Killer Cop Convicted - Owned By Prosecutor On The Stand
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Thank you for showing this great trial.
The police department needs to have a professional evaluation on HIRING. On Narcissist and EGO behavior on new hires. I completely understand that this type of person is drawn to these JOBS it's not just PD, all emergency services are attached to EGO trip people. But cops must have exams for their EGO. Before HIRING. Don't know what the future will bring since the Hiring process is so much Government control. How many more American people die by cop is it going to change. Before these Narcissistic behavior is rotted out, and shut out of becoming a cop.
Narcissist = cop = danger to all
I feel like this trial is actually a loss overall. He should have got convicted of Murder!
These are the cops that need to be removed from service immediately -- those that cannot reason their bad choices and behaviors -- as asked about his 'B' grade and then re-evaluation of his grade but then refusing to re-assess his answer by deflect from it by saying, "oh, I thought it was a rhetorical question." Even when called out for violating police policy, he refuses to cave to his poor judgement. I believe he is just one of many cops who feel similarly in Law Enforcement; that they cannot make mistakes and should never (refuse) to criticize their own judgement, even when they purposefully violate the Law themselves believing in 'Qualified Immunity.'
Why would the department have a psychologist examine recruits if they are going to ignore the findings? It is insane.
Soooo true smh
It's not about seeing if they are mentally healthy, they WANT killers and psychopaths.
It's unbelievable that who ever hired him is incompetent as he is.
How about the time when most of a sheriff department failed their psych exams so they just got decked until they could pass and receive help on passing?
@SparkWithGavin Cops regularly make $150k+ with massive union pensions. They have built in OT and abuse the fuck out of it.
Don't kid yourself into thinking cops are poor.
Psychiatrist: "Unfit for duty due to narcissistic behavior."
Fort Worth PD: *Give that man a gun!*
i love the "would you shoot somone dead ?" "no problem " hahahahahah
This is America and welcome to Texas! Smdh..and people wonder why everyone says this country is the Florida of the world. Pretty ridiculous and just sad that you can become a cop faster than you can become a cosmetologist.
That's every U.S police department.
@@traceymacy That sinlge thing would have you barred from doing cop/military jobs in Europe.
Militart in the US is under much stricter rules of engagement than cops? Cop "feels" like they are in danger? Lethal force, police union will protect them. Military? If you are not fire upon, you dont fire, and thats with males. Shooting a woman who hasnt fired a shot would send you to Ft Levenworth doing hard labor for at least 20 years@@Some_Guy6
12 years for killing an innocent bystander in her own home , that’s a slap on the wrist , life without the possibility of parole would have been the way to go .
I guess it’s better than Amber Guyger who killed a man hanging out in his own apartment. She got 10yrs in total but eligible for release next year.
If that was me or you we’d be doing life in prison.
@honnideville
I remember that. She's already eligible for release? She killed an unarmed man in his own home
He won't have to fun in prison 😂
I bet you he only does 7 years!
He gave himself a 'B' in order to look humble/normal....he truly wanted to give himself an A+
(That's not the greatest). He said that too instead of saying he is a total and complete failure.
To attempt to even look humble he would have had to start with a F because he was a complete failure that day.
@@itsyahyou don’t know narcissist
They literally think they are the smartest person on earth.
@@fastinradfordable 45 has the same problem.
and some people want to give him control over the nukes
😅 that tds weighs heavy on your free rent in your head😅@@ulrichkalber9039
What’s sad is that he’s convicted because of this irrefutable body cam footage. RIP to those who were murdered and never got their justice.
RIP daniel shaver
@@briangriffith4574 The worst part is that it was on bodycam yet Philip Brailsford still walks free
No such thing as justice when someone is killed. Best you’re going to get is punishment.
@@briangriffith4574 In his case I think the problem is much deeper. The judge, the prosecutor (all the people that are involved after Shaver was murdered), how could they let this one slide? I didn't watch the trial so I don't know, maybe the prosecutor gave his best and the judge hindered his work. I'd have to watch, but I think either way the overall "system" failed in this case.
@@StarkillerObl I didn't watch the trial either, but the judge ruled for the defense that key evidence would not be shown to the jury, because "it had no bearing on the case" According to the jury that evidence would've made the difference.
You can get 20 years for embezzling $100K, but this guy got 12 years for cold blooded murder. Our system is a joke.
Manslaughter. He was convicted of manslaughter.
For real
life for life dude that's the justice
I’m white and that poor black lady who died should have this dirty cop do double minimum
You don’t fire at a potential homeowner like that 👀
when i was 12 years old I was jumped by five grown men with baseball bats and was left in a coma and came inches from death and half of my skull is now titanium and only the ringleader was caught and he plead guilty and all he served was 1½ years
This was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. She was sitting in her own home and instead of knocking, he basically is the threat he was called for. And it took 3 years for a verdict to be reached. Outrageous. He should never have been hired!
It is Texass...what do we expect from that shithole state?
This is what MOST police departments do. This is why qualified immunity MUST BE REMOVED. No one is pressing on.
Most of the delay was due to COVID-19 but agreed too long
@@davepirtle9790 It was not delayed because of COVID It was delayed because they keep throwing up BS tactics to stall the proceedings as long as they could until the case hopefully was out of the public memory. That's not a new tactic, that that's an old tactic of stonewalling
Not only that but the prosecution is about bad police work. Not the fact that he killed a woman.
They hired who they were looking for that type of mentality they love..
Exactly 👍🏾
💯🤮.
I wrote the same damn thing.
True
Yeah they’re just pretending that he “failed”
This was the most heinous one I’ve ever seen. She was in her own home minding her business!! It didn’t matter if she had a firearm or not
Same as breona taylor
Between her and Botham Jean, yes. He was sitting on his couch eating ice cream when Amber Guyger was drunk, broke into his apartment, and shot him dead.
@@khaliqmurray7334 the situations are not comparable.
In the Taylor situation, the police had a warrant to enter the residence. In the Taylor situation, they were fired upon before returning fire.
I have motion detectors around my house and if one turns on, I always barricade as much of my body as I can, as I peak through the window
in Texas no less
Every time he went silent, he's boiling inside. Because it's impossible for a narcissist to admit they're wrong. Hence the silence, he literally can't.
"I did a fine job"
Guys like this are why states are passing laws authorizing deadly force against cops
Well said
absolutely. They truly only care about themselves.
