Great video, thanks! I love PWB, against Reasoning you can also chain it to their reasoning, name the level of a monster they had on the field, mill their monster and also "counter" Reasoning
I disagree with #2 in that upstart allows you to be more consistent in setting up a control board. In a battle against a combo deck upstart can be the difference in seeing the right cards. Shrinking the deck backlog from 29-27 is pretty significant as is a 7% decrease in variance. Unless your deck is designed around dealing under 9000 for lethal or can lose card advantage like burn, Upstart is a boost in consistency that will win more games.
I think is about preference cuz if for example if I wanna see something to control the duel and I use normally 3 PWWB I'd rather play 3 PWWB + 1 Raigeki break instead of 3 PWWB and upstart. But in case u are against control decks and u play 3 Royal Decree then of course upstart is amazing at 2 looking for that copy of royal decree u already maxed out. I think it's conditional and depends on how do u play ur deck and more important what's ur playstyle. That's what's gr8 about goat format.
As someone who is partial to Blue-Eyes even in Goat Format, Upstart definitely depends on the deck. In my case, I don't care about giving my opponent an extra 1K or 2K LP if I can drop three colossal dragons that each have 3000ATK. Follow it up with a bit of protection and it's GG after just another turn or two. So yeah, Upstart does depend on the deck.
player A: 2300 LP 2 cards in hand player B: 1700 LP thunder dragon + upstart goblin Player B: activates upstart goblin, draws tomato, activate TD, attacks with tomato pass Player A: 2300 + 1000 = 3300 - 1400 = 1900 LP Player A: Draws DD warrior lady. Activates otherwise dead delinquent duo, activates otherwise dead premature targetting DDW lady. Summons the newly drew Breaker attack for game. LP is a huge resource, people in my city play upstart in control decks cuz they saw it been played in reasoning gate turbo at locals in a bigger city haha
Would actually be great. From what I gather it comes down to a few points PWWB: doesn’t put monsters in grave for chaos, forces opponent to “not drAw”. Sometimes just puts the threat back on the deck and delays only for a turn RB: gets rid of threat fairly permanently, better against s/t, there are many anti-destroy cards
Another big one: using Graceful Charity when you don't at least have Sinister Serpent. Remember, the format is all about card advantage and patience; Grace without Serpent is a net neutral. In my Chaos Turbo deck I don't play Charity until I have Serpent and either a copy of Thunder Dragon or Night Assailant.
Not just Sinister Serpent. Using Charity when you don't have 2 cards you want to pitch or don't need to dig for better cards is wasting charity's potential. Players usually fire Duo right away so if you hold Sinister Serpent longer you play around duo. And if you have Serpent but don't want to discard any other card holding charity is better.
@Kendrick Lamar I know the pain lol your opponent always seems to get the eff off constantly, while you never seem to get lucky 😞 Still, it's much better to get Blowback off Reasoning/Gate then say Airknight imo as they'll both get battle trapped. At least with Blowback, can potentially pop said cards.
Lowkey using these videos to help me in my group's prog. I've been in dead last, but i'm not out of the running. I won ancient sanctuary with the lessons from here.
I disagree with your views on upstart goblin. Only very few gave the card a chance (Ghostrider15 and a couple of others) because of the whole lifepoints argument and now it's being played in many players Chaos decks.
You sound like a good player, so I want to ask for your advice. I've been playing a lot of Recruiter Zombies in the past year (3 Rat, 3 Turtle, 2 Swap, 2 Skill Drain etc.). I'm on-and-off about BLS; it's the best monster in the format, but I only play 1 Light naturally (D.D. Warrior Lady) because MoF does not fit the beatdown gameplan, so I'd have to make suboptimal choices in other monsters to facilitate it (2 slots are Regenerating Mummies right now, so these can be freed up technically). I also have 1 free trap slot. Right now I am running 1 RB because I wanted a discard outlet, something chainable and removal in 1 card; you mentioned PWWB and in Chaos I absolutely prefer that, but since I need to get monsters into the opponent's GY for BoL I'm really on the fence about it. In a vacuum, PWWB is way better, but I'm not too sure about it with the specifics of my deck. Also, right now I'm siding 1 Injection Fairy Lily for going 2nd vs. Chaos and Aggro (side plan going 2nd is Skill Drain and the Solemns I play to protect it out and more aggro stuff in), do you think Cipher Soldier would be the better card for that use? Sorry for extremely long question(s).
