HP t5730 Thin Client with upgradable CPU for cheap Retro Gaming
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It's fun to see a low cost business machine get a purpose it was never designed for. The idea of these in LAN is awesome.
Retrogaming LAN Party!
It has a better GPU than the Mac mini from the same era.
I think it would be cheaper to buy a used HP with a I5 grabbing a 2gb ddr 3 gpu and 16gb ram for like 100 canadian new case 40 - 60 for a mini itx new mother if your going that route for 80 so for the price of 220 - 40 you can run anything up to playstation 3 pretty cool stuff if you want set it to a 32 bit software system for those older games and a 64 on a different ssd boot to load whichever system to what game system your playing
@@Runificent 754 motherboards are cheap and very usable A3?00+ CPUs etc, they have the needed PCI and some have ISA.
Athlon also is near retro era early 2000s. XP into Win7 territory. lower the CPU multiplier and so on.
The early Pentiums are out there just, Pentium 233 MMX for very low dollar but motherboards are rare.
486 machines even worse. There is a retro tax now for working old hardware (surprise lol).
VIA low power CPUs are a total pain in the proverbial, they were when they first appeared, mystery bricking was one problem back in the day.
the later ones seem to be just as obnoxious regarding modern or hobby OSes, it might be that they lack certain instructions sets that modern OSes take for granted, pair them with BSD then the two negatives cancel out...
21:33 "I'm not the expert..." You have been classified in and off CZcams as the retro PC and retro MIDI/sound expert so don't drop the towel. You are highly skilled and have been our reference on the internet, so...YOU ARE THE EXPERT!
Yeah... expert who doesent know why his cpu crashes, and uses handheld fan as a solution. Dont be ridiculous
I gave a thumps up for Re-Volt. Such a fun game. Played it a lot in LAN with a friend of mine back in the day. The game is still alive and kicking in 2019.
i played it when it was new in 98 or 99 i don't remember
The thin client hobby has always passed me by without raising interest.
Somehow CZcams recommended your video and I'm glad it did.
Yesterday I brough one of my older PC up from the celler.
It's of the same XP generation.
Never watched a thin client video before, but had a general knowledge of the layout.
These computers were often in offices and I remember being frustrated over how slow they were. Out of a enthusiast perspective.
As these PC's started to get installed I heavy tanker trucks, with touchscreens around 2005. I really liked that since I no longer needed to bring my own laptop.
The clients were often paired with HP iPaq's and worked really well. Ahead of their time in many cases.
Thanks for making great videos.
You got a new sub. =)
I do love watching these videos where you bring new life to crusty old thin clients. Every time i watch them, I jump on ebay and look for similar devices to fiddle with. :)
That's great to hear!
I ended up dragging my same thin client out from storage inspired by your last video on them. It's a great little banger for old school retro. Great video.
I love a good tinker so i always like messing with 'outdated' computers. There is a lot of fun to be had with them.
The Radeon Xpress 1200/1250 is actually an integrated GPU of RS690 chipset.
It's a real shame HP decided once again to NOT populate the second DIMM slot on the PCB to enable dual channel Memory. That would really help out in the graphics performance.
This is so therapeutic to watch. Thank you Phil Hardware therapy.
Agreed
very nice!....you always come up with ingenious solution for these thin clients...PROPS for the McGyver reference :)
I get the impression right at the beginning that your going to have a lot of fun with this project.
The hidden ports are for hardware keys to certain software, though if course you can put whatever you want. Wifi comes to mind
I put USB sticks in there to boot off to run FreePBX :)
Omg i have this pc!!!! Thanks man!! I bought this inspired by your t5710 video!!
I'm in retro-heaven right now.
Just got one from the decommissioned bin at work, looking forward to giving it a spin
Phil I enjoy your retro gaming videos I am a Computer Engineer living in Turkey. I am Aussie as well mate keep up the awesome work.
I was hoping You would do an upgrade video of one of these particular units. Thank You.
great video phil, i have a few different thin clients and they are definitely fun to experiment with on a rainy day.
That's right, most projects I do are for fun and because I find the hardware interesting!
You could still mod a fan from a laptop into the machine rather than using an external solution however you will need to figure out where to tap for voltage.
the hidden usb port would be an option
@@LarrysUniqueHandle Good spot to tap some voltage from and easier than finding points on the board.
