TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) route 509 and 510 CLRV's (Canadian Light Rail Vehicles) in the underground streetcar loop at Toronto Union Station. August 2015.
@@mymo_in_Bb nah, no injuries from that, just say behind the yellow line. ttc has had pretty much no issues with the sharp corners corners of tracks at street level are very sharp, ttc needs custom changes to bogeys for the turn radius
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO it’s pretty safe actually, pretty much the same as any old style (non raised) on road tram stop with a waiting area between the car lanes and the tram tracks. Even if you’re expecting a train station, those also have lines on the floor to stand behind, so no one should be caught out by this
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING! Also, it reminded me of subway hell clip from a movie i forgot the name of, with chaotic subway train just go flying off the tracks at like almost the speed of sound and crash through various stations, breaking pillars and everything and other trains.
Moro no Brasil e sempre que vejo o nome Toronto, lembro de tonto, como se um cara batesse a cabeça, ficasse tonto e resolvesse chamar a cidade de Toronto 🥲
Who made these? They look similar to Hägglund M29 that we have in Gothenburg Sweden which was made in the same era. Do you also happen to know what the name of these units are?
In Portugal they're still active, both in Lisbon and Porto, the old ones are mainly for tourism but do get used by locals too, since they are included in the monthly pass, they also have modern ones bendy ones with 2 and (a quarter?) carts and fit way more people, but in the summer during high tourist season and especially during rush hour you'll still be crammed in there like in a can of sardines.
@@fridericusrex9812 Any North American countries isn't known for high quality engineering. Why do people think that North America should've the same standards as Europe and Asia?
@@rockstopsthetraffic I love how people just make assumptions that nobody in Toronto use streetcars when many people use them. Stop making assumptions that everyone owns a car, not everyone own a car. Even if they can afford a car, some people still don't want a car.
@@user-jo4eh7so2z The tunnel/curve is likely very old and used much shorter trams. I guess from 1900. Rail in N.America is very poor. We don't have high-speed rail and our trains are poorly maintained garbage. It saved companies money.
@@blingbling2841 yes. I'm always wondering how would it feel like if I was in an empty city with all the lights on but nobody in direct line of sight. That reminds me of an old *gmod* map called "rp_downtown" where you are in a small town with background noises like some humming sound, ambulances etc. (and no wind I think) but the town is completelly empty with nobody around.
Damn! I thought the old South Ferry loop here in New York City was sharp! Is anyone else disturbed by the fronts of those cars swinging over the platform? Cool loop.
In true Toronto Union station fashion, their station will be reconstructed soon, to have better connections to the station, and a straight platform rather than the curved design.
This is a older document of it, where they explored both a upgraded streetcar and APM option. The APM option has been dropped. I know their more up to date docs but their hard to find.
Steering, no. Speed control, yes. Steel on steel means you don't have a ton of friction to slow you down quick, so it's all about hazard perception and anticipation.
I mean, it has its own Wiki page... And full pages of links appeared, before I even got " Toronto underground city" typed into the search... PATH is no greatly kept secret...
Reminds me of the little trams in Lisbon Portugal. Except in their case the single 4 wheel bogey is fixed near the centre of the tram with the extreme ends overhanging so they appear to swing out on the curves just missing the parked cars and buildings. Apparently they were donated from the Seaton Coast trams in the UK about 100 years ago but still running .
There are a couple of other TTC stations with underground streetcar/tram loops: Spadina and St. Clair West. I don't recall any others, but I haven't been on a streetcar in decades.
I know this stop....if you ride the streetcar from Harbourside to Union Station, this is where it lets you off....you walk towards the rest of Union Station and go downstairs if you want to hop on the subway to board line 1, which is a big "U" shape through downtown Toronto.
It's a bit confusing, why the station platform is reaching the track without gap, than I realise that the tram midle is almost back to the track in the curwe. I wonder what forced the station to be roght on the turn, not at a straight secktion.
How nice! Now show us what it's like at rush-hour when the folk are waiting for cars held up by an accident on route and the announcement comes to go upstairs and wait for a shuttle bus. Been there, done that. It's not an easy job to do, driving a streetcar in mixed traffic, methinks. Kudos to those who can manage the stress. Yes, stressful when people blame the first driver over regular routing after a diversion due to accidents on route, I've seen, many times. TTC moves a couple of million people a day, with mixed services. Construction is the bane of all traffic but especially streetcars, IMO.
@@o.m.b.demolitionenterprise5398before we get rid of cars we should make public transit much more reliable, comfortable, fast and cheap. These are all aspects where for example the german public transit completely failed and is the reason why so many people are swtiching to cars.
