It is funny. But i think its more about admitting to your ignorance and not pretending that you know history as if you know it to be 100% factual or that you have all the knowledge and others don't.
As a history geek and a Mexican who’s obsessed with his indigenous ancestry, I’ve been dying for Hollywood to make a perfect film on the conquest of Latin America. Mexicos entire history, dating back to pre-conquest, is it’s very own entire series of Game Of Thrones, I shit you not! It’s intense, bloody, corrupt, betrayal, filled with redemption, honorable, remarkable - all in one.
I think he’s the ignoring it lol. The guy was constantly making puns and plays on words... hi (high) shaman... squeeze the charmin (shaman) ... then hit him with wheelie hard... joe prbly couldnt take anymore amateur popsicle stick jokes.
Im from Colombia, and speak Spanish. I went to Cancun 2 years ago and noticed a lot of the locals were speaking a different language I had never heard before. When I finally asked a merchant I bought a necklace from what language was he speaking. He told me "Maya". I was blown away. Amazing how hundreds (if not thousands) of years later people are still speaking an ancient language.
As a man of Mexican descent this is good to hear people's perspective about my ancestry I did a DNA test and 53% of my ancestry is from the Iberian peninsula and the rest is from Mexico
The Aztecs didn't live in Teotihuacan, that city had been abandoned for centuries when the Aztecs existed. Aztecs lived a few miles away in a city called Tenochtitlan (which is buried under Mexico City's Downtown).
I’ve always wanted a sick Netflix series about the Aztec or any of the empires … made just like thrones… imagine how legendary that would be! Season upon seasons …
@Luis Reyes nobody would be able to do it justice. So much of the culture and stories were lost when the Spanish colonized that region and forced Catholicism. Natives of North America were more able to preserve some of their culture and stories because of the reservations.
Do you realize how hard it would be to emulate or even figure out their lifestyle back then? They didn't have books or paintings like we had. The history is so sparse. It wouldn't work at all like game of thrones. That's such an arrogant white westerner thing to say. It would be like a bunch of white people making Aztecs look like medieval white people.
I am Mexican. I live in the north part of the country but I do admire the Aztec culture from the center of Mexico. However I must admit that the Aztecs were actually pretty brutal oppresors. Theirs was an empire of nightmares and wonders....
The Romans killed people in a stadium and enslaved people as well but everyone talks highly of them without mentioning their brutality. What's the difference from what the Mexica did. They were an advanced civilization if you looked past all the other things.
just for the record, when the Aztecs arrived to the Mexico Valley, they found Teotihuacan LONG forgotten and in ruins. the time between Teotihuacan's construction and the Aztecs arrival is larger than the Aztec's arrival to this day.
It was probably built by ancient ancient Mayans before they migrated further south and before they were called Mayan. Mayans had pyramids all over the place.
@@marcusbrody8002 thats not confirmed, its just a theory, and like the commenter above stated they probably were not even called mayams and identified themselves as a completely different culture. We are talking thousandw of years here.
Es la primera vez que escucho este programa y me encanto. Hablan y hacen preguntas tan interesantes que nadie se ha hecho en un salón de clase... Wow que padre hubiera sido que así me enseñarán historia cuando estuve en la escuela.
Joe really needs to do a documentary like Parts Unknown but for ancient civilizations. It would be awesome to see Joe travel, converse and analyze all of the incredible ancient works like pyramids and what not
I don't know about that. Joe don't know much in depth. Amazed that Mexicans speak Spanish bc they were conquered by Spaniards like he just heard it or realized it for the first time ever. 😆
@@mayc8674 I don’t think the host needs to know much about it. If anything it’s better that they don’t know much as it’ll be a learning experience for him and we get to see the reaction on film. It would be annoying if some know it alll went around the world acting like they knew everything about different cultures and societies and it would also be disrespectful to the people of those countries especially if it’s an American dude acting like he knows more than the people themselves
The Aztecs had wheels, it's just that they're not very useful when the terrain is mostly rivers and mountains. Heavy transport took place by boat. They didn't have horses or oxen to pull heavy carts, so a wheel has limited utility. They were used mostly for toys.
@@truthmonster3290 well, bridges in this case. And they'd need much more of them, and better, than Europeans would. Also, it's tough to move all that stone without oxcarts. No cows, no horses. Llamas and alpacas just aren't as strong. EDIT: llamas and alpacas were an Inca thing. The Aztecs didn't have them. My bad.
@@truthmonster3290 with horses. And oxen. And donkeys and mules. And after advanced road networks and construction methods had been developed in the lowlands by other civilisations, who also possessed these resources. The Aztecs were pretty damned smart, building a major civilisation with a fraction of the resources Europeans had. If they didn't use wheels on a large scale, it wasn't because they hadn't noticed they go round and round and stuff.
@@unclescipio3136 they didn't even use arches, it was a long rectangle rock on top of the doors. they couldn't sail to Europe because they didn't know how. If they did sail to Europe their disease would have spread, they would have showed no mercy. There were plenty of animals here to pull carts, including humans. So, give Europeans credit. Thank You Europe, say it with me, Thank You White Man.
Josh just goes over it, but when I found out about the usage of ponds to look at the stars through their reflection, it just blew my mind. It's such an ingenious way to study the sky.
People tend to forget that when Cortes and his small group of Spaniards conquered the Aztecs in Mexico City, they also brought about 100,000 other armed Indians with them that were just a little bit ticked off at the Aztecs.
Awesome interview! I been in Teotihuacán and Puerto de Palos, Spain where they have replicas of the boats (carabelas) and the only thing that I can say is that I had some weird feelings. Btw, the Aztecs have beautiful poems, especially the ones wrote by Nezahualcóyotl.
Studying our own Polynesian civilisation has lead us back from the South Pacific Ocean to this land mass and civilisation and people. Our astronomy's are similar, religious beliefs (our gods before christianity) and we have structures (pyramids) build all our our islands that would have been a mimic of the Aztec structures. Would be awesome to have joe do a take on Polynesia.
..it would be subject to academia of the day and whose version is being promulgated as the current narrative. Rapanui, with its statues and written language throw a different perspective on Polynesian settlement patterns compared with other island groups, and add to the milieu of origin and influence. With Cook and other Eurpean explorers being discredited and vilified for their incursions into the Pacific, a Pacific perspective is welcome, but is subject to tribal and regional prejudices that may be detrimental in establishing a clear and honest appraisal of the situation. So who is Joe going to have on the show? The Rock? Manuia.