Can't argue with facts and your 100% correct. I noticed that too.
Americans hardly ever admit fault, its in their culture that being wrong is a sign of weakness.
WHO EVER HIRED HIM SHOULD BE ALSO CHARGE WITH NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE.
I totally agree with your comment.
There should a National Police Oversight Committee in charge hiring of all police officers. If you have a candidate for a position as a police it should require an in depth background check, physiological and psychological assesment, and a complete reference investigation with personal interviews of those references. Then and only then can the candidate be submitted to the committee for approval. No badge, no gun, no official duties until you are emitted a license to be a police officer from the national policing committee.
@@user-hi3vr2wz5cno offense, but more government will never fix any problems. All it will do is cost more money for the exact same results.
@@matthewtrauger3683 so better leave an obviously flawed system as it is than trying to make a change... sounds like the fing idea that lead to this exact problem...
Lol yeah ok…maybe get fired but let’s not get carried away
The department that hired him needs to be held 100% accountable for hiring someone that FAILED the pre-employment psychology exam
True
There is no pass/fail grade on those. Also, EEO would have a field day if anyone was ever denied a job due to a "treatable" mental illness. They are just checking for emotional stability. Yes, a rather vague term, but it is defined under the current DSM
Cowardly cops are idiots and morons @@SaanMigwell
Nope. For some occupations, that test can and has been used to deny employment. Law Enforcement is one of those jobs.
Why go peeping in the backyard? The front door was open. He could have said “police! Welfare check”. No reason to go poking around.
I will say he probably and reasonably was being cautious in case it was somebody that had broken in. Regardless, he screwed up bad.
@@JacobC479 That would be true, but the caller said the door had been open since 10 O'clock, body cam showed 7:30pm. If he was given that info by dispatch they he would have to assume a burglar was long gone. The neighbour called the non-emergency line, which would indicate he was concerned about their welfare (health) and not that there was a crime in progress.
He has no right to just open a gate and walk around someone else's property like it's his. Why not just stand and knock at the front door
It's not that he could have announced police presence, he SHOULD have! He's required to announce police presence for everyone's safety!
@@1cruzbat1 he didn't do that because it would have given his position away, he should have backed his partner up, and not let her go into the house alone.
The fact that he failed a psych exam and still got employed within a department speaks volumes as to the abhorrent state of policing in America. They literally will take anyone.
No they won't literally take anyone. They don't want ppl with high IQ. They have low standards for a reason, ppl with personality disorders will back up other ppl with personality disorders.
They prefer people who have a penchant and desire to stomp on civillians and show them who's boss.
They won't take you
for one bad officers are allowed to move from district to district by just quitting before any investigations start, second because there is NO federal data base for ALL licensed police officers in the USA, 3rd even IF there was such a data base there most likely wouldn't be any deterrents for NOT registering these officers, in many states there are such data bases but chiefs rarely place other officers in it and they face NO repercussions for this failure to act
Anyone under their IQ cap.
Narcissistic behavior would disqualify almost all cops. Lets get these guys evaluated asap.
Did you hear the story about the 27 cops at one Department that had their badges taken?. All 27 failed the psych test. Then 3 years later somebody of authority read the psych tests and these guys were put on desk Duty. Can you imagine even when they fail the psyc test, they give them a gun and a badge and authority to go out and ruin people's lives, unbelievable.
FACTS!!
Mostly everyone is narcissistic these days
Nah, it's a required prerequisite for cops.
most cops want to hold power over others. that alone is psychotic behavior 😂
12 years for murdering an innocent women in her own home?!?!?!? Our justice system is dead.
There’s another crime like this that just happened a month ago
Oh, no, it is alive and well for the thin blue line gang!
If I remember correctly, he was convicted of manslaughter, not murder. Thus, the lower sentence.
You weren't listening.
Sounds like his supervisors and the FWPD should be 100% accountable for his actions!!
But they won't. They never do
They love hiring psychopaths.
Damn right
LOL. Those slobs almost always weasel out of these things. They'll take the credit for big drug busts their underlings carry out, but when it comes to them committing crimes, they had zero to do with it. LOL. Crap supervision.
They can’t be more responsible than he personally is. However they should’ve known that this was likely something he was capable. Even months later and self reflection of the entire event, he still gave himself a B for a grade. He took the life of a completely innocent woman who in no way threatened him, his partner, or anyone else.
The way he acted and reacted is 100% consistent with narcissistic behavior.
he is well qualified to be a cop, according to police departments across the country
@@mondaynightmitch2823 honestly, he's like, above average for public servant's standards.
Ok comment section psychologist
I like how he admitted on the stand that he did pretty much everything wrong what he could possibly do wrong and still concludes with "I did a fine job!"
Antisocial Behavor on full display!
Dude calls hiring this guy "a mistake" but the police department knew exactly what they wanted and got it.
Accurate
True
Someone will be buying a Lamborghini and a mansion soon
I've been reading about this problem with US cops being militarized as far back as the 1980s (LA Times). 2023 and still having this issue -- albeit not as bad because of chest cameras but still popping up.
@@damienholland9244 the problem is, the bad press makes recuitment difficult. every singel cop that wants to be a cop in 2023 knwos that the police are racist narcissit tyranical murderers and joins becaus of that and not in spite of that. its just like te problem the church had in the 60s-70s with pedos and the fakt that peopels that would normaly be inclind to be a prist, became a hippy. every sane person, would not join the police force at the moment. so there is no chance at all that it will change, it will just be worse-
Why didn't they announce? POLICE! Is anyone home? Is everyone OK? Those few words would have prevented all of this.
The failure to di that is why he's now in prison.
They don’t. The cops that welfare checked me never announced who they were.
Abolish qualified immunity!!!
Absolutely heartbreaking!!
You better believe it
If qualified-immunity is abolished, then the police as a whole won't need to be, so it's in their own best interests…
They dont care if we the people are safe, why the fuck should we care if they are safe
Republicans will never ever ever let that happen. They swallow the boot so hard that they crap polish.
Do you even know what qualified immunity does or are you just spewing out what you’ve heard others say?
All of this could have been avoided if the officers would have announced themselves in the beginning. It was supposed to be a welfare check.
