Orchestral Samples - Getting the best out of the room, mic positions and reverb
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Day 5 of our 5 day FREE CZcams course in Orchestral Programming! The sound of the room is everything so how do you user it to your advantage? How and when do you use the full ensemble, a chamber group or solo instruments? How do you make orchestral samples sound more realistic? Can an orchestral sample library give real emotion to the music? In this five part series, composer Guy Michelmlore gives you a quick insight into the essential orchestral programming secrets with this FREE 5 day course.
Day 1: Articulations and Keyswitches
Day 2: Dynamics and Controllers
Day 3: Legato
Day 4: Section Size
Day 5: Rooms, Ambience and Reverb
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Guy is like that ideal teacher that everybody wanted back in high school.
Thank you for this series!
Agreed. Lively. Fun. Teaches well.. engaging. You got it.
Thanks for this 5 day short course Guy ❤️
The Guy who saves the world ;) *or at least my little one :D. Thx so much! Greetings from Germany !
Hello!
I used a lot of mic and reverb control but watching Guy explained the whole thing made my mind blown nonetheless. "The more you learn, the more you don't know." This is precious knowledge
I almost fainted when you waited to say hello everybody . Love your sense of humour. OK now I’m gonna listen to the rest of the video.
I recently uploaded a video for one of my classes, and I had forgotten to edit out the beginning where I'm muttering, "OK....record rolling on Reaper....record rolling on OBS....ok, clap for sync...[clap]..............Welcome to the next class!" I wonder if Guy just forgot to edit out the first few seconds! LOL
Awesome, Guy! It made me wanna make music again 💜
my work is done
One of the best musical youtubers!
Guy, you're an inspiration. Bought your Learn Music Theory course a few months ago. After 20 years of playing music, several courses, and several teachers, I finally speak the language the way I always wanted to.
Currently unable to pick up the guitar or the drumsticks after a major surgery, and the newfound confidence I have on the keys thanks to you is keeping me from going insane. Thank you!
I like these shorter dives into composing and dynamics. Thank you.
Hi Guy,thank you so much for these small tutorials, they really help, one thing I would like to point out is Jake Jackson, I am a huge fan of his work, when ever he mentions layering reverbs he insists that the reverbs used are the in fact same, just one longer and the second shorter in lengh,but he insists in using the same reverb, same venue, he always objects to layering 2 different reverbs because of sound distortion and fazing issues, I watched all his lectures and he mentions never to do that. Kind regards.
I know he;s a big fan of altiverb. Personally if it sounds good....Every sample has a natural ambience but that doesnt mean you can stick it through a Lexicon or whatever
@@ThinkSpaceEducation thats what he said, if you are using say a Lexicon, use 2 instances of the Lexicon,one with short reverb duration and the other with a longer tail, but never use 2 diferent reverbs,as in mixing a Lexicon with Altiverb or others :)
If you want to add the reverb of a library to other libraries then you can use a convolution reverb. Just generate a click sound with maximum room level in the source library (with a rim shot, clap or something like that), render the clip and load the resulting file into your favorite reverb. This works surprisingly good if the destination library is fairly dry.
What a wonderful week it was. Can you show some of your actual work you have done for clients?
Those 5 videos were like 50 other ones from 10 alternate channels I watched over the years.
I love how the knowledge of digital music is evolving, and what you're doing for the community.
Thanks for this series Guy!! it is very useful
I really like this series. All such simple things you explained, but I never had understood it completely. Many thanks.
Thanks for the great little series!
Super-Guy did it again ! Thanks mate !
Guy your personality and humor makes you a great teacher. Thanks for posting these videos. I think I need to take your course.
Thank you Guy for this weeks lessons. I have learned so much. I cant help thinking that you are putting Thinkspace courses out of business, as your free lessons are so informative. Cheers again :)
Thanks for this series, Guy. Look forward to the combo vid to see how it all goes together.
It's important when demonstrating something acoustically sensitive, like reverb, to make sure you have birds singing loudly outside your window and to leave your mic open so that it gets into the mix. 😁 Even so, a terrific demonstration of the options.
Extremely useful. Thank you ❤
An Awesome channel you have here mate !