Typical anglosaxon bs propaganda. The spaniards were not the ones with extermination fetishes unlike the anglos and dutch. even Charles Darwin's grand dad admired the Iberian system. “In my study trips I have been amazed at how the Spaniards treat the Indians, like similars, even forming mixed families and creating hospitals and universities for them. I have met indians that were mayors, also bishops and even soldiers, wich results in the social peace, well-being and general happiness that we would like for us in the territories that, with so much effort, we are taking from the Indians. It seems that the London fogs cloud our hearts and minds, while the clarity of sunny Spain makes them see and hear God better. My lords, you should consider the policy of depopulation and extermination since, clearly, Spanish faith and intelligence are building not an empire of death like us, but a civilized society that will eventually end up imposing itself as a divine mandate. Yes, it is painful to recognize that Spain is the wise Greece and the imperial Rome, while we, the Kingdom of Great Britain, look like the evil Turkish corsair, eager for plunder”.
@@DCM88 Actually the initial colonizers were a bunch of criminals which is what the spanish crown lent to Columbus. Their disorganized settlement has even been traced back as one of the reasons of why corruption is so prevalent across Latin america. The anglos might have come with a more straightforward "cleansing" plan because they needed it to clear way for farming, latter industrialization, etc. The iberians might not have had that intention, but did it anyways through the diseases they brought which on their own killed millions.
One thing, Teotihuacan was not built by the Aztecs/Mexicas. By the time they entered the valley of Mexico, Teotihuacan had already been abandoned. Aztecs were nomads, and settled in current day Mexico City. It is believed that the Aztecs were among people that migrated from Arizona and were the modern day Hopi. Other than that, I really recommend everyone go to Teotihuacan and if they’re around Mexico City visit “El Templo Mayor” which was actually built by Aztecs/Mexicas.
I understand that they were trying to settle and were kind of mistreated by everyone already there. So they got to become tough and militar so they could be respected. And they gain their respect, building a city on a lake, and subjugating other through militar campaings, but also gained their fear and resentment.
@@MrErickloli yes that caused their ultimate downfall. The Spanish found tons of rival nations and moved to work together with them as they were originally outnumbered 10 to 1.
@@stevn7489 Yes, Templo Mayor is in La Plaza de Las Tres Culturas. It is still in ruins, however visiting the museum is worth checking out. I also really recommend visiting the Museo Nacional de Antropología.
@@antoniotellez8461 if it’s the one across from the Chapultepec grounds, I’ve gone already. In other words ya fui compa. Great stuff, I went after taking a Modern Mexico History class so I was my own tour guide.
my family owns tons of land around teotiuacan, my mom told me that back in the 80s she went on a trip over there and discovered caves that went underground close to the pyramids, she said that she and her friends went in and found orange/pink pyramids below in the caves and that some of them where upside down. they went back a year later, and the govt locked it up so nobody could go there
And if you go to Uxmal, you can say stuff in front of one of the pyramids and the sound comes back out at you through a tunnel as if someone inside is speaking. Must've really wowed crowds when shamans got the gods to speak from inside the pyramids lol
@@benbowland I guess its possible where we get the common folklore or stories that have a talking building or sculpture. I would love for engineers to design a place like this in the modern age.
They had wheels they just didn’t really use it for building it was for toys. And Teotihuacán is not Aztec at all it’s like almost a thousand years older than the Aztecs
I was at Chichen Itza in 2011. I was standing where they had there games and the the sound was travelling was so precise and calculated. Out of this world !
Legend has it that if you say TeoRoguacan 3 times in the mirror at midnight Joe Rogan will appear with a DMT pipe and give you hand job while you smoke it.
Ditto!! 100%! I would love to talk with this guy. He almost explains shit like he's high af. Who's about to stop at any point, mid thought, and say " ugh, ya know what I mean?" Lol. I can follow this dudes thought process, and he had me cracking up!
I think Aztecs initially, having never seen horses before, believed that an armored man on a horse was one large animal. Perhaps a godlike fusion of man and beast. "Aztec", a novel by Gary Jennings, is an epic and well-researched historical fiction novel and should be read by anyone interested in Aztec life and culture. That is, as we understand it...
glad to hear u guys talking about this. mexico speaks spanish because it was the rule of Spanish. but all mayans ans Aztecs descendents we still here. and we speak even your language. we still here :) just waiting
Joe isn’t laughing because he’s so intrigued about what Hommes is talking about. Hommes says something, joe grasps it then his mind wanders off during the clever dad jokes
The mesoamerican cultures knew about the wheel. They have found toys in ruins with wheels. There just wasnt a massive domesticated animal in the americas to be able to pull things.
Yeah but they didn’t use the wheel the way that would have been most useful. I don’t buy the idea that you needed beasts of burden to have the wheel be applied. There were all kinds of human pushed and pulled carts around Europe and Asia and Africa and I feel like being able to push and pull stuff as a human should have reason enough to apply the wheel as a tool to say the wheel barrow or human powered carts. What you’re saying is like saying Leif Erickson discovered the Americas which yeah he landed here but did not know the significance of his landing.
Teotihuacan wasn't built by the Aztecs. It was built a thousand years before the Aztecs migrated to that region. The Aztecs saw it as an ancient mystery they could explain no more than we can, though they did name the site, Teotihuacan. Joe is correct about the thousands of sacrifices - the Aztecs were bloodthirsty in that respect; but that had nothing to do with Teotihuacan.
Teotihuacan was a multi ethnic city of a population of 200,000 plus. Cultures in the city were Zapotec, Tarascan, Maya, Shoshonian ethnic people as far north as the US Southwest and had goods as far as Brazil and mica from the Great Lakes region.
That's right. Although Teotihuacan is a name given by archeologists, not by the aztecs. Olmecs were the real civilization, everyone else took beliefs and knowledge from them. Aztecs were one of the many cultures living at the time, who imposed themselves over others already there with their organized military structure.
For anyone interested there is a book called: "The Broken Spears" that talks about the spanish conquest from the side of the Aztecs and the other indigenous people around the time
I visited the Monte Alban ruins in Oaxaca Mexico thinking it was gonna be a boring assembly of ruined temples, but wow I was overwhelmed with the design and geometry of the place. I felt like I stepped into a geometric vortex.