@@LarrysUniqueHandle depends on the fan's working voltage. Some fans are 12v (even the small ones) and some boards have no tappable 12v line. 5v fans are easy though by tapping USB - but be sure to line up a couple of capacitors at least so the 5v USB line wont get too noisy that can affect other connected devices.
@@ayuchanayuko most laptop fans are 5 volts and even if it us 12 volts 5 volts will still work just at lower rpms
@@gusdelmoba3185 good point, some fan airflow is better than no fan
I love this idea! I too find these projects interesting keep up the good work!
That machine looks neat. I wish I had one like these for emulating games.
Awesome you added Revolt to your games! I bought it at retail when new. Have to find me CD and try it again!
Thank god I watched this video. Was trying to find out what program you used in your previous vids for drivers. Couldn’t remember snappy drivers installer. Saved me time from watching you previous vids again lol. Gr8 Vid as always Phil.
You can probably slip a laptop fan inside there and connect it to 5 volt power. Maybe USB.
This. Or just one of those 40mm blower fans you find from China on ebay/aliexpress. Just tape it to the CPU plate with the exhaust aiming at the CPU heatsink.
I did this with a Wyse thin client I converted to a XP retro machine. It's only @ 20% fan speed and keeps the AMD G-T48E under 50c at all times.
I love the format of your videos! Informative, simple and quite straight to the point.
I've started putting together a Socket 478 computer with a 3Ghz HT Pentium 4 but find it difficult to find an affordable AGP graphics card. I've seen you have a good collection of those, why not make a video about what is the best one to pair with one of those Pentium processors? They are available almost everywhere and are very affordable but if the GPU is something to spend extra on, it'll be nice to narrow them down. Being period correct isn't a requirement so long as the components work well together :)
Yea PCIe cards are a lot easier to find. Consider just going with a PCIe based system instead.
Haha... Are you kidding me? My unit arrived on Monday and now I'm just waiting for the Turion 64 x2 TL-60 and the 64GB mSATA with IDE adapter I've ordered on eBay!!! This tiny machine is gonna be my 'silent' Windows XP rig. By the way, great video, Phil!
Eduardo Nicácio
Is this machine compatible with dual core CPUs?
@@user-xq9tt5vu6u, according to this website, it is. I'm just waiting the arrival of an IDE-to-mSATA adapter in order to have my unit up and running with a fresh Windows XP Pro installation.
www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t5730/mods.shtml
@@user-xq9tt5vu6u , just to let you know: I've installed the Turion 64 X2 TL-60 and everything worked as expected. I've sold that thin client after that and went with an HP T610 Plus instead.
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Thanks for information.
@@nicacioedu when you got your IDE-to-mSATA adapter, did it come with that ribbon cable? or do you have to buy that separately?
I really enjoy these thin client reviews.
Neat little machine here, Lots of room for modification
those cooling pads are one-time use thermal stuff. You really should clean them off if you intend to use thermal paste too.
If you haven't completely dropped the subject you may want to try the AMD Sempron M100, I vaguely remember that cpu being a great go to if you had an s1 machine that had problems with heat but needed 2ghz for the mad gaming.
The HP thin Clients are some fun computers to tinker around in, I have a t610 I was thinking of using it as a portable windows xp gaming pc since it has a built in AMD GPU though weak it might do the job for older games.
The 620 is heaps better for that actually!
@@philscomputerlab Thank you for the suggestion i'll look into that one.
An idea for another video: find a really compact machine with AGP support ;-)
Not sure if there is a “thin client” with AGP out there. Maybe a small form factor Dell ?
@@ichigo3223 I'm pretty sure there isn't any, that's why I said a genereric "compact".
PCI cards are going to be fast enough for thinclients. You can get a GT610/GT520 PCI. The fastest AGP card is a 4670, which about twice as fast as a 610 but they need extra power.
@@ionstorm66 I'd say that HD 3850 is fastest, because of 256-bit memory bus. I have one myself with A64 X2 6000+ and an Asrock AM2NF3 mobo.
@@RuruFIN 3850 is a ton of power for a thin client though. Even the 4670 is probably more power than you can get from a thin client. 3850 is 75, 4670 is 59, and the 610 is only 30w
Try plan C for installations: get a Zalman or IODD virtual ODD USB drive, copy your Windows ISO images on to the drive and select your O/S image to install. I've used both to install onto thin clients with no problem. Often much faster install than a USB stick as the virtual ODD drive uses a normal 2.5" SATA HDD or SSD and you can have all your Windows (and Linux!) ISO easily accessible on a single drive. Great channel, keep up the good work.