@@erisesoteric7571 1x call of the mummy if you play vanpire lord or ryu kokki or even despair from the dark. For other tributes (one of each) soul exchange, snatch steal and brain control are a must have. The thing is you cant have all in you main deck, you have to try it a couple of times and put some in the side deck for some special occasions. (Raigeki breaker, jar of greed, mystic swordsman lv 2, kycoo...)
@@erisesoteric7571 I have personally found running more cards that discard helps with de-bricking zombie hands. Especially if you opt into running Thunder Dragons. I've been playing Back to Square One quite a bit and have found great success with it.
I think the problem with sangan is just that it is not that great of a card vs CT. Because it cant deal (well) with any of their flips and they can basicly ignore it and it clogs up your field and your BK doesnt get its eff of
The only downside that Sangan has vs Skilled Dark Magician against a set monster is that it can't kill a set Dekoichi. However, it does attack into a set Night Assailant quite profitably. It does so without having to worry about Raigeki Break, Snatch Steal, Sakuretsu Armor, and so on. It also plays well with Torrential Tribute, which warriors typically maindeck. It allows you to add a second attacker to your board while not having to worry about your opponent's mass removal. And when it dies, it searches Mystic Swordsman LV2, which is actually the best monster vs a bunch of flip effects. A card doesn't have to be good in 100% of situations to be worth playing.
yeah, thats a fair statement. I think compared to SDM they are equally not impressive vs CT. SDM has the upside to pressure a bit more and to kill kycoo´s/ kinetic soldiers that some people still play vs warriors. Sangan has the "spell/ trap protection" thing. Both dont really help you win games I´d say.
Both are the best cards against that deck, but the comparision with Roar so popular in side deck especially against reasoning Is correct with kuriboh, i would play both probably =P
It's actually an equal if you discard SS. you have 6 cards and set PWWB. your opponent goes and has 6 cards for turn 2 and summons a blade knight and attacks. You play PWWB sending it to the top of deck discarding SS. You have 4 cards opponent has 5. Next turn you draw and add SS back to hand giving you 6 cards. You went first so you will have a +1 in card advantage every time it's your turn. This means it's equal in terms of card advantage. It can be a +1 in cases where your opponent uses blind MST on your PWWB and you chain it to target sangan discarding SS. In this case your opponent lost 2 cards for the price of your 1
Another mistake: Not playing snatch in aggro decks. The justification behind this is Snatch is easy to destroy, relinquishing control of the stolen monster back to its owner. So players argue snatch is only worth it if you can flip the monster face down or tribute it. However, any monster that's a worthy snatch target will have high attack or a good effect or both, so you are getting value out of it no matter what. Plus, Chaos decks are rampant in today's meta and snatch is the best out to Chaos Sorcerer behind smashing ground.
I explained it in the video. It's not a minus in the literal sense, but allowing your opponent live for extra turns results in them seeing extra cards. Playing a card that gives your opponent more cards is a minus. Sometimes Upstart Goblin does not result in your opponent living longer, but many times it does.
I wanted to disagree just for the drama but all the arguments makes sense. I'll still drop some controversial opinion : - BLS is overrated in goat control. Forces you to play bad light monster. Goat control can be built way better without all those light (merchant,parshath,asura..). More versatile. better suited to the meta. Goat control is supposed to have access to everthing and being a swiss army knife. You can't be that if you're forced to play 6 bad light cards. If you're afraid of the drop in CA just play swap. - Brain control is a good card especially if you play tribute or/and swap. Nice combo and right now it's never dead. It deal with chaos monster and is very good in the endgame to make OTK. I see good player playing magic cylinder. brain control is way better any day of the week. - You should main deck mind control and side it game 2 and 3. Everybody see mind control coming game 2 and 3. But never game 1. - Finally don't care what you're on. Injection fairy lily is the nuts. Stop sleepping on the nurse.
@@darkstarmkv In goat control it is man. It warp the whole deck you're forced to play bad card because of it. A lot of them where instead of chaos you could be a swiss army knife with all attributes monster. Secondly you're not turbo BLS will be a liability in the first turns a dead card in hand, you're not able to assure light and dark quickly enough. Anyway try a version without you'll see it's really fine.