One thing is for certain, damn near everywhere where people started settling and building, they were just either building on top of an already built civilization or just occupied it.
@@6obert-905 without the white man colonizers I and many other mestizo Mexicans wouldn’t exist. I for one am proud of my conquistador ancestors and my indigenous ones.
@Robert Cavazos Theres plenty of evidence for human sacrifice and cannibalis in Europe. Viking ancient Chinese and other Civilizations have committed these acts.
@@damianlopez9855 The historical concensus is that human sacrifice was much more prevelant in Meso-American civilisations compared to other ones that existed in the same period. If you want to argue human sacrifice on a large scale in Europe, you would have to go back to waaay before the Romans.
The Spanish had MASSIVE help from other tribes who HATED the Aztecs and couldn't wait to get back at them. Cortez was a master politician and had little to do with military skill or ppl thinking he was a God. Other tribes hated the Aztecs. This idea that the Aztecs were benevolent rulers and the Spanish were just that smart or militarily skilled is a myth.
Native allies were a big part of it, but Cortes and his lot were definitely capable soldiers. The Tlascala only joined with them after the Spanish fought them in battle, and Cortes defeated a larger Cuban expedition sent to stop his conquest of Mexico.
That's some what true but the Spanish were enslaving certain tribes and forcing them to work and protect them from hostile tribes. What we call Aztec were people that migrated from Polynesian area's throughout the Pacific into the Americas that encountered a conquered certain civilization's 1000's of yrs ago. There's ruin's in south America that predates any thing that Aztecs or Inca people were building or constructing plus Spain had to bring black moor's in as guide's because they were encountering certain civilization for hundreds of years before any white Spaniard set foot in the Americas.
@@stoneloc8979 you're a racist sir. Was it brown ppl???? No, it was black ppl who did it!!! Was it brown ppl??? No, it was Polynesian ppl who did it!!! Ppl like you can't give ANY credit to native Mexicans who immigrated from asia 1000s of year's ago. No!!! it HAD to be black ppl or Polynesian ppl. I can tell by your name that you're a racist.
After the formalities, Moctezuma: It seems some members of my council believe that certain obscure prophecies are fulfilled with your arrival, *General* Cortés. But I see a man before me, not a god. Cortés: Belief is a powerful ally, Lord Moctezuma, although I share your skepticism about my godhood. However, your mortal enemies, the fierce Tlaxcalteca, with an army 200,000-strong, now believe that myth. Of course, enlightenment came to them only after we decimated their army. Moctezuma: Yes, I have heard of your exploits and adventures in the provinces. Please be my honored guest so that we may further discuss the political future of the land; perhaps we can reach some sort of arrangement. Cortés: It would be my great honor to be your... guest, Lord Moctezuma. (to be continued)
Joe just ignores his pun jokes the whole interview, the whale did it on 'porpoise', building without wheels must have been 'wheely' hard. Joe 'just keep talking' Rogan
I believe the "whistling pots " of Peru were used in these places. Several whistling pots blown at once created a state of euphoria 💜 Joe, please do a show on this!
Fucking awesome..Joe going deep with QOSA frontman..those first encounters from the Age of Human Exploration.Historical accounts of these meetings are fascinating.As Joe was saying to be a "fly on the wall" when Cortez met Montezuma would be mind-blowing.Also the moment the Native people saw these massive Spanish Ships Approaching,and then there actual arrival with horses, and armored men riding them... mind-blowing for the native people,I'm sure...very entertaining and thought provoking discussion...bravo boys!! .
Nobody mentions how Joe interrupts to say "No, you don't have to look that way. You look that way," talking about the screens, to where then Josh Homme finishes telling about a reflecting pool.
In Bernal Diaz “the Conquest of New Spain”, the Iberians found a ship wrecked Spanish sailor who was living with the Natives. He said “In Europe I am no one, here I am someone.”
You left out the part where the entire crew was sacrificed or enslaved, and he and Geronimo d'Aguilar escaped in the night, and how Aguilar remained a slave while he became a war advisor because of his battle skills.
12:16 No, Joe, Mexicans were NOT conquered by the Spaniards...the Aztecs were. Mexicans are the result of Spaniards absorbing and mixing with whatever remnants were left of the indigenous population of Mexico. This happened in the course of three hundred years (1521-1821). In some areas in Mexico, particularly in the South and Southeastern regions of the country, indigenous communities became isolated and kept their language, culture, and traditions to a high degree. In the Central region, the intermarriage between the indigenous people and the Spanish settlers occurred at a much higher rate. In some other areas (i.e. Northern and Western Mexico), there wasn't that much mixing between Spaniards and indigenous people because there weren't that many indigenous people to begin with...which is why the European admixture here can go up to 70% or more, on average. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you for at least bringing Mexico and its history up for discussion in your show.
@@RizztrainingOrder depends on who he has on the podcast. These are entertainers. I wouldn't expect them to have many details about historical content.
Please have a historian of imperial Spain on, Joe. It's would really clear some stuff up. You keep coming back to the subject and an expert voice would be a great addition.
“In 1776 I wasn’t alive, and I’m ready to admit that” that was a brave confession sir. God bless you.
Lol underrated comment
Such a courageous act indeed.
It is funny. But i think its more about admitting to your ignorance and not pretending that you know history as if you know it to be 100% factual or that you have all the knowledge and others don't.
It's his polite way of saying he doesn't know everything, and doesn't pretend to like some others.
@HANG RIOTERS more honest than a politician**
This guy’s dad jokes are pretty good and Joe ignoring them makes them even better.
You mean like "don't squeeze the shaman"?
@@RayRand or like when he says "that would be wheely hard"😂
“they speak spainish” 😂
kmolu best one lol
No one knows
As a history geek and a Mexican who’s obsessed with his indigenous ancestry, I’ve been dying for Hollywood to make a perfect film on the conquest of Latin America. Mexicos entire history, dating back to pre-conquest, is it’s very own entire series of Game Of Thrones, I shit you not! It’s intense, bloody, corrupt, betrayal, filled with redemption, honorable, remarkable - all in one.
The OLMECS!!! are the most interesting. Not enough is known about them. I believe they are older than Aztec and Mayan.
If that happens, it will have to be done by a director like Iñaritu, or Cuarón. They are at the top of the mountain when it comes to Latin directors.
Closest film is Apocalypto.
