Hey Peter, loved your wedge instructions. One thing I notice with a lot of amateurs is when it comes to half wedge shots they take a full swing, but decelerate on the downswing, resulting in bad or coming up short. Your instruction demonstrates how taking a shorter swing controls the distance you need without decelerating. Great instruction. Love listening to you guys. Wish you were on LIV broadcast. Miss you guys commentary during golf events.
@@michaellabelle8956 PGA players don't play for money? LIV is a far superior product. It's the true global tour. And you clearly haven't been watching if you think the players don't like it.
thank you guys for making some sense out of this sport i love ... hope your ideas happen sooner rather than later... great lesson from peter at the end ...easy to understand... Thanks
Great Input! Whatever the future holds for the tours, I hope they will come up with a strategy to reduce the annoying amount of commercials and allow us to see action from more than 2 or 3 groups.
great meeting you too Bryan! Nice swing!! you can send me an email mike@thegolfagency.com and I'll send my phone number...let's get out and play sometime - all the best and enjoy our show!
The answer to every question is Money. So, it's hard to argue with anything you said. The President the DP World Tour quit after last year to return to his home country of Canada to head up a sports franchise. He's a very bright guy and clearly saw the writing on the wall. I have no doubt DP World and LIV will merge. As for who will broadcast their games, I'm going with Netflix as they seem to have already enjoyed success with their TV series on golfers and it has done well We;ve seen what the F1 series on Netflix has done for worldwide viewership of the races.so the same can happen with golf. All we really need is some golfer to start dating Taylor Swift. Love you commentary and lessons. Thank you both.
LIV turned down Finau. They turned down about a dozen top players from PGA. The reason is they have 54 players and they have a relegation system. They went after AK two years ago. They'll only go after more pga players if someone starts to have star power. There will be no deal with pga. PGA thinks LIV has failed and will go away. That's why SSG came in. They think LIV will disappear and that's when SSG will reap the benefits. This could backfire greatly for pga and ssg.
I agree with your analysis. The PGA has choose the wrong path from the start by not working with LIV at the beginning and their plans have been an embarrassment. I think they are turning into the mini tour.
@@MSDOGS1976 Are you aware that LIV turned down Finau? Finau was all set to go. He wanted to go to LIV. LIV said no. Lee Westwood got signed on the first year when it was more difficult to get players. Right now, you have DJ, Brooks, Cam, Rahm, Niemann (best player in the world right now), Gooch, Bryson, etc. So LIV is turning away players. They're still getting calls for people to join.
For once it seems I'm a man with vision...what you said about the "Galaxy Tour" I've been saying for the last year!...lol. 2 Tours should stay separate and it's up to them to make their tours attractive enough for players to want to stay on their tour or join their tour. PIF should start European Tour (scrap DP Tour as is) and make it as good as European Tour was in the 80's and 90's to rival PGA Tour. Create a World Tour in which the Tours play against each other over 4 or 6 matches in a Ryder Cup-type tournament.
What happens to existing PGA Tour tournaments like the Charles Schwab at Colonial. It is the longest running tournament at the same course on the PGA tour. Does the Colonial tournament just get tossed away on the new schedule with a combined tour?
If LIV gets the DP Tour, their format will change more towards the LIV format. The DP Tour could be a LIV East Ranking system will change to a more accurate system.
I really hope what you’re saying comes true: SSG dumps DP tour and Golf Channel. Liv buys DP tour and Golf Channel. Then Liv shapes DP tour to be their format, earn points, and control Euro Ryder cup. Once this happens, more pga players will take the money and jump ship. I’m not a Rory fan but now I’ll be cheering for him to win the Masters so he also jumps ship. That will be a game changer. And then Liv won’t need PGA anymore making Speiths comments true. Create some inter league tournaments and call it good.
Great analysis guys. One aspect that is lost by most. SSG are investors who have time horizons of 5 years. PIF has no time horizon. They are in it for the loooong haul.
