I think you did more than prove "bad cpu coolers are bad". You proved that Dell, one of the biggest PC manufactures in the world thinks it's fine to nerf the performance, stability and longevity of their computers to save what... 50 cents on some heat pipes on an EIGHT CORE FOURTEENnm INTEL CPU...? There's no excuse for that, I'm sure there are huge margins in these PCs, or just make the customer pay the extra 50 cents?! And this is only exhibit A in the people vs. Dell class action law suit... single channel ram... GREY METAL INTERIOR? pffffft......
I completely agree. Like I said in the video, I tested with an ambient temp of 19.5c in a brand new system. Best case scenario and it still falls apart with any load on the CPU. I would be happy to an extra 50 cents for the bigger cooler (Which itself isn't really good enough).
Timmy Joe, we all know that in north bay, or wherever you hail from is so damn cold, that cpu coolers work way less hard when your house is freezing cold. Dont you put computers into deep freeze freezers for benchmarking anyhow?
@@Kasmuller Der8auer already debunked what 14nm of Intel and 7nm TSMC mean. There's no a single thing in those lithographies actually that small. And Intel's 14nm was equal to TSMC's 7nm.
You know the only people that say that are the ones that bought a 32GB single channel kit cause it was cheaper, and now feel stupid so they try to justify their decisions lol
@@gdrumeller Pretty much. Of all the things you could cheap out on too. The difference between dual channel and single channel is such a trivial price gap. Congrats! You saved 10-20 bucks? Even in a budget build it makes no sense for how much performance you are losing vs. whatever you could possibly put that saved money towards.
Heck even filling up all 4 slots of your motherboard even if it runs at dual channel have slight improvements compared to 2 sticks of RAM. Bunch of noobs speak out of ignorance.
LMAO!!! you're probably right! They hate it when you don't just buy their bullshit and hate it even more when you show your work to the world and curb stomp their asses. Like cock roaches when the light is flipped on.
@@DrearierSpider1 I agree, its awesome, but theres a pretty significant dip in retention during the intro which isn't good from an algorithmic standpoint. He did shorten the intro once but it just didn't feel right. Though there is a chance he simply forgot this time
Well, the take away here is Dawid's kung-fu is strong. Dell tried some janky shit and showed ALOT of people their true colors because of this video IMO. The sore thumb I can't cover here is their ram price, that's just a huge steaming pile of greasy bullshit. I'll build custom PC's for my wife's business when it's upgrade time again.(if the toilet paper apocalypses is over and prices get back to normal by then.) All her Office PC's and server are Dell and they have been great. Apparently Dell went in the dumpster since 2017.
@@ronguin7062 dell has been good for office computers because it's hard to fuck up making those, gaming PC's on the other hand, yeaaahh alot of OEMs cut too many corners to increase margins and with dell outsourcing it's customer service centers to India, using proprietary crap, using single channel, using crap cooler and probably a bunch of other things it's obvious profit weighs quite heavily into how they design theirs gaming rigs
Dawid, thanks for sharing your experience with Dell concerning what appeared to be an incorrect RAM card. My six year old Dell XPS8700 died about a month ago. Tried troubleshooting the easy fixes but none helped. Looked around for a PC with specs I wanted with quick ship. Settled on an XPS8940 i7 with 16GB RAM (2933MHz) and other upgrades. System shipped in 4 days but took FedEx 5 days to delivery. PC started up with no problems and I spent the next two weeks loading software and recovering data. Noticed Dell had a sale on RAM so I ordered another 16GB RAM this time 3200MHz because it was $10 less than the 2933MHz. Installed the new RAM and used Crucial's scan to make sure RAM was working. The scan indicated two RAM cards were installed. One 3200MHz (the new one) and one 2666MHz (the one shipped in the PC). Where did the 2666MHz come from? Dell shipped the wrong RAM. So that began the nightmare trying to get the RAM I paid for and the RAM that is shown on all the paperwork. Much as you reported I was bounced from Tech Support to Customer / Order support back to Tech Support and still do not have the issue resolved. Customer support said I could return the computer and they would ship a new one. Sure, I had spent about three weeks recovering from the XPS8700 that died. Was not going to return the XPS8940. Then Customer Support offered a $50 coupon so I could buy what was then $180 2933MHz RAM. After another week I chatted with Customer Support and they said I should get in touch with Tech Support which is similar to the handing off I saw when I first contacted Dell to resolve this issue. Bottom line is do not trust Dell. They apparently have little quality control and trying to resolve an issue is impossible. I would return the XPS8940 but after spending a month recovering from the failed XPS8700, I will keep the XPS8940 and will purchase another 16GB RAM 2933MHz from another company and when I next need a PC it will not be a Dell. Anyone considering purchasing from Dell, be prepared to get the runaround from them if you have a problem. Suggest you consider other manufacturers.
Also a very restricted BIOS. When it comes to prebuilt gaming PCs from big-volume OEMs, the computer will definitely run a cheap blower graphics card built to a minimum specification.
For most companies, getting detailed feedback like this is a dream. It's easily worth six figures to Dell. I'd argue that whether or not Dell actually has somebody who is incentivized and empowered to act on this is THE test of whether or not their corporate culture is broken. We may never know. In many companies the reaction would happen entirely behind the scenes. But I would strongly argue that actually contacting Dawid is by far the smartest thing to do. (Turning him into a consultant and effective brand ambassador would be the super smart thing to do, but that would be far beyond my expectations from Dell; Simply acting on his feedback is where my bar for Dell is.)
Before I got a pretty decent prebuilt from Canada Computers, I was considering Dell XPS to get a 30-series card. The more videos you post about your experience with Dell, the happier I am with my decision to go with Canada Computers. Not that I didn't have issues with their crappy customer service (they weren't accepting my credit card because... they suck? And then by the time I paid in a different way they had already literally sold and shipped MY PC to someone else so I had to wait over 3 months to get it), but at least I ended up with a decent computer. Might have a couple things I'll change over time (already upgraded the RAM), but the cable management is actually great, the PSU is good enough if I ever want to upgrade the CPU or GPU (for now I'm more than fine) and the only thing I can really think to upgrade is the CPU cooler.
You have done a fantastic job building your future Dawid. This content has always been high production and balanced professionalism, kinda in-between Gamers Nexus and Toasty Bros. Watching you work in that small space is remarkable, glad you were able to expand. Thank you for your contribution.
Solid video. We like to see big companies dragged out into the light screaming obscenities and dark secrets about cost saving measures. If we have to buy prebuilt to get a GPU, we might as well learn as much as we can about them.
Get the Vetroo V5 CPU Air Cooler w/ 5 Heat Pipes from Amazon, it's cheap price ($25 ) and does good at cooling and fits easily right on the motherboard. I tried a better fan on the rear and added 1 up front and without the side cover it still hit 100 c gaming with the Dell unit. After adding this cooler with the fans it maxed out at 78 c while gaming with the side cover on. It's a 10700 I7, 3060Ti Dell XPS 8940 Special Edition.
I have the same system/setup, without the extra front fan and my temps max out at 70C. The only thing I did different was use better paste on the Vetroo V5 (i.e. not the included paste).
@@craigdaurizio686 Dell didn't loan him anything, a person who happened to be an employee of Dell privately loaned it to him. As for what OP said, it's a good thing, he's trying to review the average customer experience, can't do that with special treatment, and honestly I feel like the coupon for the RAM upgrade was above and beyond what the normal user would ever see.
@@craigdaurizio686 yeah in the first video he did with this prebuilt, he said he went back and forth through several customer services for days at a time, and then dell reached out to him on twitter to fix it since hes a content creator. really bad look on dells part to prioritize content creators to get a bias opinion of their services. wish people looked into prebuilts more before ever buying dell so they'd be forced to actually make decent systems.
Great review. If you really want the most out of a dell system, you need to go with a Precision series workstation which is properly "Pro" grade vs XP's which is definitely "Pro-sumer"
You don't need to cut down the screws--just buy the correct 16mm M3 screws and the Noctua mounts easily. That's what I did. There's also another option now. Somebody on the Dell forums reported that the Vetroo V5 cooler doesn't require any additional screws or other hardware to install, and it costs less than the Noctua.
Yeah, those cooler mounts go back generations at this point - I bought a cheap little Arctic Alpine 12 LP cooler to fit to an old Dell Optiplex to replace the stock Intel (trash panda) cooler and had the same mounting problem - the Arctic has those little plastic push-and-turn clips, which don't work with Dell's proprietary cooler mounts. It is pure idiocy that Dell continues with those mountings.
actually, this video was not boring, i've upgraded a few of these systems and always wondered why Dell think this cooler is adequate...so, thank you for this video, it was actually really neat to watch!
Don't think so because tech representatives are waaay underpaid for hard multitasking nerve wrecking job they've got. It's fffkkking managers who dislike these videos!