@@Mike1064ab that just reminds me of the times when PCC2 streetcars/trolleys on route 15 got into collisions with cars because car drivers are impatient and are trying to get around the trolley and end up busting up their cars and damaging the trolley a bit with causing scratches on the trolley, and such.
@@MetroGaming75 oh! Forgot about the sound. Recently, I've rarely rode the trolleys, because I'm in the borough of Pottstown, instead of the city of Philadelphia.
@@MetroGaming75 ok. But is SEPTA really going to replace the trolleys it already has, while a strike is soon to occur? Also, all people who ride the trolleys would get angry and start rioting, and demand SEPTA to put back the original trolleys into the tracks.
Far from an optimal stop & huge overhangs that penetrate far into the platform (on the preview I thought it derailed) , it´s far worse than the old Tram-Train loop stop of (S1 S11) Linkenheim-Hochstetten ( 49.13353688254284, 8.41514004009845 ) northern of Karsruhe (in Germany) which was replaced by a straight track stop
this streetcar no longer exist, the current fleet has lots of articulated small bits, it doesnt hang much into the platform(serch ttc flexity outlook), and they are currently planing a expansion of the platform because of new lines to come to union station which would cause backups
@@Humulator - some good decisions finally (because I know Toronto uses special weired track gage) , but the greasing of the wheel´s "Spurkranz" (the rim on the side of the wheel) should be really done , its installed into the rails on tight courves / loops ... & still stops in the bendy part of loops are generally suboptimal & more risky than on straight track (that´s why they changed the Tram-Train stop inside the loop of (S1 S11) Linkenheim-Hochstetten ( 49.13353688254284, 8.41514004009845 ) to the straight section) & many cities put the stop from the beginning on the straight section of the loop (even in resouece scarcity of Socialist countries like East-Germany (this example was originally build in 1960s + 1970s for the Chechoslovakian "Tartra T3D" (the "D" in it means intended for East-Germany) that uses the same (1930s USA PCC-streetcar principle) , Geo-coordinates: 53.64894767712595, 11.362613407084654 and 53.59938774229919, 11.449384098868423 ) )
@@Killerspieler0815to clairify: the reason for straighting and expanding the platform isnt saftey(also i dont think there has ever been a derailment here in the ~25 years this loop has operated) but rather the plans for the new harbourfront east tram(right now only harbourfront west serves this) and with the need for a passing loop and more space for the streetcars
They were constrained by its proximity to the existing Union Station layout. A slight curve wasn't possible. And a straight terminus, with reversing cross-over tracks would have significantly diminished the flow-through capacity of line.
The way it turns, this is so weird and fascinating to see
the bogeys are made to turn very sharply as some of the corners can be 10 meters in diameter
Like it's drifting
and also dangerous
@@AlexandreJWKlaus bogie conception of PCC
@@mymo_in_Bb nah, no injuries from that, just say behind the yellow line. ttc has had pretty much no issues with the sharp corners
corners of tracks at street level are very sharp, ttc needs custom changes to bogeys for the turn radius
Bro these trains are next level drifters lol😂
Well they look like it
These are trams.
@@amadeosendiulo2137 🤓
Agreed this is just crying out for some eurobeat 😂
Deja vu! I just been in this place before
No, Elon, this is a “Loop” that actually serves a purpose.
the car tunnel doesnt help traffic elon...
"Why don't we take the traffic, and push it somewhere else?"
@@Humulator "I reinvented the subway, but worse!"
Don’t forget the Wirral line loop up in Liverpool
@@Humulator 00c
At the beginning is looks like it's drifting lol
The Fast and the Furious: Toronto Drift
No it’s not
I thought it had derailed onto the platform; it's utterly silly design which could result in new users to get killed
@@blueberodude ik it's not 🤦🏽♂️
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO it’s pretty safe actually, pretty much the same as any old style (non raised) on road tram stop with a waiting area between the car lanes and the tram tracks. Even if you’re expecting a train station, those also have lines on the floor to stand behind, so no one should be caught out by this
From the thumbnail it looked like it derailed 😂😂
I thought the same
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING!
Also, it reminded me of subway hell clip from a movie i forgot the name of, with chaotic subway train just go flying off the tracks at like almost the speed of sound and crash through various stations, breaking pillars and everything and other trains.
@@carlossalvador7402 same here. I thought it derailed too.
Same!
It reminds me of those "Open BVE" subway videos
RIP CLRV's. Felt transported back to my childhood.
Aw man, they're gone?
@@KlaxontheImpailryeah all of them are sadly retired.
@@davidng2336 that's a shame, I wish I could have seen them.