I think Chaos sorcerer is overrated, People forget that Cyber Dragon was the reason chaos sorcerer was truly great.. Cyber dragon x3 zaborg x3 was 6 light monsters and a very powerful engine. Especially with Treeborn frog potentially making zaborg a free summon into a +1. BLS on the other hand can be played with minimal niche light cards and still do ok. Just play DD and triple faith and you are fine. Especially with apprentice engine which can act as a layer of protection against nobleman. Getting faith nobled in this scenario sucks but it only bricks 1 card instead of 3
Depends. If you want to side in a monster, Zombrya the Dark and Berserk Gorilla can be good options. If you play Mystic Tomato, then Newdoria works great as well.
Zombyra is probably the best option yeah, thank you. I kinda agree with your opinion about raigeki break and PWWB but why does then almost everyone play break instead of PWWB, even the best players?
In Next Level Magic, MTG hall of famer Patrick Chapin talks about "information cascades" as an explanation for why suboptimal choices can take hold in the meta. For more, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade A good example of this comes up in my interview with Slashtap. He was super honest about it and simply said, "Testing PWWB wasn't worth my time." So he just played the tried and true Raigeki Break. See: czcams.com/video/jNLc4hWXtNc/video.html
Thank you very much for fast replies, I’m still convinced that both cards do pretty much the same in most cases, but each of them is better in some situations in which the other sucks.
4# Sangan in warrior is okay i dont feel it's bad to play or not play it. 3# Is there people not playing Torrential??? Game changer card... #2 So true i won plenty matches when we both were on low LP and opponent drew Upstart oh thanks now i'm not in a tight spot anymore. #1 Those cards are so situational i played both and there are always situations i wish i had the other one so i'm not convinced any of em. Just few examples: opponent has BLS and i can chain Raigeki Break and get rid of it but had PWWB and i have to face it next turn again cuz has enough L/D, or i'm dying and i put back s/t on top redrew Ring of Dest and die. But yea on the other hand they summon a Parsath i use Raigeki Break to kill it then Call it back and still take everything or destryoing a face down Sinister Serpent from penty matches i don't feel any of them better or worse.
8:45 yeah but bro, it's all about that giant trunade. They can hope they have a 2nd one next turn or they can hope you don't kill their board. Kuriboh doesn't fix any of those things. Not saying that I'm a fan of roar but the only time I can imagine you rather play Kuriboh is when you play the tomato engine and you can search one card off sangan before you get attacked for game.
Threatening Roar doesn't force your opponent to commit any resources; Kuriboh does. Threatening Roar JUST buys you a turn; Kuriboh wins you the game if you have any kind of reasonable followup. As someone who's been on both sides of the interaction dozens of times, the difference is night and day.
@@GoatDuels well actually it does because you force him to spend giant trunade to prevent mirror force, but if you chain roar to that you both go -1 but you prevent him from going for game with your move. And then you have 1 more turn to break the board or build a better defence.
@@GoatDuels roar also wins you the game if you have any kind of reasonable followup, I really don't see the argument for using Kuriboh over roar exapt for decree/jinzo.
@@lonerforlife7680 No, Roar doesn't win you the game because your opponent hasn't overextended. They just pass turn and kill you on their following turn. This is the reason that the vast majority of top decklists don't side Roar anymore.