We have some 2018 XPS desktops at the office with i7s, GTX 1080s, and 32 GB ram. They will faint under any prolonged engineering load.. almost immediately "freezing" and then the fan ramps up loudly a bit later (lol). It's like they value quiet over the PC actually being able to do work. But to be fair, most work PC buyers are shopping specs and price, so they have an incentive to put higher spec parts even if the cooler can't handle it.
Vrms don't necessarily need heatsinks. Even servers using 1000W of power don't need heatsinks on their vrms. They are useful for overclocking, but with normal consumer parts for normal office workload, the vrms don't need additional cooling.
It does i bought not knowing what i was buying its my first pc i bought some stick on vrm heatsinks but kinda worried ill screw it up oh well I gonna try and fix what I bought
Back 6 years ago I was employed with a multinational where we had to support DELL Laptops (Latitude E Series) and Desktops (Optiplexes) as an internal site based it team... The funniest thing was a Haswell-U ultrabook in the E7440 series (the i5 variant) that behaved very loud when stressed by the user (while docked on an E-Series Dock)... For this unit we had to call support 4 times in 4 months.... DELL replaced the internal power-dc-board, the battery, and in 2 different service calls both the fan assembly and the mainboard... Afterall it turned out that the fan assembly was put onto the board in a wrong way (actually the fan was not able to spin freely)... DELL only noticed that when they had to replace the board, because the board had issues by itself...
Thanks for the video. I liked the previous DellXPS videos anyway, but this is the perfect follow-up. And no. It was _not_ boring at all. The way you presented and edited it, made it at least as entertaining as all your other videos.
If anybody wants to do the upgrade, the Arctic freezer i13x fits without having to mess with the screws. The ones included fit straight into the cut-outs.
LN2 testing when? All jokes aside, this was a pretty good video to show the differences in both Single Channel vs Dual Channel, and different air coolers. Albeit the speeds on the ram weren't the same, the single channel stick was rated higher, so that might have given it a "better" fighting chance. And the air coolers, well, that part just makes sense. The cooler you can keep the die, the better performance you will get, and for a longer period of time. Keep up the good work, Dawid! Cheers!
It might be worth testing the "Throttlestop" application available from techpowerup. Its meant for laptops but can circumvent the max turbo time limits.
I bought the same config last month. Let’s just say if I’m playing COD I have to turn down the thermostat because it gets too hot in my room LOL. But I will say with the K cooler I won’t get over 89C in Cinebench and in COD and Forza Horizon 4 the most I ever saw was 80-85. I’ll probably still get a noctua cooler tho
Thats such good news. I was starting to get buyers remorse lol Have you noticed it thermal-throttling yours at all, or does it stay just cool enough that the performance stays consistent?
@@acewings221 no throttling, though the turbo boost only gets to 4.9ghz instead of 5.1, though im not too concerned about that. it does stay at 4.9 sustained though which is nice, and the gpu gets to about 80c max. however, i should say that the stock fans are EXTREMELY LOUD, to the point where i can hear them through my headset. ill be getting the nh-u9s and an nf-a9 for not only better temps but also noise. be aware that the psu is still only 500w with the 10900k and 3070 config, which is not ideal but its better than waiting god knows how long for a gpu. also on the K-series configs a vrm heatsink is included which is much better than the non-k skus and their uncooled vrms. plus with my student discount i got an extra $250 off so it ended up being a pretty good value. even though there's a lot of things i dont like about it i can definitely say that its a very good value rn with good performance and its the quickest and most surefire way to get a gpu rn
The ordering "mistake" of the Dell ram made by Anna also happened to me. I definitely ordered (Dell) ram for a desktop and NOT a laptop, and they sent me ram for a laptop. I managed to send the laptop ram back and they sent me the appropriate desktop ram. However, it took several phone calls to Dell (in India I presume), whereby I had to cancel the first order and reorder the desktop ram. It took about a month to achieve a result and receive the desktop ram.
I'd be interested to see what the thermals and performance is like with the new 11700 rather than the 10700. Dell are shipping these now. Just ordered mine with a 3060ti, BUT have ordered a new cpu cooler too ! :-)
i think you might have more videos then linus lol been watching your videos for a over a day just had a painful surgery trying to keep my mind off the pain thanks man your content is helping a lot
2004 I fully realized Dell's proprietary BS when they make their PC's. After a frustrating night with customer service, I decided to custom build my PC's moving forward. Best decision I made. Thanks Dell!
Awesome video mate!!! I recently brought a Dell XPS 8940 in New Zealand with a i7-10700K CPU and it still came with the ultra-budget cooler! (why Dell oh why do you do this!). Fair to say I'll be following up Dell to get a free upgrade to their premium luxury cooler. Wish me luck with Dell Customer Service. The good news is that I did get dual channel 2 x 8GB 2933 Mhz RAM with the original order To be honest, I might downgrade the CPU to a non-K SKU variant (i7-10700 or i9-10900) given that the motherboard can't overclock and not to mention no heatsync on the VRMs (I'll look to buy a heatsync to install). I only brought it as it was the only way to get my hands on a RTX 3070 at anywhere near the MSRP price (Dell had a 40% off end of financial year sale that made it worth while as well as a 7% Honey coupon) Keep up the good work Dawid as I'm really enjoying the content and your channel is one of my faves along with Tech Yes City, Phil's Computer Lab and Linus Tech Tips :-)
I had a fun job in down town Buffalo cleaning and upgrading computers at a law firm. I was paid $75 per computer. I cleaned and upgraded memory on 225 Dell computers. It took me a week because I had to go there. Each one could only be down for no more then 2 hours. All of theses Dell's have been running 24/7 for 3 years. Most sat on the carpet. I stripped every one out. Cleaned, replaced some case fans, and upgraded each with 2 sticks 512gb DDR2 memory. On one the CPU cooler fan wasn't working. Some how the PC was. All intel Celeron n4020. Dell for business use are tough as hell. But suck for gaming.
This is a great video. Between this and Linus sales & support debacle, Dell needs to go into the back room and have a word with itself. Really unacceptable standards.
Can confirm I have the same terrible stock cooler on an Alienware R11 and its loud when actually using the CPU at all. The 3090 card also has really loud fans. I think I am going to sell this and just build a custom machine.
For helping to remove that turbo time limit, I found that throttle stop works the best honestly. There is a way to completely turn off the time limit which I find to work more often than intels extremely tuning utility. And it gives you a lot more freedom in my opinion if you know how to use it. I recommend you use throttle stop instead of XTU. Just a note, sometimes you do need to download a plug-in with it but that can be found in FIVR
This video along with your previous video related this Dell prebuilt has been some of your best content and analysis to date~ Very helpful for so many people! Great job. - Also CZcams unsubscribed me from your channel for some reason... I just resubbed.
Did similar upgrades to my DELL G5 Desktop I bought 2 months ago. Made a video about it. Got the 10900F CPU and it came with the pos stock cooler. (3060Ti GPU). Add 92mm intake fans up front and upgrade the exhaust fan to 92mm. Made a HUGE difference. Also the noise the stock DELL fans are insanely loud. Noctua will quiet your case down by 5x. Though you lose your HDD which chokes the case of hot air. Right now my CPU temps under high load are below 70c. the 2nd intake fan also brought GPU temps down to low 70s. from 80s. Also didnt need to cut screws. I bought them off Amazon M3x20mm
I know people like to crap on Dell, and it's true that they should have provided better cooling. However the solution was a $25 fan upgrade (Vetroo V5, comes with proper screws in the box) and about 15 minutes of install time. Now things work great and I'm very happy with the computer (XPS 8940).
@@hipflipped Yeap! I originally had a Cooler Master T2. It worked great! Also less than $20. Honestly for the price I paid you couldnt find a better Deal than my DELL G5. Building my own with the cost of GPUs these days would of cost me $800 more.
@@MJ-uk6lu Depends which FX, but possibly. Especially the Ryzen APUs. I've tested single 8GB and Dual 8GB and the loss is enormous. Especially since 2GB go to VRAM. Intel isn't as bad, but still effected. Speed and dual channel for Ryzen is a must.
I really want to upgrade the cooler in my 10-year-old XPS 8500, but I can't because of the reasons you talk about @ 10:45 . In fact, I read that the backplate of the stock cooler in this particular model is firmly glued to the motherboard. It would have been awesome to show us more about the practical process of replacing the cooler.