This 10 event "head-to-head" series is going to have to be a new tour itself ("Galaxy Tour"). It can't be just 10 separate events because some of them will thrive and some will fail. And how will it be funded? PIF would be funding LIV/DP, SSG funding PGA Tour, so where's the cash coming from to fund the Galaxy Tour, especially since the purse for those 10 events would have to be higher than a LIV/DP event or a PGA Tour event? And the reality would be that the PGA Tour would be relegated to "feeder tour" status in being a pathway to get on the Galaxy Tour. Also with the Galaxy Tour + Majors taking up 14 weeks out of the year, the PGA Tour will shrink and be less of a money-maker. The answer: Make the Ryder Cup an annual event. It becomes the equivalent of the Super Bowl in American football as it was with AFL vs. NFL, or the World Series in American baseball as it was when the NL and AL were separate. LIV/DP vs. PGA Tour with the winner having bragging rights. Then the Ryder Cup + Majors creates 5 events each year where all the top players get together and play. The downside? 1) Poaching of players will still go on; 2) If the PGA Tour is USA-based only and LIV/DP is the rest of the world I see the PGA Tour continuing to shrink in stature and popularity until it gets absorbed into a new single world tour.
We are on the brink of a pro-golf revolution: 9 x PGAT - AT&T [Pebble Beach], The Players Championship, Riviera, Bay Hill, Honda Classic, Memorial, Wells Fargo, RBC Heritage, Travelers 4 x Majors - Masters Tournament, PGA Championship, U.S. Open, The Open Championship 3 x DPWT - Scottish Open, PGA Championship [Wentworth], BMW International Open [Germany] 9 x LIV - FedEx World Tour - Australia, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, Spain, UK, Mexico, U.S. [Trump National Doral], U.S. [Pinehurst], U.S. [Brookline] 25 events every year [LIV events are only three days so the equivalent of 22 events total]. PGAT/DPWT/Majors: 72 holes, 4 rounds, full field. LIV Golf: 54 holes, 3 rounds, half field. And ALL of the best golfers in the world playing ALL 25 events.
Tv golf fan since the 60’s……bottom line, the golf gods need to focus on having the best golfers playing against the best golfers. There is less concern with PGA & LIV tours, etc.. now if the powers can have those matches created, in addition to the 4 majors, the fans (& dollars) will be there without a doubt.
If PIF buys the DP tour they can afford to raise the the purses on every event to the point that all the big name PGA guys want to play on that tour instead of the PGA, then it's all over.
I agree with you. All sports are so watered down now with expansion, horrible officiating, media coverage, hack sports journalists, and the woke crap injected in all of them. I simply just don’t care anymore
some of us like the pga tour without all the 'sizzle' , the golf, tournament courses, and new faces are enough. too bad some folks are,have ruined. I for one will end up tuning everything out, playing more, and watching the ladies
Private equity expects a return on investment in 3 years because they have mini investors to keep happy. The PGA Commissioner JM may not like the environment to keep his shareholders happy. For profit enterprise may remain tax exempt since Congress enjoys cronyism and potential campaign donations to ease the exemption. I think the PGA has a fundamental problem ... the investors may not be in it for the long run and the star power is ebbing to draw viewership. LIV has the world market and PIF. Yassir of PIF is a golf fanatic and loyal to LIV. It will be interesting to see what happens if Rory does win the Masters.
The PGA shit the bed pretty bad here gents. WOKE. Let's not gloss over the core reason this happened in the first place, can't fix stupid and powerful. JR was forced to withdraw from the Memorial Tournament while leading 3rd round by 6 strokes. Hate to say it but the PGA is a relic.
But would SSG/pga cut losses by selling DP tour knowing if they did, Liv would snatch it up and create their own Liv world league that would now earn points. This would give Liv the upper hand and not need pga anymore and continue to lure more players over. And more players will come over once Liv starts earning points. So pga might still want to keep DP tour just to keep it out of liv hands.
So, the 10 events in the "Galaxy Tour" wouldn't carry world ranking points? That would be an interesting twist - the "Guardians of the Galaxy" would have to go back to play with the unwashed to keep their fancy-schmantzy status.
I can't stand the LIV format so I hope the final outcome is as they suggest. Let the PGAT do their thing and same with LIV/World and bring the guys together for 8-10 events a year. Have the best of both.
For me LIV vs PGA will likely turn out like our politics sadly. Just animosity and hatred for entertainment purposes. Count me out. PK and GM have it about right here. No going back......