I was very close to buying this device, but it would be just another gadget lying around and not getting used. But it really is a neat product, no doubt.
Lots of hardware out there which is basically considered trash, but can still be used for certain things. Some of these also come with VESA mount screw holes, so that you can mount it right on the back of a monitor, turning the thing into an quiet all-in-one PC.
I wonder if you could mod a laptop fan into the system by pulling 5 or 7 volt from the output of the cpu high-side mosfets, ground from a screw mount and leaving the pwm pin disconnected and then connecting the fan to those points and then sticking the fan blowing toward the fin stack.
That should keep the temperatures under control while not being too loud.
I would also replace that PSU, I think it can't cope with the power demands of the 3600+ and is causing power fluctuations that is causing it to crash.
Dude...laptop cooler. You can get one of those big plastic laptop coolers for like $10 or less on eBay that has a multiple fans that blows air through anything sitting on it and with that unit having so many holes in the bottom it would be perfect for a laptop cooler. With it having those hidden USB ports you could run the laptop cooler connector up to that and attach it permanently and voila! Perfect cooling, no muss no fuss.
Good idea.
I was expecting the MK38 to have higher consumption than it did considering it makes a leap in voltage over the others. Rightmark CPU may be useful in undervolting them a little bit. And it can probably also change ram divider. And there are also applications to toy with ram latency a tiny bit, so there is perhaps a lot of tweaking one can do if they wish to put in the time. AM2 CPU's were always basing ram from the CPU clock and not the bus clock. AMD changed that from the DDR1 cpu's for some reason. It may have been with how the ram controller coupled to the CPU cores through the internal crossbar.
Also as a point of comparison, this will perform better than a tweaked Barton cpu on NForce2! It actually does by a fair amount.
The Fujitsu Futro S550 (not -2) has the same cpu socket and came with a sempron 1Ghz aswell.
I upgraded it to a Athlon 64 x2 1,2Ghz Dualcore which is the only cpu that doesn´t have too much tdp so the passive cooler can still handle it.
The Futro uses compact flash cards as storage, so i got a 32GB one.
Since "cheap" consumer cards can´t be configured as fixed drive anymore, installing windows needs an Pc running "WinToUSB" and needs ofc a card reader.
But after this, installing Windows 7 - 10 is no problem and does run very fast
The Futro S550 has a metal case and is very slim and lightweight, i like it.
But it can´t handle modern web.
Odd. I had thought that the Sempron 3600+, a 31-watt part, was drawing more power than the PSU could supply. The Sempron 2100+ is just a 9w part in comparison. But the Turion you tested is a 35w part, yet the PSU coped when the system was heavily loaded doing benchmarks. Maybe the 3600+ is just faulty, then.
These thin clients are great for retro gaming. A while ago there was someone selling some thin clients (not this exact model) that booted directly into Amiga OS3. This would make a great Amiga project. About the cooling. You could try resting this on top of a large laptop cooler. The air will hit that CPU fin and should help keep the temps down when you upgrade the CPU to a faster more power hungry unit.
That 2 hidden USB ports might also be able to be used for hiding USB adapters and dongles (wifi, bluetooth, etc)
Yea it's perfect for that.
Very nice video! Do you think Windows 98 SE will work with this?
I think this is the first video i watched from u
Hi Phil, Great video and tutorial.
The 'bad' cpu may have just been to much or a power draw on the cpu socket, or as it ran for a while may have been borderline throttling and shut down for heat reasons.
It also sort of explains why the later mobile CPU worked, all mobile ones are lower power consumption / low heat ( under clocked / voltage sort of so not to cook in the confined space of a laptop - I have a XP class Toshiba laptop with Pentium Celeron M, it is warm by todays standards but not as hot as the early Penium 4 desktop and laptops
As for cooling, try some 5v small fans similar to what was on Pentium 1, they are say 25-30mm wide and 15-20mm high, i am sure i have seen you use them before and also jerry rig then on video cards, if you cant mount on the CPU then mount then near the heat pipe or cooling fins, otherwise mount then upside down on the metal mesh frame / cover
Regards
George
Great tips! The 2 GHz Turion 64 has since arrived, but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. I might do a follow up video at some point though.