Alright, I installed the Vetroo V5 cooler and ran a couple of quick tests. It should be noted that installation is a snap, as others have mentioned - it's trivial to line up the screws with the built-in mount points and get it installed, and the order you're supposed to tighten the screws in is printed right on the motherboard. The fan is kind of funky to put on, which is my only (minor) complaint. Anyway, I ran an encode in Handbrake, and it never got above 70 degrees. Then I ran a torture test using Prime95 (default settings), and though it got up to about 80 in the first few minutes and spiked momentarily to 88, it settled in at the same 70 degree mark and stayed right around there for the rest of the test. The Vetroo is much, much less expensive than the fancy Dell cooler, and it's more readily available. Even if you didn't like the Vetroo fan and replaced it with a Noctua (using the Vetroo heat sink), you're still spending a less, and you don't have to go through the apparent hassle that installing a full Noctua cooling solution seems to be with this board.
That is exactly my experience. Vetroo V5 installed easy, cools greatly (tops out at 70c in cinebench) and was only $25. Fans could be easier to install, but still only took me a minute or two to figure it out. Can't recommend the Vetroo cooler enough.
@@hipflipped Yeah, I definitely don't mean to oversell the difficulty of putting the fan on. It's weird, but it only took a couple of minutes to get that part done - definitely less time than even screwing the heatsink to the mount points. I did a dry run before installing the heatsink to make sure I knew how it was supposed to work, which made it a lot easier when I was doing it for real in a much tighter space with less forgiving angles.
@@ReticentDuet Yeah, I did "dry run" on the fan install too, to make sure I understood how they clip on. It was still kind of a pain to do when the fan was mounted, but still only a minute or two of fussing with it.
I upgraded my Dell XPS with the Noctua cooler, I used M3 16mm screws it works great. I also added a second 92mm fan to the cooler and replaced the system fan with a 92mm fan, much better system temps all around. My only wish is that I could fit a fan of any size at the bottom front of the case to get some airflow to the graphics card but there doesn't seem to be any space without significant case mods. The GPU in mine is a 2070 Super so it goes all the way to the front of the case, meaning that I'd have to cut up the front panel to even think about fitting a fan in there.
Which noctua cooler did you use i am going to do same upgrades to mine I have 1660super so I can fir a fan where you are talking about but its hard to know what cooler to get I bought a cooler master 212 evo but it looks way to big
@@davist-mq5db For CPU cooler I used the NH-U9S 92mm. As for the upgraded system fan it was NF-A9 92mm. When you detach the stock dell computer you essentially just stack the Noctua hardware on top and thread through the M3 16mm screws(I saw a post on the dell forums suggesting 14mm but those are hard to find at a hardware store.), you won't use the noctua backplate. I do recommend getting M3 washers just to spread the point of contact out at the top of the mounting hardware, as my screw heads were small.
NOT boring at all. For us not as savvy as others this helps A LOT for us to decide on what to buy that's best for the money spent. Thanks and a big THUMBS UP!
You say this is a boring video but I waited all morning to see my favorite CZcamsr make a video on something interesting that I wouldn't have otherwise explored :) great video as always, can't wait to see you hit 1mill
I've been messing with a G5 5000 (appears to have identical internal hardware to this model), and using ThrottleStop with some cooling mods, the 10700F will happily sit at 140W/4.6GHz (all cores) indefinitely. Temperatures get a bit dicey if it's under GPU load as well, but that's probably solvable with better case fans/some fan curve tuning. Cooling changes: replaced the stock CPU cooler with a Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO (Amazon had one for £9 vs. £59 for the Noctua NH-U9S, and there are guides online for the screws you need), added a VRM heatsink (official Dell from AliExpress), replaced the back 80mm fan with a 92mm fan, ziptied a 92mm fan to the front intake grill. Fans are just old ones out of a NAS, but they're fairly quiet with the stock Dell fan curve.
The reason they follow Intel's thermal limits is because of that cheap ass triple mosfet power section, with ZERO cooling on it... They'd cook if you turned the power limits off totally.
@@ianrobertson3419 And those K chips would overheat even more, because their TDP is much higher than non K chips and those VRMs will be frying or throttling(no heatsink, no airflow if tower cooler). Not that Dell actually cares about making decent computers.
Dell: *Cuts corners on literally everything Gamers & PC enthusiasts: Dell stop your ruining your computers and bottlenecking your PC's performance Dell: *Pretends the backlash doesn't exist and continues ruining performance and upgradability.
Any single individual buying from them at this point without knowing what they're getting ahead of time deserves to be taken advantage of. They're a scumbag company and their products reflect as much.
Funny thing about that horrible cooler, is they are still using it. I bought the next generation XPS with the i7 11700 CPU and that was the cooler they had installed on it. I upgraded to a Noctua NH-D9L CPU cooler and added an intake fan. A year later, I upgraded the ram to 32GB dual channel from the 16GB dual channel, which I had to buy two different kits to find one that worked and it will only run at 2666 MHz. I also took and upgraded the small nVME drive to a WD Black SN850X 2TB nvme drive and because Dell just reused the boards from the 10th gen CPU's with an updated BIOS, this drive is limited to only 900MB/s max speeds on a drive rated for up to 7300MB/s. The only reason I bought this PC when I did was it was the only way to get a new video card at a decent price.
Dell: It appears Dawid was not pleased with our offerings. Dell Rep: I won't fail you next time, my lord. Dawid will be yours. Dell: There wont be a next time. Dell Rep: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Dell: I don't care what it takes! Make Dawid like our sucky computers, or you shall be next! *Dell Reps rush out of the cave in panic, bumping against each other, their wings flapping erratically.
I work on these under warranty for my job. I think that unit should have the optional VRM cooler also. you can see the screw bosses on the motherboard for it. Maybe try again if you can get a hold of it. If nothing else will extend the life of the PC.
I think it would be interesting to see how those improved Cinebench scores translate to realworld actions. How much fast does it say render a video, or a big audacity file etc
Cinebench is a real-world demonstration, it's actually just a tool to demonstrate the power of Cinema 4D, and what's great about it is you can see the scores and there are massive online databases of cinebench scores to refer to.
I bought a Dell G5 5000 desktop awhile back , looks very similar to the internals on this one, and same issue with that tiny little stock cooler. I was actually hitting 95-101C when gaming at medium settings. After some research I was recommended the same Noctura NH-U9S shown in this video, and recommended to use M3x16mm screws to mount it (they fit correctly at 16mm, no need to dremel), and it installed perfectly. Now under heavy load I'm only reaching low 70C temperatures (73C specifically is the highest I've seen) which is an incredible difference compared to the ~99C-101C that I had previously seen. Though I should add that I also bought a couple 92mm Noctura case fans and a Y-split as well (both running on same header), replaced the stock exhaust fan in the rear and made room for an intake in the front (ended up just using cable ties in the front). Overall I'm now quite happy with the performance, especially at the price point. I bought the machine at a huge discount and at current parts prices it was actually significantly cheaper than if I had pieced it together part-by-part. That said it does suck that Dell uses so many proprietary parts, and while I don't really plan to upgrade much (instead will likely just buy an entire new system in ~5 years or so) it's concerning to imagine replacement scenarios. Typically over the ~5 year span that I use a system, I end up replacing the PSU at least once, sometimes twice, so hopefully it won't be too difficult to get my hands on a compatible PSU if and when the time comes (have not looked into this at all yet, just a topical concern) In summary I'll say that if you can get one of these Dell systems cheap enough (do your research and compare prices) and are willing to put in an additional ~$50-100 for an aftermarket heatsink/case fans, then it's not a bad way to go if the price is right.
So mine came with an i9-11900k and a 3070, I got the premium cooler and I had the same heat issues. if you crack the case open it will drop significantly. One place I stepped up was the back exhaust fan. It has holes for a 92MM fan so I put a Noctua NF-a9 in. I then removed the front drive cage. Mine has the m.2 but there is a cage up top as well if you have an SSD. On a bench it will put to 100 but dropped my games into the 75C range for the cpu and the GPU stays roughly the same with the case shut. My benches went up a small amount, it did improve my throttling and it idles at lot cooler as well.
You gotta love the couch "experts" who know everything on a CZcams comment...... It's almost as if you just need to tell them to sit at the back of the class and carry on eating the glue :-) :-)
I agree, the cooler on that thing does not look very good. Gosh, the cooler on my old Optiplex is huge compared to that little thing. But it also limits the size of my graphics card to a single slot only. :(
No need to go with the expensive coolers. Just go to amazon, ebay or newegg and buy the "Vetroo V5" cooler. Its performance within a few degrees of the noctua, costs only $25 and fits the Dell XPS 8940 perfectly. No need to dremel screws or mess around with backplates. The Vetroo fits right into the pre-existing mounting holes. The inexpensive cooler (vetroo) looks nicer than the more expensive ones (you can get it in black or white) and has brought my cinebench scores way up and CPU temps way down (20-30 degrees.) I really wanted to buy the official dell "fancy cooler", but am now glad I didn't.
The easiest solution: don't buy a pre-built. Unfortunately, buying a pre-built these days might be the only way to get a decent GPU without paying scalper prices.