You guys need to stop talking sense 😂😂. How the hell is Jay still in charge. He is the only CEO in the world who doesn’t front the media and keeps his job. People blame Norman for the divide but it’s come down to Jay not entertaining the idea to sit down and actually find out what PIF wanted . He then went to SSG thought he could play them and they took Rham. They will partner with the UAE (Dubai Port Tour) and take LIV even further globally. Then they will pay the ladies what they are deserving of and take over it as well. Then it’s game over PGA.
LIV will buy DPWT and control a big part of the Ryder Cup, then Rory will be forced to play on LIV because his weakness is his passion for the Ryder Cup, and he will leave the PGAT if he must in order to play on the Ryder Cup. Once LIV control the Ryder Cup qualification for Euro players then there will be a massive power shift and none of the top Euro players will be on the PGAT anymore.
This is why Rory has changed his tune about LIV recently....he knows whats coming and so did Rahm. Rory's only problem now is he doesn't have major exemptions due to not winning a major recently.....
Im Professional Greedy bastards association that is golf today.same age as Gary and have been playing for over 60 years, but i am fast losing interest in professional golf. I was very impressed with the insight
I really think that LIV v PGA would be much better thank Ryder Cup anyway. They all live in the same few neighborhoods and are buddys on the PGA. Many of the Euro's have American wives. Animosity just seems made up. LIV v PGA is real animosity.
Tournaments attract the best fields they can. Power is with the players now A LIV golfer has an obligation for 14 LIV events and then can be a free agent. TOURS // LEAGUES less value
If Scheffler can keep making putts, McIlroy won't be all that any more. Scheffler would become the star and everyone else will be a walk-on like when Woods or Nicklaus were at their peaks.
14:40 doesnt matter these young no name golfers can beat anyone. They want a superstar tour nevermind the ones coming up. No name golfers don't sell. Big name golfers might as well go to liv. They dont play every week and when they do they cant win against a solid massive field. I like liv but once u get past the big names the pga tour dominates.
The LPGA found a way to work with the PIF in the Aramco Team Series offering Rolex World Ranking points and Solheim Cup points to the individual players without forcing the ladies to choose between which tour they were going to play...........Just sayin, it's time for all of the boys to grow up and end the pissing contest, it's ruining your sport!!! CZcams Golf is more interesting at this point with Bryson, Tommy Fleetwood, Rickie Fowler, Jon Rahm, etc. all collaborating with youtubes finest Grant Horvat, Peter Finch, Rick Shiels, Bob does Sports, The Bryan Bros, and the Good Good Boys!
Gentleman, you’re overcomplicating this. The solution is already in place and is proving to work. LIV players are 1. Part of a team (this pertains to just LIV events). LIV tournaments operate just like collegiate golf. Teams and independent rankings - extremely straight forward and 2. Independent players playing on the international tour. The points they accrue independently on the international tour strictly only pertain to the international tour. There is no reason why they can’t do the same thing with PGA. I know what you’ll say “international series is a feeder series for LIV ” - this is irrelevant. Points are points. The answer lies in open borders being established between both tours. This would allow players to form teams including alternates (that only matter during LIV events) and can still play independently, earning points for the fed ex cup or whatever else. No minimums required. Meaning, if your team only plays one LIV event, it simply will not win the team championship. It would be up to their discretion to play as little or much as they want just like individual play. Yes, there would be multiple standings for fans to follow (LIV team standings, LIV individual standings, fed ex cup points, etc), HOWEVER, these would form consistent metrics to be able to reestablish some sort of world golf rankings. Personally, I hope the PIF purchase the golf channel so they can put the product on display and let it speak for itself. I am not promoting everything that LIV is about (DJ playing on the first tee for example), however, I absolutely loved playing collegiate golf and being part of the team element and it 100% makes sense to me that it exists in pro golf on a permanent basis (not just Ryder cup and presidents cup). As for minimum guarantees, qualifying and the likes - there is no reason why they can’t still use something similar to the korn ferry tour, international series, etc. Once qualified, a player would be drafted in to an existing team as an alternate and payed a rookie minimum plus winnings. After their rookie year, they would form a new team with other new players - either by choice or at random by the league. Once they are in the system, they can be traded around team to team like anything else. If they simply do not want to play team golf, they will not have to. In that case, a player would get through Korn ferry tour or whatever else and that would qualify them for all tours which means they could strictly just enter the PGA tour system, if they choose. Otherwise, they would also enter the “draft portal”. Eventually, this will create team structures similar to a number of different sports. Most valid example, again, is current collegiate golf. K&M, if you want to chat more, I have ideas for days with the experience to match. Stay sane, boys!