Or by hiring known sociopaths. That wouldve helped too
He wanted the situation to remain unsecured & ambiguous in order to ensure escalation. communication would have been the fastest and likeliest method to successfully clarify the situation so that was withheld
narcissistic personality style = " HEY, HE'S GREAT COP MATERIAL !! "
Her welfare check bounced.
@@helmsscotta Are we sure that cops actually know what a welfare check is?
Calling cops to "check" on your neighbors is a death sentence nowadays.
Only if your black , let's be honest here, don't make out the police are a danger to innocent white people ,like they are to innocent black people
Never call the police for non emergency .
Check on the neighbor yourself if you really care, if you don't mind your own business KAREN.
Nosy neighbor. Can't stand em
Why don't Americans check on their neighbours when they have concerns?
That comes across like the average cop. Arrogant and stupid with a huge sense of his own importance.
+1
Such fragile egos when they're confronted by smarter people too.
God it's gotten bad, when I was younger I knew a few halfway decent ones but that's been many a year ago and it has gotten disgustingly bad
Fred it's called QUALIFIED IMMUNITY the security blanked for all cops to violate your rights
The police department has opened up a HUGE lawsuit by even hiring this guy. They knew before they hired him that he was a huge risk. His psych evaluation told them as much before they hired him. This murder is ultimately on them.
In Selbyville Illinois a detective failed a psychological evaluation he didn't get hired he went to Coles County a neighboring town and the P.D. hired him.
@marvelheroes4829that’s a good point, we should start taking from their retirement fund.
They hire the psychopaths with intent, that monkey who murdered Tamir Rice was also said to have failed the psychological evaluation.
When they went over it after the murder they said no one should have ever given him a gun, but he sure did not even lose his job after the incident.
It's all about a white black thing, this is amerikkka.
He's white? Hired!
This is what they look for. They want psychopaths who follow orders without question.
His extremely quick response that he would have absolutely no problem killing someone in his employment interview is utterly disturbing, & it’s even more disturbing that the hiring officers didn’t find that disturbing!
Right! He seemed so excited to answer that question! "No Problem At All!"
@@Lotek117 I have no problem doing that if my life is in danger. I in fact have done it in the military and have no regrets. I'd never commit murder. I would answer the same way.
Because they FEEL the same indifference toward life as this MONSTER 👹
@@deusvult6920 Yea but a normal person would add "if I absolutely had to". His response and smile was out of the norm.
They're cops they aren't the brightest
You can only imagine how he treated the citizens before all this crap happened
Hey probably had a lot of, "pulled you over for a wide turn"
So sad,
No telling..
@@amkelle2 really? It doesn’t matter if other citizens were abused by this man? Damn, how do those boots taste?
I hear sex in prison is great. Hahaha
Let's just pray we'll get at least one of these monsters put away for a little while.
When the shrink says he isn't fit maybe they shouldn't hire him
A recent study stated that if police personnel depts. would follow their applicant’s psych evals, they would shred 75% of the applications they receive.
I feel like I had better mental fitness than this guy…even after coming back from Iraq at the age of 20. Unfortunately, highway patrol did not hire me because I smoked pot twice after my deployment.
@@publicuser2534but they hire this guy thank you for your service sir
It's sad because I'm sure the person who initially called to check on his neighbor probably regrets calling 911 still to this day
Think Hard before you call the Guns to Help .
There was a time when neighbors checked on each other and only called the police if something nefarious was found. I blame our societal attitude, Hollywood, and weak ass manipulated men for this as much as this useless POS officer. Those same factors are why Rittenhouse even had to stand trial.
Situations just as this one is why I'll never call the police.
You would think so or perhaps the person is like "welp, not my problem anymore" the second he ended the call.
I have realised people in the USA are very quick to call the Policy. They don5 realise they are calling the biggest criminal organisation in the world
Bare in mind, he only got sentenced to 'nearly 12 years'. This sums up the justice system for officers.
12 years of being beat up on a regular basis. He will also make someone a nice wife.
For manslaughter that actually seems like an appropriate amount of time. Was this manslaughter though? I would definitely say it wasnt
You can get away with murder that's why murderers love being policy enforcers they are above the law and some even belong to this very old Masonic system and are Freemasons and or secret society members and they have their own law's in this system they call unspoken law's they live by not the sheeples or the cattles law's they are required to live under.
@@r3dcoat397 of course you would...
@@scottneff1030 they take care of their own he will never be in general population and will have benefits the other's could never receive.
I absolutely GUARANTEE that there are cops out there RIGHT NOW saying that this cop did NOTHING WRONG!
Of course
Yep. Most of them.
Of course they're are! If cops didn't look the other way when these cops constantly break the law we wouldn't have situation like this. Everything from the recruitment process to the internal reporting system is wrong!
facts
Sad but true.
Fort Worth needs to be held accountable for this tragedy
To me , the greatest threat to officer safety is officers.
They're also the biggest threat to our liberties.
They're the biggest threat to civilians, past ten years officers have unlawfully killed more people than terrorists.
The greatest threat to officers is how they're trained. When you are told multiple times daily that everyday can be your last, when you're told that everyone is a suspected criminal, when you're trained that the use of 'deceptive tactics' is just part of your job, when you know that there is a 99% chance that you're colleagues will stand by and back your statements, when you're trained infinitely more on how qualified immunity works than the law this will continue to happen.
What costs more, the costs of body-cams/dash-cams which protect all parties or civil lawsuits?
Lawsuits are why police budgets are so inflated. We, Americans, need to stop paying law enforcement to harass and harm civilians.
If the harm only comes back to another officer ,that's on them.
More like, Justice
Hiring him wasn't a mistake, it's policy.
I think they hired him, because he's stupid. Smart people are not welcome, because they are harder to indoctrinate. They actually have case law allowing police departments to discriminate when hiring cops based on IQ so they can rule out smart people, and they fought very hard to get that. That would be illegal in Norway. The government is obligated to hire the best qualified individual here.
Yurp.
This. People are saying being diagnosed with narcissistic tendencies should disqualify him. It's like, no. That's exactly what got him the job
Most Policing probably needs to become like Jury Duty. You get a summons to serve your community for a month as some sort of community peace keeper and protector. You get screened at the muster point for reasons you can't be one then you and a professional officer are paired up and you go out with them. Your job to watch that they treat people with courtesy and respect and follow policies for interactions. Like a living bodycam or something. Your there for the citizens, not the cops. I know I know a crazy half baked idea but you know where I'm going with this half baked idea yeh?
