Ariel Posen on Open E (R5R35R) Tuning, How to think about it and navigate chords and scales
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
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In this guitar lesson tutorial, Ariel Posen chats with me about how he thinks in Open E (Open C for him cos he detunes) for chords, scales and how he sees patterns. Some of this stuff has taken me a while to digest it all properly - but I'll add some context over on the website shortly - follow the link above!
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Thank you. Now I'm confused at a much more advanced level.
LOL>HAHAHA> I hear ya.
jajajajajjjajaja same! -_-!
😂
I had the pleasure of taking an open E masterclass session with Ariel a few years back. We were all hungover from the night before so it was a bit of a mindf*ck but the guy is a legend for sure.
Cheers Justin!
It’s so interesting to watch Justin and Ariel learn and explore. Probably like a lot of people watching the video, I find this way above my knowledge and ability. Still, the ideas of finding ways to express different colors of sounds is intriguing. Also, Ariel’s comment about breaking the rules is great. I worry too much about following music theory rules and forget Justin’s most important rule: If it sounds good, it is good.
They keep interchanging number assignments representing chord progression intervals (as in the "5th" chord in a progression), with chord tone intervals (5th interval relative to a chord), with "positions" (which mean nothing at all really, it's not formal music)... I get confused, and I'm pretty proficient at music theory. Maybe Justin can clear it up in a lesson, but it sounds like this entire lesson is as follows: In open tuning, you might as well take advantage of open strings as much as possible (because chord voicings that include open strings sound rich). You can use this exact same approach in standard tuning, so I'll talk about the lesson as if it were a discussion in standard tuning: So if your progression is a bunch of chords, say a 1 - 4 - 5 in the key of A, as in A major, D major, E major (or E7 if you prefer), instead of playing that at the fifth fret with a barre chord voicing of A, and let's pretend for a moment you're also bored of the cowboy chord A: x02220, instead apply the capo on the 2nd fret, and play a G chord shape at the 5th fret (which is still A major but using a voicing borrowing from the shape of the G cowboy chord), then do your progression relative to that... so your 4 chord (D major), would be a C shape chord: 254232 (note this assumes the "2nd" fret is fingered by the capo itself).... The reason you would do this is perhaps you just LOVE the sound you get from the G cowboy and C cowboy chord voicings that take advantage of open strings, additionally you might have some licks you tend to do along with those chord grips. Another thing you can do is instead of thinking about prioritizing the 1 chord into your favorite voicing (leveraging a capo), you instead prioritize placing the capo so that the 4 chord can be the G shape, which would mean moving the capo to the 7th fret... Which seems to be Ariel's thing if I understand the video correctly (he like moving the capo to make the 4 chord his open position chord). Someone can correct me if I'm not interpreting the video correctly.
You never stop learning, That is what still makes it enjoyable. I learn and forget theory all the time , Just play and learn the shapes and patterns and keys and the rest will fall into place. He is right about the approach with the different colors and having different instruments and tunings and using capos it puts a whole new perspective on things.. Get out and play with people your comfortable with and ask questions and talk to other players and take lessons from multiple people. Watch you tube videos also. You Tube is my best teacher..
Learning open E now. Great vid👍
Wow! This is amazing. I was getting a little stagnant only playing on the 1st position. Never thought about playing from the 5th position. Thank you, for the great ideas to play around with.
Flattening the 3rd to a minor is also quite mind-bending!
Sounds amazing! Sounds crazy good once he started showing !
Not to mention the video is titled "open E" yet they are both in open C
Great player! Great teacher! Fascinating subject matter! Now can we have the idiots guide, 'cause I couldn't follow what was going on.
I'm in awe of the way you guys can name the intervals so quickly. Such a great insight in the way Ariel approaches the guitar, thanks for this Justin. Now go and interview Joni Mitchell as a follow up.... ;-)
Just as I start to follow .. my mind gets blown again .. just too good for me
“Can you do that again for me, nice and slowly?” - every guitar student ever.
Incredible lesson.
Ariel Posen ... Dangerously handsom, dangerously skilled
This is a great video. He needs to do another one with Ariel.
man, if you guys are that confused just imagine all of us newbs...
