wasn't excluded. Hes not the strongest.
Watch the video
What if Broly and Gohan Fused BroHan 😅
Broly has been training since the movie not including the zenkai he got he is much stronger.
The Goku fanboys are mad that Gohan knocked Goku out of white hair Ultra Instinct and managed to scratch the side of Goku's face with just his ki that enveloped Gohan's fist. Vegeta even says Goku's Ultra Instinct moving his body on instinct was the main thing giving him the advantage against Gohan, not his power. Never once did Gohan get knocked out of Beast.
Goku was not knocked out of ui, goku wanted to know what Gohan was doing ...after Gohan explain about controlling ki,...goku went ui again...
@@navinilan6993 he powered down just to talk 😂 Gohan fans make up anything, that's why they had to come out and confirm there was no winner and no loser
@@FazeRustyNuts It's your okay that you daddy got knocked out of Ultra Instinct unlike Gohan 😂
@@navinilan6993 By getting knocked out of Ultra Instinct and struggling to dodge yeah sure come up with anything to cope 😂
@@shadowslayer9988 I don't know why you're acting like that's such a big deal even if he did, it was just revealed in the chapter 103 Manga discussion that Goku wasn't trying, instead of addressing old chapters why don't you address new ones
Why would the dragon not look into peoples potentials. A namekian that can make dragon balls would also be very capable of looking into ur potential. That’s literally what nameks do.
The only relevant people excluded from the wish are kefla, hit, jiren, and frieza because they were not in universe 7.
Not being at your full power is a stupid ass requirement to be evade being included in wishes.
Because then the wish woulda been ungodly weak asf. The only way this isn’t true is if by sheer odds, the actual strongest warrior that whis and oracle fish keep teasing is already in a battle in which goku and vegeta would easily fuckin sense before the dragon itself.
Also goku was sand bagging vs gohan
I get your logic for Broly…….I just don’t think they are going that route at least yet lol maybe possibly in the future…….but I think you may be dissecting it WAY too deep and more than what the pen was putting it lol with that being said, I agree with who’s strongest and 2nd strongest right now lol
Granola happened after. Broly and he had his full power supersayain plus a zenkai from fighting go gets. And by the way broly controlled his full power supersayain by mirroring what gohan said about waiting until he was about to go to berserk and when his power spikes controlling it. Broly fanboys really have a habit of massively overestimating everything about him instead of being objective while giving him credit where it’s due but broly was far surpassed but granola gas goku and vegeta at the point of that arc and closed the gap in the time skip between that arc and the super hero movie. You’re misleading everyone watching this video because in the Moro arc broly was mentioned and the survivor arc immediately followed it meaning broly has already had the fight with gotta and stacked supersayain with his ikari so yes he was a mortal in universe 7 and was included in the wish as only gods and angles were left out.
So ssj broly is stronger than ssj 3?
最図の潜在パワーを持つサイヤ人普段はおだやかな性格の持ち主。The Saiyan with the most latent potential power of all, usually with a calm personality.
Dragon Ball Super Hero's promotional material:Broly have the greatest latent potential out of everyone which includes Gohan despite we know Gohan's power relies in his latent potential lol, why people don't like that Broly is that powerful lol
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Rip Toriyama.
Full dbs chapter hasn't even came out
Its out but I definitely disagree. He purposely left out goku continuing to fight gohan and even knock him back to push his point. Gohan even swings broly around like a doll but he also purposely left that out also
Majinbird is the page that has it
@@Antonio-vn5xc Ts is crazy if true, so many Broly fans that desperately want for him to be stronger than Goku, obviously there's the possibility but they're so bent on making the possibility of Goku being on his lvl or stronger absurd
@@Antonio-vn5xcwait what? It's out? I''ve only seen leaks
@gokusvictim4704 majinbird is the page with the whole chapter on. Yeah goku is probably stronger tha. Broly. His performance was short but gohan swinging ss broly around by his feet. Gohan is impressed with his power though. This guy on this video is just pushing an agenda of misinformation
Yeah broly grew stronger
Last i checked his been on beerus planet for a while
The wish would still include him it just dosent account for him growing stronger after
people need to remember that this is kids anime and what author tells and show u, is almost all time true. u don't have to dig this deep😂😂😂
And again Gohan had to try over 100 times just to land a hit while Goku dodged over 100 hits from Gohan lol. Gohan was actually trying to hit Goku with all his strength and power and only landed 3 hits lol
Not all his power, official manga says he just powered up.
It feels like this video was made in a rush, and with some raw emotion as a reaction to some peoples opinions. It does not portray a good look for you, as some points of the video straight up descend into insulting your viewers. Maybe take more time in future to analyse everyones views before making a reaction in the future. Everyones opinions are just that... opinions. Just a viewpoint. Never a reason to get so heated.