@Akoire …no cigar
Fr it has its own Game of Thrones
“What goes on here matters, and if that is your focus, think how wonderful it could be”.
I like the way he thinks.
3:45
Josh: “That must have be wheely hard”
Joe: *Completely misses the epic dad joke*
This is not my first tike watching this, if you havent said it I wouldn't have known tbh.
Looool
Loved the dad joke!!!
I think he’s the ignoring it lol. The guy was constantly making puns and plays on words... hi (high) shaman... squeeze the charmin (shaman) ... then hit him with wheelie hard... joe prbly couldnt take anymore amateur popsicle stick jokes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Stuck here being an average civilian with a birthmark when I could have been a shaman.
Its gotta B on ya head tho
Yea gotta be on the head
My thoughts exactly 😭
Does it have to be a birthmark ?is a more considered a birthmark?these are true questions of a shaman
Life.
Im from Colombia, and speak Spanish. I went to Cancun 2 years ago and noticed a lot of the locals were speaking a different language I had never heard before. When I finally asked a merchant I bought a necklace from what language was he speaking. He told me "Maya". I was blown away. Amazing how hundreds (if not thousands) of years later people are still speaking an ancient language.
As a man of Mexican descent this is good to hear people's perspective about my ancestry I did a DNA test and 53% of my ancestry is from the Iberian peninsula and the rest is from Mexico
Joe "I'm just realizing the Spaniards are why Mexicans speak Spanish" Rogan
Many people overlook this fact. Many people are confused as to the racial identity of Latinos.
Joe acting like me when I found out Cameroon people speak French
... you all speak good English in America, Australia, South Africa...
They actually speak Nahuatl, Spanish was the conquered language...
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158 "Mexicans" wasn't still a thing tho
The aztec empire is heavily underrated.
The Aztecs didn't live in Teotihuacan, that city had been abandoned for centuries when the Aztecs existed. Aztecs lived a few miles away in a city called Tenochtitlan (which is buried under Mexico City's Downtown).
@@GatitaLindaRawr why is it buried ? And is apacolypto the movie Aztec ?
@@allanreyna9112 no those where Mayans not Aztecs
@@allanreyna9112 The Spanish built over Tenochtitlan.
@@hoosiernative9668 no, that movie was based off the Aztecs, not the Mayas
I’ve always wanted a sick Netflix series about the Aztec or any of the empires … made just like thrones… imagine how legendary that would be! Season upon seasons …
@Luis Reyes nobody would be able to do it justice. So much of the culture and stories were lost when the Spanish colonized that region and forced Catholicism. Natives of North America were more able to preserve some of their culture and stories because of the reservations.
Do you realize how hard it would be to emulate or even figure out their lifestyle back then? They didn't have books or paintings like we had. The history is so sparse. It wouldn't work at all like game of thrones. That's such an arrogant white westerner thing to say. It would be like a bunch of white people making Aztecs look like medieval white people.
@@andrewvazquez4683 just saw your comment. Exactly 💯. Nobody could possibly do it justice. Historically impossible.
@@PolishBehemoth sorry you were offended I was thinking in fantasy.. but also RELAX! 2022 is so weird.
Captain obvious.
I am Mexican. I live in the north part of the country but I do admire the Aztec culture from the center of Mexico. However I must admit that the Aztecs were actually pretty brutal oppresors. Theirs was an empire of nightmares and wonders....
Well, teotihuacans are aztecs are two different cultures
No different what christians did to each other!
The Romans killed people in a stadium and enslaved people as well but everyone talks highly of them without mentioning their brutality. What's the difference from what the Mexica did. They were an advanced civilization if you looked past all the other things.
@@michael85225 yup it’s the European way of tearing down our people and dehumanizing them
I trust the Mexica peoples more than Cortez and his genocidal army of Spanish mercenaries.
This guy is invited to the carne asada. I got a tia for you bro, she only got 2 kids.
😂😂
Asada??
@@gboogie360 carne asada translates to grilled meat, but it's more like a Hispanic/Latino version of a classic American BBQ.
JAJAJAJAJA ALV
@@gboogie360 a bbq lol
just for the record, when the Aztecs arrived to the Mexico Valley, they found Teotihuacan LONG forgotten and in ruins.
the time between Teotihuacan's construction and the Aztecs arrival is larger than the Aztec's arrival to this day.
Chingon
It was probably built by ancient ancient Mayans before they migrated further south and before they were called Mayan. Mayans had pyramids all over the place.
I was just about to write that it was built by Mayans long before the Aztecs
@@marcusbrody8002 thats not confirmed, its just a theory, and like the commenter above stated they probably were not even called mayams and identified themselves as a completely different culture. We are talking thousandw of years here.
They took over it from another civilization. They were a warrior tribe.
Es la primera vez que escucho este programa y me encanto. Hablan y hacen preguntas tan interesantes que nadie se ha hecho en un salón de clase... Wow que padre hubiera sido que así me enseñarán historia cuando estuve en la escuela.
Joe really needs to do a documentary like Parts Unknown but for ancient civilizations. It would be awesome to see Joe travel, converse and analyze all of the incredible ancient works like pyramids and what not
now thats a great idea I most def would see that
WHITES ARE RED DEVILS DISGUSTING CAUCASIANS LAND THIEFS ENVIOUS DEVILS
Joe needs to watch a few documentaries first
I don't know about that. Joe don't know much in depth. Amazed that Mexicans speak Spanish bc they were conquered by Spaniards like he just heard it or realized it for the first time ever. 😆
@@mayc8674 I don’t think the host needs to know much about it. If anything it’s better that they don’t know much as it’ll be a learning experience for him and we get to see the reaction on film. It would be annoying if some know it alll went around the world acting like they knew everything about different cultures and societies and it would also be disrespectful to the people of those countries especially if it’s an American dude acting like he knows more than the people themselves
Josh's tshirts as old as the Aztecs 😂
Holy shit. My birthday pre dates the Aztecs. Whooooaa
You have to wear those old special t-shirts until they fall apart! ;) I know I've had some riddles with holes and you just hate to throw them out
@@debbienorthcutt7768 Those are the most comfy ones!