Heeeeeeeeeeeey....isn't that a second RAM slot? Are there models with 2 slots in total? That would be awesome! By the way, I've got a thin client with an Atom 1.6Ghz with hyper threading (the first HT enabled CPU after Netburst and before Core). It's not bad. Better than the VIA eden TC i have and it plays CZcams from Firefox flawlessly. Cheers! :)
Awesome video thank you so much dude
Triggered
I had a Turion x2 in a compaq laptop and x300 gpu. That was a beast laptop running UT 2004🥰
Love your content dude, have you any info on the Dell Inspiron 3000 m200st laptop? I have one and it has a single floppy drive but has a sled that has also a cd drive but I didn't get the cable for that
The pcie slot is actually a proprietary pci slot that requires a special riser. Theoretically you could add a geforce 6200 card for much better video performance over the ATI Radeon x1250, though i doubt this would actually be worth the effort.
This thin pc's, Amd powered, should make a nice comeback.
I can only imagine a nice Athlon, with a decent Navi on-board...
The Wyse rx0l r90l r90lw offer similar upgradeability, but some in the series (the R90LE) also can take an expansion chassis that gives them a place for a PCIE video card.
I would guess power supply is not enough, or MB was not designed for this cpu consumption. What was tpd of old one vs new one?
I bought a Windows XP computer recently which is the RM One 300. For me it had some surprising hardware. It has a PGA478 socket with a core2duo CPU, 4GB DDR2 RAM and a 16x PCIe expansion slot.
Excited to tackle this project myself! I've picked up a t5730 for £20 and I've opted for a CPU upgrade that wasnt mentioned in this video but should be compatible, the AMD Athlon 64 x2 TK-57, as I spotted one on eBay for about £4. Will post my results, but I am anticipating that heat will be an issue so I'll be working on adding a fan somewhere also.
Dual core? As long as you have a decent PSU and keep the temperaturs in check :) Eager to hear how you go...
@@philscomputerlab yes I've found a 65W PSU just to make sure I have some overhead. I'll keep you posted!
@@joshduffety-wong9618 did it work ?
@@jondonnelly4831 hey Jon, it did! But then the entire unit unfortunately died about a month later. Think I just didn't do a thorough enough cleaning of the unit after buying it, reapplying thermal pastes etc. Heat was an issue, and an extra fan was required
These things make great little personal webservers.
My old Gateway M-1617 was the same platform, but with the Turion 64 X2 TL-58 (1.90 GHz) and a Radeon x1270 (higher clocked x1200). It was fast enough to play Half-Life 2 and a few other game from the era. I ran it for years with an XP/7 dual boot. I should rebuild it with a SSD.
These would be nice for some sort of small media server or pFsense router, but then again there are better options that are cheap and use less power for better performance than this
I can really recommend the Lenovo ThinkCentre M72e Tiny. Most of the time it was shipped with 2nd gen core Pentium T processors, the fastest config was a dual core core i5 3rd gen T.. but an i5 3470 non-T works just fine with a standard 3.42A power supply. Best thing is to open up the cpu and replace the tim with liquid metal. Last 3470 I bought was €23 on ebay including shipping, prices have really beem going down since ryzen
If the CPU Core VID in the screenshot is accurate, it looks like the Sempron 3600 was running over stock voltage. According to the list of Sempron processors on wikipedia, stock voltage range for the Keene core is 0.95-1.125V, whereas it looks like it's running at 1.15V. This might be too much over voltage, or the extra power draw from the increased voltage could be pushing the power supply or VRMs too hard.
I still find it fun how Aussies say "H" versus Yanks and even Brits.
I could never find one to work that good
Which of all these thin clients would be best suited out of the box to play some doom and full throttle etc. with a roland sound canvas?
I have a Mobile Sempron 3400+ 1.8GHz, it is listed as a 25w chip which should be good on thermals and performance (relatively), just laying in a plastic clam shell seems like it would be a nice little upgrade for a thin client like this one.
This machine is strikingly similar to the Wyse R90L which has the same ATI chipset, except the Wyse has a faster 1.5 GHZ Sempron 210u CPU under the hood and also comes in an expansion variant with a PCI-e x16 slot. I haven't tested yet to see how ram speeds are set.
Aaah used to play Insane networked with friends!!
You always remove/mount heatsink screws in cross pattern if you don't want to damage the chip. :)
Wyse Technology Desktop Slimline Thin Client - AMD T56N 1.60 GHz 909690-01L on Amazon at the moment $45 ish + p&p. very nice range of IO on them.
Dual 232 Printer DVI Dport US2 and USB3 on back plus USB on front , Network PS/2-keyboard and what appears to be wifi too.