Allencpennington I made this old goat deck. Can you tell me what you think? P.s It's suppose to be Yugi's deck. I think it closely resembles his deck. Beaver Warrior X1 Berfomet X1 Big Shield Gardna X1 Black Luster Ritual X1 Black Luster Soldier X1 Black Magic Ritual X1 Brain Control X1 Buster Blader X1 Catapult Turtle X1 Celtic Guardian X1 Curse Of Dragon X1 Dark Burning Magic X1 Dark Hole X1 Dark Magic Attack X1 Dark Magic Curtain X1 Dark Magician X1 Dark Magician Girl X1 Feral Imp X1 Gaia The Fierce Knight X1 Gazelle The King Of Mythical Beasts X1 Giant Soldier Of Stone X1 Griffore X1 Horn Of The Unicorn X1 Magic Cylinder X1 Magical Dimension X1 Kuriboh X1 Magician Of Black Chaos X1 Mirror Force X1 Monster Reborn X1 Mystical Box X1 Neo The Magic Swordsman X1 Mystical Elf X1 Mystical Space Typhoon X1 Polymerization X1 Shift X1 Spellbinding Circle X1 Summoned Skull X1 Swords Of Revealing Light X1 Thousand Knives X1 Winged Dragon, Guardian Of The Fortress #1 X1 Extra Deck; 2 Chimera The Flying Mythical Beast X1 Gaia The Dragon Champion X1 13 Normal Monsters 6 Effect Monsters 2 Fusion Monster 2 Ritual Monsters 15 Spell Cards 4 Trap Cards
lol i feel like ur taking shots at me acp. first of all, i felt like kris..playing the same corny decks and witness them winning over and over again so instead of just being boring I decided to try and innovate more busted plays for the deck. as i hear you speak throughout your videos, im beginning to think that youre bad and you got lucky in your gfc tournament win...torrential is bad in chaos to me because i dont wanna lose my monsters over a stupid ter or other bullshit card that just wipes away my advantage. its only good if i dont have a strong board and if my board not strong then theres something wrong with the deck. now ur shitting on cards like raigeki break and upstarts. i already told the WORLD why they should play raigeki or wing blast and ur definitely brain washing them to be bad players and i dont like that. my boy ghost rider started the whole upstart/solemn engine and imo ifs the best thing for chaos for protection and speed (playing a 38) card deck. but hey, what do i know? im just a lonely GFC champion and i clearly build bad decks. however, i wanna issue a challenge to end you forever. play me for $500 dollars and you can play any deck you want because i remember you complaining and whining about me banning decks and now i just want to end your career. let me know big boy.
^Imagine feeling this offended over a video discussing which Yugioh trading cards are better than other Yugioh trading cards. I have literally been trying to accept your money match requests for over 3 years, and you always try to add a bunch of stimulations and back out. If you ACTUALLY want to play a 2/3 match of Goat Format for $500, I have been ready for years now.
On a more positive note, I do want to thank you for obsessively sharing this video so much on social media. I always appreciate it when I gain a new audience.
@@GoatDuels oh no problem acp since i am more popular, respected and better than youll ever be. get the middle man and lets stream this. its time to end this quarrel me and you had for years boy.
There is no beef here. I couldn't care less which particular Yugioh cards are in your deck, which events you have won, or what you think of the Yugioh cards in my deck and the events that I have won. I'm just here to play the game that I enjoy and help others do the same. I am willing to accept any reasonable neutral party is as a middleman. And I will play you in as many $500 matches as you want. Same goes to anyone else.
Great video, thanks! I love PWB, against Reasoning you can also chain it to their reasoning, name the level of a monster they had on the field, mill their monster and also "counter" Reasoning
that's dirty lol
bottomless trap hole is the best card against reasoning gate ,you call 6 for jinzo and everything else just dies
but still might add pog or graceful
This list might as well be "Allencpennington's 8 card preference that some players are not doing"
I love legendary jujitsu master while playing Phoenix wing wind blast. So awesome to super stack their deck.
You're evil 😈
and i love u bc u love jujitsu master
I disagree with #2 in that upstart allows you to be more consistent in setting up a control board. In a battle against a combo deck upstart can be the difference in seeing the right cards. Shrinking the deck backlog from 29-27 is pretty significant as is a 7% decrease in variance. Unless your deck is designed around dealing under 9000 for lethal or can lose card advantage like burn, Upstart is a boost in consistency that will win more games.
I think is about preference cuz if for example if I wanna see something to control the duel and I use normally 3 PWWB I'd rather play 3 PWWB + 1 Raigeki break instead of 3 PWWB and upstart. But in case u are against control decks and u play 3 Royal Decree then of course upstart is amazing at 2 looking for that copy of royal decree u already maxed out. I think it's conditional and depends on how do u play ur deck and more important what's ur playstyle. That's what's gr8 about goat format.