@@JosephKano I do. Enforcers need to be from/for the community. The rotation is to avoid inevitable corruption and stagnation of ideas/policy. Of course without some kind of revolution this can't happen, the power structures and corrupt laws are just too entrenched. I coul;d go on but, yeh lol
Tatiana was an alumni at my high school and she was in the band. My band director was really devistated when he found out she was killed by the police and we had place a piece in memory of her
Hopefully your old director is warning the kids about the dangers of calling the cops for welfare checks
@@shasshybear9222 It's probably better you call a couple neighbors and knock on the door yourselves to check if they are alright.
@@antiGravity74 Dominos or Pizza hut are safer than calling the cops for a welfare check they often show up guns blazing because they're expecting it to be bigger than it actually ever turns out to be
My heart breaks for her family. Especially her nephew.
Absolutely NO EMOTION what so ever! This is disgusting! Where do they get these guys? As fast as he answered yes , no problem, killing someone was a huge red flag and now an innocent victim is dead! WTF!
Even as a sociopath I know to fake emotion and fake thought to prevent noticei think this guy is a psychopath
The most remarkable thing about this video is that it is so incredibly rare to see a prosecutor vigorously prosecute a cop. We've seen plenty of cops on trial where the prosecutor just barely did his job and in such a way as to make conviction nearly impossible.
I think the prosecutor did a great job during the trial. However. It took way too long to levy charges on Dean. DA only charged him because of public pressure.
And then I think the DA fucked up in jury selection. Atatiana's family was extremely upset that not a single black juror was chosen. The DA went with an older, white skewing jury in Texas for a case about a murdered black woman. I think the reason the jury went with manslaughter over murder was possibly because of prejudice.
@@AlcideIzMine guaranteed. But remember, the defense picked half of them too.
@@AlcideIzMine The accused has a right to a trial judged by his peers. Would an all black jury be fair?
The prosecutor (and judge and councilman and sheriff and mayor) weren't friends with the cop… _this time._ 🤷
@@johnk8048Where was it said that an all black jury would’ve been better? The issue was that there were no POC in the jury. In Texas, in a case about a murdered black woman, an all white jury could have even ended in a not guilty verdict if this case wasn’t as cut and dry.
Whoever hired that guy needs to go to jail too
They got many Bonus, and many promotions since then
Or fired and used as an example for the Nation, their face on all the news
This video makes me so angry, not because of the guy with the gun, but the negligence of the people who gave it to him. They just hire whoever and deal with the consequences later. Humanity is in such a pitiable state.
that tends to be a recurring trend in the american justice system. if you followed the parkland shooter case, you'll see how fucked it is. there's so many others but because of how tragic that was, it stands out. almost every possible red flag and warning were given to the teachers, parents, police, psychiatrists, psychologists, and FBI and NOTHING was done. everyone just went with it and decided to deal with the consequences, and well, they got their answer for being negligent.
Stop blaming these mistakes on Human error. This is European ignorance and lack of giving an actual F.
this video makes me angry because he only got 12 years for manslaughter when it was murder in the first degree.
@@motivatorsoftheheart0007 Europe ? you barely find something like this in Europe.
They just hire anyone because nobody in their right mind wants to be a cop nowadays because of all the hate, negative rhetoric, and being painted badly in the press.
They also aren’t given as much slack anymore.
How do people not realize that when you do this to police, it only hurts yourselves in the long run.
It equals less cops, more crime and emboldens criminals.
I hope people that hate cops are proud because they are going to see an enormous increase in crime of all kinds.
most crazy part about this is that the police did not just cover this up and sweep it under the rug.
It was to egregious to cover up.
The neighbor said the door was open for hours, and the cops though the burglary was in progress?
Do these genius detectives think burglars hang around for hours?
Well, I can see the concern because a person could be dead or hurt inside. But you are right. We're the burglars sitting around eating sandwiches or playing video games? Ridiculous
@@Tracey777 except, he didn’t say that his fear was that someone was dead. He said that he was under the impression that there was a burglary in process. The prosecutor didn’t make that up lol that was HIS defense.
Not detectives, deputies.
I leave my door open alot so my dog can go in and out .
Guess I need a welfare check
@Burger Pants calling the concerned neighbour and old pervert is fucking hilarious. Aim the hate at the police not the concerned old citizen.
Calling the police on someone these days is just attempted murder
You got that right it is why did the neighbor call and say the door was open I don't think he was really concerned it was none of his business but it's gotten to in the US that you can't open your door you cannot do anything this is not a free country anymore false 911 calls should be stopped and a way to stop them if someone calls 911 and I investigate and they was no reason for that person to call 911 they should be held accountable and people would stop doing it if they would get in trouble for it they would stop doing it
You no longer have to risk hiring a "hitman". Just call the police to do a welfare check or something.
@@andrewstoll4548 lol I've literally said the exact same thing.
The caller got what he wanted
@@montezuma6962 - the caller was concerned about the victim, - not complaining.
Someone calling the cops to a third party is like sending a hitman to a innocent person
Even sending them out of concern to protect them. 🤦
Happens.all.the.time.
Swatting
Code Enforcement
Dog Catcher
You name the agency, there’s always an adult neighbor somewhere, twisted enough to get officials to respond.
Everything was all good until the cops showed up
Right... Helping is good but honestly just... Mind your business
I’ve been nagged at a hundred times in my life for not calling the police. Two people fighting outside my store, “Quick, calluhlaw!!!” No thank you. They’re men. They chose to fight. Let ‘em fight.
No one has died so far.
Fortunately I’m not working in a town where that is common now.
He got off SO light and he believed he did nothing wrong. He genuinely thinks he did good, he killed an innocent person in their home for a nom-emergency call, and he thinks he did good..
Narcissism is the most dangerous thing. He failed a psychological evaluation, and he was still given a job at the department?? The defense team was arguing and wanted probation? How anyone can witness all of this happen with all of the evidence and argue to get probation for this monster to be loose is fucking insane.
12 years for a cold murder....
Yes he is a monster, but he still deserves a defense. John Adams defended the soldiers from the Boston Massacre
You can tell how excruciating it was for him to be sitting there getting grilled in absolute disbelief that he was not in control of the situation.
i thought he was purposely taking long to answer questions. seems like a solid strategy with the wife or some other social situation but not gonna work in court
That’s the definition of both defeat and embarrassment.