He bought it like that
why waste money on new ones when the old ones work just fine
The Aztecs had wheels, it's just that they're not very useful when the terrain is mostly rivers and mountains. Heavy transport took place by boat. They didn't have horses or oxen to pull heavy carts, so a wheel has limited utility. They were used mostly for toys.
it's called roads
@@truthmonster3290 well, bridges in this case. And they'd need much more of them, and better, than Europeans would. Also, it's tough to move all that stone without oxcarts. No cows, no horses. Llamas and alpacas just aren't as strong. EDIT: llamas and alpacas were an Inca thing. The Aztecs didn't have them. My bad.
@@unclescipio3136 The Swiss managed just fine, with roads, built by engineers, in Europe, in the Alps, a mountain chain you may of heard of.
@@truthmonster3290 with horses. And oxen. And donkeys and mules. And after advanced road networks and construction methods had been developed in the lowlands by other civilisations, who also possessed these resources. The Aztecs were pretty damned smart, building a major civilisation with a fraction of the resources Europeans had. If they didn't use wheels on a large scale, it wasn't because they hadn't noticed they go round and round and stuff.
@@unclescipio3136 they didn't even use arches, it was a long rectangle rock on top of the doors. they couldn't sail to Europe because they didn't know how. If they did sail to Europe their disease would have spread, they would have showed no mercy. There were plenty of animals here to pull carts, including humans. So, give Europeans credit. Thank You Europe, say it with me, Thank You White Man.
Been watching for years this is probably one of the best episodes 😂👍🏻
Josh just goes over it, but when I found out about the usage of ponds to look at the stars through their reflection, it just blew my mind. It's such an ingenious way to study the sky.
when you think of it we still do this we just use big mirrors mounted to the ground!
@@damonsasser8129 holy shit
It really is
It's so simple.... It's easy to over analyze.
Also the earth mic
People tend to forget that when Cortes and his small group of Spaniards conquered the Aztecs in Mexico City, they also brought about 100,000 other armed Indians with them that were just a little bit ticked off at the Aztecs.
Redit?
Very true.
Google Malinche for those curious.
Cortez*
Cortez didn't conquered shit
Awesome interview! I been in Teotihuacán and Puerto de Palos, Spain where they have replicas of the boats (carabelas) and the only thing that I can say is that I had some weird feelings.
Btw, the Aztecs have beautiful poems, especially the ones wrote by Nezahualcóyotl.
Studying our own Polynesian civilisation has lead us back from the South Pacific Ocean to this land mass and civilisation and people. Our astronomy's are similar, religious beliefs (our gods before christianity) and we have structures (pyramids) build all our our islands that would have been a mimic of the Aztec structures. Would be awesome to have joe do a take on Polynesia.
This!! It’s a well known fact we brought chickens to the Americas so we may have been there thousands of years ago.
Joe will have some ia gale moments, jk, but yea that’d be mean bro
Tribal bro
..it would be subject to academia of the day and whose version is being promulgated as the current narrative. Rapanui, with its statues and written language throw a different perspective on Polynesian settlement patterns compared with other island groups, and add to the milieu of origin and influence. With Cook and other Eurpean explorers being discredited and vilified for their incursions into the Pacific, a Pacific perspective is welcome, but is subject to tribal and regional prejudices that may be detrimental in establishing a clear and honest appraisal of the situation. So who is Joe going to have on the show? The Rock? Manuia.
WHITES ARE RED DEVILS DISGUSTING CAUCASIANS LAND THIEFS ENVIOUS DEVILS
"Two stoners talk about stuff they don't really understand"
Thank you
Yeah. Teotihuacan wasn't even Aztec. Its an olmec sight.
also the Aztecs had the wheel, they just used it for things like children's toys. no beasts of burden...
Typical anglosaxon bs propaganda.
The spaniards were not the ones with extermination fetishes unlike the anglos and dutch.
even Charles Darwin's grand dad admired the Iberian system.
“In my study trips I have been amazed at how the Spaniards treat the Indians, like similars, even forming mixed families and creating hospitals and universities for them. I have met indians that were mayors, also bishops and even soldiers, wich results in the social peace, well-being and general happiness that we would like for us in the territories that, with so much effort, we are taking from the Indians.
It seems that the London fogs cloud our hearts and minds, while the clarity of sunny Spain makes them see and hear God better. My lords, you should consider the policy of depopulation and extermination since, clearly, Spanish faith and intelligence are building not an empire of death like us, but a civilized society that will eventually end up imposing itself as a divine mandate. Yes, it is painful to recognize that Spain is the wise Greece and the imperial Rome, while we, the Kingdom of Great Britain, look like the evil Turkish corsair, eager for plunder”.
@@DCM88 Actually the initial colonizers were a bunch of criminals which is what the spanish crown lent to Columbus. Their disorganized settlement has even been traced back as one of the reasons of why corruption is so prevalent across Latin america. The anglos might have come with a more straightforward "cleansing" plan because they needed it to clear way for farming, latter industrialization, etc. The iberians might not have had that intention, but did it anyways through the diseases they brought which on their own killed millions.
I feel like this guy looks up the grown up version of Dash from the incredibles lol
Hahahahaha
Most underrated comment ever
Hory shet
Every once in a while YT will provide quality roasts like this one lol
Neil Marciano lmao
The Aztecs interest me so much. Very interesting things to learn about their civilization.
A beautiful conversation. Thanks.
This guy sounds like the nicest dude ever 😅
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One thing, Teotihuacan was not built by the Aztecs/Mexicas. By the time they entered the valley of Mexico, Teotihuacan had already been abandoned. Aztecs were nomads, and settled in current day Mexico City. It is believed that the Aztecs were among people that migrated from Arizona and were the modern day Hopi.
Other than that, I really recommend everyone go to Teotihuacan and if they’re around Mexico City visit “El Templo Mayor” which was actually built by Aztecs/Mexicas.
I understand that they were trying to settle and were kind of mistreated by everyone already there. So they got to become tough and militar so they could be respected. And they gain their respect, building a city on a lake, and subjugating other through militar campaings, but also gained their fear and resentment.
@@MrErickloli yes that caused their ultimate downfall. The Spanish found tons of rival nations and moved to work together with them as they were originally outnumbered 10 to 1.
In the plaza of Las Tres Culturas? They were ruins last time I went. Granted it was a handful of years ago. Have they develop it?
@@stevn7489 Yes, Templo Mayor is in La Plaza de Las Tres Culturas. It is still in ruins, however visiting the museum is worth checking out. I also really recommend visiting the Museo Nacional de Antropología.
