John what I think you got there is a Colnago Super Profil (1983?) version #3 (no chainstay bridge). This model supposedly matches the bike Saronni rode to win the 1982 World Championships. The fork and fork crown look about right for this model. Colnago calls the crimps in the tudes "ribs."
Not necessarily, I have a 1977 Flema & it is in truly immaculate original condition. Not a single mark on it, & the paint & decals are as fresh as the day it was made. (Fritz Fleck, Mannheim Germany, very eccentric man, he only built for select riders on the national teams. Had to win gold first, then they got the bike.)......... Aust.
@@returnofthenativeOld paint was one layer and super thin. Made with nasty solvents. Modern paint looks much different. You can distinguish modern paint by seeing the thickness of the clearcoat on top of the base coat.
John, you are correct that is a repainted Colnago Mexico. That fork never came on that frame, probably had a painted fork on it. I wouldn’t change a thing on it, as the bicycle rides like a dream I know as I own a early Colnago Conic SLX w/ 93’ Record.
Yes, it’s a late Mexico. The steel is Columbus KL not SL. The KL steel is just 0.5 mm thick and not bigger at the ends. A very rare bike in a perfect condition
My 82 Super has the sloping fork crown. My 82 Super didn't have the crimped top, down chainstay tubes. I will say my super came with no paper. My 2002 Colnago CT-1 came with documentation wich was very nice.
Hey the frame is a Colnago Mexico the first version approx 1977/78 The fork is from a early colnago super approx 1975/76. So you have a mix and match as I have both of the bikes I have learned about these bike 😍. Great videos and stay in touch in case you need any clarity, their is a google page how to identify a colnago it’s great for Information. Take care bro
Im pretty sure that your correct. I dont think the frame,fork are a match. Its amazing how many people have opinions on it. Even someone at Colnago was confused.
This is a repainted Colnago Super Profil Vers. 3 with the wrong fork. The 3rd version of the Super Profil has already the more modern fork crown which has dropped shoulders and is markes at the top with the Colnago C and a triangle at the sides. The fork inner blades are also triangular shaped with a dot. This fork was also used on the Nuovo Mexico. Your decals set is also not original....the original decals have 2 thin gold lines on both sides of the down tube which are made in such a way, that the paint of the bike seperates the two stripes - they are printed on a transparent foil. In your case the golden lines (two of them) are printed on white...which was not the case with the original decals. The Super Profil maxed out....had: 1. The Mexico cranks which are sceletton style at the
Thanks for all the good info. I knew it was a repaint for sure. They did a good job but obviously they went with the decals they could find. The fork has been throwing me off since I got it.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage Dear John, yes the decal set is not the original one. The original down tube decal has two thin golden stripes at the beginning and the end of the decal with no white background....instead you see between the golden stripes the paint of the frame. Regarding the fork, the fork you have is from an older COlnago Super frame. The original fork has on the fork shoulder the Colnago C with the clover logo, and at the side of the fork crown a triangle. Inside the fork blades (were the fork tubes go into the fork crown) there must be also a triangle and under the triangle a dot. Depending on the frame color, Colnago layed it out with some paint. Mine Super Profile is also Saronni red - may fork pantos are layed out in glossy black. There were 3 versions of the Super Profil: The first version has just one crimped top tube and a bridge between the chain stays which had the form of a spool. The second version has two crimped tubes - downtube and top tube and has stimm the bridge between the chain styay. The last an final version - call it the "prototype" of the Nuovo Mexico has crimps (also only two per tube left and right) at the Top and downtube, but also the chain stays are crimped (the inner side) and therefor it has no bridge between the chain stays anymore. Regarding the tubing, we must look into the history of Colnago. Their first widely successful frame was the Colnago Super - and for a long time the one and only frame you could get (it is also the frame with one of the longest production runs - of course with many upgrades during the time). As Eddy Meerckx won broke the hour record on a Merckx decorated Colnago special constructed (lightweight) frame, Colnago decided to bring such a special frame to the cycling fans worldwide...and they called it the Mexico frame. The difference is hard to see - because the geometry is identical (same year of production of course) to the Colnago Super frame. But the tubing is not....instead of normal Columbus SL the choose Columbus SL RECORD tubes. The difference is, that SL is a doubled conical tube with a diameter of 0,9 - 0,6 - 0,9cm.....the SL RECORD tubeset is not conical shaped (inside) it is straight and only 0,5cm thick. With