As someone who is partial to Blue-Eyes even in Goat Format, Upstart definitely depends on the deck. In my case, I don't care about giving my opponent an extra 1K or 2K LP if I can drop three colossal dragons that each have 3000ATK. Follow it up with a bit of protection and it's GG after just another turn or two. So yeah, Upstart does depend on the deck.
player A: 2300 LP 2 cards in hand
player B: 1700 LP thunder dragon + upstart goblin
Player B: activates upstart goblin, draws tomato, activate TD, attacks with tomato pass
Player A: 2300 + 1000 = 3300 - 1400 = 1900 LP
Player A: Draws DD warrior lady. Activates otherwise dead delinquent duo, activates otherwise dead premature targetting DDW lady. Summons the newly drew Breaker attack for game.
LP is a huge resource, people in my city play upstart in control decks cuz they saw it been played in reasoning gate turbo at locals in a bigger city haha
Please make that 30min vid on PWWB vs RB xD
Would actually be great. From what I gather it comes down to a few points
PWWB: doesn’t put monsters in grave for chaos, forces opponent to “not drAw”. Sometimes just puts the threat back on the deck and delays only for a turn
RB: gets rid of threat fairly permanently, better against s/t, there are many anti-destroy cards
@@wh3elson in Chaos Turbo I find PWWB the better card, just don't use it on Breaker and Snatch.
Another big one: using Graceful Charity when you don't at least have Sinister Serpent. Remember, the format is all about card advantage and patience; Grace without Serpent is a net neutral.
In my Chaos Turbo deck I don't play Charity until I have Serpent and either a copy of Thunder Dragon or Night Assailant.
another one playing pot of greed - charity before resolving a tomato hahaha
Not just Sinister Serpent. Using Charity when you don't have 2 cards you want to pitch or don't need to dig for better cards is wasting charity's potential. Players usually fire Duo right away so if you hold Sinister Serpent longer you play around duo. And if you have Serpent but don't want to discard any other card holding charity is better.
Back in my school days, I mystic tomato -> dark mimic level 1 -> dark mimic level 3 -> creature swap.
Well you can play the misprint version of kinetic soldier and try to trick your opponent when playing chaos ;) lol
i literally put mystic tomato into my mime deck and immediately this video gets recommended wtf
blowback dragon is cool until you miss 3 effs in a row :)
Forces Activations tho
@Kendrick Lamar
I know the pain lol your opponent always seems to get the eff off constantly, while you never seem to get lucky 😞
Still, it's much better to get Blowback off Reasoning/Gate then say Airknight imo as they'll both get battle trapped. At least with Blowback, can potentially pop said cards.
@Kendrick Lamar gang signs out the window ya bish
Lowkey using these videos to help me in my group's prog.
I've been in dead last, but i'm not out of the running.
I won ancient sanctuary with the lessons from here.
And soul of the duelist
In chaos decks I almost always play kuriboh and veiler
I disagree with your views on upstart goblin. Only very few gave the card a chance (Ghostrider15 and a couple of others) because of the whole lifepoints argument and now it's being played in many players Chaos decks.
The only point of life that matters is the last.
Raigeki can deal with mof and recruiter, wing blast doesnt eliminate the treath
You sound like a good player, so I want to ask for your advice.
I've been playing a lot of Recruiter Zombies in the past year (3 Rat, 3 Turtle, 2 Swap, 2 Skill Drain etc.). I'm on-and-off about BLS; it's the best monster in the format, but I only play 1 Light naturally (D.D. Warrior Lady) because MoF does not fit the beatdown gameplan, so I'd have to make suboptimal choices in other monsters to facilitate it (2 slots are Regenerating Mummies right now, so these can be freed up technically).
I also have 1 free trap slot. Right now I am running 1 RB because I wanted a discard outlet, something chainable and removal in 1 card; you mentioned PWWB and in Chaos I absolutely prefer that, but since I need to get monsters into the opponent's GY for BoL I'm really on the fence about it. In a vacuum, PWWB is way better, but I'm not too sure about it with the specifics of my deck.
Also, right now I'm siding 1 Injection Fairy Lily for going 2nd vs. Chaos and Aggro (side plan going 2nd is Skill Drain and the Solemns I play to protect it out and more aggro stuff in), do you think Cipher Soldier would be the better card for that use?
Sorry for extremely long question(s).
Thunder dragon if you want BLS
@@appeljuicesurf And to brick with the 3-4 tributes you already play naturally in Zombies?