Thank you, Guy! This is a well written PDF and hits the essential points. Spot on as always, good sir! I love your content and thank you so much for your wit, humor and knowledge. Cheers from the States!
Looking forward to the tutorial... Thanks for the content
Just love everything you do.
Very helpful You are my favorite music teacher! I'd bring you an apple for Christmas if I lived close enough! LOL!
Thank you Guy. Super useful in a super concise format. I really needed this.
Nice Video, great information.
Thanks
Thanks for the instruction. I will listen to this quite often to get the sound of the rooms nand their differences. I enjoyed this series. 👌🏽💯
Hi Guy, can you talk someday about applying compression and eq to orchestral libraries? I love everything you do here... thanks !
Nice one Guy.
I think Guy might have watched Pirates of the Caribbean last night judging by the stuff he's playing today
More "Game of Throne's" to me!
Dude you saved me a headache! I couldn't remember the movie title and humming into my phone was useless.
TY sir, very good lessons
Nice Guy. Thanks! How about a video on mixing libraries from different companies? Like for example using 8Dio's Arcs with Spitfire Chamber Strings, or Symphonic Strings.
Been needing a video like this for awhile ! Thank you Guy!
Thank you Guy. I thoroughly enjoyed this and found it all really helpful as I do with all your videos. We're grateful that you take the time to help us out like this and with such verve and passion. It's delightful and educating. Cheers.
Thank you Guy!
Well done
Outstanding as always! thank you sharing
Amazing series! thank you so much Guy!!
Hi Guy! Great video, Big fan! Also, the release of hollywood strings is cut of by releasing the notes. If you hold them or use the sustain pedal you'll get the proper release tail of the stage. Its longer than you think :)
Cheers!
Wonderful man, wonderful humour and wonderfully British. No wonder I'm subbed.
Thank you for the 5 videos and days. Just went through them and learned a lot. Im new to the samples and controls. Looking to add textures and layers to my songs. The articulation key changes and room appreciate are so helpful. Any sample library recommendations for very articulate and intimate solo orchestral instruments? I'd like to really bring out delicate nuances from the instrument, musician and space to use as underlying sounds and layers. Thanks
Fantastic
Thank you so much for these five little courses Guy. Just one question, are we still on for a short video of your students on their courses? 😎
Yes we'll do that. Laods of them are just shooting some stuff right now
Guy, any chance you could do an episode of adding strings to a rock song, or a hybrid rock-orchestral thing?
yup maybe
Great series thank you.
Thanks for these Guy, they’ ve been all useful and very interesting as always. One question speaking of ambience: ever tried virtual sound stage? I tend to prefer the idea of sidechaining my orchestral vsts on the same instance rather then having a different rev on each track, am I actually loosing realism that way?
Always out reverb on a bus. Yep virtual soundstage works well but im happy with stjraight reverb TBH
Good video.
About the "one space/all in the same room": It would have been great if these companies (Spit, EW, Berlin...) have offered or sold (less great...) some IRs of the room in which their library is recorded (maida vale, sony, air, etc...,) thus we could have the possibility to mix their sounds with other sounds sent thru a convolution reverb using the corresponding IR.
(And I hope these companies have subscibed to your channel and read this, who know... 😉)
You even try to take an IR of Air and they'd have you out on your ear! However my concerto for starting pistol and silent piano is recording there shortly
@@ThinkSpaceEducation I'm sure you can get a decent IR without a firegun. With good mikes a baloon or even a tiny firecracker can do the job, no need of a 12gauge or even a 9mil.
And, well, with the right amount of money to a night janitor, life is yours!
Seriously, Guy, don't you think it could be a good idea to have the library and the corresponding IR?
Okay, it's a good I like all the videos, Guy I loves the section one.
Where is Guy? Are you on a well deserved vacation? Hope so. It's just that my subscription bell hasn't been ringing lately.
Loved it - Thanks !!
Thank you Guy! :)
I recognize the melody that u kept playing, isn't it from from your corse "how to write music"?