this tube it is possible to create a frame in 56cm height, which has a weight around 1650g!!!! - So the Mexico was the new top model and also more expensive. As Colnago invented the Nuovo Mexico with crimped tubes - they choose Columbus SL Record on all three main tubes...ans the last version of the Super Profil shared this also....To built up such a bike - as you already begun...a Super Record group set would be period correct. But Colnago put some special pantographed parts on their bikes in those years: 1. As you already mounted - there was the option to change the Campagnolo Super Record chain rings to some Ernesto Colnago pantographed ones...But it did not stop there - because the fines option would be to mount a Mexico crank set. The Mexico crank set is a lot different than the standard Campy part. Colnago drilled the 5 spokes on the chain side and they formed the whole cranks in a different and also thinner way - after that, they polished it. The brakes were also special - the brake grips were available with Colnago pantos and the brake callipers have a black panto engraving. The seat stay was also pantographed as were the shift levers and the stem. The perioud correct stem would be slightly different than the one you choose (it is a more modern version you mounted on your bike) the correct version has the Colnago Logo engraved and the Name Colnago in straight characters. The stem was available in silver and black. The frame has also some pantograped sections - the seat stay cups...the Colnago engraving on the left and right chain stay as also the clover between the shifters and two sleeve windows at the underside of the frame....With a Saronni Red bikes there were two versions in existence... 1. The engravings were painted in white...2. or they were painted in yellow (with different frame colours there were also black painted engravings available). Hope that helps.....all the best - Ekki
So similar to my 1984 Colnago Profil CX. I think that's almost 100% a re-paint. It's too pristine for the original paint-job. I really don't know what model it is. I thought it was a Mexico Nouvo Mexico which was released in 1983.
@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage I actually acquired a Profil frame/fork in Freddy Maertens blue last November. After I built it with identical gearing, I discovered 7th gear cadence on my reynolds bikes is 8th gear on the Profil. Hence 2 pounds lighter and stiffer equates to faster bike. Kinda interesting 🤔
What is significant about that frame is the fact there's no chain stay bridge behind the bb. Beppe Saronni was riding a similar Colnago in 1982. That frame remains a mystery, its either a super or super profil.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage actually its neither, its an imitation Colnago with proper lugs made from Raleigh 2030 tubing. They used to sell them at Sears right next to the huffy free spirits. DOUGH!!!
I think Colnago Mexico and Colnago super profil are the same thing? The fork on your bike is the same one on Freddy Maertens 81 championship steed, whereas Beppe Saronni uses the stock fork.
A few things. Honestly. People I respect all disagree on what model it is.. It's funny. I'll have several people over the years insist its this or that. But they are all in disagreement. LOL. I dont think the fork is stock to this frame from what I can tell. But who freaken knows! LOL
Great question and different answers. Surely someone is an expert. For what it's worth I bought a 1982 Colnago that I still have. Used it for a few triathlons and hung it up on the wall and concentrated on running. It's in immaculate shape and all original except for saddle and tires. I even have my original receipt. Hell, I thought I had a Nuovo Mexico now....I am not sure after 41 years. The chain stays are both slightly crimped and only the chain side is chromed. So...I have read that the Mexico never had crimped (ribbed) chain stays. If that's correct and definitive I guess I bought a Super. Pictures are available if an 'expert' surfaces... John
I'd love to see some paper back up! Its so hard because so many people with credibility and that have so much more knowledge than me all have given me different answers.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage I think it's like describing a watermelon to someone who has never seen or eaten one. After even a deeper dive I think I own a Colnago Nuovo Mexico Profil. Remember a long time ago when a car could be a 1963 1/2? Even in the orginal iteration it can still be a bastardization. They fiddle with it and we think it should be clear and precise. I know my bike because I bought it new in 1982 but that's a small sample in the larger scheme of all Colnagos. Especially in that quagmire of Supers vs Mexicos. Great topic, it made some of us stay up late. 🤔
Can't be 1983, because in 1983 Colnago has introduced sloping fork crown. You should also look at seatstay panto - in 1981 Colnagos had scooped seatstay tip that is brazed to the seat lug and in 1982 there has been the flat one. This bike is from 1982. Supers had crimped inner and outer side of the chainstay, Mexicos had non-crimped round tubing. So, you haver 1982 Colnago Mexico.