@@erisesoteric7571 1x call of the mummy if you play vanpire lord or ryu kokki or even despair from the dark.
For other tributes (one of each) soul exchange, snatch steal and brain control are a must have.
The thing is you cant have all in you main deck, you have to try it a couple of times and put some in the side deck for some special occasions. (Raigeki breaker, jar of greed, mystic swordsman lv 2, kycoo...)
@@erisesoteric7571 I have personally found running more cards that discard helps with de-bricking zombie hands. Especially if you opt into running Thunder Dragons. I've been playing Back to Square One quite a bit and have found great success with it.
I think the problem with sangan is just that it is not that great of a card vs CT. Because it cant deal (well) with any of their flips and they can basicly ignore it and it clogs up your field and your BK doesnt get its eff of
The only downside that Sangan has vs Skilled Dark Magician against a set monster is that it can't kill a set Dekoichi. However, it does attack into a set Night Assailant quite profitably. It does so without having to worry about Raigeki Break, Snatch Steal, Sakuretsu Armor, and so on. It also plays well with Torrential Tribute, which warriors typically maindeck. It allows you to add a second attacker to your board while not having to worry about your opponent's mass removal. And when it dies, it searches Mystic Swordsman LV2, which is actually the best monster vs a bunch of flip effects. A card doesn't have to be good in 100% of situations to be worth playing.
yeah, thats a fair statement. I think compared to SDM they are equally not impressive vs CT. SDM has the upside to pressure a bit more and to kill kycoo´s/ kinetic soldiers that some people still play vs warriors. Sangan has the "spell/ trap protection" thing. Both dont really help you win games I´d say.
I'd much rather side jowgen over kuriboh vs gate, but interesting idea
Both are the best cards against that deck, but the comparision with Roar so popular in side deck especially against reasoning Is correct with kuriboh, i would play both probably =P
How many kuribohs do you recommend to side in against Reasoning gate ?
1 or 2 is enough
What you didnt mention about wind blast is, your opponent also goes -1 because he isnt allowed to draw a new card next turn.
It's actually an equal if you discard SS.
you have 6 cards and set PWWB. your opponent goes and has 6 cards for turn 2 and summons a blade knight and attacks. You play PWWB sending it to the top of deck discarding SS. You have 4 cards opponent has 5. Next turn you draw and add SS back to hand giving you 6 cards. You went first so you will have a +1 in card advantage every time it's your turn. This means it's equal in terms of card advantage.
It can be a +1 in cases where your opponent uses blind MST on your PWWB and you chain it to target sangan discarding SS. In this case your opponent lost 2 cards for the price of your 1
0:20 looking at you, Nyhmnim
Nother thing about Torrential, you can always just side it out!
have you ever tested archfiend summoned skull?
50% targeting protection is really meh passive protection. King Dragun does it better.
Horus LV6 is also very good in reasoning gate
Another mistake: Not playing snatch in aggro decks. The justification behind this is Snatch is easy to destroy, relinquishing control of the stolen monster back to its owner. So players argue snatch is only worth it if you can flip the monster face down or tribute it. However, any monster that's a worthy snatch target will have high attack or a good effect or both, so you are getting value out of it no matter what. Plus, Chaos decks are rampant in today's meta and snatch is the best out to Chaos Sorcerer behind smashing ground.
Love this type of content
How the fuck is upstart a -1 u activate it and draw -1 - +1 = 0 (neutral) it doesn’t = -1 (neg)
I explained it in the video. It's not a minus in the literal sense, but allowing your opponent live for extra turns results in them seeing extra cards. Playing a card that gives your opponent more cards is a minus. Sometimes Upstart Goblin does not result in your opponent living longer, but many times it does.
Opponent: upstart gob.
Me at 750 after solemning thrice, holding premature with dmoc in grave. GG 950 lp baby!
Your argument for wing blast over raigeki break is really bad.
Exactly how is that? Made perfect logical competitive sense. You just have to play against more decks.
I wanted to disagree just for the drama but all the arguments makes sense.
I'll still drop some controversial opinion :
- BLS is overrated in goat control. Forces you to play bad light monster. Goat control can be built way better without all those light (merchant,parshath,asura..). More versatile. better suited to the meta. Goat control is supposed to have access to everthing and being a swiss army knife. You can't be that if you're forced to play 6 bad light cards. If you're afraid of the drop in CA just play swap.
