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- Plagiarism is bad. Winding some people in court and as of recent, it's been a big discussion within the Vtuber scene specifically referring to one Vtuber...
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I’d like to add some information that I forgot to include when compiling this video, my apologies:
Mina has addressed the Hana situation and is making changes to the Clip designs and has also shown proof of her using the same hair style that the model currently has, in the past.
Mina has also made other changes to her design of the shoes/socks.
Mina is also being accused of tracing and copying other artworks but those are not her, it is someone else’s artwork not theirs.
If you’d like to see a more in detail look at this, please read the added points to this document. I will also be speaking more on this tomorrow
docs.google.com/document/d/1WISayGbzbqoTd7QMfS-RwE9SlOAM3PO3lCoaVm3l3uo/edit?usp=sharing
Should probably pin this so it doesn't get buried. that doc pretty much puts the final nail in the plagiarism claim.
@@autumnrain7626 thanks for letting me know it didn’t pin for some reason lol
@@Khyo np haha 👍
I think the most similar thing was the style and striping of the sleeves... That's it.
Those shoes were basic af, same with the same. The ears aren't much of a match beyond being cat ears either.
Not to sound rude, but everything in Mina's model, from the bottoms of her shoes to the tips of her ears, has been done before a thousand times over. And that's very reason is why she isn't plagiarizing anyone. While Mina can't make a claim that it's a completely original design, neither can any of the people that Mina was compared to. They all saw something neat and put their own spin on it. Mina also did that, just for many aspects of her design. And whether or not that's an issue falls to what you consider is "too inspired". It's like a Tik-Toker being mad that another Tik-Toker has LED's lining the corners of their room, or the FineBros trying to copyright react videos. Vtubing is becoming a very crowded space and likely we will see more situations like Mina appear.
THIS, gosh i feel like people are just being super petty and picky about such things, like calm down.
Man this happend in the illustrator comunity already, now vtuber, people just think too highly about them self
THIS - YES. Like you cannot plagiarize clothing, yes V-tubers own their models but you can't own clothing designs or colours or a hair pin. If you could then my god I'd have the seven hells on me for it >.> the creator (V-Tuber/Artist/Whatever creates) need to chill the F out on this stuff
LITERALLY THIS. if making a tiger character have stripes is a problem and not original, what is
From a technical standpoint original ideas are nearly non existent because our brain takes references and ideas from everything it sees or hears.
I ain't no artist, but that model doesn't look like plagiarism for me. Smh, the call out was so stupid.
Agreed
I had to go back and look at the model again. it isn't plagiarized. I agree with you. The call out was retarded
U right u spittin FACTS
That's an awful long-winded way to say "I don't want anyone to look like me because I'm insecure that people wont watch me if there's someone else who can fill the same niche as me."
I understand a Vtuber wanting their design to be unique and only theirs, but I feel as the community becomes more and more saturated - it becomes more difficult to not look similar to another Vtuber, manga, game or anime character. It can be a little sad, but I think as long as it's not straight up tracing - we should be more lenient with small similarities
Nothing is original everything is remix of something else
People take aspects of something and incorporate them too their own model and someone else might do the same too happened many times in many media
@@lionelk.y7233 Agreed. In the end, it's like music. You come up with something that you've never saw put into practice and work that into your piece, but then it's only after you get bombarded with plagiarism accusations that you find out it was never unique.
@@trentos or you'll write an essay and have a sentence that is similar to some random Oxford paper that you've never heard of.
@@Eagle1977 That too
Honestly, that doesnt look like plagiarism. If anything it's insignificant. I mean, musicians may as well forget about using the same musical scale, lol.
This 100%
"Hey, I also wear jeans, you plagiarizing @$%&!!!"
Torako, and people like her do this either for attention or because they want to be the only [Whatever] Vtuber, in this case tiger, they want to hold onto their ABSOLUTE UNIQUENESS. And to be fair, obviously, having competition in your niche of tiger vtuber hurts your income.
In terms of profit yeah but its too obvious that people like those, torako in this case, is hella petty...
