Johnnie, you need to start releasing a documentary filmmaking masterclass. The composition, editing and directing is so amazing that I just forget about the camera. Can I ask, what are your techniques for interviewing subjects? And how do you find your subjects?
Beautiful video. Thanks for your share. Also enjoyed the overview of the fp L. I am new to this camera has it for just 1 week, so I am just finding your old videos, but they’re still relevant to me. I like this camera a lot, it is my favourite camera of all time, and I am old.
I love the shots! That wide of the building with home in the window and then the reverse! Oh my heart that was good!! Love the cup on the sill too, and all the other angles as well. Oscar Nom, nice work Johnnie!!
Loved the mini-documentary! I was so immersed in the story that I completely forgot that it was part of a camera review. Thanks for the outstanding work! One note about the point raised about the EVF cutting off the flow of HDMI when it is attached to the camera body. My thoughts are that if we're wiring an external recorder to the camera, will we even require the use of an EVF? Seems to me that the recorder can provide all the display one needs and then some - it's even tiltable.
I love your reviews. Watching a short film is my favorite way to see a camera being used in a real world situation. It sounds like the Sigma fp camera still has a way to go. Excellent short film.
Thank you All Things Film for your constant support! The SIGMA fp L still has a way to go indeed, but I'm sure it will find its audiences and dedicated users. Johnnie
Found out from B&H page that there's no 4k60...not even in crop mode or 8bit...Also, no demo of the PDAF. 4k RAW out to SSD is amazing but just like with Fp, it'll be line skipped :( I love the mini-documentary as always :)
Unfortunately on the video side of things, it was already a given that 4k would be line skipped - there's no processor in existence right now that could oversample 60mp footage in that body, especially while keeping any semblance of battery life.
@@ivanrzhanoy9389 You know, I was just watching Gerald Undone's video and it turns out I was wrong, which is great! In CDNG specifically, it oversamples. In his video, though, he goes more into why there's quite a few gotchas on the video side though..
@@fellowcitizen The R5 and A1 have oversampled 4k options, so it isn't the case anymore that as a rule the hi res sensors do line skipping. As for the original fp, it seems anecdotally that it oversamples its 4k image - which would place it in line with other cameras that use the IMX410 sensor
Hey AZFilmmaking. We already ran our initial DR and rolling shutter test and now analyzing the results. I hope that we can publish it all during the end of next week. Thank you! Johnnie
Looks great so far, fixes the main concerns with the original - clipping highlights/dynamic range limitations, and what often felt like moire. Despite being a 60mp sensor, what I'm seeing here looks very smooth and free of artifacts. The original is great, but almost seemed too crisp, due to the lack of AA filter, at times it looked like it had sizzling/aliasing edges.
@@CineD Thanks for the review, and the reply. Sorry if I missed it, but did you shoot the film in the h264 4k internal, or external raw? Edit: Nevermind, it's in the article. "About the video above: shot on a SIGMA fp L camera, UHD, 25p, variety of ISO settings, color mode “off”, x1.24 crop, Cinema DNG 8bit". Looks great for 8 bit, no banding issues at all.
@@Lensvoodoo Easiest way to record, you can shoot straight to the SD card in 4K 8 bit Cinema DNG. From what I've seen, 8 bit CinemaDNG isn' too far off from 10 bit H264 or H265 in terms of detail and latitude.
@@alexcorll90 How can that be? 8-bits gives you 256 colors because 28=256. You can't interpolate proper flesh tones, and you can't make accurate green that isn't recorded can you? Maybe our goals are different. I mean no disrespect to you but 256 colors are not good enough for professional work where I live. "easiest way" is useful in a hurry, but not what the client expects, nor what I stand behind in delivery, nor should you. Otherwise they'll think we're a buncha chumps and wonder why not pay a kid with a best buy camera instead! hahah
11:35 There's an "HDMI COVER and CHARGE" on the back of the EVF-11... Or is that just a slot to relocate and store the HDMI cover from the camera body?
Hey Leonardo. Thank you for taking the time to watch the video. At this current developing stage, the AF is not all reliable. I hope that SIGMA can refine this function and by the time the camera is available for purchasing it works better. Thank you Johnnie
Hi krishnan. Apples and oranges...Very different cameras for different users and filming situations. The only matching point is their almost similar sizes. Thank you Johnnie
600 usd EVF that doesn't autoswitch is silly. Luckily it's optional but still feeling a bit let down in this regard as its industry normal for people to switch to the lcd for review as seamless as possible.