Great stuff. 🎹 👍🏼
If you have a non-ensemble library, do you suggest adding the same 'room' reverb settings to all the different instruments so that they sound like they were all played in the same room, or different settings to each instrument to add character to the overall sound? Or sometimes one and sometimes the other?!
Hi, there guy, I was wondering what is that piece of equipment you're using on the left of your keyboard is it a Cubase controller?
As I'm using a CC 121 myself.
Nice!
Guyyyyyyyyyy!!!!
What is the name of the song that you played at 1:36 ??????
Small rant but why on earth do most sample company's skip the detail when it comes to the close mics you should be able to turn them on and it be glorious just like someone in front of you instead the get mostly mono recordings that need to be combined with the other mics to create somthing useful. But what about those who don't want a tree or amb mic. In which case you would say well find another library that sounds good close but the truth being 90 percent of librarys are for film scoring and commercial stuff, where people just want that big hollywood sound. When it comes to writting for chamber/pit bands there's hardly anything out there especially horns that sound really good with the close mics.
I just found your channel and really like the videos. Do you have any recommendations for a midi keyboard? I’m looking for something more similar to a piano than a synthesizer. Since there are so many different ones and I just started composing music, I really don’t know which one to choose.
I am a little confused. So I have BBC symphonic orchestra library. I don't have the pro version so can't control mic positions. But am I right that people generally pull down the ambient mics and then place the instruments in the room with a convolultion reverb? And then add a synthetic reverb on top of that? I just get a little confused as to how many reverbs people usually have going on. I like the sound of BBCSO as is but should I be adding another reverb to that? It seems crazy that you would get rid of the room that you are like you said 'paying for'. I guess it all comes down to taste. Sorry if I have got this all wrong haha
Unrelated to this topic but I need help. Trying to get Spitfire Abbey Road One to play on more than one track in Motu DP9. Any tips or insights?
I see everyone mostly uses Logic but can’t imagine it wouldn’t work in Dp. Thx!
You must really like that shirt to wear it 5 days in a row!! 😂😏
Can't imagine the smell.
Just one long morning!
Have a word with continuity or Diana Ross’ dresser (ie. v quick costume changes during show). But on a Serious note, I love your vids with the info you impart and how you keep us engaged. Don’t go changing 😎
Hello Guy,
Does this mean I don't have to add a convolution reverb on samples that are already providing impulse responses of the hall they've been recorded at (just adding an algorithmic reverb for more lush)?
Love from Egypt ❤️
As long as youre using sampels recording in the same room yes. If not then without convolution they will sound like they playing in different rooms
Guy - Spitfire have this 'close'/'far' control (which I noticed you had set to mid-way) even on single-signal libraries. Do you know if that's real room reverb or artificial?
It's just altering the blend between the various mics. If you click the spanner after you've moved the slider you can see the changes in levels
Dear Mr Michelmore, is it possible to change the Tune A:432 instead of A=440 on Spitfire or any other Plug-ins? If it is possible please guide me how. Thanks in advance..
In the Spitfire BBC SO plugin, there is a 'tune' option on the top menu bar, same as with Kontakt.
Yours Sound of the room was much better with with the Microphone you did use before this you use now. Its mit the Equalizer or Kompressor.
Yours voice have defenitly with this microphone a more plastic charakter. For my Personal Taste its in parts so much that i Close yours Sound total and Just read the Subtitles to follow.
What keyboard do you have?
intro was great. Also, if you read this Guy, do you have any advise on making my music sound like a 1950's orchestra? like what chord progressions were common.
I'm just a beginner at orchestral work, but I would look at movies from the era to get an idea of the way music worked, and then think about microphone emulation as well. Which recording equipment was available at the time? Not just mics but tape machines, broadcasting equipment, etc. There may be direct emulations of equipment available. You might be able to do things like distorting and filtering high frequencies and applying valve emulation when you can't find a direct emulation. Good luck, sounds like a fun project!
I am allowed you ask you something about reverb?
Guy... you should have changed your shirt for each of these... LOL
I'd love so much to play with orchestral music, but as a hobby, it's hard to justify buying all the required (and nice-to-have) software to truly get good sound, since that will easily cost you multiple thousand dollars. It's a pity, but I can only hope that some day, the sampling will become more democratized.