If you sat down and tried to screw up men’s professional golf they couldn’t have a better job! LIV, PGA Tour, DP Tour are trying to untangle what they have collectively created. While SSG are smart guys they are not going to take on PIF because they can out spend them (and destroy them financially) and not even notice. In all of this you need sponsors to commercially bankroll whatever this looks like, and today sponsors are increasingly disenchanted with what’s on offer. If you cannot develop that it’s a pipe dream. The other problem is golf is a niche sport, and while everyone talks about growing the game none of them have explained how they are going to do that. Just maybe that’s the problem with golf, and without tens of millions of eyeballs it’s just doesn’t make commercial sense with the numbers being thrown about. The Masters attracted 10 million viewers last year which three times the number every other tournament including the Ryder Cup attracts. Monday night NFL 33 million, Formula one 75 million. At what point is there a reality check!
Stop talking sense you guys and listen to those muppets Monahan and Chamblee. Seriously, everyone get their heads together and sort this mess out. World tour has to happen now.
Everyone in the Golf World owes Phil Mickelson an apology for the way they treated him. Everything he said about the PGA Tour and Jay Monaghan was true.
Last LIV event was one of the best and most entertaining tournaments I've seen in a very long time. I can't watch PGA anymore. 100+ ranked players are winning now. There's almost no one left in pga.
@@wks4511only if you just look at American ratings. New World wide channels have LIV ratings going up and I have watched since day one. Great product and production chops getting better 👍
Hey Peter, loved your wedge instructions. One thing I notice with a lot of amateurs is when it comes to half wedge shots they take a full swing, but decelerate on the downswing, resulting in bad or coming up short. Your instruction demonstrates how taking a shorter swing controls the distance you need without decelerating. Great instruction. Love listening to you guys. Wish you were on LIV broadcast. Miss you guys commentary during golf events.
Get everyone playing against each other with animosity! Perfect
17:18 Couldn’t agree more. Just imagine a LIV vs PGA event. It would be hugely popular.
thanks for your comment Hugh
Great show guys. Miss your course commentary. Peter has nailed it with the LIV & PGAT future.
Lots of very good points and ideas. Given up on following (watching) PGAT. Thank you Peter and Gary, keep the thoughts coming.
I’m a big fan of LIV and have been watching it since day 1. I hope it stays as is. I watch the PGA occasionally.
Liv sucks, player think it sucks to I guarantee it. It’s a big cash grab. Get the 💰 boys.
@@michaellabelle8956 PGA players don't play for money? LIV is a far superior product. It's the true global tour. And you clearly haven't been watching if you think the players don't like it.
yah players keep going to liv because it sucks... wake up !!@@michaellabelle8956
appreciate your comment
Me too
Great episode guys!
I really enjoyed this new golf content !!
Fascinating insight… thank you!
thank you guys for making some sense out of this sport i love ... hope your ideas happen sooner rather than later... great lesson from peter at the end ...easy to understand... Thanks
thank you George!
As always great insight.
Finally some people talking about the future. I believe you gents are spot on.
good episode. thanks guys
Great show!! It will be interesting to see how it all turns out. Didn't know SSG was in the mix.
Great Input! Whatever the future holds for the tours, I hope they will come up with a strategy to reduce the annoying amount of commercials and allow us to see action from more than 2 or 3 groups.
Would rather watch the LPGA!
I kept wanting to tell Gary to turn the mic towards himself. Good show though guys, keep it up.
Mike, it was great to meet you at Dove Valley today.
great meeting you too Bryan! Nice swing!! you can send me an email mike@thegolfagency.com and I'll send my phone number...let's get out and play sometime - all the best and enjoy our show!