Is Torako at least getting ANY form of backlash from this? Mina didn't do anything wrong and she getting all this strain from this. Hell she literally has her rigging commission cancelled for this. At least someone recommend or even offer to rig for her (with payment of course).
Honestly, its so stupid Torako just up and accused Mina of copying her model. YOU CAN TELL that Mina's model is doing its own thing
So let's say I was wearing the same shirt as someone, and they see me. They would accuse me of copying their style. That's so stupid and petty, no?
It is extremely petty but then again, it's Twitter. What else do you expect?
@@runezunn6655 lmao Vtuber community is becoming kind of meme thanks to all this sht coming from twitter. Really make u lose ur interest when u see is becoming like any other area.
It’s almost as if Torako doesn’t like the concept of not being the only tiger vtuber or something.
@@mapleflag6518 Here's a rule of thumb I keep with me as a creative: nothing is original because it comes from somewhere and it has been used before.
that wasnt plagiarism, that js looked like gatekeeping to me . honestly, there's many vtubers so you can't get mad that someone looks remotely similar ! no designs can be 100% original, and with the flower piece I've seen that in vtubers / anime many times, along with the shoes
As an artist who tends to heavily reference things, I have to agree that there was no plagiarism here. Good artists take inspiration from multiple sources and put their own spin on it when designing a character or environment. That looks like exactly what was done here. Some people just trying to create drama for no reason. :(
Edit: The only thing that could be potentially worth being mildly annoyed about is the silhouette. The silhouette of a character defines them more than you think they would. Really recognizable characters can be identified by their shape alone without any detail. The more VTubers that have similar silhouettes, the less recognizable they are at a glance. But even then, it isn't something worth getting too upset over.
It would be hard to make completely original characters every time you make a new character. "HEY! YOU CAN'T HAVE EYEBALLS! I ALREADY HAD THAT IDEA! REMOVE YOUR EYEBALLS OR I'LL SUE!!! 😭"
First I love your profile picture! Second I laughed so hard reading that!
I do not see any plagiarism. A lot of Vtubers will have similarities towards other Vtubers. I have seen a few youtubers that DID straight out copy another Vtuber but this is not a straight out copy.
I agree Khyo, it doesn't seem like the traditional form of plagiarism that I studied when taking law classes. It seems that a lot of people in the Vtuber community use similar aspects in their models, either an animal type, clothing style, jewelry, tattoos, etc. That doesn't mean they're copying your material, just that people can have similar tastes and style choices. It's a sad situation and I hope this ends soon!
yeah someone needs to get Mina a rigger. she doesn't deserve this
In my opinion, everyone should just focus on themselves rather than what a other vtubers does.
In the end many vtubers will start to look similar to each other anyway.
I get the frustration but i think you should just focus on your own content as there's a lot more to a vtubers than just there models.
Bruh, these folks would lose their shit in the furry community.. I'm in much of an agreement with what seems like most of the comments and yourself lad, this is a case of _heavy_ inspiration, with elements being rearranged so they _specifically don't_ look like what she was takin inspiration from.
Weak as fuck from the callouts, no two ways about it.
To be frank i don't care either way if i watch someone it's not for a design concept they use it's for their damn personality something little as a similar concept is not something that should be scuffed at. Not to mention with a detail like a tail the only thing that could be changed with stripes is patterns and there's not to many patterns to use so some are bound to be similar.
So Torako is doing the plagiarisms of like Boton, Byakko, Miraymoon, Mitsue, Rinzel.
OH wait, her model is based off of a Not unique animal.
People and their Feefees
Torako seems really insecure.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking
what they call plagiarism i see as "hmm someone bought the same shoes and hair pin"... what are they are saying is that no other tiguer or flower sakura hairpin can exist as a Vtuber? seriously?... grow up vtubers!
In my personal opinion, I think the whole entire drama should have been handled in private.
Mina's design itself looks like it was incorporating things that she liked from other Vtubers which in my personal opinion as long as Mina didn't flat out trace it shouldn't be a problem, in fact, it means that Mina was inspired by all of them and another thing we are not living at the beginning of time you're idea may or may not already exist,
for example, my character is a Zombie Bear we have plenty of Zombie Vtubers and I can't even count how many Bear Vtubers too so no design didn't have an idea or concept from it that hasn't been done before, and due to how popular Vtubing this kind of thing will happen again no design is original but what you choose with it makes it original.