@@antoniotellez8461 if it’s the one across from the Chapultepec grounds, I’ve gone already. In other words ya fui compa. Great stuff, I went after taking a Modern Mexico History class so I was my own tour guide.
The Olmecs were the foundation, the Incas metal work, cities and roads. The Aztec were amazing builders. The Mayans were the smartest by far.
What about the Toltecs
Certainly significant but not in the top 3. They were known for their stone work and being great warriors but contributions to history are limited.
Yep, I'm fascinated with the Olmecs, we are not from the "new world"
@@memom1066 I’m you sound ignorant
@@topdawg182 Do you know how to write a complete sentence that makes sense?
my family owns tons of land around teotiuacan, my mom told me that back in the 80s she went on a trip over there and discovered caves that went underground close to the pyramids, she said that she and her friends went in and found orange/pink pyramids below in the caves and that some of them where upside down. they went back a year later, and the govt locked it up so nobody could go there
😮
That acoustic "miracle" also exists in the mayan city of Chichen-Itza
Went there on honeymoon. I was impressed by that.
And if you go to Uxmal, you can say stuff in front of one of the pyramids and the sound comes back out at you through a tunnel as if someone inside is speaking. Must've really wowed crowds when shamans got the gods to speak from inside the pyramids lol
@@benbowland I guess its possible where we get the common folklore or stories that have a talking building or sculpture. I would love for engineers to design a place like this in the modern age.
And if you clap in front of the Pyramid it sounds like the Quetzal bird, that's was adored by the Mayans
So what's the place/mound actually called? I'm trying to find it.
Josh giggling at his wheel pun at 3:45 killed me
This dude has the funny conversation improve jokes nailed. That's when you know you're just genuinely funny lol.
You know there’s so much more to learn about the Aztecs. I wish the government could invest more time in their study at school. Thank you Joe.
Why? No actual reason
They had wheels they just didn’t really use it for building it was for toys. And Teotihuacán is not Aztec at all it’s like almost a thousand years older than the Aztecs
You're right ...Tenochtitlan is Aztec (templo major)
They are both Anawak civilization.
Azteca were a confederation of three tribes, Mexica being the most powerful. There were cities that were abandoned.
Aztec is not a real word in our ancient tribes language. A german archeologist invented that word cause he didn't know how to read our language.
I just read that the Aztecs came to it later and named it teotihuacan
“Wheelie hard” no one caught that lol
I did.
David Kowalsky on the show smart ass
Well you obviously did
Baylee Siedr joe 100% acknowledged it
@@matthewkeogh1427Yeah, Joe just didn't think it was that great.
I usually don't like those knock knock type jokes but this guy tells them really well, he commits to them
Joe is awesome, he asks all the questions the rest of us don't ask directly, to his guests......regardless of politics.
Clarification: that wasn't Aztecs, that was built by the "Teotihuacanos" and Aztecs found it in their way in to the Land.
With Love:
A Mexican.
I thought these were created by the Olmec or tolmec? asking for clarification.
I thought that it was still unknown who really built those structures...
You’re wrong
@@saxonelyaman9212 Care to Elaborate?
@@3VLN They probably got it mixed up with Tenochitlan since that and Teotihuacan got similar sounding names
I was at Chichen Itza in 2011. I was standing where they had there games and the the sound was travelling was so precise and calculated. Out of this world !
SVfighter1 chichen itza is mayan
Josh Homme going with the flow baby
Love Josh's banter 🍺
Aztecs + DMT 3 times a day = TeotiRoguacan
Not bad, not bad. Original
Original mister
Legend has it that if you say TeoRoguacan 3 times in the mirror at midnight Joe Rogan will appear with a DMT pipe and give you hand job while you smoke it.
@@peterhaag9344 im too high for this man 😂😂
Peter Haag that’s a great bit dude
Guy seems like a real cool humbled dude
He's a singer queen of stoneage
Looks like a stoner surfer dude
@@edvas625 Well he is from California
@@edvas625 Well he is without a doubt one of the four cornerstone of stoner rock. And from Palm Springs, CA. So you are right on both parts.
No one knows
That guy reminds me of the college professor from the series "fro dusk to dawn". Who also studies Aztecs
“Gary come over and look at this “ lol hahaha 🤣
Joe really needs to respect this guys puns more.
Word
@Ska Krew Actually, she gone!!!
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Dude's humor was under appreciated.
Ditto!! 100%!
I would love to talk with this guy. He almost explains shit like he's high af. Who's about to stop at any point, mid thought, and say " ugh, ya know what I mean?" Lol. I can follow this dudes thought process, and he had me cracking up!
Absolutely, guy is funny.
“Don’t squeeze the Shaman” had my dying lol
I'd love to just sit with Joe an talk about history and life an life in outer space
I think Aztecs initially, having never seen horses before, believed that an armored man on a horse was one large animal. Perhaps a godlike fusion of man and beast. "Aztec", a novel by Gary Jennings, is an epic and well-researched historical fiction novel and should be read by anyone interested in Aztec life and culture. That is, as we understand it...
This guy is cracking himself up but it seems to going over joe’s head
Could joe possibly be a comedy snob!!?
Such a cool guy! Id love to be at a BBQ with him, He is hilarious
Cracking up because it's so amazing, you just have to be excited dontcha.
Sometimes joe needs to lighten up like not everyone on your show is a comedian. Forgive me for trying fuck lol
That shiny bald head
glad to hear u guys talking about this. mexico speaks spanish because it was the rule of Spanish. but all mayans ans Aztecs descendents we still here. and we speak even your language. we still here :) just waiting
Josh with the jokes..."wheely hard" & "squeeze the shaman", the one that made me laugh instantly. Love jokes of this nature!
Wow I leaned something new today with the reflection ponds mgs I never thought about that but now it makes Perfect sense
Awesome info thanks
Joe isn’t laughing because he’s so intrigued about what Hommes is talking about. Hommes says something, joe grasps it then his mind wanders off during the clever dad jokes
Yeah exactly lol. Love it when joe gets really focused and you can just read his face trying to figure out shit 😂
Yep I see that too, just because he doesn't laugh at his jokes doesn't mean that he's intentionally ignoring them.
You thought they were "clever?" Hmm...
Joe is slow. He’s high all the time. Same with the theo von podcasts, theo’s jokes fly over his bald head all the time
He heard the word “gorilla” and went down his own tangent in his head.