The answer to every question is Money. So, it's hard to argue with anything you said. The President the DP World Tour quit after last year to return to his home country of Canada to head up a sports franchise. He's a very bright guy and clearly saw the writing on the wall. I have no doubt DP World and LIV will merge. As for who will broadcast their games, I'm going with Netflix as they seem to have already enjoyed success with their TV series on golfers and it has done well We;ve seen what the F1 series on Netflix has done for worldwide viewership of the races.so the same can happen with golf. All we really need is some golfer to start dating Taylor Swift. Love you commentary and lessons. Thank you both.
I think the most probable scenario is LIV acquiring DP World Tour. Just having the LIV players playing there will make it exciting.
LIV turned down Finau. They turned down about a dozen top players from PGA. The reason is they have 54 players and they have a relegation system. They went after AK two years ago. They'll only go after more pga players if someone starts to have star power. There will be no deal with pga. PGA thinks LIV has failed and will go away. That's why SSG came in. They think LIV will disappear and that's when SSG will reap the benefits. This could backfire greatly for pga and ssg.
If this is true why is LIV hanging onto players like Lee Westwood? I would rather have Finau.
I agree with your analysis. The PGA has choose the wrong path from the start by not working with LIV at the beginning and their plans have been an embarrassment. I think they are turning into the mini tour.
@@MSDOGS1976 perhaps they needed the numbers to get it off the ground and they have a longer term plan? 🤷🏻♂️
@@MSDOGS1976 Are you aware that LIV turned down Finau? Finau was all set to go. He wanted to go to LIV. LIV said no.
Lee Westwood got signed on the first year when it was more difficult to get players. Right now, you have DJ, Brooks, Cam, Rahm, Niemann (best player in the world right now), Gooch, Bryson, etc. So LIV is turning away players. They're still getting calls for people to join.
@@alienrenders And you know this how?
hands down scotty sheff is best player in the world ....one of the best ball strikers we've ever seen. and its really just beginning !
Arthur Blank owns PGA superstores,
I’m guessing that’s the Mad Hatter next to Kostis 😊
For once it seems I'm a man with vision...what you said about the "Galaxy Tour" I've been saying for the last year!...lol.
2 Tours should stay separate and it's up to them to make their tours attractive enough for players to want to stay on their tour or join their tour.
PIF should start European Tour (scrap DP Tour as is) and make it as good as European Tour was in the 80's and 90's to rival PGA Tour.
Create a World Tour in which the Tours play against each other over 4 or 6 matches in a Ryder Cup-type tournament.
Yasir is Al Davis and the new Ryder Cup is the Super Bowl. Riviera is the AFC Championship, TPC Sawgrass is the NFC Championship.
interesting take ...thank you
Great insight and analysis. SSG will cut the fat and LIV will hang around and pick up the pieces for chump change.
You guys are are great ! Common sense is so missing!!
What happens to existing PGA Tour tournaments like the Charles Schwab at Colonial. It is the longest running tournament at the same course on the PGA tour. Does the Colonial tournament just get tossed away on the new schedule with a combined tour?
If LIV gets the DP Tour, their format will change more towards the LIV format. The DP Tour could be a LIV East
Ranking system will change to a more accurate system.
Rory is moving full time to Europe once his house is complete so follow the signs.
I really hope what you’re saying comes true: SSG dumps DP tour and Golf Channel. Liv buys DP tour and Golf Channel. Then Liv shapes DP tour to be their format, earn points, and control Euro Ryder cup. Once this happens, more pga players will take the money and jump ship. I’m not a Rory fan but now I’ll be cheering for him to win the Masters so he also jumps ship. That will be a game changer. And then Liv won’t need PGA anymore making Speiths comments true. Create some inter league tournaments and call it good.
Great analysis guys. One aspect that is lost by most. SSG are investors who have time horizons of 5 years. PIF has no time horizon. They are in it for the loooong haul.
Peter, what if PIF just continue recruiting players every year? even up and coming players?