How is the rolling shutter and image quality at 1080p 60fps full frame (without crop)? That’s the only video format I shoot in and my current Nikon d750 does great at it and am looking at the sigma fp L to be my second video camera + landscape camera. If it’s doing line skipping like d750 does then it might be able to achieve very good rolling shutter performance (I would be mildly worried about image quality, but d750 produces amazing videos even with line skipping but it has fewer lines to skip since it’s 24mp)
@@ENJOY97 The original Sigma fp can do 12bit 1080p DNG RAW internally and BRAW, ProRes RAW, and DNG RAW externally in 4k (the only camera in the world that can do that); I think it is also in the new Sigma FP L, but not sure. For video side, I would stick with the original Sigma FP for it's amazing low light capability.
I don't know about that. If it had a stacked sensor (read: not such bad rolling shutter) I'd consider it better than pretty much everything out there and I'd buy it in heartbeat. It has so many nice features, from USB-C recording to wonderfully small size. Would be nice with downsampled 6K, tho.
@@nightdonutstudio Log picture profile can not be implemented within this camera due to its internal architecture. Cinema DNG at 8bit is rather "economical" and can be handled well. (And the results are rather nice)! Thank you. Johnnie
@@jounihelminen6025 It is what it is.....In any case, if you saw my video, the last few shots were filmed against some very bright snow. No issue what so ever to work with the footage (shot it in 8bit).
Hi Y4vuz12. For the record, no sharpening was added to the footage at any stage. In fact, the new "Color Mode OFF" in the SIGMA fp L camera is tuned to be even less sharp now. Thank you Johnnie
@@CineD Gerald Undone also pointed out that the camera has a oversharpened look in a certain profile. Oversharpened look reminds me of smartphones so I really don't like it.
More pixels. And its uses line skipping. to downscale to 4k from full sensor readout. There is a lot of aliasing. That's from a unit that he tested. Also some color and noise issues. Maybe they will fix it in the next firmware.
I hate that FP cameras are marketed for cinema. And yet they are using more megapixels. Original fp downscales 6k sensor to 4k footage. When shoot in apcs mode it is sharper and more detailed.
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Johnnie, you need to start releasing a documentary filmmaking masterclass. The composition, editing and directing is so amazing that I just forget about the camera. Can I ask, what are your techniques for interviewing subjects? And how do you find your subjects?
Excellent story telling. The editing and camera work are stellar. Thanks for sharing his story in such a beautiful way.
Wow what a super review!
Review and short film (documentary) in one. Good idea. Love it!
Beautiful video. Thanks for your share. Also enjoyed the overview of the fp L. I am new to this camera has it for just 1 week, so I am just finding your old videos, but they’re still relevant to me. I like this camera a lot, it is my favourite camera of all time, and I am old.
I love the shots! That wide of the building with home in the window and then the reverse! Oh my heart that was good!!
Love the cup on the sill too, and all the other angles as well. Oscar Nom, nice work Johnnie!!
Loved the mini-documentary! I was so immersed in the story that I completely forgot that it was part of a camera review. Thanks for the outstanding work!
One note about the point raised about the EVF cutting off the flow of HDMI when it is attached to the camera body. My thoughts are that if we're wiring an external recorder to the camera, will we even require the use of an EVF? Seems to me that the recorder can provide all the display one needs and then some - it's even tiltable.
I love your reviews. Watching a short film is my favorite way to see a camera being used in a real world situation. It sounds like the Sigma fp camera still has a way to go. Excellent short film.
Thank you All Things Film for your constant support!
The SIGMA fp L still has a way to go indeed, but I'm sure it will find its audiences and dedicated users.
Johnnie
Excellent documentary! Enjoyed it more than the camera :-)
Looking forward to more in depth reviews, particularly low light capabilities compared to original fp.
Great documentary. I like that the Sigma fb L is a high resolution 61 megapixel camera that is the size and weight of a small point and shoot.
Found out from B&H page that there's no 4k60...not even in crop mode or 8bit...Also, no demo of the PDAF.
4k RAW out to SSD is amazing but just like with Fp, it'll be line skipped :(
I love the mini-documentary as always :)
Unfortunately on the video side of things, it was already a given that 4k would be line skipped - there's no processor in existence right now that could oversample 60mp footage in that body, especially while keeping any semblance of battery life.