I've assembled five computers for myself over the years, but this time around I got a prebuilt SkyTech Legacy with a 3070 and SSD, and it's a much better system than I could have put together from parts for the same amount of money.
Good upgrade, you did basically what I did. Couple of points: Upgrade the rear fan to a 92mm. You're taking heat from the CPU into the case more efficiently now with the U9S, but then you need to get it out of the case too. Consider a VRM heatsink. The new perpendicular fan mounting of the U9S doesn't blow air over the board as much as the OEM one. The 'k' variant Dells have a VRM heatsink too. Try 'Throttlestop' software to give better control of the boost and power limits than the Intel software. I agree that the low budget cooler is an awful design decision. I disagree that the mounting is bad, I think they did a good job with that. It's better than attaching the heavy heatsink to the motherboard, much more secure. Plus it gives thermal conduction through to the case. I've been in touch with Noctua, and they say they're going to look into officially supporting OEM systems like this. PS How hard is it to order screws that are the right length?? I went for 18mm, because I also put retaining washers in to stop them from coming loose.
Agree about the mounting in the XPS 8940. When mounting my Vetroo V5, which came with the proper screws, the built in mount (backplate as part of case) provided a very stable situation (which I guess relieves actual pressure on the MB, probably not a bad thing at all.)
This was a great video. Thanks for making it. I ordered the same cpu cooler . Should get it soon. Very informative video and thank you for calling out dell for there cheaper coolers.
@@mr_watery_watermelons9779 Its true, the intel stock cooler is far better than this garbage piece if shit from dell, dell are the worst company you could possibly buy from
Thanks for a great follow up, really enjoyed the video. I am curious if you thought about testing the cooler in single channel mode. I know for sure Dual is faster but curious if the CPU not choking itself can make up a bit more of the deficit running under the premium or Noctua coolers.
I loved this test, please keep doing it, most of dell hardware is just like that, all the optiplex full tower models that i know of have this termal throttling limitation and aren`t all that "well mounted"
It is for, high TDP processors. 10040 has 65W TDP, so it gets cooler rated for 65W. It was fine up to 8th gen (My work PC has similar one with 8500, and it works fine without overheating ), but Dell now has a significant stockpile of cheap 65W cooler to sell.
@@tyaty so you're saying Dell only puts those crappy coolers in their systems to clear their inventory of them, and that they aren't really rated for 65W
@@volactic8495 Those coolers were rated for 65W pre-.8th gen quad-core CPU-s. Intel started to calculate their DPS differently when 6/8 core mainstream CPU-s appeared. A 10400F is much hotter in practice compared to an i5-7600.
I love Dell, got a G5 computer at less then 40% of MSRP because it had these same problems. Put mine in dual channel, aftermarket cooler (did a custom bracket to mate with the proprietary mount) with 2 extra fans and it preforms awesome for its price point.
I bought the "premium" cooler and the VRM heat sink for mine and together they were less than 50$(US). I considered them an absolute MUST for my box considering it has an i9 10900 under the hood. The puck throttled just loading programs let alone with heavy work loads.
Would the Dell Premium Cooler work better if there was a cooling fan mounted to it? If yes has anyone done that and do you have a video? Will just adding a fan in place of the vertical hard-drive mounting location in the front of the case do the same thing?
You should get the acer nitro loser suckface edition cooler and Dell's pancake cpu cooler and perhaps others like HP etc go face to face on which one sucks the most..perhaps you could stack them with compound inbetween to improve temperatures!
I think you did more than prove "bad cpu coolers are bad". You proved that Dell, one of the biggest PC manufactures in the world thinks it's fine to nerf the performance, stability and longevity of their computers to save what... 50 cents on some heat pipes on an EIGHT CORE FOURTEENnm INTEL CPU...? There's no excuse for that, I'm sure there are huge margins in these PCs, or just make the customer pay the extra 50 cents?! And this is only exhibit A in the people vs. Dell class action law suit... single channel ram... GREY METAL INTERIOR? pffffft......
I completely agree. Like I said in the video, I tested with an ambient temp of 19.5c in a brand new system. Best case scenario and it still falls apart with any load on the CPU. I would be happy to an extra 50 cents for the bigger cooler (Which itself isn't really good enough).
Timmy Joe, we all know that in north bay, or wherever you hail from is so damn cold, that cpu coolers work way less hard when your house is freezing cold. Dont you put computers into deep freeze freezers for benchmarking anyhow?
You are making it sound like 14nm is beefy and good....
Meanwhile competitors have reached 7nm and 5nm...
@@Kasmuller no it's hot really hot at this point that's my point
@@Kasmuller Der8auer already debunked what 14nm of Intel and 7nm TSMC mean. There's no a single thing in those lithographies actually that small. And Intel's 14nm was equal to TSMC's 7nm.
Dawid: "Dual channel memory improves performance."
N00Bs: "uH nO iT DoESn'T"
Dawid: *Aww shit here we go again.*
I know right. This happens everytime. 😂
You know the only people that say that are the ones that bought a 32GB single channel kit cause it was cheaper, and now feel stupid so they try to justify their decisions lol
I really love the flex of using 2x4gb sticks of 2666
@@gdrumeller Pretty much. Of all the things you could cheap out on too. The difference between dual channel and single channel is such a trivial price gap. Congrats! You saved 10-20 bucks? Even in a budget build it makes no sense for how much performance you are losing vs. whatever you could possibly put that saved money towards.
Heck even filling up all 4 slots of your motherboard even if it runs at dual channel have slight improvements compared to 2 sticks of RAM. Bunch of noobs speak out of ignorance.
Fact : the video wasn't boring at all cause I've been waiting for it for a while
Same! Gut check for Dell's business model and how they really treat consumers.
Dawid is the most entertaining tech-tuber imo when he uploads its a good day
same here
Yep, I clicked as soon as I saw the upload.
@@elliottd323 Yeah, one of the few in this space that can entertain me as much as LTT imo
He deserves more subs
The 3 dislikes are from the Dell rep that told Dawid dual channel memory made no difference, their mom and grandmom.
2 extra from the guy who claimed that the CPU is only overheating if it is on flames - as well as his spouse.
and now their boss and the bosses wife (who he made add a dislike)
I disliked for getting rid of that awesome intro. A message must be sent.
LMAO!!! you're probably right! They hate it when you don't just buy their bullshit and hate it even more when you show your work to the world and curb stomp their asses. Like cock roaches when the light is flipped on.
@@DrearierSpider1 I agree, its awesome, but theres a pretty significant dip in retention during the intro which isn't good from an algorithmic standpoint. He did shorten the intro once but it just didn't feel right.
Though there is a chance he simply forgot this time
Dawid finally getting that luxury cooler:
Finally, inner peace
But does he have to send it back? Dell is just loaning him the cooler.
Yip. Looool. We have to send it back now that the tests are done 😂
Well, the take away here is Dawid's kung-fu is strong. Dell tried some janky shit and showed ALOT of people their true colors because of this video IMO. The sore thumb I can't cover here is their ram price, that's just a huge steaming pile of greasy bullshit. I'll build custom PC's for my wife's business when it's upgrade time again.(if the toilet paper apocalypses is over and prices get back to normal by then.) All her Office PC's and server are Dell and they have been great. Apparently Dell went in the dumpster since 2017.
@@ronguin7062 dell has been good for office computers because it's hard to fuck up making those, gaming PC's on the other hand, yeaaahh alot of OEMs cut too many corners to increase margins and with dell outsourcing it's customer service centers to India, using proprietary crap, using single channel, using crap cooler and probably a bunch of other things it's obvious profit weighs quite heavily into how they design theirs gaming rigs
@@lenwitte Yeah I have to send it back. 😂 Its not a problem though, the Noctua cooler is going to stay on there.
2:35, yo this Anna chick needs to not be such a noob 😅
I'm sure doesn't mind being thrown under the bus though I think it's about time for another taser video.
True, if she has a husband or boyfriend or something, maybe he can help her figure it out.
I feel like no one will acknowledge that you are the Anna he was talking about
@Tano for some reason when you said just return it I thought you were telling dawid to return anna to dell....
@@rahulchandra152 - Aw, you said the quiet part out loud!
Dell's test for cooling solutions: Has the CPU turned into a puddle of molten glass? No - Acceptable Cooler!
pretty much
Dawid if you ever have to cut screws again, put a nut on the screw and when it's removed it will Help save the threads.
Yeah, thanks for saving me the trouble of mentioning that. Makes it so much easier...
Yeah, I always do that. Although since I attach the screw to a mini vise for the cutting, it's almost a necessity.
Even better, put 2 nuts on and tighten them against each other so that they don't move away when working on it.