Honestly the silhouettes of the two models being very nearly identical is slightly questionable. Granted, feline plus long, wavy hair is going to result in something similar. But what are the odds of getting a near 1-to-1 replication aside from an ahoge?
But everything else being highlighted - ears, every little item of clothing, even tiger stripe patterns of all things - none of these look similar enough that I would think they would qualify as plagiarism. All could have easily come from any number of sources. And taken as a whole, the model is very clearly distinct from any of the cited comparisons.
I could always be wrong, but this strikes me as oversensitive and petty.
I swear, the toxicity among vtubers sometimes reminds me of the Star Wars fandom.
Welp I guess Amelia and her 5 sisters , or Yozora Mel and her 3 sisters should be accused of plagiarism amiright? Like Bruh... how many ways are there to draw a cat girl?
The thing with art is that nothing is 100% original anymore without taking designs into obscurity and absurdity. Every pose has been done before, every expression, every common hairstyle... So plagiarism can only work if serious similarities can be found that don't come down to patching small details into it but actually copying large portions. And that can't only be a general pose or a character having the same eye and hair color or in this case tail color, nor mere clothing similarities. Especially not for comparably generic designs such as animal traits.
That doesn't mean that plagiarism doesn't exist. It does exist. But if it boils down to something like this, it means most artists will have to fear potential repercussions just because someone thinks they own certain design choices even when they weren't even the first to have them... Neither of these Vtubers invented these designs entirely and own any right to the details. They own the right to their full design choice but not small tidbits commonly found in fashion, animals, etc.
Taking inspiration isn't wrong. Most artists do acturally. No artist can claim they never took inspiration (unless they are blind artists and can't see what others drew perhaps) because we automatically do, even if we don't notice. It is wrong to say only new artists do. Even the most experienced artists take inspiration from their surroundings. In fact, it is how artists come up with the things we love. Inspiration just doesn't work that way that it only comes to artists randomly or only new artists take it from others. The moment we observe something, our brain processes it. And even if we don't remember, our imagination uses that information for coming up with designs, artwork, music, etc.
Tiger stripes are tiger stripes. They are literally something that exists in nature. Or will designers now call out every CZcamsr who referenced clothes they designed or animals they saw? (Which will honestly not work since a lot of designers are dead by now and lots of animal designs are generic.)
The idea that design is 100% unique is wrong. But it is not plagiarism. Or we would not be allowed to draw anything anymore since anything has been drawn in some shape or form before.
I could take any artwork, not just Vtuber models, and find 100 works each for every little detail that look strikingly similar. If I now act like the artist took inspiration from them and patch it all together to get a full work, then I'd be able to accuse every single one of plagiarism... Just based on what was said.
But I won't because it's not plagiarism. Especially not over such small details. This is gatekeeping at its finest and just absurd. As I said, no one would be able to draw anything anymore.
A lot of the referenced stuff already existed before either of them did a model. The story with the mother doing a personal design is sweet but she also just took inspiration and made said inspiration into the model and her own artwork. Such clothing existed way before. The shoes existed way before. The tails and ears also did.
Those are very generic designs. I don't mean this in a negative sense but that nothing about them is particularly unique. It existed when I first went to a convention where selling cat ears, in particular white and black striped ones, with tails was the rage. (That was 15 years ago at this point.)
They really need to calm down a bit or they will end up with a copyright strike themselves really quickly...
this is like trying to copyright someone just by having the ability to speak
Imagine if actual animals could accuse humans of plagiarism
The only similarity I see is the idea of using white tiger stripes to pattern clothes (e.g. like leopard print skirts vs leopard print pants) and the shoes. Everything else seems different enough to legally avoid plagiarism. I understand how Torako feels (it's natural to get negative feelings about it because artists feel prideful and rightfully possessive over their own hard work), but all artists copy (get inspired) in some way (including Torako -- it wouldn't be difficult to find other anime characters that look similar to her from before her debut. That's just how it works. People don't invent what they've never seen -- they only combine what they've seen before to make a fusion of product. That's what creativity and innovation boils down to).