NOO my dream of watching them are ruined loved watching videos of theses tram as an kid
But why they gone?
I miss these old street cars. They were an icon to Toronto since their debut in the 1970s.
Moro no Brasil e sempre que vejo o nome Toronto, lembro de tonto, como se um cara batesse a cabeça, ficasse tonto e resolvesse chamar a cidade de Toronto 🥲
Who made these? They look similar to Hägglund M29 that we have in Gothenburg Sweden which was made in the same era. Do you also happen to know what the name of these units are?
@@zerocool6452can car iirc, canadian car company
In Portugal they're still active, both in Lisbon and Porto, the old ones are mainly for tourism but do get used by locals too, since they are included in the monthly pass, they also have modern ones bendy ones with 2 and (a quarter?) carts and fit way more people, but in the summer during high tourist season and especially during rush hour you'll still be crammed in there like in a can of sardines.
Dang, that’s just about the limit those rails can curve! The wheels rail are screeching up a storm. Never mind the wear on all of it.
Canada is not known for high quality engineering. The standards are very low.
@@fridericusrex9812 Oh look a clueless muppet. Oh and FYI skippy that radi curve is 30% tighter than the CLRV was designed for....
We don't use these streetcars anymore, and the loop is scheduled to be redesigned anyway.
@@fridericusrex9812 Any North American countries isn't known for high quality engineering.
Why do people think that North America should've the same standards as Europe and Asia?
@@rockstopsthetraffic I love how people just make assumptions that nobody in Toronto use streetcars when many people use them.
Stop making assumptions that everyone owns a car, not everyone own a car. Even if they can afford a car, some people still don't want a car.
すごい急なカーブ
日本だとちょっと黄色い線の外出てたくらいじゃぶつからない設計になってるけどここはすごいギリギリだなあ
日本だと豊橋の路面電車のカーブがこんな感じだけど、カーブ途中には駅は置いてないですよねぇ。
@@user-jo4eh7so2z The tunnel/curve is likely very old and used much shorter trams. I guess from 1900. Rail in N.America is very poor. We don't have high-speed rail and our trains are poorly maintained garbage. It saved companies money.
すんごw
自動車で言うオーバーハングの部分のはみ出し度合いが尋常じゃ無さ過ぎて「黄色い線の内側でお待ちください」の言葉の重みが違いすぎる…
M
Yes
電車「ルール守らない奴全員なぎ倒す」
@@Oniwa105_ 黄色い腺の内側にお下がりください(ガチ)
これ日本のお年寄りだったらやばいな。黄色い線にピッタリ足つけて止まってるから
At midnight when there's hardly anyone, this is good enough to feel like backrooms
I had this same thought couple months back. 😅
Yes. Imagine this driving itself with nobody in this hall but you.
I love liminal spaces.
@@asiano3385 Very trippy, in a good way. Things like these kinda make you feel more alive, doesn't it?
@@blingbling2841 yes. I'm always wondering how would it feel like if I was in an empty city with all the lights on but nobody in direct line of sight.
That reminds me of an old *gmod* map called "rp_downtown" where you are in a small town with background noises like some humming sound, ambulances etc. (and no wind I think) but the town is completelly empty with nobody around.
This is nostalgic, there was always something quaint about the old streetcar design.
I used to live in Toronto, The nostalgia is MASSIVE
Damn! I thought the old South Ferry loop here in New York City was sharp!
Is anyone else disturbed by the fronts of those cars swinging over the platform?
Cool loop.
or City Hall
In true Toronto Union station fashion, their station will be reconstructed soon, to have better connections to the station, and a straight platform rather than the curved design.
Wow! That's news to me.
This is a older document of it, where they explored both a upgraded streetcar and APM option. The APM option has been dropped. I know their more up to date docs but their hard to find.
@@Kishanth.J What is an "APM option"?
@@thedoeguy automated people mover
A cable pulled one like the Person people mover was looked at.
一瞬ドリフトしてるのかと思った
Damn the Tokyo Drift remake seems lit!
トロントで一年間留学したが、Canadian National Exhibitionに行くためここで地下鉄から電車に乗り換えた。懐かしい。
トロントってどこ？
@@user-sq9rz2kb2rカナダ
@user-sq9rz2kb2r カナダ
@@user-sq9rz2kb2rカナダだよ〜、地図だとアメリカの上にあるでっかい国
Bro i just love this station and part of the streetcar system, it was so fire when i was riding one of these
Driving one of those things looks like a great job, you don't have to worry about steering! My five-year-old grandson could run one of those!
sterring? 🤨what kind of system need steer adjustment ?