@@omegangel3368 I’m getting 2nd have embarrassment but it’s also great to watch
Indeed for someone used to giving orders to people he clearly hated it. When the prosecutor asked him how he'd score himself I thought "this guy is going to give himself a B" and he did lol.
He definitely shit the bed that day
Took more time to answer a question then it took him to take someone’s life in their own home.
THIS!!
It literally takes a second to end a life
Because he had to think....
Generally, cops don't think they react.
Than
@@thebodykeepsthescore2828 2005 wants its grammar nazi back.
12 yrs? Out in 4 Crazy. Shooting someone in their house. Sad so sad
Yeah, it is disgusting
Fl doesn’t have parole so idk bout that
I believe you can get early release probation in FL, parole no, probation yes. Although I don’t know what that reply has to do with this comment as this is in TX. 🤔
@@kansascitybob2430 my bad I thought it was lake worth not fort worth
@@jayedits2815 👍🤜🤛
I can't believe this guy took the stand. I mean how big can one's ego be to think that you'll be able to talk your way out of a murder caught on body cam?
That's what I was thinking. Dude barely can accept that he messed up at all, putting his ego on full display. I guess he thought he'd portray himself as a hero, but he came off as a psycho.
"I thought that was a rhetorical question."
He's a cop, he must be smarter than everyone else...
Someone should have told this murderer that its better to say nothing, and appear an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm it.
@@DaleKirkley his lawyer probably did tell him that or something similar.
Narcisist? Thats job requirement #1.
I don't know how much more narcissistic you can get than cracking jokes at your murder trial.
If you fail the psychological exam, you can always just apply to a different department. Saw some people on Reddit asking if they could retake the Psych exam. Scary that people like that exist.
"I did everything wrong, but I think I did a fine job."
I would have thought borderline personality disorder and psychopathy would be before narcissism
And just think, "We have cops like this all over this country, A poor woman lost her live over this 'May she rest in piece.
PEACE not piece.
There are times to point out spelling errors and times not to, This is not a time.
If you continue to lie to yourselves that yours is the land of the free. These things will continue to happen. Your police are demagogues, unaccountable power trippers.
@@urafuknkunt You mean Quotation marks?
@@gasservenw1369 👍🤣🤣🤣
And the Manuel Motta bs….how can a judge declare bonds be insufficient if he refuses to testify on a completely different case. That judge and the goons that took him into custody should be prosecuted asap.
@@jaronvaughn4520 that part of the video I didn’t understand. Who was Manuel Motta and where did he fit into it. He didn’t appear to know himself.
The prosecutor should have asked “If you did a ‘fine job’ that night, what the hell does a ‘bad job’ look like?”
B+ or A- work we didn’t murder dozens so it was a successful night.
Objection speculative
This story is incredible. I can’t believe an entire police department hired someone that failed his psych evaluation. This is insane!
Americans are tapped
Who are we kidding, today's police are just as likely to hire a psychopath as not. They don't actually protect or serve its citizens, only themselves.
That seems like Standard Operating Procedures
Every police department does. They want people like this
The people that hired him are insane remember they are just as narcissistic as he is.
There is absolutely nothing "RARE" in a narcissist taking the stand. They almost always make this mistake. They can't help themselves!
He's a cop. Calling him a "narcissist" is an insult to narcissists
The rare thing is that the prosecutor actually asked him those questions
Facts!
I thought you were talking about Trump.
Life in prison, he murdered her
They make potential cops take these psych tests because Dean is exactly the kind of police officer they’re looking for.
I think you're absolutely right. THey bring in a bunch of yes "men" and the older, experienced guys are forced out. It's what they want.
Fact's, it has came out now that if you score to high on the IQ test they tell you that you are over qualified. What does that tell you?!?
He probably shouldn't have resigned. They would have protected him if he was still a cop. They always do.
"Showed no emotion." That probably got him the job in the first place. Psycho.
100% the good guys get weeded out very quickly
After I left the military, I looked into law enforcement as a potential career. I even took and passed the written test, for my local sheriff's department. As I did more research, specifically on the academy. The more I changed my mind. There's a saying in the infantry. "Militaries make poor police forces. Police forces, make poor militaries". The current set up, and training of law enforcement is too similar to a military boot camp. The mindset should not be the same.
Exactly I like that saying also.. and good for you you have some type of morals and standards.
As a combat infantryman, I did the same. Furthermore, there is way too much corruption.
@poolenudel8453 haaaaaaa right
@Poole Nudel The MPs in the Army in late 60s-early 70s were mostly wanna-be super cops & had no problem hurting GIs.
I've said this for many years.. Its honestly good to hear from someone who was actually in the military and trained. Where ROE applies for you it wouldn't be near the same for them it's crazy..
12 years isn't enough. RIP to the victim
120 to each liemaker present.
Hopefully they run trains on him in prison. He will have a well wore out turd cutter.
It's a lot longer than you think. Try prison some time - time passes differently in there. _I would know._
I’m sure his notoriety will cause him to live a living hell in there
@@apex_prey So? They robbed their victim of decades more of their life. I don't care how time passes in there. It is completely irrelevant
When he applied to become a police officer he FAILED his PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATION!
Anyone that saw his psych eval and didn't immediately move to have him removed from the force should be sitting in jail right beside him.
I know of 5 officers who say Cpl Contreras with VIA is a bad example of their department. Yet his supervisors will back up his stupidity instead of disciplining him. Watch as he denies citizens the right to attend an open public meeting because his job is to keep people from going up the stairs.
czcams.com/video/RRta-hgsTY0/video.html
the 2nd eval by three other pyschs allowed him to be hired, it would be interesting to hear what they have to say
12 years for killing a person in their own home. Seems like the prosecution was more upset that he let his partner walk into potential danger, than the woman who was killed. 12 years was a slap in the face. If the shoe was on the other foot, and she shot a cop, she’d be facing the death penalty. It’s sad that nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to the blatant unfairness.
I absolutely agree with you about the horrifying double standard. I think the prosecutor was ensuring the defendant couldn't make the claim that he shot that woman out of fear for his and his partner's lives because he took *no other steps* to protect their safety. I can't begin to understand how or why he only got 12 years.
He murdered her so the punishment should fit the crime! 12 years in jail does not fit! Jail time is not good enough!