Dawid, thanks for sharing your experience with Dell concerning what appeared to be an incorrect RAM card. My six year old Dell XPS8700 died about a month ago. Tried troubleshooting the easy fixes but none helped. Looked around for a PC with specs I wanted with quick ship. Settled on an XPS8940 i7 with 16GB RAM (2933MHz) and other upgrades. System shipped in 4 days but took FedEx 5 days to delivery. PC started up with no problems and I spent the next two weeks loading software and recovering data. Noticed Dell had a sale on RAM so I ordered another 16GB RAM this time 3200MHz because it was $10 less than the 2933MHz. Installed the new RAM and used Crucial's scan to make sure RAM was working. The scan indicated two RAM cards were installed. One 3200MHz (the new one) and one 2666MHz (the one shipped in the PC). Where did the 2666MHz come from? Dell shipped the wrong RAM. So that began the nightmare trying to get the RAM I paid for and the RAM that is shown on all the paperwork. Much as you reported I was bounced from Tech Support to Customer / Order support back to Tech Support and still do not have the issue resolved. Customer support said I could return the computer and they would ship a new one. Sure, I had spent about three weeks recovering from the XPS8700 that died. Was not going to return the XPS8940. Then Customer Support offered a $50 coupon so I could buy what was then $180 2933MHz RAM. After another week I chatted with Customer Support and they said I should get in touch with Tech Support which is similar to the handing off I saw when I first contacted Dell to resolve this issue. Bottom line is do not trust Dell. They apparently have little quality control and trying to resolve an issue is impossible. I would return the XPS8940 but after spending a month recovering from the failed XPS8700, I will keep the XPS8940 and will purchase another 16GB RAM 2933MHz from another company and when I next need a PC it will not be a Dell. Anyone considering purchasing from Dell, be prepared to get the runaround from them if you have a problem. Suggest you consider other manufacturers.
A decent cooler and a dual-channel ram: the Grial of the prebuilt systems.
And often shitty psu's
@@erlend1554 And custom motherboards
@@tyrosine87 and slow ssds or hdds
It would be so easy to make a prebuilt that doesn't suck, but I guess profit margins are more important.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff i thought your alienware review showed good promise
Who “loans” someone a CPU HS/F? What the hell is wrong with Dell?
everything is wrong with them. They're just a terrible company for prebuilt pcs and computers in general for that matter
youre right when it comes to their prebuilt / towers , their laptops are all right imo
@@maxmoors They’re like, “We hate PCs but love money, let’s become the worlds largest maker of prebuilt PCs”
Literally everything.
Cost more in shipping To & From then that hunk of nonsense is even worth....Way to be Dell.
I like the simple tests and straightforward thorough explanations Dawid gives. I'm glad I subbed.
He'll be even happier if you become a Patron.
Prebuilt starter pack:
Single channel RAM
Crappy cooler
Low quality proprietary motherboard
PSU that doubles as a bomb
😂👍🏻
Also a very restricted BIOS. When it comes to prebuilt gaming PCs from big-volume OEMs, the computer will definitely run a cheap blower graphics card built to a minimum specification.
And a PSU with proprietary cabling so you can't even upgrade it. Or proprietary form factors, looking at you HP :-/
@@pdamasco only in smallers (usff or sff), succesfully replaced hp crap psu to seasonic atx in some 2014 hp small tower.
Only hdd with 128gb of storage but avertised as ultra gaming pc
Really surprised the results were that far apart honestly. Good info, as I find myself upgrading old XPS’s for people a lot more than I’d like.
You tell 'em, Dawid! Dell are sure to learn a valuable lesson!
(Dell will do nothing with this information)
nah they will learn from it, just in a way to nerf performance even more
@@walkingmadnesscrawlingsanity Dell: Okay, we're tuning PL2 down to 65W and PL1 to 45W!
For most companies, getting detailed feedback like this is a dream. It's easily worth six figures to Dell. I'd argue that whether or not Dell actually has somebody who is incentivized and empowered to act on this is THE test of whether or not their corporate culture is broken.
We may never know. In many companies the reaction would happen entirely behind the scenes. But I would strongly argue that actually contacting Dawid is by far the smartest thing to do. (Turning him into a consultant and effective brand ambassador would be the super smart thing to do, but that would be far beyond my expectations from Dell; Simply acting on his feedback is where my bar for Dell is.)
damn the word throttling suddenly makes me anxious for no reason
Before I got a pretty decent prebuilt from Canada Computers, I was considering Dell XPS to get a 30-series card. The more videos you post about your experience with Dell, the happier I am with my decision to go with Canada Computers.
Not that I didn't have issues with their crappy customer service (they weren't accepting my credit card because... they suck? And then by the time I paid in a different way they had already literally sold and shipped MY PC to someone else so I had to wait over 3 months to get it), but at least I ended up with a decent computer. Might have a couple things I'll change over time (already upgraded the RAM), but the cable management is actually great, the PSU is good enough if I ever want to upgrade the CPU or GPU (for now I'm more than fine) and the only thing I can really think to upgrade is the CPU cooler.
You have done a fantastic job building your future Dawid. This content has always been high production and balanced professionalism, kinda in-between Gamers Nexus and Toasty Bros. Watching you work in that small space is remarkable, glad you were able to expand. Thank you for your contribution.
Solid video. We like to see big companies dragged out into the light screaming obscenities and dark secrets about cost saving measures. If we have to buy prebuilt to get a GPU, we might as well learn as much as we can about them.
Love the "Acer Nitro Suckface edition" quote at the end XD
Little Looser Cooler😂
we should try to get acer to actually call a product that
That part made me laugh well after the video was done.
Just had to make it clear that I'm not singling Dell out. 😂
I own a acer nitro suckface edition :) :(
"looser nitro suck face edition" :) Love the names you give terrible products
Get the Vetroo V5 CPU Air Cooler w/ 5 Heat Pipes from Amazon, it's cheap price ($25 ) and does good at cooling and fits easily right on the motherboard. I tried a better fan on the rear and added 1 up front and without the side cover it still hit 100 c gaming with the Dell unit. After adding this cooler with the fans it maxed out at 78 c while gaming with the side cover on. It's a 10700 I7, 3060Ti Dell XPS 8940 Special Edition.
I have the same system/setup, without the extra front fan and my temps max out at 70C. The only thing I did different was use better paste on the Vetroo V5 (i.e. not the included paste).
I just got the dell Xps and want to confirm that this actually fits
@@pumpkinman2343 yes it fits and it's an easy fix for it.
You are person who made me buy second ram stick to become dual channel lord
The Rule of Two: "There may only be dual-channel RAM"
-the Sith
I love how delp are keeping up with your videos but still manage to give you shit customer services
Bwuahhah I know right? Loaned him a cooler, how generous of them on a system that comes with a cooler that runs games at 90C+ and throttles ROFL 😂
@@craigdaurizio686 Dell didn't loan him anything, a person who happened to be an employee of Dell privately loaned it to him. As for what OP said, it's a good thing, he's trying to review the average customer experience, can't do that with special treatment, and honestly I feel like the coupon for the RAM upgrade was above and beyond what the normal user would ever see.
@@gdrumeller at 0:18 he says it's a Dell representative, i.e. a person at Dell's PR
@@gdrumeller Ah right, that looks even worse on Dell. They seem to have horrible customer service.
@@craigdaurizio686 yeah in the first video he did with this prebuilt, he said he went back and forth through several customer services for days at a time, and then dell reached out to him on twitter to fix it since hes a content creator. really bad look on dells part to prioritize content creators to get a bias opinion of their services. wish people looked into prebuilts more before ever buying dell so they'd be forced to actually make decent systems.
Very interesting video. I'm glad we're finally giving prebuilts thorough research. Shining some lights on their systems and processes.
Great review. If you really want the most out of a dell system, you need to go with a Precision series workstation which is properly "Pro" grade vs XP's which is definitely "Pro-sumer"
You don't need to cut down the screws--just buy the correct 16mm M3 screws and the Noctua mounts easily. That's what I did. There's also another option now. Somebody on the Dell forums reported that the Vetroo V5 cooler doesn't require any additional screws or other hardware to install, and it costs less than the Noctua.
Man, I've been building computers myself for so long I forgot how many shortcuts some system integrators take. Wild.
Great video, enlightening!
Yeah, those cooler mounts go back generations at this point - I bought a cheap little Arctic Alpine 12 LP cooler to fit to an old Dell Optiplex to replace the stock Intel (trash panda) cooler and had the same mounting problem - the Arctic has those little plastic push-and-turn clips, which don't work with Dell's proprietary cooler mounts. It is pure idiocy that Dell continues with those mountings.
I know right! It's such a small design thing that really makes a big difference.
to be fair, nothing NOTHING uses push pins anymore, except for intels basic trash stock coolers ..