- Brain control is a good card especially if you play tribute or/and swap. Nice combo and right now it's never dead. It deal with chaos monster and is very good in the endgame to make OTK. I see good player playing magic cylinder. brain control is way better any day of the week.
- You should main deck mind control and side it game 2 and 3. Everybody see mind control coming game 2 and 3. But never game 1.
- Finally don't care what you're on. Injection fairy lily is the nuts. Stop sleepping on the nurse.
Bruh I wanna know what goat format players your playing where BLS is overrated
@@darkstarmkv In goat control it is man. It warp the whole deck you're forced to play bad card because of it. A lot of them where instead of chaos you could be a swiss army knife with all attributes monster. Secondly you're not turbo BLS will be a liability in the first turns a dead card in hand, you're not able to assure light and dark quickly enough. Anyway try a version without you'll see it's really fine.
I think Chaos sorcerer is overrated, People forget that Cyber Dragon was the reason chaos sorcerer was truly great.. Cyber dragon x3 zaborg x3 was 6 light monsters and a very powerful engine. Especially with Treeborn frog potentially making zaborg a free summon into a +1.
BLS on the other hand can be played with minimal niche light cards and still do ok. Just play DD and triple faith and you are fine. Especially with apprentice engine which can act as a layer of protection against nobleman. Getting faith nobled in this scenario sucks but it only bricks 1 card instead of 3
I’m doing N5 but I’m totally aware of all it’s flaws. May I ask you what are better options then to side against in chaos?
Depends. If you want to side in a monster, Zombrya the Dark and Berserk Gorilla can be good options. If you play Mystic Tomato, then Newdoria works great as well.
Zombyra is probably the best option yeah, thank you. I kinda agree with your opinion about raigeki break and PWWB but why does then almost everyone play break instead of PWWB, even the best players?
In Next Level Magic, MTG hall of famer Patrick Chapin talks about "information cascades" as an explanation for why suboptimal choices can take hold in the meta. For more, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_cascade
A good example of this comes up in my interview with Slashtap. He was super honest about it and simply said, "Testing PWWB wasn't worth my time." So he just played the tried and true Raigeki Break. See: czcams.com/video/jNLc4hWXtNc/video.html
Thank you very much for fast replies, I’m still convinced that both cards do pretty much the same in most cases, but each of them is better in some situations in which the other sucks.
4# Sangan in warrior is okay i dont feel it's bad to play or not play it. 3# Is there people not playing Torrential??? Game changer card... #2 So true i won plenty matches when we both were on low LP and opponent drew Upstart oh thanks now i'm not in a tight spot anymore. #1 Those cards are so situational i played both and there are always situations i wish i had the other one so i'm not convinced any of em. Just few examples: opponent has BLS and i can chain Raigeki Break and get rid of it but had PWWB and i have to face it next turn again cuz has enough L/D, or i'm dying and i put back s/t on top redrew Ring of Dest and die. But yea on the other hand they summon a Parsath i use Raigeki Break to kill it then Call it back and still take everything or destryoing a face down Sinister Serpent from penty matches i don't feel any of them better or worse.
Meh on the kuriboh
aaaaand... 2x play speed.
8:45 yeah but bro, it's all about that giant trunade.
They can hope they have a 2nd one next turn or they can hope you don't kill their board.
Kuriboh doesn't fix any of those things.
Not saying that I'm a fan of roar but the only time I can imagine you rather play Kuriboh is when you play the tomato engine and you can search one card off sangan before you get attacked for game.
Well okey yeah, Jinzo/decree are reasons to not play roar.
Not something like "they can still otk you next turn"
Threatening Roar doesn't force your opponent to commit any resources; Kuriboh does. Threatening Roar JUST buys you a turn; Kuriboh wins you the game if you have any kind of reasonable followup. As someone who's been on both sides of the interaction dozens of times, the difference is night and day.
@@GoatDuels well actually it does because you force him to spend giant trunade to prevent mirror force, but if you chain roar to that you both go -1 but you prevent him from going for game with your move.
And then you have 1 more turn to break the board or build a better defence.