This 10 event "head-to-head" series is going to have to be a new tour itself ("Galaxy Tour"). It can't be just 10 separate events because some of them will thrive and some will fail. And how will it be funded? PIF would be funding LIV/DP, SSG funding PGA Tour, so where's the cash coming from to fund the Galaxy Tour, especially since the purse for those 10 events would have to be higher than a LIV/DP event or a PGA Tour event? And the reality would be that the PGA Tour would be relegated to "feeder tour" status in being a pathway to get on the Galaxy Tour. Also with the Galaxy Tour + Majors taking up 14 weeks out of the year, the PGA Tour will shrink and be less of a money-maker.
The answer: Make the Ryder Cup an annual event. It becomes the equivalent of the Super Bowl in American football as it was with AFL vs. NFL, or the World Series in American baseball as it was when the NL and AL were separate. LIV/DP vs. PGA Tour with the winner having bragging rights. Then the Ryder Cup + Majors creates 5 events each year where all the top players get together and play.
The downside? 1) Poaching of players will still go on; 2) If the PGA Tour is USA-based only and LIV/DP is the rest of the world I see the PGA Tour continuing to shrink in stature and popularity until it gets absorbed into a new single world tour.
How has J Monohan kept his influence on PGAT?
I'm pro PGAT and can't understand this.
We are on the brink of a pro-golf revolution:
9 x PGAT - AT&T [Pebble Beach], The Players Championship, Riviera, Bay Hill, Honda Classic, Memorial, Wells Fargo, RBC Heritage, Travelers
4 x Majors - Masters Tournament, PGA Championship, U.S. Open, The Open Championship
3 x DPWT - Scottish Open, PGA Championship [Wentworth], BMW International Open [Germany]
9 x LIV - FedEx World Tour - Australia, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, Spain, UK, Mexico, U.S. [Trump National Doral], U.S. [Pinehurst], U.S. [Brookline]
25 events every year [LIV events are only three days so the equivalent of 22 events total]. PGAT/DPWT/Majors: 72 holes, 4 rounds, full field. LIV Golf: 54 holes, 3 rounds, half field. And ALL of the best golfers in the world playing ALL 25 events.
yes more believe it to not
BUY the European tour!
Tv golf fan since the 60’s……bottom line, the golf gods need to focus on having the best golfers playing against the best golfers. There is less concern with PGA & LIV tours, etc.. now if the powers can have those matches created, in addition to the 4 majors, the fans (& dollars) will be there without a doubt.
If PIF buys the DP tour they can afford to raise the the purses on every event to the point that all the big name PGA guys want to play on that tour instead of the PGA, then it's all over.
Peter, since I can't afford a Quad maybe you would loan it to me sometime... I live in the valley also... or not ... lol ...
Mr. Kostis,
How do you think "Inside Path to Better Golf" holds up against todays teaching methodology?
I agree with you. All sports are so watered down now with expansion, horrible officiating, media coverage, hack sports journalists, and the woke crap injected in all of them. I simply just don’t care anymore
Plus college sports with NIL and immediate free agency sucks too.
Monahan needs to be ousted. Make the PGA TOUR great again.
some of us like the pga tour without all the 'sizzle' , the golf, tournament courses, and new faces are enough. too bad some folks are,have ruined. I for one will end up tuning everything out, playing more, and watching the ladies
That could work-liv buys dp.
I like their idea. Kostis said Ryder Cup with steroid. 😂
Private equity expects a return on investment in 3 years because they have mini investors to keep happy. The PGA Commissioner JM may not like the environment to keep his shareholders happy. For profit enterprise may remain tax exempt since Congress enjoys cronyism and potential campaign donations to ease the exemption. I think the PGA has a fundamental problem ... the investors may not be in it for the long run and the star power is ebbing to draw viewership. LIV has the world market and PIF. Yassir of PIF is a golf fanatic and loyal to LIV. It will be interesting to see what happens if Rory does win the Masters.
Love you guys, but you are to close to the tour to have perspective. Some of the comments here have more sense (not mine!)
26 MINUTES? WHY?
The PGA shit the bed pretty bad here gents. WOKE. Let's not gloss over the core reason this happened in the first place, can't fix stupid and powerful. JR was forced to withdraw from the Memorial Tournament while leading 3rd round by 6 strokes. Hate to say it but the PGA is a relic.