@@WaschBaer__ you'd be surprised the number of cheap, awful coolers that still use those pins.
actually, this video was not boring, i've upgraded a few of these systems and always wondered why Dell think this cooler is adequate...so, thank you for this video, it was actually really neat to watch!
Hi Dawid. I had one of those terrible coolers in my pc also. I was able to switch it out myself thanks to your videos, Much appreciated.
The 7 people that disliked are probably from dell customer service
Don't think so because tech representatives are waaay underpaid for hard multitasking nerve wrecking job they've got.
It's fffkkking managers who dislike these videos!
We have some 2018 XPS desktops at the office with i7s, GTX 1080s, and 32 GB ram. They will faint under any prolonged engineering load.. almost immediately "freezing" and then the fan ramps up loudly a bit later (lol). It's like they value quiet over the PC actually being able to do work. But to be fair, most work PC buyers are shopping specs and price, so they have an incentive to put higher spec parts even if the cooler can't handle it.
time to install some new coolers, I bet they have the same tiny coolers on them
I'm surprised the vrms on that dell board aren't throttling, it looks like it has a screw mount for a vrm heatsink but it doesn't have a heatsink
Vrms don't necessarily need heatsinks. Even servers using 1000W of power don't need heatsinks on their vrms. They are useful for overclocking, but with normal consumer parts for normal office workload, the vrms don't need additional cooling.
@Tano And VRMs are reliable for a long time if they are under 85C usually. That Dell might literally die after 3 years due to excessive VRM heating.
It does i bought not knowing what i was buying its my first pc i bought some stick on vrm heatsinks but kinda worried ill screw it up oh well I gonna try and fix what I bought
Back 6 years ago I was employed with a multinational where we had to support DELL Laptops (Latitude E Series) and Desktops (Optiplexes) as an internal site based it team...
The funniest thing was a Haswell-U ultrabook in the E7440 series (the i5 variant) that behaved very loud when stressed by the user (while docked on an E-Series Dock)... For this unit we had to call support 4 times in 4 months.... DELL replaced the internal power-dc-board, the battery, and in 2 different service calls both the fan assembly and the mainboard...
Afterall it turned out that the fan assembly was put onto the board in a wrong way (actually the fan was not able to spin freely)... DELL only noticed that when they had to replace the board, because the board had issues by itself...
Dawid and disaster prebulits just goes together like peanut butter and jelly
Thanks for the video.
I liked the previous DellXPS videos anyway, but this is the perfect follow-up.
And no. It was _not_ boring at all. The way you presented and edited it, made it at least as entertaining as all your other videos.
Out of curiosity, I sampled the Skillshare thing. They are the stock Dell cooler of online education.
Their content has varying quality.
@@tyaty I've never seen content that bad that someone was willing to charge for. I'll admit, I only looked into their STEM offerings.
If anybody wants to do the upgrade, the Arctic freezer i13x fits without having to mess with the screws. The ones included fit straight into the cut-outs.
Yess literally waiting for this video!!
Was about to comment the same thing.
Same
Me also
I am going to upgrade my xps but kinda worried ill screw it up
LN2 testing when?
All jokes aside, this was a pretty good video to show the differences in both Single Channel vs Dual Channel, and different air coolers. Albeit the speeds on the ram weren't the same, the single channel stick was rated higher, so that might have given it a "better" fighting chance. And the air coolers, well, that part just makes sense. The cooler you can keep the die, the better performance you will get, and for a longer period of time. Keep up the good work, Dawid! Cheers!
It might be worth testing the "Throttlestop" application available from techpowerup. Its meant for laptops but can circumvent the max turbo time limits.
Man I just ordered an XPS with a 10900k and rtx 3070. Wonder if i can use my XPS to roast marshmallows
Get that fire extinguisher ready!
I bought the same config last month. Let’s just say if I’m playing COD I have to turn down the thermostat because it gets too hot in my room LOL. But I will say with the K cooler I won’t get over 89C in Cinebench and in COD and Forza Horizon 4 the most I ever saw was 80-85. I’ll probably still get a noctua cooler tho
@@TastySteaak The heat aside your ears will thank you aswell.
Thats such good news. I was starting to get buyers remorse lol
Have you noticed it thermal-throttling yours at all, or does it stay just cool enough that the performance stays consistent?
@@acewings221 no throttling, though the turbo boost only gets to 4.9ghz instead of 5.1, though im not too concerned about that. it does stay at 4.9 sustained though which is nice, and the gpu gets to about 80c max. however, i should say that the stock fans are EXTREMELY LOUD, to the point where i can hear them through my headset. ill be getting the nh-u9s and an nf-a9 for not only better temps but also noise. be aware that the psu is still only 500w with the 10900k and 3070 config, which is not ideal but its better than waiting god knows how long for a gpu. also on the K-series configs a vrm heatsink is included which is much better than the non-k skus and their uncooled vrms. plus with my student discount i got an extra $250 off so it ended up being a pretty good value. even though there's a lot of things i dont like about it i can definitely say that its a very good value rn with good performance and its the quickest and most surefire way to get a gpu rn
The ordering "mistake" of the Dell ram made by Anna also happened to me.
I definitely ordered (Dell) ram for a desktop and NOT a laptop, and they sent me
ram for a laptop.
I managed to send the laptop ram back and they sent me the appropriate desktop ram.
However, it took several phone calls to Dell (in India I presume), whereby I had to cancel
the first order and reorder the desktop ram. It took about a month to achieve a result
and receive the desktop ram.
I'd be interested to see what the thermals and performance is like with the new 11700 rather than the 10700. Dell are shipping these now. Just ordered mine with a 3060ti, BUT have ordered a new cpu cooler too ! :-)
i think you might have more videos then linus lol been watching your videos for a over a day just had a painful surgery trying to keep my mind off the pain thanks man your content is helping a lot
2004 I fully realized Dell's proprietary BS when they make their PC's. After a frustrating night with customer service, I decided to custom build my PC's moving forward. Best decision I made. Thanks Dell!
But when you have GPU double retail price and these dell arseholes still have stock?
Awesome video mate!!! I recently brought a Dell XPS 8940 in New Zealand with a i7-10700K CPU and it still came with the ultra-budget cooler! (why Dell oh why do you do this!). Fair to say I'll be following up Dell to get a free upgrade to their premium luxury cooler. Wish me luck with Dell Customer Service. The good news is that I did get dual channel 2 x 8GB 2933 Mhz RAM with the original order
To be honest, I might downgrade the CPU to a non-K SKU variant (i7-10700 or i9-10900) given that the motherboard can't overclock and not to mention no heatsync on the VRMs (I'll look to buy a heatsync to install). I only brought it as it was the only way to get my hands on a RTX 3070 at anywhere near the MSRP price (Dell had a 40% off end of financial year sale that made it worth while as well as a 7% Honey coupon)
Keep up the good work Dawid as I'm really enjoying the content and your channel is one of my faves along with Tech Yes City, Phil's Computer Lab and Linus Tech Tips :-)
It would be interesting to see how the Dell premium cooler performs with a fan connected to it.
It already has a fan?
There's a fan in the middle of the fins.
The black middle part is the fan.
how about 2 extra?
I had a fun job in down town Buffalo cleaning and upgrading computers at a law firm. I was paid $75 per computer. I cleaned and upgraded memory on 225 Dell computers. It took me a week because I had to go there. Each one could only be down for no more then 2 hours. All of theses Dell's have been running 24/7 for 3 years. Most sat on the carpet. I stripped every one out. Cleaned, replaced some case fans, and upgraded each with 2 sticks 512gb DDR2 memory. On one the CPU cooler fan wasn't working. Some how the PC was. All intel Celeron n4020. Dell for business use are tough as hell. But suck for gaming.
This is a great video. Between this and Linus sales & support debacle, Dell needs to go into the back room and have a word with itself. Really unacceptable standards.
Can confirm I have the same terrible stock cooler on an Alienware R11 and its loud when actually using the CPU at all. The 3090 card also has really loud fans. I think I am going to sell this and just build a custom machine.
Sell *read scalp* the card alone, then the rest of the system
AYO FINNA MAKE ME ACT UP SHEEESH THAT COOLER LOOKING FINE AS HELL
Should I call an ambulance? It appears you’ve had a stroke.
@@wordsmith451 I believe you should.
You didn't make a mess with the thermal paste again, did you?
@@benbarnhart4460 you mean, his own thermal paste that he makes?
@@DeerJerky Whatever doesn't short his circuit. I don't judge..............
For helping to remove that turbo time limit, I found that throttle stop works the best honestly. There is a way to completely turn off the time limit which I find to work more often than intels extremely tuning utility. And it gives you a lot more freedom in my opinion if you know how to use it. I recommend you use throttle stop instead of XTU. Just a note, sometimes you do need to download a plug-in with it but that can be found in FIVR
I tried throttle stop and my cinemark score went up by 500(!). Temperatures were good (topped out at 71C) due to using a good cooler (Vetroo V5).