I think you know what happens to cops in jail be in 1 year or 12
AMEN to THAT!
@@jrpuffnstufas it should be. And he should have thought about that beforehand.
The only thing stupider than him is his lawyer who let him take the stand.
Self-defense is an affirmative defense meaning you have prove the elements of self-defense. Part of using the lethal self-defense defense requires you being in fear for your life and that will necessarily require some form of testimony from the person that committed the action. In a case like this the facts aren't in question this officer absolutely shot and killed this person but their culpability is going to be much different depending on circumstances and their state of mind.
His lawyer could've done it on purpose. They're getting paid probably don't care about defending this criminal
Totally agree
A lawyer cannot stop a defendant from testifying.
I'm not sure he even had a lawyer. 3/4 of the prosecutor's questions were speculative and the rest of the time the prosecutor was testifying. Not 1 objection!!!
I know a couple of law enforcement officers who NEVER drew their weapon in a 30 year career.
Were they on the verge of tears when they told you that?
@@bailmasterflex Actually they were pretty damn proud! It's called de-escalation! Some officers/deputies don't have a clue.
@@bailmasterflex🤡
Those are those “old heads” that operate differently than the much younger sociopaths we have today.
They must be real good police officers.
Wow. He murdered her and got 12 years but people do financial crimes and get life... Our system is sooooo flawed!
It's one system of justice for the rest of us and another completely different system of justice for the servants of the elites.
Calm down. He was convicted of manslaughter not murder, and sentenced to 12 years when the max could've been 20. Manslaughter implies some degree of reckless conduct that leads to a death. Apparently, the judge did not deem all of his actions completely reckless. You can always Google and read about these cases, but few people do. One stop shopping.
@@johnconway9882 The is no way imaginable that if I walked into someone's house let alone a black woman's house in 2020 and shot her that I would ever be given a mere 12 years for ending her life. The jury, judge, media and society would throw the book at me, bury the key to my cell for life, and burn the jail down around me.
If you somehow are deluding yourself into believing this sentence was fair and equitable compared to what anyone else not having worn a badge standing before a bought and paid corrupt judge who was sold out hook line and sinker to the special interests of the police you are beyond a fucking fool.
@@gregogrady8027 right.....satans defend satans!!
@@johnconway9882
You repeating what you read on Google doesn’t change the opinion. 🙄 The freaking point is he should have been convicted of 1st or 2nd degree murder and given a life sentence instead of manslaughter. The system is flawed and its obvious that the judge is perpetuating many of those flaws, instead of doing what’s right.
So again, it’s a shameful that people are given life sentences for lesser offenses & this person who should have never been a cop is given 12 yrs for taking someone’s life. Unlike you, people do have opinions outside of what “google” says you should think.
Respect to the prosecutor. Destroyed him. The silence was deafening. He was crazy to get on the stand. Total narcissist.
So many failures all along the line that brought him to that house though. All of his superiors that allowed him to work with those reports. And once again his fellow officers. Even though there are only these bad apples, his coworkers saw he was unstable and did nothing.
Yea he should have his resignation revoked and all superiors who didn't take actions should be fired.
Shouldn't the guy that called the police also be charged. Mind your own business.
@@KeweenawPatriotfor fukn what? He showed concern for his neighbor. He had zero control of the actions of the idiot cop they sent to check on her welfare. Mfker can't win for losing. Had he not called and the next day police showed up and reported at double homicide or something similar, mfkers would be hollering, "somebody had to see something. Why didn't anyone call or go check on the house with the door wide open."
@@KeweenawPatriot Isn't the phrase see something say something. Concern for a neighbor is admirable. How those responsible for investigating that concern act is the point. Why would you get prosecuted for looking out for your neighbor? I mean seriously, without indicators of anything wrong other that an open door with a car in the driveway. All they had to do was knock on the door an ask. No information was conveyed that would suggest this was an "armed burglary".
Look up " FBI paid Twitter to censor, spy on Americans: Tom Fitton "
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The lesson in this story is: Never call the cops unless you want people dead.
Yeah, WTF is up with her nosey assed "neighbor"...So her inside door is open, so what? If he's so concerned, why not walk across the street to check? Instead, he calls the assassination squad on the Non Emergency line? Something doesn't sound right; I bet he was beefing with her over her friends parking in front of his house, or how often she mowed her lawn, or some such nonsense. I have no doubt he was trying to jam her up by calling the Cops - this MF'er lives in Texas - he knows what time it is....
Fort Worth resident here. Thank you for covering. I watched the trial and throughout the whole thing I never saw him have any sadness or regret.
Before the psych Dr appearance I kept wondering how he can express nothing as to what he did, but when his psych. eval. called him out as narcissistic/grandiose control freak, it all made sense after that.
You can be 100% sure he’s not the only one. He’s being offered up as a sacrificial lamb to distract and protect the rest of the sociopaths.
@@sswwooppee Check out this Cop deny citizens entry into an open public meeting and say it is not his job to see if they are allowed to attend, it's only his job to arrest them if they go to the meeting. czcams.com/video/RRta-hgsTY0/video.html
Forth worrh resident here..I’m your neighbor
I retired as a career firefighter, and during my time of service, I conducted many wellness checks, some that are similar to this in many ways. I always went to the front entrance, and announced, "fire department" loudly many times, then slowly entered the house to check on the welfare. It is interesting that it never occurred to me that there could be a crime in progress. I guess, as a firefighter, I have a totally different mindset
Those police assume everyone is a criminal and there is crime everywhere. Funny thing is police commit a great deal of crimes themselves.
I've never in my 8 years of being a cop, ever heard of, or seen, a firefighter conduct a welfare check, as if there's absolutely any chance of an unknown crime or possible violent person interaction, they stage and wait for us to clear the scene. I've seen a crew of 5 guys wait because a 70 year old "threatened to go physical". That being said, I always, loudly, announce "SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT", and bang on the doors/windows. I've always been more afraid of getting shot by a homeowner, than to stumble on a burglary in progress. I have a higher chance to get shot by a homeowner than someone committing a burglary in my opinion.
That being said, I've also never heard of someone failing their psych test and still getting hired. That's pretty much a death sentence if you fail the psych test here in California, for every agency you will ever apply to.
@@Silidons91 Most cops aren't privy to that knowledge until they have 10 years of service.