@@GoatDuels roar also wins you the game if you have any kind of reasonable followup, I really don't see the argument for using Kuriboh over roar exapt for decree/jinzo.
@@lonerforlife7680 No, Roar doesn't win you the game because your opponent hasn't overextended. They just pass turn and kill you on their following turn. This is the reason that the vast majority of top decklists don't side Roar anymore.
This fucking game has gotten to a point where Kuriboh is considered "good", and I don't know how to deal with that fact.
People forget that Kuriboh was literally a sidedeck staple only a year after Goat Format.
Kuriboh has always been good noob.
Allencpennington
I made this old goat deck. Can you tell me what you think?
P.s It's suppose to be Yugi's deck. I think it closely resembles his deck.
Beaver Warrior X1
Berfomet X1
Big Shield Gardna X1
Black Luster Ritual X1
Black Luster Soldier X1
Black Magic Ritual X1
Brain Control X1
Buster Blader X1
Catapult Turtle X1
Celtic Guardian X1
Curse Of Dragon X1
Dark Burning Magic X1
Dark Hole X1
Dark Magic Attack X1
Dark Magic Curtain X1
Dark Magician X1
Dark Magician Girl X1
Feral Imp X1
Gaia The Fierce Knight X1
Gazelle The King Of Mythical Beasts X1
Giant Soldier Of Stone X1
Griffore X1
Horn Of The Unicorn X1
Magic Cylinder X1
Magical Dimension X1
Kuriboh X1
Magician Of Black Chaos X1
Mirror Force X1
Monster Reborn X1
Mystical Box X1
Neo The Magic Swordsman X1
Mystical Elf X1
Mystical Space Typhoon X1
Polymerization X1
Shift X1
Spellbinding Circle X1
Summoned Skull X1
Swords Of Revealing Light X1
Thousand Knives X1
Winged Dragon, Guardian Of The Fortress #1 X1
Extra Deck; 2
Chimera The Flying Mythical Beast X1
Gaia The Dragon Champion X1
13 Normal Monsters
6 Effect Monsters
2 Fusion Monster
2 Ritual Monsters
15 Spell Cards
4 Trap Cards
Rate: 2/10
Salve mestre dos magos aqui estou sempre vou amar o GOAT format we're togethe. ✌🇧🇷💜😍
lol i feel like ur taking shots at me acp. first of all, i felt like kris..playing the same corny decks and witness them winning over and over again so instead of just being boring I decided to try and innovate more busted plays for the deck. as i hear you speak throughout your videos, im beginning to think that youre bad and you got lucky in your gfc tournament win...torrential is bad in chaos to me because i dont wanna lose my monsters over a stupid ter or other bullshit card that just wipes away my advantage. its only good if i dont have a strong board and if my board not strong then theres something wrong with the deck.
now ur shitting on cards like raigeki break and upstarts. i already told the WORLD why they should play raigeki or wing blast and ur definitely brain washing them to be bad players and i dont like that. my boy ghost rider started the whole upstart/solemn engine and imo ifs the best thing for chaos for protection and speed (playing a 38) card deck.
but hey, what do i know? im just a lonely GFC champion and i clearly build bad decks. however, i wanna issue a challenge to end you forever. play me for $500 dollars and you can play any deck you want because i remember you complaining and whining about me banning decks and now i just want to end your career. let me know big boy.
^Imagine feeling this offended over a video discussing which Yugioh trading cards are better than other Yugioh trading cards.
I have literally been trying to accept your money match requests for over 3 years, and you always try to add a bunch of stimulations and back out. If you ACTUALLY want to play a 2/3 match of Goat Format for $500, I have been ready for years now.
On a more positive note, I do want to thank you for obsessively sharing this video so much on social media. I always appreciate it when I gain a new audience.
@@GoatDuels oh no problem acp since i am more popular, respected and better than youll ever be. get the middle man and lets stream this. its time to end this quarrel me and you had for years boy.
There is no beef here. I couldn't care less which particular Yugioh cards are in your deck, which events you have won, or what you think of the Yugioh cards in my deck and the events that I have won. I'm just here to play the game that I enjoy and help others do the same.
I am willing to accept any reasonable neutral party is as a middleman. And I will play you in as many $500 matches as you want. Same goes to anyone else.
@@GoatDuels I'll stream this shit