You have to accept the idea that it'll happen to you. And if it doesn't match the legal description of plagiarism / copyright infringement, then you have to learn to let it go. See it as a compliment and move on.
taking inspiration from another's work and copying another's work are two different things. It's has happened often through out history. That being said altering another's work to pass your own is plagiarism.
...... how about we just never be creative ever again since literally anything can he called plagiarism
@@Outlaw7263 That would be really sad. do you realize just how many of the greatest things we love are all inspired by other older works? VTubers for example are inspired by Role play and LARPing, stand up comedy, variety shows, and the list goes on. We just have to learn to take the good and bad that come with it.
@@ashrimpcalledhank I think he was being sarcastic
They took it too far with the callout, I just know they will harras Minaowaa or any of her associates for a long way to come
ok, on the shoes part, you can't claim "mine" when the shoes are basic ass shoes
Not even close to plagiarism. I can't believe people are falling for this crap. There are thousands of vtubers out there now. To think you can make a character that's fully unique with nothing in common with anyone else in the world is delusional. Humanity has been around long enough that there's no such thing as an original idea. It's the same with every form of art.
Also:
"As someone with a degree in..." at the beginning of a discussion...
Automatic loss of credibility.
First off, I'm impressed with your head balancing skills. You must good posture.
As for the first topic, I did tell myself that one day in the world, there will be so many different things that eventually it would be difficult to come up with something 100% original. I do believe all this could have been done privately.
There is a difference between inspiration and plagiarism. It's good to know the difference
I guess u can call it being un-creative
@@1starfalco1 Not really. Everything is based on something else. You cant invent a new colour, and if you're referencing an existing animal, there will always be similarities.
poor Chloe is gonna have fits today with so many other Hololive talent showering Lui with well wishes and compliments
Can someone explain to me what "Accidental plagiarism" means... other than being an oxymoron. Especially confusing after invoking a "degree in character design"
Its like u drawing a picture without knowing that other people drew the same thing and ended up being almost similar to each other
That is alot of drama, this is why fans are becoming more toxic towards others designs.
I can understand the feeling of being plagiarized especially when people told me "You cant be the only Galaxy Kitsune" and that wasn't the problem its just I used to have a dark form and that was taken for someone else's design and tbh I was upset at first...especially because people who interacted with me decided to go to them and made me feel second rate even though I was here as a galaxy kitsune first... but I still followed them and decided to redesign myself and give up on the fact that if people wanted to watch someone else and hang with someone else that is like me but not me thats fine. I will stick to hanging with my homies that stayed with me.
Hey Khyo, you can't be a rabbit white and pastel blue colors.
Khyo you're clearly plagiarizing FGO with Fou, and Merlin
I’ve actually had someone accuse me of that before lol
I don't see an issue here. With over 5k vtubers on twitter right now. There's no way I'm going to see everyone of them. Nor have the time to compare them to everyone else. Until they get popular I'll probably never know they exist. And by then they'll probably have gone through several outfits and upgrades anyway.
Nah that aint plagerism, i can't actually see it at all what shes saying shes copying, people can have things and share inspiration stuff right?
I swear these people would call a painter making an oil painting of a landscape "plagiarizing nature's look"
So, torako's problem wasn't the designs because even the changed designs weren't good enough..... Torako just wanted to be mad to be mad.
Or is super insecure and can’t accept the fact that she isn’t the only white tiger vtuber anymore.
I "Love" how if you base one of your creations off someone else art (Reference) is what I mean, these artist will go Bat Shit Crazy on you ass!
If you don't think that's true, just take a good look at the artist in Devian-Art with all those "Closed Species" you have even one thing that's similar & they send a message, complaining & "insisting" - meaning (threaten to use their massive following to get you banned off the website, or ruin your trust with the community.) if you don't change everything they want you to change, all because you chose to draw a (same animal family, different species variant, animal Vtuber.) Or something like that...
Weakest case of plagiarism I've ever seen.