@@someguywithnoplan6395 privy to what knowledge
@@Silidons91 we will tell you in two years
The whole department should be under review, they hired this tyrant a complete disaster
How many other officers are the force who also failed the psych exams. 😮he’s crying for himself. Not the lady he MURDERED.
This cop screams malignant Narcissist!. Don't know how to say I'm sorry. Admit he is wrong. Show's zero remorse!!.
The fact that this person was hired as a police officer is so incredibly absurd.
Police work attracts a disproportionate number of NPD. It's almost a qualification for the modern policing system that an officer easily rejects social norms and shrugs off failures of personal responsibility.
@@trevorodell5564 Narcissists are attracted to careers in the entertainment industry, including professional sports, politics, the medical field, and law enforcement. Those professions are socially high profile, garnering much public attention, and involve power and control, over the fate, or well being of others. This is a prime example of why interacting with the police, in almost any situation, can result in death, or serious bodily, or social harm to someone.
He snuck around behind a womans house all silent like then blew her away. Smh. Thats murder all day.
The line of questioning about "why didn't you tell anyone about the gun" is brilliant because it shows that he was either grossly negligent and put his partner in danger, or he actually never saw the gun until he was in the house and just fired his weapon with no regard.
Hey said he knew. There was a gun in the. House when he found it. He also said he did not. She her with a gun
Um, he shot her through the window at the back of the house when she opened the blind to look out.
@@meatpopsicle1567 _How BIG was that window, SKIPPY?_
The latter he never seen the gun
I know he never saw the gun and he just fired because he's a trigger happy lunatic, then used the gun as justification and counted himself lucky that he didn't have to plant something to create justification. The point is, the version of events he wants us to believe doesn't make him look any better. All it takes to expose truth is simple, honest questions.
"Narcissistic"
I would've thought that was a prerequisite for the hiring of any new cop.
"If you cannot cover all exits, you must call for back up."
"That verbiage isn't in there, it says if I cannot cover all exist, I must call for backup."
This cop is fucking insane.
Followed by "I think I did a fine job". Buddy you showed up to a welfare check unannounced, broke into the backyard, shot the person you were supposed to check on, didn't call out a weapon at any time upon entering the house, and failed to administer CPR. That's a 0 as far as I'm concerned.
He gave himself a B grade on this as well. It's absolutely insane. And worst of all whole country's police works by the same rule: "We investigated ourselves and found us innocent"
Him using the word "verbiage" was condescending and is very telling of what he thinks of police policies and procedures that he swore to uphold when he was hired.
ver·bi·age definition:
speech or writing that uses too many words or excessively technical expressions.
He gave himself a B because bad police work is the norm. He only fired 1 shot which is more efficient than the average mag dump.
Jup. Total narcissist move to play word games to try and "win" the conversation, no matter how ridiculous and stupid they sound.
How can anyone expect her not to get a gun and investigate when these people never identify themselves as policemen and are walking around at night with flashlights looking in her windows?
Exactly
Asking a Narcist to grade themselves is always a telling question. No matter how much they have failed they will not give themselves a bad grade.
@@helbock agreed
@@helbock political show trials don’t hold much weight
Always telling when a grandstander butchers the spelling 😂
@@smokinlion8889 It's more telling that you would point that out. I wonder if you understand the irony, given the context.
@@nodammit Awe someone doesn’t like grammar nazis…I wonder why…
The opening psych evaluation description sounds like a description of a majority of policemen, especially the narcissism.
The fort worth police dept. Needs to be held liable
Having worked with a lot of cops I would say most cops are narcissist. So you can imagine the level of narcissism this cop had if even the police psychologist thought his level of narcissism was too high.
Dark Triad Syndrome. A real psychopathy.
Is it surprising? What kind of person do you think is drawn to force/authority type of jobs like police/guard/soldier, kind, gentle, empathetic people? 🤷
It's nothing new. The portrayal of cops on film, radio shows and TV was so negative that their unions and chiefs were complaining and wanted shows that portrayed cops in a positive light. So we started to get shows like Dragnet and Highway Patrol back in the 1950s. Still, Hollywood would occasionally get away with portraying reality in movies like the Godfather, Bad Lieutenant, Training Day and Serpico.
The corruption and crimes of cops going back to the 19th century is horrifying when you take the time to look into it.
@@I.____.....__...__ There are only two types of people who want to become police officers (in my opinion).
1. Power hungry personalities.
2. Social personalities, do not often stay for a long time in the police force.
People who do not realize that they are in a moinority often stay for longer periods of time in the üpolice force.
Sounds like a cop out... law enforcement should be held to a higher standard then me an average joe... a ucc1 labor slave. But they are not so word them or not narcissistic isn't the right word.... pig I think fits best. Simple our rights our only valid if the judge doesn't have a relationship with the accused officer and or DA
He has that level of narcissism that even when the facts are lain in front of him as to why he did everything wrong before after and during the shot, he still thinks he did the job right. The blame goes to the police department for letting that psychopath have a gun and badge.
Seems like the family definitely has a case against the city and department on account of the failed psych eval.
The level of ineptitude by various police departments is the effect of the level of training that they receive.
Never call the police for a welfare check, never call the police for a mental health crisis. Unfortunately families still make the mistake of calling the police during mental health crisis. These few undesirable elements within the police, give the majority good cops bad names.
@@otionba77 I've worked in mental health for 20 years and have had to call the cops too many times to count. There are plenty of good cops most of them are pretty good. The problem lies in the system protecting the bad cops.
Amen brother
After watching these videos for literally years, I will never call law enforcement for anything, no matter what.
Lmao, i’ve watched tons of these videos. Most cops are fine. Only a few have been out of line.
Neither would I ever phone the police,yu wanna make things worse
Yeah you would.
NEVER invite the man into your life.
He should have gotten WAY MORE TIME than he did. ABSOLUTELY INSULTING FOR THE FAMILY! LIFE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE!
They knowingly hired a potential sociopath. How often does that happen in police departments in this country?
it happens everywhere
In France too.
Way too often.
Everytime
Too often ):
All police officers are psychopaths.