The mesoamerican cultures knew about the wheel. They have found toys in ruins with wheels. There just wasnt a massive domesticated animal in the americas to be able to pull things.
Ya, probably confusing Mexican aboriginals with American and Canadian
Yeah but they didn’t use the wheel the way that would have been most useful. I don’t buy the idea that you needed beasts of burden to have the wheel be applied. There were all kinds of human pushed and pulled carts around Europe and Asia and Africa and I feel like being able to push and pull stuff as a human should have reason enough to apply the wheel as a tool to say the wheel barrow or human powered carts. What you’re saying is like saying Leif Erickson discovered the Americas which yeah he landed here but did not know the significance of his landing.
@@kevinmarshall59 im sure the kingdoms did. The "aztec" built in a lake kingdom used their water systems though.
Kevin the wheel was not used because of how mountainous the terrain is in Mexico Its easier to carry than to drag or push basically..
@Favel Konefka.Troll
Jamie, why can't we access the full episodes of some of the older podcasts anymore? Are you guys aware of this?
"wheely hard".... Pun on point! loooool
Teotihuacan wasn't built by the Aztecs. It was built a thousand years before the Aztecs migrated to that region. The Aztecs saw it as an ancient mystery they could explain no more than we can, though they did name the site, Teotihuacan. Joe is correct about the thousands of sacrifices - the Aztecs were bloodthirsty in that respect; but that had nothing to do with Teotihuacan.
Teotihuacan was a multi ethnic city of a population of 200,000 plus. Cultures in the city were Zapotec, Tarascan, Maya, Shoshonian ethnic people as far north as the US Southwest and had goods as far as Brazil and mica from the Great Lakes region.
That's right. Although Teotihuacan is a name given by archeologists, not by the aztecs. Olmecs were the real civilization, everyone else took beliefs and knowledge from them. Aztecs were one of the many cultures living at the time, who imposed themselves over others already there with their organized military structure.
So called blacks and the first invaders the Mongoloids that crossed the Bearing Straight
Well I'm happy you had you time traveling machine to know all this lol
@@CarlosRamirez-wr8lm It's called history. Try it sometime. It's interesting.
He's desperate to ask if josh has taken dmt
Well we know he’s at least taken nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, marijuana, ecstasy, and alcohol.
Also, cocaine.
Alex Knowlton and possibly meth
@@alexknowlton4038 thank you. Lord thank you.
There’s a %100 chance Josh Homme has taken DMT in some form
Oh he definitely has.
There's very little Josh hasn't taken imo
I think it'd be cool to hear stories of the Aztecs that lived in what is now North America.
"That'll be wheely hard" bruh this man is a gem
Fear was not a factor
Get out
I'm sorry, I was 2nd comment and I Panicked
beautiful
@@crowsb4hoes889 lmao I appreciate the honesty there
Crows B4Hoes how poetic.
Give this dude a new shirt at least for his intellect.
no
He loves his shirt like I love my wife.
@@Viceroy11011 how's that?
@@JuancoPRoFlow it was a joke. I was going to say something smart about "till it's worn out" but I don't have a wife.
@@Viceroy11011 lmao. Should have said it before. Lol
For anyone interested there is a book called: "The Broken Spears" that talks about the spanish conquest from the side of the Aztecs and the other indigenous people around the time
Thanks
Something useful in the comments
Cool thank you!
The wheely hard joke was gold 😄
these temples should be on everyones bucket list. They're amazing and makes you question life itself...
I visited the Monte Alban ruins in Oaxaca Mexico thinking it was gonna be a boring assembly of ruined temples, but wow I was overwhelmed with the design and geometry of the place. I felt like I stepped into a geometric vortex.
How is Joe Rohan not laughing. Josh is hilarious how he thinks about things. 😂. I’m dying!
One thing is for certain, damn near everywhere where people started settling and building, they were just either building on top of an already built civilization or just occupied it.
yes, of course there is a conspiracy theory for that, several floods buried different cilivizations
Hard to dispute that now . Seeing that Mexico has pyramids built on top of pyramids
Damn I'm Mexican and i have the birthmark, I'd be a shaman
you wouldve been without the wh*te man colonizer
@@6obert-905 without the white man colonizers I and many other mestizo Mexicans wouldn’t exist. I for one am proud of my conquistador ancestors and my indigenous ones.
@Robert Cavazos Theres plenty of evidence for human sacrifice and cannibalis in Europe. Viking ancient Chinese and other Civilizations have committed these acts.
@@damianlopez9855 The historical concensus is that human sacrifice was much more prevelant in Meso-American civilisations compared to other ones that existed in the same period. If you want to argue human sacrifice on a large scale in Europe, you would have to go back to waaay before the Romans.
Hello fellow shaman , I also am Mexican with a birthmark mark on my head.
I've been to Teotihuacan and all I can say is that it's mesmerizing. A must go if around CDMX
Watching this from Teotihuacán
Josh is such a rare guy, so sensitive, so charming and funny, clever, yet a fucking genius badass poet who reinvented the guitar.
The Spanish had MASSIVE help from other tribes who HATED the Aztecs and couldn't wait to get back at them. Cortez was a master politician and had little to do with military skill or ppl thinking he was a God. Other tribes hated the Aztecs.
This idea that the Aztecs were benevolent rulers and the Spanish were just that smart or militarily skilled is a myth.
Native allies were a big part of it, but Cortes and his lot were definitely capable soldiers. The Tlascala only joined with them after the Spanish fought them in battle, and Cortes defeated a larger Cuban expedition sent to stop his conquest of Mexico.
@@triplehernan5155 you're a racist, sir. You hate native Mexicans and love white Europeans.
That's some what true but the Spanish were enslaving certain tribes and forcing them to work and protect them from hostile tribes. What we call Aztec were people that migrated from Polynesian area's throughout the Pacific into the Americas that encountered a conquered certain civilization's 1000's of yrs ago. There's ruin's in south America that predates any thing that Aztecs or Inca people were building or constructing plus Spain had to bring black moor's in as guide's because they were encountering certain civilization for hundreds of years before any white Spaniard set foot in the Americas.
@@stoneloc8979 you're a racist sir. Was it brown ppl???? No, it was black ppl who did it!!! Was it brown ppl??? No, it was Polynesian ppl who did it!!!
Ppl like you can't give ANY credit to native Mexicans who immigrated from asia 1000s of year's ago. No!!! it HAD to be black ppl or Polynesian ppl. I can tell by your name that you're a racist.
