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Using the HeadRush MX 5 with the Hotone Ampero MIDI Controller
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- Using the HeadRush MX 5 with the Hotone Ampero MIDI Controller is a great and powerful solution that HeadRush users have been looking for to expand the capabilities of their HeadRush setup. Doing this will offer you endless possibilities as you can setup the Ampero Control to work the HR Looper, turn on/off Signal Blocks within a HR Rig, assign a tap tempo, and more. All you need is the Ampero Control, a MIDI Cable, and the Ampero Control App which you can download from the App Store for iOS and Android. Enjoy the video.
0:00 Intro
0:43 Gear Needed
1:27 Setup
2:32 HR MX5 MIDI Setup
2:46 Using the App
If you want to see a setup video for the Ampero Control, watch this one.
• Hotone Ampero Control ...
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Thanks Scott, that was super helpful! I have a gig in Seattle in a month and wanted make my mx5 easier to use
Sounds good. Have a great gig
Just to update my earlier comment, I’m now using a meloaudio midi switch with a headrush gigboard, the meloaudio has 8 foot switches so inables me to control 8 blocks at once in stead of banking up & down. Also this frees up the 4 foot switches on the gigboard to go directly to 4 different pedalboards at any one time. It’s really great.
Incidentally I moved back to the gigboard due to the larger screen. As I always need glasses with the mx5. Thanks for you help this setup has been a great success. Cheers 🥂
Excellent. Thanks for sharing
Hi just wanted to thank you pedal guy, for quite a while now I’ve had a head rush gigboard and I wished it had more foot switches, anyway having seen your vid I thought I’d give the Ampero midi controller a try, and I’m pleased to say it was a fantastic purchase. It works well was easy to program and now I can get the most out of my gigboard. Cheers pedal guy 👍🎸all the best.
Glad I could help!
Thanks for posting. My mx5 should be in Thursday. Can’t wait. I was chatting with Headrush and they said you can go USB out to an iPhone (that’s with using the USB to Lightning adapter) so you can record videos and the mx5 audio will record. Could you cover that in a video?
That’s a good suggestion. I’ll look into it
I just found your channel. Very informative channel. Banging my head against the wall trying to my Blackstar Live Logic to control my Headrush core.
Enjoy the channel. Unfortunately I’ve not used the Core or that particular Blackstar
Great video. I can see this working great with the Gigboard as well. I may pick one of these up.
Yes indeed
Just a heads up you could also just set cc toggles off and on to 127 without momentary mode and it will accomplish the same thing. At least on mine it does.
Cool. Thanks for sharing
Ideal thanks Scott!👍
You bet!
great!!! That's exactly what I wanted.
Glad to help
The MIDI cable recommended at around 1:13 is a strange choice, because the MX5 has 1/8 inch TRS MIDI cable sockets, not standard 5 pin. I believe Boss makes an appropriate TRS to 5 pin MIDI cable.
Hi Jimmy. I haven't tried the Boss cable so I can't confirm that this would work. I have tried the Arturia cable and it didn't work, so just getting a standard MIDI cable like the one I recommended would be a better idea.
@@ThePedalGuy The MX5 doesn't have standard 5-pin MIDI sockets, so how did you plug in the cable you recommended?
@@jimmyrh247 the Mx5 includes two TRS to midi adapter cables in the box. Then you just need a midi cable to connect it up to any midi controller
@@ThePedalGuy Ah, I see, thanks! Boss products seem to require buying adapters separately, so well done Headrush.
please do a demo on nux mg300 using ampero control
It's a little easier said than done as some sort of MIDI IO is needed to make that work.
Good vid
Thanks!
Thanks for the excellent video! Two questions. Can you program the 4 buttons to access any 4 separate rigs in the MX5? Also, can you set the buttons to switch or scroll through rigs while in looper mode? Thanks!
If you press center and right button simultaneously while in looper it goes to next rig up and center and left is toggle rig down.
What Che said...
@@che2335 wow I can believe I missed this. Thank you so much!
@@ThePedalGuy ha!
@@starluxstudio619 no prob, how do u get the best tone thru an amp or frfr 108/112?
perfect! Thanks
You’re welcome
I know you have answered a ton of questions already, and I bought this device because of your video. It works just as you describe it, and I couldn't be happier. However... How would I set things in the Ampero app to make one of the buttons a tap tempo? I can see that it is controller 64, but what about the other app settings? Thanks. This is a great product!!
Thanks for the tutorial!
Im wondering if you could setup in a way that if you push 1 button you can turn on and off not only one, but several blocks simultaneously? Also can you switch between 2 amps? The way I'd need it in my rig is to have 2 amps (A-B), where 'A' would be a dirty/heavy tone amp to which I could add extra drive/delay/rev etc. to have a lead sound, and 'B' would be a clean sounding amp, if that makes sense...
Thank you fou your video. Just a couple of qustions, please?
How could you use a PC message?
How and why would you send a message from MX 5 to Ampero Control?
Thank you
Scott, I know it’s been a while since you covered the MX5. But to your knowledge, can the Alesis SR18 midi clock be synced with the looper of the MX5? I am trying but didn’t know if it was possible.
As far as I can remember the looper on the mx5 does not sync to external clock
This is perfect. Thanks!