The fact that HIS mistake resulted in her death is disgraceful!!! 12 years is nothing compared to what her family has lost! 🤬
Murder is not a, "mistake" 🤮🤢😡
It was hardly a mistake. I would describe it as a life long dream of his
Also consider if the roles where reversed-She would’ve got life
I bet that neighbor regrets calling the pigs
Nah he doesn't
Yeah he does, he just got arrested for it, and wasn't Even told what was happening@@WarriorsCherub999
They better
They don’t, they live for that, it’s Karen’s that can’t mind their own business.
I mean, u guys are crazy for blaming the neighbor, he was obviously concerned as he should be.
The narcissistic turmoil is plainly visible on his face. It's so terrible that the lady was killed, when they could have just knocked on the door 😡🤬
And thats what was called for
Everyone is talking about "bad guys"
The initial call was about open structure
@@markseubert9779 exactly right, the front door was open and they could see in the house...
Exactly!!! Why the hell didn't he just say hello through the open door!!!!!
Could ask the same of the coward who called. It's your neighbor, go knock on the door and see what's up. If not then stay the fk out of it completely, don't call armed thugs because you think they are "authorities" on dealing with life.
@@eshootziscrs2868 And it turns out, Atatiana was just letting air circle in and out for a few minutes, thats why the outer door (blinds/insect protection) was still closed and just the inner door open
It’s weirdly surreal seeing a cop being held accountable to their actions/ crimes. Especially cause of deaths. It’s fd up they even have qualified immunity most times .
It’s just damage control. He’s the sacrificial lamb. The hope is pointing the figure at him will exonerate the rest of the maniacs employed in the department.
Yes, we are in need of legal reform...Cops, DA's, judges, prisons...................! They are a major part of why the US has the highest incareration rate in the World !
@@Rightrudder2 The 13th amendment of the constitution provides a literal slavery loophole. If that was struck down or rewritten without that loophole, it would do a lot.
@@sswwooppee Perhaps you are correct???? However, changing an amendment would take years....each State would have
an opportunity to vist any change....There is much to do in the legal system with swifter and positive results.
ie Controlling the budget, Citizens review of IA, Citizens control of daily operations etc...........
because the guy quit his job before the trial lol
The fact that after being thoroughly criticized and exposed about his bad work. It’s crazy that in the end he thinks he did a “fine job”, killing an innocent person.
Typical narc. They can burn toast, eat it, and think it was only delicious bc they made it... Now, if someone else made the toast, they'll be offended and take the burnt toast as sign of disrespect.
Narcs have a disease of the mind and ego, and it's becoming a pandemic.
I await citizens doing a fine job properly judging wrongful officers. It's not aiding and abetting a legal citizen if you're never caught - fair practices.
Yeah, gave himself a "B" as an overall grade!🙄🤦♀️🤬🤬
It goes hand in hand with his psych test.
@bluecapone that’s because this POS is a narcissist! Should never been hired because he failed his psychological evaluation.
Dude fails all his psychological exams and interviews,
Fort Worth Department: "he's a great candidate to be our Captain, we need a leader who can't think"
12 years for murder is insane. Literally anyone else would have been given life had they done the same.
must be good having a White Privileges
No biggy, he'll get hired by some other PD after he gets out.
Murder and man slaughter are not the same. While I also believe his sentence was too light.... I do not believe a regular citizen would have received a life sentence on the same man slaughter charge.
It's not murder. Murder has to be premeditated. This was caused by gross negligence and incompetence. Nobody is accusing him of going in with the intention of killing the victim. I just can't believe how little time between telling her to put her hands up and pulling the trigger there was. Do we even know if there was a gun? She was in her own home though. An innocent bystander really.
I am angered beyond words.
This innocent young woman’s life was stolen from her by a worthless SOB
I hope he gets real justice in prison
Cops either stay in protective custody (literally alone all day every day, which is hell) or they get put in GP and cut up by inmates.
I think isolation might be hell of a worse kind. Although he would be spending the time with his favorite person.
They hide him in a safe place. He ain't in danger in jail or prison.
@@riograul2043 He'll go into the protective unit with the sex offenders..
@@sueyourself5413 I feel like it's objectively worse to be in PC because it's basically unending and you're alone your entire sentence
Just remember, a pizza delivery is the best form of wellness check. No one gets killed and someone gets a pizza. 😆
I'm gonna spread this S tier wisdom around
That's actually pretty clever. Has anyone ever done this on record? For real, a wellness check should not be a gaggle of armed uniforms.
@TheElMuffin allegedly, along time ago after a hurricane, someone ordered a pizza for their grandparent(s) because they couldnt get a hold of then and emergency services were swamped
Good form ole boy!!
In addition to that, Domino's once ran a campaign that for each order placed, they'd fill a pothole and paint it with the logo, in efforts to fix the roads and make deliveries safer. They filled so many potholes during that campaign that people were scratching their heads as to why the government failed to do even half of the same quantity, while having infinitely more money to, during that time.
I could be wrong, but it seems like Pizza places do better governing than the US government
The chief of police should be fired for hiring this stopped person he is also responsible
Fact: it takes longer to get a Cosmetology certificate than it does to graduate from the Police Academy
The fact that when they asked him the question he smiled and said no problem, that should have been enough warning that this guy does not need to be a police officer
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They want psycho's like that against black innocent people.
@@Some_Guy6 they ain't all innocent lmao but ok buddy
And that's exactly why the psych evaluator failed him and also why they hired him. Funny how that works.
@@Some_Guy6
The person that decided to hire him should be held accountable to a certain degree as well.
Yes.
That would be the chief of police at the time of hiring. The chief has to approve all new hires.
You understand with the defund the police movement the good cops left so they have a limited higher pool. Example is Philly is waving so much due to needing cops so bad.
Absolutely
Damn right. It should be flat out ILLEGAL to hire someone who fails their psychological exam, no "judgement calls" allowed. And what is more, he should have been fired for the "non consensual" contact he was reported as having had with a woman. I suspect that is a euphemism for sexual assault.
12 years for murdering someone is ludicrously low especially with these circumstances.
12 years for a cop will feel like 24, if he makes it out alive
@@alleypez8555 he'll be kept segregated with a 1st class lifestyle would be my guess.
@@alleypez8555 he won't do 12 years. He'll do 6, tops, and he won't be in general population.
They entered a closed backyard, which is a 4th amendment violation, aka trespass, aka firing the weapon makes it criminal trespass with a firearm/weapon. Couldn't happen to a better person. Also, all the people in the HR should be on trial also for allowing this man to have done this as negligent and coconspirators in the murder.