Inspiration does not equate to plagiarism. If she just copied the various patterns and items without making any alterations whatsoever, then she would have committed plagiarism. The fact she made alterations to suit her style, and worked with people she took inspiration from disproves plagiarism. There are so many Vtubers now that you are going to see a lot of overlap in themes and designs. It's now an issue of how much altering do they have to do to be original, not to be accused of plagiarism, while trying to stay within the set theme/design they want. Mina could've used normal tiger stripes and still be accused of plagiarism by another tiger Vtuber.
It just gives the impression Torako didn't want another tiger vtuber to compete with and tried to derail Mina with accusations of plagiarism. I'm pretty sure I've seen the floral patterns in Mina's design on other vtuber models/designs before.
To is literally ridiculous, things are going to be reused in different ways that happens constantly in anime and is going to happen to Vtubers too.
There shouldn't have been drama to begin with because she didn't just plagiarize the designs she altered it significantly enough to show that they are different.
I'm disappointed in the other Vtubers "calling" Mina out because this must be super stressful for her.
"i never saw someone use a duo flower hair piece with a gem drop for their avatars" sis we sell that shit in the store i work at, at least with moving cat ears they are only on the internet but urs is so unoriginal it gets sold for less than 2€ at woolworth
huh? plagiarism? dude a white tiger character is way too common, its not even a trace. If its an idea, having flowers on each side, dude that was way too common for aesthetic. I could even name a lot of anime characters with same design.
I'm liking the little cake on the head, just feels more playful to me
I honestly don't see the problem with her model, as the saying "Nada se cria, tudo se copia/Nothing is created, everything is copied" goes, at this point in time anything you make can be called a "copy" since someone, somewhere, already did something similiar in the past.
As long it isn't a one to one copy, having their own little spins, I don't see where's the problem.
I had an oc Ive been working on for years and its design. Am not saying the name specifically but their pretty similar altho rlly not. We both just took INSPIRATION from the very same thing, altho I was very shocked to find out I am fine with it now and didnt rlly make a big deal abt it considering am just a small artist and they were a big vtuber. Nothing is original in this world. Everyone takes inspiration from everything around us
It really doesnt seem like that much plagarism tbh just accidental similarities, besides not everyone can create 100% original characters, there will be similarities even if accidental
I’m trying to make a vtuber design right now and have lots of inspirations I always worry someone will say I’m copying
When talk about plagiarism in an academic sense, it is how similar something to another existing source, as well as how it is used in a piece
example, a direct quote is going be flagged as plagiarism because it is a one to one
Plagriarism also doesn't need to be just from one source, it is about how much is origrinal vs how much borrowed and how transformed it is
For art, however, it is a bit different, it is the level of vissual similarty and with vTubers one could argue, could you mistake one model for another at a glance
The author of ousama no shippo should sue every cat based design to hell and back to solve the problem. I've used actual clothing as the basis for outfits, Virgil abloh's coming for me
~headpat~ great job khyo (:
Bro toroko is reaching so bad, there’s literally no plagiarism in minas model
;-; I feel like the stripe on the ear and the jacket is a little too similar like if they pasted and warped the strips but that's also not enough say the whole model is a copy u know
Don't really get why Tora was mad at the fact Mina also had tiger stripes on her jacket and shoes. Many other vtubers has done it before. Like why? Tora doesn't own those ballet shoes design. This whole drama is quite dumb imo.
Nowadays, there are thousands of vtubers, especially when you factor in non english platforms like niconico and billibilli. There's bound to be many that look similar to each other. Honestly, the accuser's designs weren't that "original" in the first place if you wanna get picky about it (they're actually pretty generic and bland imo but I think that may be my own bias). I bought a flower clip just like the "plagiarized" one at CLAIRE'S.
As a former artist and other things I can say with absolute certainty that Torako is smoking the bad shit.
I feel that the whole situation, even if the subject in hand is very serious because is plagiarism they are talking about, is just the meme of wearing the same clothes
Women: *Beating each other* (but in this situation is more like just one party being hurt)
Men: Instant Bro-mance
And with the sphere growing like crazy is imposible being original, no one is original. We are the outcome of everything that surround us.
I honestly agree that it isn't a plagiarizing.