Dawid uploads = 8 minutes ago
me = *clicking so many times that my mouse died*
CZcams = loading
me = ;-;
This video along with your previous video related this Dell prebuilt has been some of your best content and analysis to date~ Very helpful for so many people! Great job. - Also CZcams unsubscribed me from your channel for some reason... I just resubbed.
Can you now show us how to fix the dell. VRM cooling Cpu Cooling. better fans etc etc
Did similar upgrades to my DELL G5 Desktop I bought 2 months ago. Made a video about it. Got the 10900F CPU and it came with the pos stock cooler. (3060Ti GPU). Add 92mm intake fans up front and upgrade the exhaust fan to 92mm. Made a HUGE difference. Also the noise the stock DELL fans are insanely loud. Noctua will quiet your case down by 5x. Though you lose your HDD which chokes the case of hot air.
Right now my CPU temps under high load are below 70c. the 2nd intake fan also brought GPU temps down to low 70s. from 80s.
Also didnt need to cut screws. I bought them off Amazon M3x20mm
I know people like to crap on Dell, and it's true that they should have provided better cooling. However the solution was a $25 fan upgrade (Vetroo V5, comes with proper screws in the box) and about 15 minutes of install time. Now things work great and I'm very happy with the computer (XPS 8940).
@@hipflipped Yeap! I originally had a Cooler Master T2. It worked great! Also less than $20. Honestly for the price I paid you couldnt find a better Deal than my DELL G5. Building my own with the cost of GPUs these days would of cost me $800 more.
I build PCs for a living. There's definetly a major performance loss in single channel haha. Especially Ryzen.
I wonder if proper FX config (2 1866MHz sticks + turbo on) could beat crippled Ryzen (1 2133MHz stick + turbo off)
@@MJ-uk6lu Depends which FX, but possibly. Especially the Ryzen APUs. I've tested single 8GB and Dual 8GB and the loss is enormous. Especially since 2GB go to VRAM. Intel isn't as bad, but still effected. Speed and dual channel for Ryzen is a must.
Considering I managed to beat 2 module/4 thread FX with my 12 year old Core 2 Quad build everything is possible.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Wouldn't/Doesn't take much to beat a 2 core FX CPU with HT though.
I really want to upgrade the cooler in my 10-year-old XPS 8500, but I can't because of the reasons you talk about @ 10:45 . In fact, I read that the backplate of the stock cooler in this particular model is firmly glued to the motherboard. It would have been awesome to show us more about the practical process of replacing the cooler.
It looks like there are mounting threads for a VRM heatsink on the MB but it's missing. If so you could perhaps make one. They have them on Amazon.
The only one I can find on Amazon is sold out :(
Alright, I installed the Vetroo V5 cooler and ran a couple of quick tests. It should be noted that installation is a snap, as others have mentioned - it's trivial to line up the screws with the built-in mount points and get it installed, and the order you're supposed to tighten the screws in is printed right on the motherboard. The fan is kind of funky to put on, which is my only (minor) complaint.
Anyway, I ran an encode in Handbrake, and it never got above 70 degrees. Then I ran a torture test using Prime95 (default settings), and though it got up to about 80 in the first few minutes and spiked momentarily to 88, it settled in at the same 70 degree mark and stayed right around there for the rest of the test.
The Vetroo is much, much less expensive than the fancy Dell cooler, and it's more readily available. Even if you didn't like the Vetroo fan and replaced it with a Noctua (using the Vetroo heat sink), you're still spending a less, and you don't have to go through the apparent hassle that installing a full Noctua cooling solution seems to be with this board.
That is exactly my experience. Vetroo V5 installed easy, cools greatly (tops out at 70c in cinebench) and was only $25. Fans could be easier to install, but still only took me a minute or two to figure it out. Can't recommend the Vetroo cooler enough.
@@hipflipped Yeah, I definitely don't mean to oversell the difficulty of putting the fan on. It's weird, but it only took a couple of minutes to get that part done - definitely less time than even screwing the heatsink to the mount points. I did a dry run before installing the heatsink to make sure I knew how it was supposed to work, which made it a lot easier when I was doing it for real in a much tighter space with less forgiving angles.
@@ReticentDuet Yeah, I did "dry run" on the fan install too, to make sure I understood how they clip on. It was still kind of a pain to do when the fan was mounted, but still only a minute or two of fussing with it.
I upgraded my Dell XPS with the Noctua cooler, I used M3 16mm screws it works great. I also added a second 92mm fan to the cooler and replaced the system fan with a 92mm fan, much better system temps all around. My only wish is that I could fit a fan of any size at the bottom front of the case to get some airflow to the graphics card but there doesn't seem to be any space without significant case mods. The GPU in mine is a 2070 Super so it goes all the way to the front of the case, meaning that I'd have to cut up the front panel to even think about fitting a fan in there.
Which noctua cooler did you use i am going to do same upgrades to mine I have 1660super so I can fir a fan where you are talking about but its hard to know what cooler to get I bought a cooler master 212 evo but it looks way to big
@@davist-mq5db For CPU cooler I used the NH-U9S 92mm. As for the upgraded system fan it was NF-A9 92mm. When you detach the stock dell computer you essentially just stack the Noctua hardware on top and thread through the M3 16mm screws(I saw a post on the dell forums suggesting 14mm but those are hard to find at a hardware store.), you won't use the noctua backplate. I do recommend getting M3 washers just to spread the point of contact out at the top of the mounting hardware, as my screw heads were small.
NOT boring at all. For us not as savvy as others this helps A LOT for us to decide on what to buy that's best for the money spent. Thanks and a big THUMBS UP!
You say this is a boring video but I waited all morning to see my favorite CZcamsr make a video on something interesting that I wouldn't have otherwise explored :) great video as always, can't wait to see you hit 1mill
I've been messing with a G5 5000 (appears to have identical internal hardware to this model), and using ThrottleStop with some cooling mods, the 10700F will happily sit at 140W/4.6GHz (all cores) indefinitely. Temperatures get a bit dicey if it's under GPU load as well, but that's probably solvable with better case fans/some fan curve tuning.
Cooling changes: replaced the stock CPU cooler with a Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO (Amazon had one for £9 vs. £59 for the Noctua NH-U9S, and there are guides online for the screws you need), added a VRM heatsink (official Dell from AliExpress), replaced the back 80mm fan with a 92mm fan, ziptied a 92mm fan to the front intake grill. Fans are just old ones out of a NAS, but they're fairly quiet with the stock Dell fan curve.
The reason they follow Intel's thermal limits is because of that cheap ass triple mosfet power section, with ZERO cooling on it... They'd cook if you turned the power limits off totally.
They have no cooling on it, but clearly the board (and case) have the screw holes for it.
You can use M3 x 16mm screws instead of cutting down the 20mm screws. It’s a bit tricky getting the spacers lined up but it works.
So they'll only give you that cooler if you have a K skew, but some non-K CPUs they sell overheat instantly without it? Sounds like dell!
The "premium" cooler still isn't enough for anything above 4.6ghz.
Not that dell would let you overclock it anyways.
@@ianrobertson3419 And those K chips would overheat even more, because their TDP is much higher than non K chips and those VRMs will be frying or throttling(no heatsink, no airflow if tower cooler). Not that Dell actually cares about making decent computers.
I enjoyed the video! I have been fixing up Dell Optiplex systems lately and am interested in the more premium coolers. Thanks!
Dell: *Cuts corners on literally everything
Gamers & PC enthusiasts: Dell stop your ruining your computers and bottlenecking your PC's performance
Dell: *Pretends the backlash doesn't exist and continues ruining performance and upgradability.
Any single individual buying from them at this point without knowing what they're getting ahead of time deserves to be taken advantage of. They're a scumbag company and their products reflect as much.
I do feel sorry for my ignorant friend who saved up to get this rig bcz Its a dell…
Funny thing about that horrible cooler, is they are still using it. I bought the next generation XPS with the i7 11700 CPU and that was the cooler they had installed on it. I upgraded to a Noctua NH-D9L CPU cooler and added an intake fan. A year later, I upgraded the ram to 32GB dual channel from the 16GB dual channel, which I had to buy two different kits to find one that worked and it will only run at 2666 MHz. I also took and upgraded the small nVME drive to a WD Black SN850X 2TB nvme drive and because Dell just reused the boards from the 10th gen CPU's with an updated BIOS, this drive is limited to only 900MB/s max speeds on a drive rated for up to 7300MB/s. The only reason I bought this PC when I did was it was the only way to get a new video card at a decent price.
Dell: It appears Dawid was not pleased with our offerings.