Good question. Most 50th Anniversary equipped bicycles with a great frame go between 5-6 thousand Dollars US.. But I would check Ebay and do more research.
I am trying not to lose sleep over this but I admit it is a bit of a tangled web. Since I bought mine in 1982 I know it's history. My most recent rabbit hole I gone down is the front hubs. Your video doesn't give me a good look. I have been reading about Campy's Sheriff's Star hubs and thought....gee, I wonder what I have. Well, nothing is as simple as it seems. It is a Campy Nuovo hub but in researching those mine is classified as a Track hub. It is orginal, what's on your bike? Does this hub change from Nuovo Mexico and/or a Super? Wade on in... John S
I'm not sure if that's relevant. Many of these were sold as framesets. I did change some things when I got this bicycle. As a matter of fact, I think the front hub was a nuovo record and the rear hub was a Gran sport. I change the cranks in a few other things.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage I guess I was surprised to discover that there are several different Nuovo Record front hubs. I would love to see a video on how to retrofit the bike with a different frame set. I would like to ride an Eroica event. I had a lot more power in 1982 today with this gearing it's really challenging. You get into....make sure it has Italian threading. I guess I would like to take to someone and say 'make it easy to pedal..please. No battery required.
@@johnshobe4030 If you're looking at bicycles of a similar era, putting your existing parts on a different frame set is rather easy. You are correct, make sure the threading matches in the bottom bracket. Second thing you need to be concerned about is brake reach and lastly seatpost diameter. Most racing bikes have short reach brakes and 27.2 seat post diameters. I'm switching parts around all the time.
John what I think you got there is a Colnago Super Profil (1983?) version #3 (no chainstay bridge). This model supposedly matches the bike Saronni rode to win the 1982 World Championships. The fork and fork crown look about right for this model. Colnago calls the crimps in the tudes "ribs."
Love your channel, love your setup
Beautiful bike!
I think modern rims and tires are a great idea on vintage bikes . Great collection , i'm a Schwinn fan to!
Exactly as you said, this paintwork is likely a restoration, as it's just too perfect.
Not necessarily, I have a 1977 Flema & it is in truly immaculate original condition. Not a single mark on it, & the paint & decals are as fresh as the day it was made.
(Fritz Fleck, Mannheim Germany, very eccentric man, he only built for select riders on the national teams. Had to win gold first, then they got the bike.)......... Aust.
@@returnofthenativeOld paint was one layer and super thin. Made with nasty solvents. Modern paint looks much different. You can distinguish modern paint by seeing the thickness of the clearcoat on top of the base coat.
Very nice, John.
Love the content. Keep it up!
Thanks. A few more vids in the works
John, you are correct that is a repainted Colnago Mexico. That fork never came on that frame, probably had a painted fork on it. I wouldn’t change a thing on it, as the bicycle rides like a dream I know as I own a early Colnago Conic SLX w/ 93’ Record.
Yes, it’s a late Mexico. The steel is Columbus KL not SL. The KL steel is just 0.5 mm thick and not bigger at the ends. A very rare bike in a perfect condition
Other knowledgeable and reputable people claim its a Super Profile CX.. so many opinions
I have the exact same bike. Same color. Everything. My dad gave it to me when he retired racing. He told me it's the original color.
GREAT that Saronni color scheme was huge. Its my favorite colored bike in my collection.