Ah men bothers
The LIV is great for TV
But would SSG/pga cut losses by selling DP tour knowing if they did, Liv would snatch it up and create their own Liv world league that would now earn points. This would give Liv the upper hand and not need pga anymore and continue to lure more players over. And more players will come over once Liv starts earning points. So pga might still want to keep DP tour just to keep it out of liv hands.
So, the 10 events in the "Galaxy Tour" wouldn't carry world ranking points? That would be an interesting twist - the "Guardians of the Galaxy" would have to go back to play with the unwashed to keep their fancy-schmantzy status.
I can't stand the LIV format so I hope the final outcome is as they suggest. Let the PGAT do their thing and same with LIV/World and bring the guys together for 8-10 events a year. Have the best of both.
For me LIV vs PGA will likely turn out like our politics sadly. Just animosity and hatred for entertainment purposes. Count me out. PK and GM have it about right here. No going back......
How is Phil looking now ? Phil tried to tell them. They tried to destroy Phil . Sad Phil gave the tour a lot eyes on golf .
'Rory and Scottie suffer... competitive spirit'. lolol give me a break
You guys need to stop talking sense 😂😂. How the hell is Jay still in charge. He is the only CEO in the world who doesn’t front the media and keeps his job. People blame Norman for the divide but it’s come down to Jay not entertaining the idea to sit down and actually find out what PIF wanted . He then went to SSG thought he could play them and they took Rham. They will partner with the UAE (Dubai Port Tour) and take LIV even further globally. Then they will pay the ladies what they are deserving of and take over it as well. Then it’s game over PGA.
No DP no Ryder Cup
LIV will buy DPWT and control a big part of the Ryder Cup, then Rory will be forced to play on LIV because his weakness is his passion for the Ryder Cup, and he will leave the PGAT if he must in order to play on the Ryder Cup. Once LIV control the Ryder Cup qualification for Euro players then there will be a massive power shift and none of the top Euro players will be on the PGAT anymore.
This is why Rory has changed his tune about LIV recently....he knows whats coming and so did Rahm. Rory's only problem now is he doesn't have major exemptions due to not winning a major recently.....
Once LIV gets people at events the takeover is complete. Only thing that don’t like at LIV is not having every group finishing on 18.
They went to liv for the money and not as busy a schedule. What your proposing just stacks there schedule again…
Im Professional Greedy bastards association that is golf today.same age as Gary and have been playing for over 60 years, but i am fast losing interest in professional golf. I was very impressed with the insight
I really think that LIV v PGA would be much better thank Ryder Cup anyway. They all live in the same few neighborhoods and are buddys on the PGA. Many of the Euro's have American wives. Animosity just seems made up. LIV v PGA is real animosity.
Tournaments attract the best fields they can. Power is with the players now A LIV golfer has an obligation for 14 LIV events and then can be a free agent. TOURS // LEAGUES less value
If Scheffler can keep making putts, McIlroy won't be all that any more. Scheffler would become the star and everyone else will be a walk-on like when Woods or Nicklaus were at their peaks.
14:40 doesnt matter these young no name golfers can beat anyone. They want a superstar tour nevermind the ones coming up. No name golfers don't sell. Big name golfers might as well go to liv. They dont play every week and when they do they cant win against a solid massive field. I like liv but once u get past the big names the pga tour dominates.
I'd love to use that GC Quad to practice my wedge game - anyone have a spare $16,000?!!!
LIV is a great product RIGHT NOW
Imagine LIV buying the golf channel and Brandel working for them 😂
The LPGA found a way to work with the PIF in the Aramco Team Series offering Rolex World Ranking points and Solheim Cup points to the individual players without forcing the ladies to choose between which tour they were going to play...........Just sayin, it's time for all of the boys to grow up and end the pissing contest, it's ruining your sport!!! CZcams Golf is more interesting at this point with Bryson, Tommy Fleetwood, Rickie Fowler, Jon Rahm, etc. all collaborating with youtubes finest Grant Horvat, Peter Finch, Rick Shiels, Bob does Sports, The Bryan Bros, and the Good Good Boys!