Dell Rep: I won't fail you next time, my lord. Dawid will be yours.
Dell: There wont be a next time.
Dell Rep: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Dell: I don't care what it takes! Make Dawid like our sucky computers, or you shall be next!
*Dell Reps rush out of the cave in panic, bumping against each other, their wings flapping erratically.
I work on these under warranty for my job. I think that unit should have the optional VRM cooler also. you can see the screw bosses on the motherboard for it. Maybe try again if you can get a hold of it. If nothing else will extend the life of the PC.
I think it would be interesting to see how those improved Cinebench scores translate to realworld actions. How much fast does it say render a video, or a big audacity file etc
Yeah, dawid, start including some less abstract benchmarks
Cinebench is a real-world demonstration, it's actually just a tool to demonstrate the power of Cinema 4D, and what's great about it is you can see the scores and there are massive online databases of cinebench scores to refer to.
I bought a Dell G5 5000 desktop awhile back , looks very similar to the internals on this one, and same issue with that tiny little stock cooler. I was actually hitting 95-101C when gaming at medium settings.
After some research I was recommended the same Noctura NH-U9S shown in this video, and recommended to use M3x16mm screws to mount it (they fit correctly at 16mm, no need to dremel), and it installed perfectly. Now under heavy load I'm only reaching low 70C temperatures (73C specifically is the highest I've seen) which is an incredible difference compared to the ~99C-101C that I had previously seen. Though I should add that I also bought a couple 92mm Noctura case fans and a Y-split as well (both running on same header), replaced the stock exhaust fan in the rear and made room for an intake in the front (ended up just using cable ties in the front).
Overall I'm now quite happy with the performance, especially at the price point. I bought the machine at a huge discount and at current parts prices it was actually significantly cheaper than if I had pieced it together part-by-part. That said it does suck that Dell uses so many proprietary parts, and while I don't really plan to upgrade much (instead will likely just buy an entire new system in ~5 years or so) it's concerning to imagine replacement scenarios. Typically over the ~5 year span that I use a system, I end up replacing the PSU at least once, sometimes twice, so hopefully it won't be too difficult to get my hands on a compatible PSU if and when the time comes (have not looked into this at all yet, just a topical concern)
In summary I'll say that if you can get one of these Dell systems cheap enough (do your research and compare prices) and are willing to put in an additional ~$50-100 for an aftermarket heatsink/case fans, then it's not a bad way to go if the price is right.
Can i know where to find a proper guideline for this? i am kind of new to this mod. Or any video for reference?
@@G89656
check out the video - Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO Installation on DELL G5 by Noor S.
Person : you specked a non k cpu
Dell: here is a intel stock cooler.
Person: wtf you caught my house on fire.
Dell: I don’t care two s***s
Intel stock cooler may fare better. Dell uses their own proprietary cooler.
@@MJ-uk6lu yeh their cooler are similar to the ones you usually find in those old ass intel core i7 2nd gen dell optiplex prebuilts
that cooler is lucky to have a TDP of 50w
So mine came with an i9-11900k and a 3070, I got the premium cooler and I had the same heat issues. if you crack the case open it will drop significantly. One place I stepped up was the back exhaust fan. It has holes for a 92MM fan so I put a Noctua NF-a9 in. I then removed the front drive cage. Mine has the m.2 but there is a cage up top as well if you have an SSD. On a bench it will put to 100 but dropped my games into the 75C range for the cpu and the GPU stays roughly the same with the case shut. My benches went up a small amount, it did improve my throttling and it idles at lot cooler as well.
You gotta love the couch "experts" who know everything on a CZcams comment...... It's almost as if you just need to tell them to sit at the back of the class and carry on eating the glue :-) :-)
I agree, the cooler on that thing does not look very good. Gosh, the cooler on my old Optiplex is huge compared to that little thing. But it also limits the size of my graphics card to a single slot only. :(
Not boring, I love stuff like this lol
No need to go with the expensive coolers. Just go to amazon, ebay or newegg and buy the "Vetroo V5" cooler. Its performance within a few degrees of the noctua, costs only $25 and fits the Dell XPS 8940 perfectly. No need to dremel screws or mess around with backplates. The Vetroo fits right into the pre-existing mounting holes.
The inexpensive cooler (vetroo) looks nicer than the more expensive ones (you can get it in black or white) and has brought my cinebench scores way up and CPU temps way down (20-30 degrees.) I really wanted to buy the official dell "fancy cooler", but am now glad I didn't.
The easiest solution: don't buy a pre-built. Unfortunately, buying a pre-built these days might be the only way to get a decent GPU without paying scalper prices.
I've assembled five computers for myself over the years, but this time around I got a prebuilt SkyTech Legacy with a 3070 and SSD, and it's a much better system than I could have put together from parts for the same amount of money.
Good upgrade, you did basically what I did.
Couple of points:
Upgrade the rear fan to a 92mm. You're taking heat from the CPU into the case more efficiently now with the U9S, but then you need to get it out of the case too.
Consider a VRM heatsink. The new perpendicular fan mounting of the U9S doesn't blow air over the board as much as the OEM one. The 'k' variant Dells have a VRM heatsink too.
Try 'Throttlestop' software to give better control of the boost and power limits than the Intel software.
I agree that the low budget cooler is an awful design decision. I disagree that the mounting is bad, I think they did a good job with that. It's better than attaching the heavy heatsink to the motherboard, much more secure. Plus it gives thermal conduction through to the case.
I've been in touch with Noctua, and they say they're going to look into officially supporting OEM systems like this.
PS How hard is it to order screws that are the right length?? I went for 18mm, because I also put retaining washers in to stop them from coming loose.
Agree about the mounting in the XPS 8940. When mounting my Vetroo V5, which came with the proper screws, the built in mount (backplate as part of case) provided a very stable situation (which I guess relieves actual pressure on the MB, probably not a bad thing at all.)
"Just because Acer does it with the loser nitro suckface edition" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks for the comparison, exactly what I need to know the difference between the Dell and Noctua heatsinks.
I upgraded the cooler on my Dell G7 17.
Just prop the back end up, aim a fan under there... 😳😂
Never getting another gaming laptop.
This was a great video. Thanks for making it. I ordered the same cpu cooler . Should get it soon. Very informative video and thank you for calling out dell for there cheaper coolers.
I think Intel's stock cooler is actually better.
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@@mr_watery_watermelons9779 Its true, the intel stock cooler is far better than this garbage piece if shit from dell, dell are the worst company you could possibly buy from
@@SlyStarling Bro ima be honest I forgot why I commented but ur entirely right
Thanks for a great follow up, really enjoyed the video. I am curious if you thought about testing the cooler in single channel mode. I know for sure Dual is faster but curious if the CPU not choking itself can make up a bit more of the deficit running under the premium or Noctua coolers.
Oh boy this is gonna be good
I loved this test, please keep doing it, most of dell hardware is just like that, all the optiplex full tower models that i know of have this termal throttling limitation and aren`t all that "well mounted"
I was wondering why you didn't get the "premium" cooler. I saw someone else's review of this computer and theirs did have it already installed.
It is for, high TDP processors.
10040 has 65W TDP, so it gets cooler rated for 65W.
It was fine up to 8th gen (My work PC has similar one with 8500, and it works fine without overheating ), but Dell now has a significant stockpile of cheap 65W cooler to sell.
@@tyaty so you're saying Dell only puts those crappy coolers in their systems to clear their inventory of them, and that they aren't really rated for 65W
@@volactic8495
Those coolers were rated for 65W pre-.8th gen quad-core CPU-s.
Intel started to calculate their DPS differently when 6/8 core mainstream CPU-s appeared.
A 10400F is much hotter in practice compared to an i5-7600.
@@tyaty ok that makes sense
I love Dell, got a G5 computer at less then 40% of MSRP because it had these same problems. Put mine in dual channel, aftermarket cooler (did a custom bracket to mate with the proprietary mount) with 2 extra fans and it preforms awesome for its price point.
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I bought the "premium" cooler and the VRM heat sink for mine and together they were less than 50$(US). I considered them an absolute MUST for my box considering it has an i9 10900 under the hood. The puck throttled just loading programs let alone with heavy work loads.
Actually the solution to all this is pretty simple. Don't buy a Dell. Ever.
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Would the Dell Premium Cooler work better if there was a cooling fan mounted to it? If yes has anyone done that and do you have a video? Will just adding a fan in place of the vertical hard-drive mounting location in the front of the case do the same thing?
You should get the acer nitro loser suckface edition cooler and Dell's pancake cpu cooler and perhaps others like HP etc go face to face on which one sucks the most..perhaps you could stack them with compound inbetween to improve temperatures!
If there is any extra molex connectors you could add 2 fans(probably 80mm or 92mm)as a push/pull to that dell mini tower cooler. Should help a lot.