Yes i think its the same bike from the 82 or 83 world championships that Saronni rode. What's the weight please.
To me it looks like a Mexico frame with a Super fork 🤷🏼♂️ Certainly a beautiful bike 👌🏼
My 82 Super has the sloping fork crown. My 82 Super didn't have the crimped top, down chainstay tubes. I will say my super came with no paper. My 2002 Colnago CT-1 came with documentation wich was very nice.
Very beautiful bike, thank you. He he, I could spend hours in your "cave".
Hey the frame is a Colnago Mexico the first version approx 1977/78
The fork is from a early colnago super approx 1975/76.
So you have a mix and match as I have both of the bikes I have learned about these bike 😍. Great videos and stay in touch in case you need any clarity, their is a google page how to identify a colnago it’s great for Information.
Take care bro
Im pretty sure that your correct. I dont think the frame,fork are a match. Its amazing how many people have opinions on it. Even someone at Colnago was confused.
This is a repainted Colnago Super Profil Vers. 3 with the wrong fork. The 3rd version of the Super Profil has already the more modern fork crown which has dropped shoulders and is markes at the top with the Colnago C and a triangle at the sides. The fork inner blades are also triangular shaped with a dot. This fork was also used on the Nuovo Mexico. Your decals set is also not original....the original decals have 2 thin gold lines on both sides of the down tube which are made in such a way, that the paint of the bike seperates the two stripes - they are printed on a transparent foil. In your case the golden lines (two of them) are printed on white...which was not the case with the original decals. The Super Profil maxed out....had: 1. The Mexico cranks which are sceletton style at the
Thanks for all the good info. I knew it was a repaint for sure. They did a good job but obviously they went with the decals they could find. The fork has been throwing me off since I got it.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage Dear John, yes the decal set is not the original one. The original down tube decal has two thin golden stripes at the beginning and the end of the decal with no white background....instead you see between the golden stripes the paint of the frame. Regarding the fork, the fork you have is from an older COlnago Super frame. The original fork has on the fork shoulder the Colnago C with the clover logo, and at the side of the fork crown a triangle. Inside the fork blades (were the fork tubes go into the fork crown) there must be also a triangle and under the triangle a dot. Depending on the frame color, Colnago layed it out with some paint. Mine Super Profile is also Saronni red - may fork pantos are layed out in glossy black. There were 3 versions of the Super Profil: The first version has just one crimped top tube and a bridge between the chain stays which had the form of a spool. The second version has two crimped tubes - downtube and top tube and has stimm the bridge between the chain styay. The last an final version - call it the "prototype" of the Nuovo Mexico has crimps (also only two per tube left and right) at the Top and downtube, but also the chain stays are crimped (the inner side) and therefor it has no bridge between the chain stays anymore. Regarding the tubing, we must look into the history of Colnago. Their first widely successful frame was the Colnago Super - and for a long time the one and only frame you could get (it is also the frame with one of the longest production runs - of course with many upgrades during the time). As Eddy Meerckx won broke the hour record on a Merckx decorated Colnago special constructed (lightweight) frame, Colnago decided to bring such a special frame to the cycling fans worldwide...and they called it the Mexico frame. The difference is hard to see - because the geometry is identical (same year of production of course) to the Colnago Super frame. But the tubing is not....instead of normal Columbus SL the choose Columbus SL RECORD tubes. The difference is, that SL is a doubled conical tube with a diameter of 0,9 - 0,6 - 0,9cm.....the SL RECORD tubeset is not conical shaped (inside) it is straight and only 0,5cm thick. With this tube it is possible to create a frame in 56cm height, which has a weight around 1650g!!!! - So the Mexico was the new top model and also more expensive. As Colnago invented the Nuovo Mexico with crimped tubes - they choose Columbus SL Record on all three main tubes...ans the last version of the Super Profil shared this also....To built up such a bike - as you already begun...a Super Record group set would be period correct. But Colnago put some special pantographed parts on their bikes in those years: 1. As you already mounted - there was the option to change the Campagnolo Super Record chain rings to some Ernesto Colnago pantographed ones...But it did not stop there - because the fines option would be to mount a Mexico crank set. The Mexico crank set is a lot different than the standard Campy part. Colnago drilled the 5 spokes on the chain side and they formed the whole cranks in a different and also thinner way - after that, they polished it. The brakes were also special - the brake grips were available with Colnago pantos and the brake callipers have a black panto engraving. The seat stay was also pantographed as were the shift levers and the stem. The perioud correct stem would be slightly different than the one you choose (it is a more modern version you mounted on your bike) the correct version has the Colnago Logo engraved and the Name Colnago in straight characters. The stem was available in silver and black. The frame has also some pantograped sections - the seat stay cups...the Colnago engraving on the left and right chain stay as also the clover between the shifters and two sleeve windows at the underside of the frame....With a Saronni Red bikes there were two versions in existence... 1. The engravings were painted in white...2. or they were painted in yellow (with different frame colours there were also black painted engravings available). Hope that helps.....all the best - Ekki
I believe it is a Super Profil Version 3 (no chainstay bridge). I have a similar frame. 1982 or 1983?