Gentleman, you’re overcomplicating this. The solution is already in place and is proving to work. LIV players are 1. Part of a team (this pertains to just LIV events). LIV tournaments operate just like collegiate golf. Teams and independent rankings - extremely straight forward and 2. Independent players playing on the international tour. The points they accrue independently on the international tour strictly only pertain to the international tour. There is no reason why they can’t do the same thing with PGA. I know what you’ll say “international series is a feeder series for LIV ” - this is irrelevant. Points are points. The answer lies in open borders being established between both tours. This would allow players to form teams including alternates (that only matter during LIV events) and can still play independently, earning points for the fed ex cup or whatever else. No minimums required. Meaning, if your team only plays one LIV event, it simply will not win the team championship. It would be up to their discretion to play as little or much as they want just like individual play. Yes, there would be multiple standings for fans to follow (LIV team standings, LIV individual standings, fed ex cup points, etc), HOWEVER, these would form consistent metrics to be able to reestablish some sort of world golf rankings. Personally, I hope the PIF purchase the golf channel so they can put the product on display and let it speak for itself. I am not promoting everything that LIV is about (DJ playing on the first tee for example), however, I absolutely loved playing collegiate golf and being part of the team element and it 100% makes sense to me that it exists in pro golf on a permanent basis (not just Ryder cup and presidents cup). As for minimum guarantees, qualifying and the likes - there is no reason why they can’t still use something similar to the korn ferry tour, international series, etc. Once qualified, a player would be drafted in to an existing team as an alternate and payed a rookie minimum plus winnings. After their rookie year, they would form a new team with other new players - either by choice or at random by the league. Once they are in the system, they can be traded around team to team like anything else. If they simply do not want to play team golf, they will not have to. In that case, a player would get through Korn ferry tour or whatever else and that would qualify them for all tours which means they could strictly just enter the PGA tour system, if they choose. Otherwise, they would also enter the “draft portal”. Eventually, this will create team structures similar to a number of different sports. Most valid example, again, is current collegiate golf. K&M, if you want to chat more, I have ideas for days with the experience to match. Stay sane, boys!
Imagine a Tuesday where Team A challenges Team B and it is streamed …. Imagine the content
If you sat down and tried to screw up men’s professional golf they couldn’t have a better job! LIV, PGA Tour, DP Tour are trying to untangle what they have collectively created. While SSG are smart guys they are not going to take on PIF because they can out spend them (and destroy them financially) and not even notice.
In all of this you need sponsors to commercially bankroll whatever this looks like, and today sponsors are increasingly disenchanted with what’s on offer. If you cannot develop that it’s a pipe dream. The other problem is golf is a niche sport, and while everyone talks about growing the game none of them have explained how they are going to do that. Just maybe that’s the problem with golf, and without tens of millions of eyeballs it’s just doesn’t make commercial sense with the numbers being thrown about. The Masters attracted 10 million viewers last year which three times the number every other tournament including the Ryder Cup attracts. Monday night NFL 33 million, Formula one 75 million. At what point is there a reality check!
thanks for the thoughts and comment Kevin
Stop talking sense you guys and listen to those muppets Monahan and Chamblee.
Seriously, everyone get their heads together and sort this mess out. World tour has to happen now.
ATP ...... just copy it
Everyone in the Golf World owes Phil Mickelson an apology for the way they treated him. Everything he said about the PGA Tour and Jay Monaghan was true.
The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil. I wonder who said that????? Oh yeah I remember….Jesus. I’ll stick with Jesus.
Liv buying golf channel. Brandel flipping burgers.
If liv gets McIlroy and Scheffler the pga tour would be dead.
thanks Edward...agree it probably would be
It’s already dead tour walking Jay destroyed them
Screw Rory.
I've tried watching LIV and to be honest, it's boring. It feels like a corporate outing. There is no drama. And the tv ratings show it.
Last LIV event was one of the best and most entertaining tournaments I've seen in a very long time. I can't watch PGA anymore. 100+ ranked players are winning now. There's almost no one left in pga.
@alienrenders That's not true to say there is almost no one left on the PGA Tour. And their TV ratings still crush LIV's.
@@wks4511 Adelaide crushes anything pga puts out in terms of ratings. And there is no one left in pga. You have 100+ players winning.
thanks for the comment
@@wks4511only if you just look at American ratings. New World wide channels have LIV ratings going up and I have watched since day one. Great product and production chops getting better 👍