Steering, no. Speed control, yes. Steel on steel means you don't have a ton of friction to slow you down quick, so it's all about hazard perception and anticipation.
@@Croz89so wait you literally have to do nothing? FREE MONEY?
@@jimmyjohn6479other than control a train that is
not exactly as there are things other than driving@@jimmyjohn6479
I love how Toronto has a vast, interconnected, secret underground city that is barely known to outsiders.
I mean, it has its own Wiki page...
And full pages of links appeared, before I even got " Toronto underground city" typed into the search...
PATH is no greatly kept secret...
黄色い線の外側歩いてるだけで電車にぶつかるの怖スギル‥
数少ない日本人だ
That's oddly mesmerising to watch. Even from my sofa, as the back end swings away, I have an almost overwhelming desire to shout "Weeeeee!"
Wow love it ❤❤❤❤❤ never see that before awesome. Thanks for sharing
「列車とホームの間が広く空いてるところがあります。足元にご注意下さい。」のどころじゃないww
Very amazing to see how it turns
Хорошая песня. Спасибо. Я живу в Кливленде, штат Огайо. Но я часто бываю в Торонто.
Wow that is so cool and interesting ive never seen anything like it
This is so nostalgic in I still go here today every day
器用やなぁ〜 路面電車の地下鉄は初めて見ました
地下を走る路面電車、世界には意外とありますよ。北米だとボストンやサンフランシスコ他、多いのは欧州やロシア。
Reminds me of the little trams in Lisbon Portugal. Except in their case the single 4 wheel bogey is fixed near the centre of the tram with the extreme ends overhanging so they appear to swing out on the curves just missing the parked cars and buildings.
Apparently they were donated from the Seaton Coast trams in the UK about 100 years ago but still running .
holy crap that looks dangerous
how many people have stood beyond the yellow line?
The engineering is fascinating
The amount that these things over hang is crazy
This has to be the tightest tram loop I've ever seen lol
So it would seem....
@@theussmirage🏴☠️
No, that loop is true drifting.
it's like those trains are drifting. Very interesting view.
Not often you see a train doing a hand break turn! 😂
Always thought that it would be possible to put tram under street in some areas. You did it!
There are a couple of other TTC stations with underground streetcar/tram loops: Spadina and St. Clair West. I don't recall any others, but I haven't been on a streetcar in decades.
Germans do that
@@samanli-tw3idthe Cologne underground rail is actually a tram, but where else?
0_0 I been in Toronto for so long and I never seen this before
I know this stop....if you ride the streetcar from Harbourside to Union Station, this is where it lets you off....you walk towards the rest of Union Station and go downstairs if you want to hop on the subway to board line 1, which is a big "U" shape through downtown Toronto.
Imagine you were standing on what you thought the platform is and the car starts drifting 😂
Drift by train. Dreams come true!
0:04 it’s too too funny
Lovely 👌
It's a bit confusing, why the station platform is reaching the track without gap, than I realise that the tram midle is almost back to the track in the curwe.
I wonder what forced the station to be roght on the turn, not at a straight secktion.
黄色い線からはみ出てはいけない理由
I also have an underground tram in Volgograd.
that is one tight turn there
Very cool! it's like drifting.
Cool drifting !!! 😎
we are
Riding in the 90’s
(that whole drifting song)
This is cool! I like it!
interesting, never seen smth like this
One way to deal with the gap caused by a curved platform: hace the carriage hang over the platform!
Beautiful looking train.🚃
From the preview I thought the right rail was made of concrete and was a part of the platform
if it goes fast enough, will it do a polar express?
All this video needs now is some Eurobeat fading in just as the tram arrives.
ガチで黄色い線の内側がキルゾーンなんだなあ…
Damn, streetcars be driftin'
What is run time in this???
It’s cost effective because the concrete edge serves as a rail
fantastic- Joaquim Antunes -São Paulo - Brasil
How nice! Now show us what it's like at rush-hour when the folk are waiting for cars held up by an accident on route and the announcement comes to go upstairs and wait for a shuttle bus. Been there, done that. It's not an easy job to do, driving a streetcar in mixed traffic, methinks. Kudos to those who can manage the stress. Yes, stressful when people blame the first driver over regular routing after a diversion due to accidents on route, I've seen, many times. TTC moves a couple of million people a day, with mixed services. Construction is the bane of all traffic but especially streetcars, IMO.
thats why you get rid of the cars
Public transit should be given the right of way. It should never get stuck in traffic. That’s why you give them dedicated lanes only they can use.
@@o.m.b.demolitionenterprise5398before we get rid of cars we should make public transit much more reliable, comfortable, fast and cheap. These are all aspects where for example the german public transit completely failed and is the reason why so many people are swtiching to cars.