Very Very interesting. Thanks for sharing Justin
This is like advanced physics to me! But, it sure sounds great! 👍🏻
Go Open E minor and you can get minor and major chords super easy. I've found that it helped me be musical immediately with easy chord progressions.
I'm new at this. My guitar is tuned from the 6th string, E-A-D-G-B-E. I think I learned here that is "Standard tuning"? And here they are tuned E-B-E-G-B-E? Am I correct? If so, then how do you tune to Open E minor?
@@downhill240 I think he's two full steps down from E - B - E - G# - B - E (Open E Major). Open E (major) and Open D (major) are popular for slide guitar. With Open E minor (EGEGBE) you get minor chords with your index finger over all strings on one fret, and major chords with that plus the middle finger one fret up on the G-string. You can slide either or both fingers for some cool sounding chord changes.
@@downhill240 Yep. Just found Justin's video on Open E. Confirms the G#. czcams.com/video/NUS85SLQkW4/video.html
Thank you guys
I think Justin is right about ‘usual’ open C. When I tried Bron Y Aur in Ariel’s tuning it didn’t work!
Ariel is Canadian you know. Canada produces many awesome guitarists.
Hey will the next ariel posen vid come out soon?! with the chords?? Thanks
Nice video but I didn’t understand any of it 😀😀😀😀
Then I'm not alone
I'm not alone :D
Is there any course of this approach anywhere ? I dove into Vestapol kinda on my own for a while now, but it is always great to get taken by the hand a bit. Especially with stuff you just didnt figure out yourself
Wanna spend a week learning with Ariel in a wonderful villa in Tuscia (Italy)? 5 day residential workshop with amazing food wine and guitar fun!
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Mind blowing
Guitarist (DA) leaves guitar in bedroom tuned to open E. Younger brother (GA) who plays keys, not guitar, finds it and starts messing around not knowing it's in an alternate tuning. Hour later plays what he came up (song and some lyrics) with for his brother who immediately shoots it down, tells him to stick with the keyboard. Years later he convinces his brother to go back to it and he does. Hence we now have Melissa by the Allman Brothers.
Yeah .... gonna have to think about all that a bit.
czcams.com/video/2aegP8j5al0/video.html
Justin, where is the vid on learning the B Chord?
Justin can u make a tutorial video of how to play "red earth and the pouring rain" by bear's den
Mind blown 🤔
Thank you infinitely to all! HareKrishna.GodBless❤️🙏😀
Wow! 👍🏼
Damn I need to do more theory!
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Cheers 😊
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@@justinguitar thank you, going through it right now, this will help a lot. And I will subscribe
Justin, please clarify what the tuning Ariel as actually using. You talk about open C, open E, but what Ariel says is neither?
Ariel uses open E, but tuned down 4 steps to open C. CGCEGC (low to high). There are variations on open C I believe, but i promise this is the one Bros Landreth use. How Long was played in DADF#AD, same intervals just different key. Hope that helps
@@tomdickson6047 Thanks
That didn’t take long to confuse the hell out of me
HUH?
First
I have no idea what the heck is going on. But noodles are tasty
Where's the Paracetamol
I think I better pass on this one. I’d end up lost and shitty as opposed to well informed and shitty
I thought I was getting it, but actually... NOT. God bless the old minor pentatonic scale! :)
I've seen that guy before. He used to wear funny lookin shirts and play grandpa's guitars with a little dutch boy...
I think the issue with this video, one person wanted to TALK and ask QUESTIONS instead of letting the other person get in his groooove and element. It kind of felt like alfa male thing..... I know more then you ??????.etc. By some of the comments, I'm not the only one it was easily noticeable, the guest was very uneasy.
actually my impression is there's absolutely no ego going on. Ariel seems like he's just having enormous difficulty explaining his thinking, and Justin is desperately trying to make sense of it. Ariel's explanation of how he moves chord shapes around (via capo) to prioritize open string chord voicings in a progression are absolutely horrible... (It does sound great though). Ariel almost seems stoned to me
Hey will the next ariel posen vid come out soon?! with the chords?? Thanks