Hey Phil, love your videos, tell me do you use Castle Wolfenstein because you can say the name properly lol. I could listen to you saying Wolfenstein all day.
Haha. I do really like that game :D
@@philscomputerlab because it was forbidden fruit in Germany?
youre voice is so damn calming.
Could you do a cpu overclocking guide? I would like to overclock my core 2 quad q9650 to 3.5 ghz but I'm new to overclocking.
is W98 a thing now? As in is there a popularity, some pennies to be made? I have often thought that there should be a place for a SFF W98 box but wasn't sure. Certainly W98 is a good OS for the pre-XP gaming experince.
quick question i have my HP THIN CLIENT T5740 i have dos in stalled but win 98 se dont sey my usb dvd rom or does dos how do i get drivers to let dos and win 98 se see usb dvd rom? any help would be great
Super cool video
Thin Clients are awesome! Got the Wortmann one back then for Win98 gaming, but I am still looking for another one for some mid-2000s gaming. Do you have a Thin Client on mind that supports an upgrade to the GPU for that purpose?
We looked at the 620 Plus, this one takes PCIe graphics!
But what about dual core turions with s1g1 socket?
5:50
I don't think you're supposed to mix thermal grease and thermal pads. You probably get away with it here due to the chips being so weak/low power but that likely wouldn't help on a faster rig.
Then again, I could be wrong. I guess they both just transfer heat between a chip and the block so maybe it doesn't matter?
Edit: I forgot to add that this is a nice little retro machine! I'd probably prefer something like this compared to a Raspberry Pi but that's just me. I mean, at least until the next gen (or 2) of Pi is released.
hidden usb was for wifi dongle. Overall great idea to look at thoose terminal clients.
Thanks for your reply Phil i was not expecting one as the video is a few years old.Something else i would like to know is the about the Hpt5730 can it run Dos and Windows98 on it?Sad to say i bought it before i checked out the prices of the upgrade with the CPU and the other upgrades i would have to do .Which would double the price i paid for it.I got it from eBay so i can send it back and get a refund.I suppose I should have gone for either the HPT5710 or the HPT5720 the ones they have on eBay all come from Germany .Are there any other modals that that i can game on with Windows98 and Dos?
Keep up the good work Phil.
Yea no 98 for the 5730. But 5710 and 5720 support it www.philscomputerlab.com/hp-t5720.html
Hey Phil, I’ve been messing around with the HP T610 thin client you reviewed a while ago. The fps that gets is similar to what you’re showing here in OpenGL games. Wondering if you noticed this as well, or found a terascale driver that performs well with OpenGL?
Heya.. good to see you here ;)
The CPU in the 610 is pretty weak if I remember correctly.
@@philscomputerlab It's a Bobcat dual core at 1.6Ghz. It's weak, but not far off from what you used in this video. I'm thinking it's just AMD's OpenGL drivers. I'm trying out GLDirect which converts OpenGL to DX9 right now
I have an AMD Turion 64 x2 1.6GHz (TL-50) if you want it ? I'd definitely send it over if you were to make another video about this thin client :) let me know if you want it (It's Free!!) I'm in Australia
Amd 64 x2 is my pc for gaming :')
@@caduceiz2155 The chips in this box are all mobile or laptop chips not desktop and use less power, have slower speeds and less performance.
@@dikbozo i mean, amd athlon 64 x2
@@caduceiz2155 Yes, this or one similar:
www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Athlon%2064%20X2%203600%2B%20-%20ADO3600IAA5DL.html
@@dikbozo Not true at all. Turion 64 X2 chips had performance that rivaled their desktop counterparts. The fastest CPU you can use in this box is probably the Turion 64 X2 TL-68, which runs at 2400 MHz. Though this specific chip is hard to find and still pretty expensive. I got lucky and found a TL-62 several years back in a scrapped laptop for $25 and it was orders of magnitude faster than the Sempron my laptop at the time had in it.
I used to have a few of these with an Intel Atom CPU, 2GB storage and 4GB of RAM running W7 embedded. Tried to turn it into a router, but it lacks a 2nd NIC and a USB NIC didn't work all that well.
Also great content!!!
If you have one of these and it doesn't power on a quick change of the CMOS battery solved the problem. Hope this helps someone.
Can't watch what you do with the CPU heatsink. The numbers that are imprinted near the screws are indicating the order in which one should screw them, and one should unscrew them in reverse order. Moreover, one should go by 2-3 turns of each screw repeatedly, and not screw/unscrew one screw fully. It really hurts to see such handling of the electronics.