What about 8K sensor area output to 4K. Do you know if it does line skipping as well or merges 4 pixels into 1?
@@ivanrzhanoy9389 You know, I was just watching Gerald Undone's video and it turns out I was wrong, which is great! In CDNG specifically, it oversamples. In his video, though, he goes more into why there's quite a few gotchas on the video side though..
All the current hi-res sensors line-skip or crop, but I don't think the original fp would need to line skip except in some modes - where is that info?
@@fellowcitizen The R5 and A1 have oversampled 4k options, so it isn't the case anymore that as a rule the hi res sensors do line skipping. As for the original fp, it seems anecdotally that it oversamples its 4k image - which would place it in line with other cameras that use the IMX410 sensor
It's the way more mature review than Gerald's Undone) Thanks. What can you tell about the rolling shutter in the best dynamic range crop)?
Hey AZFilmmaking. We already ran our initial DR and rolling shutter test and now analyzing the results. I hope that we can publish it all during the end of next week.
Thank you!
Johnnie
I haven't watched it, but when he started having crossovers with Sara Dietschy and getting shout-outs from Amazon, I knew something was up.
Really wonderfull documentary!!!👏😃
Always look forward to your reviews. We get an honest review plus a mini documentary on very interesting and diverse subjects.
Thank you Bryan. Appreciating you taking the time to watch the video!
Johnnie
Love your pieces!
Thank you, Michael. I'm appreciating the time you are taking to watch those videos.
Johnnie
This was very good!
Looks great so far, fixes the main concerns with the original - clipping highlights/dynamic range limitations, and what often felt like moire. Despite being a 60mp sensor, what I'm seeing here looks very smooth and free of artifacts. The original is great, but almost seemed too crisp, due to the lack of AA filter, at times it looked like it had sizzling/aliasing edges.
I'm sharing the same opinion as you Alex. It is a more refined matured product.
@@CineD Thanks for the review, and the reply. Sorry if I missed it, but did you shoot the film in the h264 4k internal, or external raw?
Edit: Nevermind, it's in the article. "About the video above: shot on a SIGMA fp L camera, UHD, 25p, variety of ISO settings, color mode “off”, x1.24 crop, Cinema DNG 8bit". Looks great for 8 bit, no banding issues at all.
@@alexcorll90 thanks. exactly what i was wondering. why only 8 bit though?
@@Lensvoodoo Easiest way to record, you can shoot straight to the SD card in 4K 8 bit Cinema DNG. From what I've seen, 8 bit CinemaDNG isn' too far off from 10 bit H264 or H265 in terms of detail and latitude.
@@alexcorll90 How can that be? 8-bits gives you 256 colors because 28=256. You can't interpolate proper flesh tones, and you can't make accurate green that isn't recorded can you? Maybe our goals are different. I mean no disrespect to you but 256 colors are not good enough for professional work where I live. "easiest way" is useful in a hurry, but not what the client expects, nor what I stand behind in delivery, nor should you. Otherwise they'll think we're a buncha chumps and wonder why not pay a kid with a best buy camera instead! hahah
11:35 There's an "HDMI COVER and CHARGE" on the back of the EVF-11... Or is that just a slot to relocate and store the HDMI cover from the camera body?
What about rolling shutter? Well, at least I can use mechanical shutter in photos. Oh, wait....
Exactly! Pretty extreme rolling shutter and no mechanical shutter at all. That makes it very bad in many, many situations.
amazing film, loved it❤🙌
Nice doc Johnnie. You can make any camera look great. Cheers!
Erik, so nice to hear from you! Thank you my dear friend!
Loved the doc. If the evf had a usb-c passthrough to allow external recording, that might change my mind about this camera.
Umm... it does.
@@marcus3d Hey Marcus. Indeed, sorry if that was not clear. HDMI is blocked, by the EVF itself, but there is a USB-C passthrough. Thank you!
Please sigma can you make the evf more compact in line with the proportion of the camera. Perhaps without the tilt/ swivel option?
Very nice doc, and Julian seems like such a cool guy! I would take musical talent over a baseball arm myself 😉. You are both super talented.
Thank you Chosen Idea and Julian is indeed an extremely talented artist and a very nice person to work with.
I'm glad that enjoyed our work, Chosen Idea. It become thanks to Johnnie a truly reflective experience for me as well. 😊🙏🏼
So... So... So... I´m nervous, i´ll go to read the review :) Thx as always for the work!!