So on topic and IMO, Just because Gohan knocked Goku out of UI does not mean that Gohan was way above Goku, not at all. Goku was able to transform right back, so at best Gohan caught Goku off guard and his power likely did surpass Goku's in that moment. But I would hardly say that it displayed an immense gap between them. Also Broly's Super Saiyan is a far stronger version of the Super Saiyan form and we have seen it stand up to both Blue Goku and Vegeta. But I don't think Gohan was fighting Broly at full power. Certainly not the same full power he used to push through UI's defense. Also doesn't Beerus outright state that Gohan had the most power out of the two? Or I believe it was worded as "A better handle on his power", which was also right before Gohan whips Broly around and sends him flying.
The wish must have included Broly. As it stated the wish was to be the most powerful individual out of all beings apart from the Gods. There is no real way to explain Broly's exclusion without inventing some head canon. The only way I can invent some head canon that allows for the wish but doesn't make Granolah insanely more powerful than Goku or Vegeta is if Broly's power in a Beserk state is not considered. Since that level of power means almost no means of controlling it then perhaps the Dragon does not consider that level as Broly's maximum power. The other explanation could be tied into the wishes only drawback, in how is shortens the users life. Perhaps the Dragon gave Granolah the maximum boost he could based on the shortened life span. More power with only days to enjoy it might have been pointless. But that again is all headcanon.
I know in Dragon Ball its no longer as simple as this but (again, this is just in my OPINION) i think if we absolutely HAD to rank everyone's max power it would go something like this..
Mr Popo
Broly (Fully beserk like he was just before being wished away to Vampa in the movie)
Gohan
UE Vegeta (At the peak of this forms power)
UI Goku (However his speed is superior to UE Vegeta)
Broly (Controlled Super Saiyan)
This entire long paragraph is nothing but a reaction, their was nothing biased in this video whatsoever. You’re projecting hard and that’s the irony
I don’t know why you get so upset man the internet is full of people who don’t understand dragon ball or the obvious common sense power scaling but for some reason they think they are experts. No need to get so triggered and emotional in your vids mate. IMO brolly and Gohan potential are way beyond everyone else, don’t know if they will ever catch up to the angels though especially the grand priest
Well the tournament of power Goku wasn’t nerfed! He got nerfed after. If I was Goku I’ll walk away from U I
Wait buu gaynes a thing
I guess this also proves that they all beat cell max???
In death battle it's over for Gohan also broly never trained how to fight
Been saying this since 2018. None of these characters beat Gogeta
Just read whole chapter. Fans most definitely overreacted😂
I put Frieza as even greater than Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Broly and the others. If Frieza has already been surpassed, what's the threat? Where's the tension? What's the point? Until Frieza has been defeated, he is still the strongest mortal in the 7th.
Yeah I agree
Narratively, Frieza should still be the strongest
I miss the old Namek days when Frieza was terrorizing the Z fighters XD
Where was Jiren?
He's not a part of Universe 7
Jiren isn't in universe 7, so of course he wouldn't be included in the wish. Plus, at the time of the Granolah Arc, Goku had already long since surpassed Jiren (or his power from the T.O.P, the extent to how much stronger he's gotten since is yet to be known).
in a whole nother universe we know nothing about.
He would have one shot Whis so they had to write him out of the story.
Somewhere being fodder
Man your Broly agenda is crazy like so much copium
It's just your head canon that Broly full power wasn't counted
And even if dragon didn't count it goku vegeta Granloah are still stronger than blue gogeta as goku himself states that gogeta wouldn't be able to defeat Moro as Moro can use FSP technique which only works if you can damage your opponent
Also Gohan should only be strong as blue gogeta as Broly is compared to cell max and we know Broly hasn't grown in strength as stated by Whis
using the argument that it didn't include Broly's Transformations is stupid for the reason that you can literally use that terrible argument on Goku and Vegeta's forms too but we know Granolah beats them
Not crazy at all.
There’s a lot to unpack here, you touch all the scans but you never touch the scan that states incomplete Cell vs the Earthlings is the strongest battle in history, period. meaning It is stronger than Broly vs Gogeta blue
Meaning the Broly movie Broly can no longer being the strongest but current Broly could
And in this new chapter Gohan vs Goku, Gohan is shown to be a stronger combatant overall, Gohan would most likely win whether it was death match or sparring match, less assume Goku’s ki aveter would increase his power to such absurd levels that he’d just surpass Gohan but that would definitely kill his agility which is what UI thrives on. Gohan fighting Broly can only be used to scale Broly if it’s confirmed that Goku had Gohan fight Broly because he believes Broly is stronger than him but from what we know already is that they’ve been trying to draw Broly’s full potential, I mean that is literally the reason he’s on Beerus’ world. And also we have to be sure that Gohan started a sparing with Broly at full force, which would be totally out of character because we know that he’d give Broly a chance to warm up, plus the point that Gohan should be at full power because it’s after fighting Goku shouldn’t work because Vegeta with just his ssjb also fights Gohan and is not immediately getting one shotted as he should, if Gohan is using the same level of power he used to knock Goku out of UI.
Point of contention is that there is no clear chain of scaling, it is still too vague to draw definitive conclusions on who’s stronger, the only correct conclusion is that Gohan is at least slightly stronger or just stronger than Goku.
That keep starting broly is the strongest