I guess you could say it's a bit nit-picky in certain areas. Of course the person can always update their vtuber model to look different with original details to boot.
Great video btw man. 🙂👍
Bruh... My OC that I drew back then literally had almost the same style, except it wasn't supposed to be a tiger, it was a wolf. What I'm saying is that this type of style when it comes to OC/Models that have ears that are meant to be a tiger, wolf, cat or whatever you want it are mostly common, hell, I didn't even know they existed cause I never knew that there's such things as vtubers and yet the ones shown in the video looked similar to my old OC, and I didn't even copy anyone or even had any inspiration.
The word "copy" is inherently bad so instead people say "heavily inspired " as if it didn't mean the same thing. Thats like saying a v-tuber got "graduated" from a company for breaking an NDA instead of saying the word "fired" because it sounds nicer. It doesn't matter. Clearly this design is un-creative. Or should I use a different word that means the same thing but sounds nicer
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this whole plagiarism thing in the vtuber community is starting to sound a lot like "pose theft" and "color palette theft" stuff that would go on in art communities. it sounds ridiculous but at this point thats all it can be called
They both just look like another anime cat girl v-tiber too me. There's nothing special about either of their models. Nothing is original in this world and everything has already been done before.
From a legal standpoint It’s no plagiarism. On a personal level I wouldn’t call it that either. Especially with the shoes generic as they are there are bound to be similar to someones design. They re both based on RL designs. Cat ears are another example there are so many cat drawings out there antropomorh or not that it’s bound to overlap. The same goes for generic fur patterns.
However I still find it wrong what she did. Her model seems to be an amalgamation of referenced pieces with only slight changes to many of them. Essentially making only these slight changes, as well as the fact she put all of it on a single model her own work. Her choice of referencing other vtuber was a mistake. Instead she should reference their reference if that makes sense. So for the fur pattern the used reference should be an old painting of a tiger. To implement them in their model changes have to be made so the design changes naturally. This way, while being similar it wouldn’t look like the same but with a small change. And also let’s be real. If then someone comes up with plagiarism you can just show the actual reference you used and they lost their argument instantly.
.....But it looks like other Neko vtubers tbh since alot of people becoming a vtuber its gonna be harder to make a unique avatar
if someone used similar things as I did in my design I would joke around with "our characters look similar, lets make them f*ck" or something, but for someone who has a degree in design like them (which I don't think is even valid without proof) their aproach is very basic and not unique at all so it can be very easy to find multiple vtubers with similar aspects and looks or even small details like pins, they are just making clowns out of themselves (talking about Torako) which is funny to look at
There was no plagiarism at all and that call out was so stupid and unnecessary. I'm an aspiring Vtuber and my character is a demon gothic/EGirl princess because I was inspired by other vtubers that are demons like Ironmouse. Doesn't mean that I'm straight up copying someone. Make it make sense
This just shows you that some people in the vtuber community are just using the word plagiarism as a way of attacking someone as well as using it as a form bullying.
I have an ex friend who keeps copying my OC. It frustrates me and it kinda made me stop using that character however, I would never name drop them or call them out. I don't see the point other than more hurt and frustration on both ends. Afterall it ain't plagiarism, just very annoying. Also when it comes to Vtuber your content is more important than the model in the long run anyway....
holy. im new to this whole vtubing thing, that's why im catching up with certain things that happened in the past to relate. but just being a cat girl isnt original already.., to call someone out for something like that is just too desperate at this point. should the first designer of a cat girl sue everyone that has use the concept?
Mina should have just blocked them.
Join the VTuber community, we have our own Kimba the White Lion vs Lion King controversy. Hmm, suspicious.
Ppl just wanna cancel.
This is far from plagiarism it's just some people being salty over similarities in art it happens all the time in the real world. People just love to be mad on twitter it's just sad. Having worked with both musicians and artists (who paint, draw or even make physical objects such as woodworking and clay) this is a common occurrence nothing is new or truly unique of course people will have their own flare and give a unique feel to it however this is just heavy referencing young artists usually do that when learning shapes of anatomy and objects so yeah this is just a case of someone who haven't fully developed a style/flare yet and therefor will be referencing heavily to make parts look right.