@@Mike1064ab that just reminds me of the times when PCC2 streetcars/trolleys on route 15 got into collisions with cars because car drivers are impatient and are trying to get around the trolley and end up busting up their cars and damaging the trolley a bit with causing scratches on the trolley, and such.
Right, because no one ever sits in traffic for hours on end in their car... because of a car wreck.
When I was in Toronto in 2019, all the older trams were beginning to be replaced. Is the switchover complete?
Yes.
@@thedoeguy: thanks. I'm glad I managed to ride one of the old style trams because I don't expect to be back in Canada until possibly 2025.
wow.. station on the curve
Good gosh that's satisfying to hear.
Insane Drifting skills
Where can I buy one as such?
Cue DEJA-VU blasting in louder and louder as the tram skids round.
Ryosuke hitting on the platform
How big are these streetcars?
When you really need to stay behind the yellow line
単線ドリフト…！？
one of the railway on the earth has a huge turning angle
great loop
Amazing
The thumbnail looked like The train ejected itself off the tracks.
This reminds me of the loops for the trolley in Philadelphia.
@@MetroGaming75 oh! Forgot about the sound.
Recently, I've rarely rode the trolleys, because I'm in the borough of Pottstown, instead of the city of Philadelphia.
@@MetroGaming75 ok. But is SEPTA really going to replace the trolleys it already has, while a strike is soon to occur?
Also, all people who ride the trolleys would get angry and start rioting, and demand SEPTA to put back the original trolleys into the tracks.
@@MetroGaming75 ok. Idk why, but my gut is saying that you are lying about SEPTA's plans for the trolleys.
@@lordmegatrong1918 I'm not you can search up the news online for yourself
train that curves?? incredible never seen before
Deja vu! I've just been in this place before
The new drift king
when you look at the tram it looks like it will crash into the platform
„Tokio Drift starts playing“
Super video
Reminds me of Schottentor tram stop in Vienna.
that looked like a bus train. Never seen it before
I wish I rode these often
"How tight do your want your curves sir?"
*"Yes"*
deja vu... i have been to this place before
Deja vu!
I've just been in this place before (higher on the street)...😄
Far from an optimal stop & huge overhangs that penetrate far into the platform (on the preview I thought it derailed) , it´s far worse than the old Tram-Train loop stop of (S1 S11) Linkenheim-Hochstetten ( 49.13353688254284, 8.41514004009845 ) northern of Karsruhe (in Germany) which was replaced by a straight track stop
this streetcar no longer exist, the current fleet has lots of articulated small bits, it doesnt hang much into the platform(serch ttc flexity outlook), and they are currently planing a expansion of the platform because of new lines to come to union station which would cause backups
@@Humulator -
some good decisions finally (because I know Toronto uses special weired track gage) , but the greasing of the wheel´s "Spurkranz" (the rim on the side of the wheel) should be really done , its installed into the rails on tight courves / loops ... & still stops in the bendy part of loops are generally suboptimal & more risky than on straight track (that´s why they changed the Tram-Train stop inside the loop of (S1 S11) Linkenheim-Hochstetten ( 49.13353688254284, 8.41514004009845 ) to the straight section) & many cities put the stop from the beginning on the straight section of the loop (even in resouece scarcity of Socialist countries like East-Germany (this example was originally build in 1960s + 1970s for the Chechoslovakian "Tartra T3D" (the "D" in it means intended for East-Germany) that uses the same (1930s USA PCC-streetcar principle) , Geo-coordinates: 53.64894767712595, 11.362613407084654 and 53.59938774229919, 11.449384098868423 ) )
@@Killerspieler0815to clairify: the reason for straighting and expanding the platform isnt saftey(also i dont think there has ever been a derailment here in the ~25 years this loop has operated) but rather the plans for the new harbourfront east tram(right now only harbourfront west serves this) and with the need for a passing loop and more space for the streetcars
@@Humulator -
good , I hope the even over dimension it a bit for future rise in traffic
@@Humulator your right
Most safe tram station in Toronto.
What’s the use of it why they have to built it in this way rather than straight or slight curve ??
They were constrained by its proximity to the existing Union Station layout. A slight curve wasn't possible. And a straight terminus, with reversing cross-over tracks would have significantly diminished the flow-through capacity of line.
Wow, i wonder what type of trams can go through such a loop, because you'll need a special type of truck to do that.
Strange design but interesting.
日本の黄色の線「ここ超えると危ないよ！」
動画の黄色い線「超えたら死ぬぞ」
Deja vu I just been to this place before........
Wow it is crazy
DEJA VUE! I've been to this place before!