@@stoneloc8979 your name says it all. "Smith" is the last name of a racist.
This guys jokes 😂😂😂 gots my high ass pausing and laughing my ass off
Same lolll
The wheel one was good one too
o shit never ever even noticed that retro shirt I love this episode even more now
I love he picked his best shirt
“Imagine being a fly on the wall while Cortez and Moctezuma met for the first time”!! Mind blowing to think that Minute detail. Just really imagine!!
Gustavo Vargas, check out the series called "Hernan" you can see the recreation of this, La Malinche was their translator!
If you ask me the flies were the lucky ones. They just had to pick up the remains
@@JenniferDelgaty thank you will do
After the formalities,
Moctezuma: It seems some members of my council believe that certain obscure prophecies are fulfilled with your arrival, *General* Cortés. But I see a man before me, not a god.
Cortés: Belief is a powerful ally, Lord Moctezuma, although I share your skepticism about my godhood. However, your mortal enemies, the fierce Tlaxcalteca, with an army 200,000-strong, now believe that myth. Of course, enlightenment came to them only after we decimated their army.
Moctezuma: Yes, I have heard of your exploits and adventures in the provinces. Please be my honored guest so that we may further discuss the political future of the land; perhaps we can reach some sort of arrangement.
Cortés: It would be my great honor to be your... guest, Lord Moctezuma.
(to be continued)
Joe just ignores his pun jokes the whole interview, the whale did it on 'porpoise', building without wheels must have been 'wheely' hard. Joe 'just keep talking' Rogan
I liked don't squeeze the shaman
@Iain Herridge except hes not funny
He's not high, thats probably why he didnt get it lol
He does that to everyone that isnt arie or, Duncan
Lol guess joe isn't the pun type
I believe the "whistling pots " of Peru were used in these places.
Several whistling pots blown at once created a state of euphoria 💜
Joe, please do a show on this!
Fucking awesome..Joe going deep with QOSA frontman..those first encounters from the Age of Human Exploration.Historical accounts of these meetings are fascinating.As Joe was saying to be a "fly on the wall" when Cortez met Montezuma would be mind-blowing.Also the moment the Native people saw these massive Spanish Ships Approaching,and then there actual arrival with horses, and armored men riding them... mind-blowing for the native people,I'm sure...very entertaining and thought provoking discussion...bravo boys!!
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Joe *"DID THE AZTECS INVENT DMT"* Rogan
IAmVenom Haha!
It was Mike Tyson fool
Bruuh😂😂😂
Matt The Heartless Aztec 👀 into it.
They called it the drink of the Rogans.
Nobody mentions how Joe interrupts to say "No, you don't have to look that way. You look that way," talking about the screens, to where then Josh Homme finishes telling about a reflecting pool.
he just dont want his guests straining their necks
haha this was one of my favorites
In Bernal Diaz “the Conquest of New Spain”, the Iberians found a ship wrecked Spanish sailor who was living with the Natives. He said “In Europe I am no one, here I am someone.”
Yep he also fought against the Spanish with the natives.
Gonzalo Guerrero
You left out the part where the entire crew was sacrificed or enslaved, and he and Geronimo d'Aguilar escaped in the night, and how Aguilar remained a slave while he became a war advisor because of his battle skills.
12:16 No, Joe, Mexicans were NOT conquered by the Spaniards...the Aztecs were. Mexicans are the result of Spaniards absorbing and mixing with whatever remnants were left of the indigenous population of Mexico. This happened in the course of three hundred years (1521-1821). In some areas in Mexico, particularly in the South and Southeastern regions of the country, indigenous communities became isolated and kept their language, culture, and traditions to a high degree. In the Central region, the intermarriage between the indigenous people and the Spanish settlers occurred at a much higher rate. In some other areas (i.e. Northern and Western Mexico), there wasn't that much mixing between Spaniards and indigenous people because there weren't that many indigenous people to begin with...which is why the European admixture here can go up to 70% or more, on average. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you for at least bringing Mexico and its history up for discussion in your show.
Aztecs is the name Spaniards gave them. “Aztecs” called themselves Mexicans
My people are from Toledo Spain, in the old days ,we viewed the Mexican's as mudheads.
@@JesusCruz-fo8jz it's mexicas, not mexicans.... it sound like meshica
What the fuck do you think Mexicans are idiot ? We are half indigenous and Spaniards
The so called black race
About the hearing the whisper at long distance......they knew the matemathic "number" or value of each sound note.
Is the full video on spotify??
This guy went to my high school a couple years before me. Our mascot was The Aztecs. Just funny that’s now he’s on Joe Rogan talking about the Aztecs.
He is one of the only people to ever say "please" when asking Jamie to "look into" something.
When the Moctezuma met the Spanish he said they stunk very bad. In those days showering 🧼 for the Europeans wasn’t a daily thing.
Josh seems like such a genuine nice guy. Very down to earth.
Teotihuacan predates the Aztecs by 900 years.
Exactly
Let the white people talk. It's for entertaining purposes. Lol.
I'm being Sarcastic.
But you are correct.
Some details just get missed in conversation. Or tours.
Hahaha I can't understand how they state it with certainty and conviction. Smh.......Didn't Rogan himself claim his talks are educational? 🤔
@@RizztrainingOrder depends on who he has on the podcast. These are entertainers. I wouldn't expect them to have many details about historical content.
This was the most unintelligent intelligent conversation I’ve ever heard
2:42 listen to that guys response to his question
@@riverofgorillas Well I suggest you research Graham Hancock's War Gods and see if you still believe the same lol
revanoke 😂
@@riverofgorillas thank you.i hate hearing incorrect history and then they spread ignorance
@@debbie7490 nobody spreading ignorance, do research on Graham Hancock's War Gods
jesus I learned something today... reflection ponds for the stars, that makes so much sense.
"Wheelie hard" and "dont squeeze the shaman" how did these go right over Joe's head lol. Hilarious.
Please have a historian of imperial Spain on, Joe. It's would really clear some stuff up. You keep coming back to the subject and an expert voice would be a great addition.
Racist academia
Spain experts are not the all knowing about Latino america
The Conquistador Era is actually cool af. They definitely didn’t care about feelings back then, or your feelings now.
What he doesn't seem to know is that many tribes joined the Spanish. And that the Spanish weren't as brutal or racist as English or French settlers.
Agreed