Lovely image quality in the documentary.
Thank you innstikk, appreciated!
Johnnie
Amazing quality
Thanks for the excellent video Johnnie! Could you try subject tracking autofocus in a next video please?
Hey Leonardo. Thank you for taking the time to watch the video. At this current developing stage, the AF is not all reliable. I hope that SIGMA can refine this function and by the time the camera is available for purchasing it works better.
Thank you
Johnnie
@@CineD Thanks you Johnnie!
open gate? anamorphic de-squeeze?
Nice & Thanks :) Can you please compare Sony FX3 & Sigma FP-L :)
Hi krishnan. Apples and oranges...Very different cameras for different users and filming situations. The only matching point is their almost similar sizes.
Thank you
Johnnie
@@CineD Thanks :)
600 usd EVF that doesn't autoswitch is silly. Luckily it's optional but still feeling a bit let down in this regard as its industry normal for people to switch to the lcd for review as seamless as possible.
How is the rolling shutter and image quality at 1080p 60fps full frame (without crop)? That’s the only video format I shoot in and my current Nikon d750 does great at it and am looking at the sigma fp L to be my second video camera + landscape camera.
If it’s doing line skipping like d750 does then it might be able to achieve very good rolling shutter performance (I would be mildly worried about image quality, but d750 produces amazing videos even with line skipping but it has fewer lines to skip since it’s 24mp)
What about that trying the viewfinder out on other cameras bit? What happened? I'm very interested.
5:55 shapeshifter!
8 bit internal in 2021? Really?
Exactly 👍
@@ENJOY97 The original Sigma fp can do 12bit 1080p DNG RAW internally and BRAW, ProRes RAW, and DNG RAW externally in 4k (the only camera in the world that can do that); I think it is also in the new Sigma FP L, but not sure. For video side, I would stick with the original Sigma FP for it's amazing low light capability.
@@educatetube with your Sigma fp, can you shoot FHD RAW at 100p or 120p on external SSD?
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I don't think so
Thanks but this camera makes absolute no sense in the current camera market
I don't know about that. If it had a stacked sensor (read: not such bad rolling shutter) I'd consider it better than pretty much everything out there and I'd buy it in heartbeat. It has so many nice features, from USB-C recording to wonderfully small size. Would be nice with downsampled 6K, tho.
@@marcus3d go and buy it then.... you are probably the only one. 😂
@@ENJOY97 I agree with him and have been using the OG FP happily for a year now.
what is the dynamic range, at its best, on this camera?
There is no log profile. So you have to shoot raw video to get the best dynamic range. And this is the very large size of raw video.
Hi jouni helminen. We've measured 11. 1. Full lab test results is coming soon.
Thank you!
@@nightdonutstudio Log picture profile can not be implemented within this camera due to its internal architecture. Cinema DNG at 8bit is rather "economical" and can be handled well. (And the results are rather nice)!
Thank you.
Johnnie
@@CineD 11.1 stops with 12 bit raw video? That is terrible
@@jounihelminen6025 It is what it is.....In any case, if you saw my video, the last few shots were filmed against some very bright snow. No issue what so ever to work with the footage (shot it in 8bit).
Footage looks little oversharpened to me.
Hi Y4vuz12. For the record, no sharpening was added to the footage at any stage. In fact, the new "Color Mode OFF" in the SIGMA fp L camera is tuned to be even less sharp now.
Thank you
Johnnie
@@CineD Gerald Undone also pointed out that the camera has a oversharpened look in a certain profile. Oversharpened look reminds me of smartphones so I really don't like it.
@@Y4vuz12 it’s all in your head. Actually it seems like you’re repeating something said instead of actually paying attention.
I was afraid this would happen...it is good for photo but way worse for video...Gerald Undone tested this!
And way is it worse for video may I ask?
Thank you
Johnnie
More pixels. And its uses line skipping. to downscale to 4k from full sensor readout. There is a lot of aliasing. That's from a unit that he tested. Also some color and noise issues. Maybe they will fix it in the next firmware.
I hate that FP cameras are marketed for cinema. And yet they are using more megapixels. Original fp downscales 6k sensor to 4k footage. When shoot in apcs mode it is sharper and more detailed.
Maybe this one is targeted more to photographers...
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This camera will not be popular favorites. It's like a prototype. Perhaps in 4-5 years sigma will have something sensible...