Short and simple: it's legal, but frowned upon. I couldn't be proud of making something that is a 90% representation of the original design with extremely minor adjustments.
I don't really think that that whole situation should be labeled as direct plagiarism.
Some parts are just inevitable when designing a model that fits the same general description, but the outfit, accessoires and patterns being so similar does feel a little derivative.
If they hate this for being plagiarism then I guess they also hate almost every single piece of media to date as they all take inspiration from other existing media.
I look at the character model and never considered it plagiarism, it maybe heavily inspired by certain vtubers but never fully copied exactly from the Vtuber
Unless you were the first ever person to come up with an idea, you never came up with an idea. All ideas are created by the same person, I can’t believe people don’t know this!
/jk
All this ridiculous drama is exactly whats keeping me from watching indie vtubers.
There is some good ones. Trust me. 😂
Did they actually try to argue that the 2 hair clips on bangs is a unique design aspect? shit I could go find literally thousands of characters from anime/manga/vtubers that have that EXACT same thing and a few hundred more with the same kind of clothes and shoes. Fuckin EN Inditubers making their entire scene look like a joke, almost as bad as VTweeters at this point.
Honestly, Mina's design does seem heavily(?) inspired in some ways though it's a tiger vtuber model. If she references it from torako then considering the changes she's done and started off with, it's already not supposed to be considered plagiarized since how else was she supposed to reference. I just want to argue that even though torako had the idea and jotted it down and made it out first, 1. They mentioned that Mina didn't follow the flow of the tiger stripes which means Mina plagiarized from them but tbh, didnt they do the same? But was just the first person to do it in this situation. 2. Even though Mina's design offended them, they didn't even try to be nice and started off making that message just to insult Mina and her design since it looked very similar to theirs. Isn't it just better to solve everything in private? Tbh, they designed the inspired from model and I have to give them credit for that but srsy, their attitude is trash and is just like any other toxic af member in the vtuber community that just feels power since they've been in the community and contributed more than the target. I stand by this
Also, lets be real with the tail. From that one comment, I need to say that torako just doesn't seem to like Mina in general to point out something as ridiculous and idiotic
P.S. Im sorry if I come out rude or blatant but this is just my opinion after this vid
Mfrs out here really complaining that two jackets look similar
I feel like if you get inspired by a certain character you should tell people who your inspired by!
god damn, even in vtuber comunity, there is still these kind of drama. Shame
so if i turned into a bunny with white hair and a blue sweater am i a gender bent version of you lol
it's like, gura would say shylilly is plagiarism just because she has a fish themed hoodies as well
in the end all of these shapes and designs have been done for anime art since the dawn of time? VT artist screaming plagiarism when 90% of the community has the same big puffy sleeves is so funny to me LOL
Also having a degree in character design doesn't mean shit lmao idk why shes throwing that around? there are incredible concept artists that are simply self taught
someone please get Mina a rigger ASAP. She doesn't deserve this.
You cant claim plagiarism if you have real life clothing on. Like, "she used the same sleeve", but you have a basic white girl jacket. It don't work that way lol
Not plagiarism, just uncreative. Thanks, it's useful to know people are thinking like this
That's fair to think honestly, but it's creative to me enough
@@RealRoboKnight She got some elements from all of them, put together and indeed made a better version than theirs. I think her design is more beautiful, but then she gave up uniqueness. If the artist was so talented, why not have more originality? But I guess the most important thing is that she likes it
Hehe head pudding
The whole plagiarism thing is nonsense, she took inspiration from it lol. “Oh no she also has tiger stripes” come on man
The call out posts were not needed one bit, if it was plagiarized then they could've talked in private instead
They did but it seems that Torako wanted Mina to not be a tiger vtuber because why else would she still call Mina out despite the fact that Mina actually changed up her design?
Honestly, with so many vtubers out right now, almost everything has been done already. Every animal, every clothing style, even Jesus has already been done. At this point, your best OC design is gonna look like you stole something from someone, because as with all popular things, eventually everything new and original will be done already. Not saying that some people don't just copy stuff others have done, but there is reasonable room for coincidence to happen.