I really want to make a pc from scratch to be that small.
i have a laptop with the same graphics chipset the advantage of the laptop is it is dual channel but the ram is limited to 667mhz because of the cpu memory controller
Great vid! I'd be really interested to see how fast you can game in Linux (I know it doesn't interest you as per the video; just curious).
Well I've been told that AMD has good driver support, so it should work well.
How good is the semprom 3200+ with heat? if that one is okay with passive cooling that might be the best option for me personally
It is a good idea to buy an old powerful laptop board and giving it a new life with a custom enclosure?
Did you even try just leaving the cover off and putting a low power GPU in the PCIE slot to see what happens? An HD 5450 should be of that vintage, only draw 20 watts, and be way better than on board. But the 20 watts from the PCIE slot could be an issue if it was never supposed to do that. I guess you could under clock it to save power.
It's sleek not just gorgeous!
I've been watching a number of your old videos and really enjoying the content. Thinking about getting my hands on a Pentium 4 for some retro gaming. They must be cheaper to get one then older machines like Pentium 3 etc. I'm kicking myself because I though out Pentium 4 last year because I needed the space. It was a socket 478 3.2ghz CPU and a after market cooler from zalman. I do have a Pentium 4 CPU somewhere think it's 478 3.0ghz. So may buy a lower ghz machine and upgrade it. I do have a pheom2 955be and CPU, Mobo and 8gb ddr3 on hand so wondering if that's any good to make XP rig? I have to look around I think I have a GTX 260 somewhere. I also have a GTX 570. Anyways thanks Phil for your videos and your knowledge. I'll admit I'm a little jealous of your collection, even tho I would have no where to store the amount of hardware you have.
So the Pentium 4 is perfect for Windows 98, a great alternative to Pentium 3. I will be doing a Pentium 4 Windows 98 video soon! For XP I would go with something much faster, think Socket 1156 with GTX 750.
@@philscomputerlab hmm this gives me something to think about. I was thinking this was too new. I have a socket 1150 i5 4440 3ghz only problem is only one dimm of ram works in the motherboard so it's limited to 2gb ram right now. All I need is a 4gb stick of ddr3 and a gpu. The PSU is a ok unit too. Could get a gpu that requires a six pin.
Thanks for the advice. Keep retro gaming! Loved your idea of setting up a lan with thin clients then inviting your friends over for beers and a game of unreal tournament, or quake etc.
I just finished my XP gaming PC, and I thought it was underpowered with a Pentium D 945 3.2Ghz, 3.5GB DDR2, and R7 250. Makes me kinda grateful.
We will soon be looking at my "recommended" Windows XP build :)
Still looking around for the best option for a 12 volt low power consumption windows 2000 machine.
Cool video
you should check out the hp probook 650 g1 which has a changable cpu and can play games farely well for a laptop
Shouldn't you be using an 80 conductor cable on that IDE module? You can not take advantage of ATA100 or 133 unless you do. You are slowing your IDE down to 66, that is I believe if I remember correctly. It has been a while since I looked into it but I always use 80 conductor cables with any later IDE spec boards.
Hi Phil, if you want a decently fast CPU for t5730 that doesn't overheat, consider Athlon 64 TF-20 and Athlon 64 X2 TK-42. They run at 1.6GHz but has lower TDP of 15-20W, in comparison the Mobile Sempron 3200+ you used has the same speed and with 25W TDP.
I have my t5730w upgraded to TF-20 and it doesn't even need a fan to cool, though the case does get quite warm. I may eventually upgrade to TK-42 and add a 50mm/60mm fan onto the heatsink, the extra core should still give a nice speed boost in general use.
We have a couple of similar older models sitting gathering dust at work. I love them, especially the silent passive cooling and low power usage. Even with the shitty old atom processor it can run simh emulator at about the same speed as an old VAX 750, sitting there in a corner of the server room. For that ultimate retrocomputing experience =D
I should add, with the factory 4GB "HDD" they could only run WinXP SE with compressed drive, and yeah that's as horrible as it sounds. But Debian 7 runs just fine :) Although HP recommends not writing to the IDE drive too many times, coz it's not an SSD.
My Choice is the Athlon 64 TF20 Manufactered in 65 nm , it has a TDP of 15 Watt only 6 Watt more then the original Sempron 2100+