So similar to my 1984 Colnago Profil CX. I think that's almost 100% a re-paint. It's too pristine for the original paint-job. I really don't know what model it is. I thought it was a Mexico Nouvo Mexico which was released in 1983.
You know what's the dead giveaway it's a repaint? When you flip it over to show the bb shell, the oval cutout in the front is usually painted white.
Good eye!!
@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage I actually acquired a Profil frame/fork in Freddy Maertens blue last November. After I built it with identical gearing, I discovered 7th gear cadence on my reynolds bikes is 8th gear on the Profil. Hence 2 pounds lighter and stiffer equates to faster bike. Kinda interesting 🤔
You might be able to find the serial number on the drive-side dropout. I have a 74 Super and a 83 Superissimo.
Hi, This bike has been on many forums, Many videos and much debate. I find it comical that it was difficult to come up with a model name.
Pardon me for asking but, shouldn’t you have outer cable between the guides under the BB shell? Gorgeous bike…👍
What is significant about that frame is the fact there's no chain stay bridge behind the bb. Beppe Saronni was riding a similar Colnago in 1982. That frame remains a mystery, its either a super or super profil.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage actually its neither, its an imitation Colnago with proper lugs made from Raleigh 2030 tubing. They used to sell them at Sears right next to the huffy free spirits. DOUGH!!!
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage 😄😆😂
Super Profil
That's kind of where I landed. So many good knowledgeable people contradicting though. What do you do?
Hardly a beast, it is a lightweight designed Colanago!
Sometimes I say beast, I dont mean BIG , or Heavy or huge. It rides amazing!
I think Colnago Mexico and Colnago super profil are the same thing? The fork on your bike is the same one on Freddy Maertens 81 championship steed, whereas Beppe Saronni uses the stock fork.
A few things. Honestly. People I respect all disagree on what model it is.. It's funny. I'll have several people over the years insist its this or that. But they are all in disagreement. LOL. I dont think the fork is stock to this frame from what I can tell. But who freaken knows! LOL
bonjour john, votre vélo est un colnago mexico pour le cadre mais la fourche est une colnago super.
Hello, there has been a lot of debate. Most say its a Super Profil... Even Colnago cant confirm it. LOL
I'm no expert but I dont think its a Super , stunning bike
Anyone know the weight? Its beautiful.
Can you tell me the first couple of digits of the SN?
Sorry, didn’t catch in the video. Beautiful bike and I love the bling!
Great question and different answers. Surely someone is an expert. For what it's worth I bought a 1982 Colnago that I still have. Used it for a few triathlons and hung it up on the wall and concentrated on running. It's in immaculate shape and all original except for saddle and tires. I even have my original receipt. Hell, I thought I had a Nuovo Mexico now....I am not sure after 41 years. The chain stays are both slightly crimped and only the chain side is chromed. So...I have read that the Mexico never had crimped (ribbed) chain stays. If that's correct and definitive I guess I bought a Super. Pictures are available if an 'expert' surfaces... John
I'd love to see some paper back up! Its so hard because so many people with credibility and that have so much more knowledge than me all have given me different answers.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage I think it's like describing a watermelon to someone who has never seen or eaten one.
After even a deeper dive I think I own a Colnago Nuovo Mexico Profil. Remember a long time ago when a car could be a 1963 1/2? Even in the orginal iteration it can still be a bastardization. They fiddle with it and we think it should be clear and precise. I know my bike because I bought it new in 1982 but that's a small sample in the larger scheme of all Colnagos. Especially in that quagmire of Supers vs Mexicos.
Great topic, it made some of us stay up late. 🤔
@@johnshobe4030 Right. Plus to confuse the matters I might not have the correct fork for that frameset. lol
Looks like a repaint and I'll leave it at that.
It is.
It's a Super Profil.
Non original fork.
Can't be 1983, because in 1983 Colnago has introduced sloping fork crown. You should also look at seatstay panto - in 1981 Colnagos had scooped seatstay tip that is brazed to the seat lug and in 1982 there has been the flat one. This bike is from 1982.
Supers had crimped inner and outer side of the chainstay, Mexicos had non-crimped round tubing.
So, you haver 1982 Colnago Mexico.
Also this might not be the correct fork for the bike. So what makes a colnago a "profil" ?
Definitely not a Super. The pantographed stay, and recessed brake bolts lead me to think this might be as late as an ‘83. I’m confused by the crown.
Very possible it's not the original fork
Io hi una bivicletta colnago mexico montata con gruppo 50 ennario che valore ha?
Good question. Most 50th Anniversary equipped bicycles with a great frame go between 5-6 thousand Dollars US.. But I would check Ebay and do more research.
I am trying not to lose sleep over this but I admit it is a bit of a tangled web.
Since I bought mine in 1982 I know it's history. My most recent rabbit hole I gone down is the front hubs. Your video doesn't give me a good look. I have been reading about Campy's Sheriff's Star hubs and thought....gee, I wonder what I have. Well, nothing is as simple as it seems. It is a Campy Nuovo hub but in researching those mine is classified as a Track hub. It is orginal, what's on your bike? Does this hub change from Nuovo Mexico and/or a Super? Wade on in...
John S
I'm not sure if that's relevant. Many of these were sold as framesets. I did change some things when I got this bicycle. As a matter of fact, I think the front hub was a nuovo record and the rear hub was a Gran sport. I change the cranks in a few other things.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage I guess I was surprised to discover that there are several different Nuovo Record front hubs. I would love to see a video on how to retrofit the bike with a different frame set. I would like to ride an Eroica event. I had a lot more power in 1982 today with this gearing it's really challenging. You get into....make sure it has Italian threading. I guess I would like to take to someone and say 'make it easy to pedal..please. No battery required.
@@johnshobe4030 If you're looking at bicycles of a similar era, putting your existing parts on a different frame set is rather easy. You are correct, make sure the threading matches in the bottom bracket. Second thing you need to be concerned about is brake reach and lastly seatpost diameter. Most racing bikes have short reach brakes and 27.2 seat post diameters. I'm switching parts around all the time.
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage Thanks!
@@johnshobe4030 I actually forgot a couple things. Are the shifters clamp on or brazon? Is the front earlier a clamp on or a braze on?
Is a super. Mexico doesn’t have dimpled stays
It's not a nuevo Mexico, the chain stays on the nuevo Mexico are not crimped
@@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage No. 1970 p15 schwinn paramount touring. Check it out, super nice. Its your size
It has an extremely strange and rare Campagnolo rear derailleur, I've never seen one like it.
The lugs are also unusual, early nervex? The bits that pull the Weinman center pull cable, also rare, never seen those. Bike's a museum piece.
its a mexico, own the same.
Thats what many think. But confirmed through Colnago themselves, it's a Super profile.
Obviously it's a Schwinn.
LOL