However, I have 2 questions. Would it be possible to program 1 footswitch on the midi controller to mimic pressing 2 footswitches on the mx5 simultaneously? And what about mimicking footswitch hold?
Yes, you can set up multiple messages on a single footswitch.
@@ThePedalGuy Hmmm so this means you can program 1 footswitch on the midi controller to switch to the next rig and another to switch to the previous rig since you'd normally have to tap either FS1 + FS2 or FS2 + FS3 on the MX5 to do that? 🤔
@@raffydu All of the available MIDI parameters are listed at the back of the MX5 manual. That will tell you specifically what can be done.
Have you tried to use CC# 50 to 53? I'm trying to use them in order to have a redundancy of the footswitches on the floor because my Headrush stays on my desk. However it's not working properly. I'm using momentary mode (sending 127 and then 0). Sometimes it works fine, sometimes don't and sometimes it activates the secondary options of the headrush footswitches. BTW I'm using a Gigboard.
Do you have a video showing how to switch channels on an external midi compatible amp with the MX5?
Hello thanks for the video, I have a question, can I use HoTone FS-1 Ampero Switch with MX5 aswell?
That should work fine
that is awesome! is it possible to program the pedal as a 4th footswitch? And is possible to use only 1 button for the looping doing recording, stop, delete? thank you
Thank you. Just a question. What cables etc. Should i need to purchase to connect it to mx5. Im planning to put up my first pedalboard with the MX5 and hotone controller. Will add other pedals eventually. Thanks
Hi, I got an MX5 a few days ago and have been loving your content since! Question: is it possible to use these extra footswitches to control scenes?
Unfortunately not. The MIDI controls that the MX5 responds too are on page 28 of the HR manual.
I use this controller with my gigboard mostly to have access to the looper and tap tempo while on the normal rig view. I tried to map a switch to control one of the gigboard switches, but no matter how I program it I always get the hold function of the switch. For example, if I program an ampero switch to control gigboard switch 3 I will always invoke the looper screen instead of the scene or whatever on that switch. If there's a way to make this work I'd like to know...
I don't just press GB switch 3 because it's on my desk... because bending over to fiddle with the touchscreen with a guitar is ridiculous.
Not sure how to advise here. I would reach out to Hotone to see if they have any advice.
Nice content 👍🏻 Have you sent a command to the footswitches on the MX5, rather than the blocks? When i do this, by default, the MX5 triggers the secondary function of the switches not the primary, i.e. assigning a CC to switch 3 brings up the Tuner as opposed to what is assigned to that switch.
I have not set it up to send commands like that as far as I can recall.
Great tutorial! Definitely makes the unknown a little less “scary”. This may be a silly question, but if I disconnect the foot switch from my MX5, would I need to reprogram, or will it keep everything for the next time I plug it in?
Hi, thanks for the tutorial! I have question, is it possible to assign to a single footswitch the Bank up and the other to a Bank down?
Hi. All of the available midi commands are in the mx5 manual
@@ThePedalGuy ok thanks
Thanks for the informative video! Quick question: can I use a different brand other than the hotone ampero? Such like the M-Wave chocolate BT?
You can use whatever midi controller you want
@@ThePedalGuy thanks a lot!
@@ThePedalGuy If you have instructions for the M-Vave Chocolate I would appreciate it!
@@TheXIT Sorry I don't
Excellent vid! My MX5 and Hotone are shipping this weekend - can't wait to set this all up and ditch my current setup! Do you have a link to those right angle midi cables you used? I'm most concerned about best orientation for compact positioning. (I.e. - Hosa rt angle are mirrored vertical connections, which might not be best for the Hotone.)
I carry the cables on my Reverb and eBay stores. They are the Rockboard Flat Patch MIDI cables.
Seems the MX5's toggle behavior is reversed (from what is shown in the video for signal blocks) when receiving note values for the CCs that control the looper functions. From the Momentary type Group A (on press) and Group B (on release) the Looper CCs seem to want note value 0 on press and 127 on release.
This is a great how to video and made it so easy to setup the hotone ampero to my Headrush gigboard. I programmed it to both blocks and the looper, no problem. Great to be able to operate the looper with needing leave the rig view. But have a question, it appears your able to stop, start, record and overdub. Here's the issue, the peel function (CC72) works to delete the last layer recorded. There doesn't appear to be a way to clear via midi in the same was as on headrush on board switches. On the headrush, a tap on the peel switch deletes the last layer record, a tap and hold on the same peel switch delete the entire loop session. Tapping and hold the switch on the hotone, programmed to CC72 does nothing. It appears you are limited to only deleting one layer at a time, unless I'm missing something. Any ideas on this?
Sorry, not sure I can help you with this one. Have you contacted HR?
Not yet. That’s next after asking you. Thanks for replying.
Is it possible to assign multiple commands to one switch, example, on tap it toggles a block on-off and on hold it does something else?
Hi good video, is there a way with midi to control with one switch of the midi controller the action of changin a bank, that in the mx5 you should need to click 2 switches at the same time?
hi, can the ampero have two midi notes like to control more than one block in one switch?
You can program multiple messages on a single footswitch, yes
Great video - thank you! Have you found a way to trigger the MX-5 looper from a Beat Buddy via midi? I would like to be able to automatically start the looper record after the beat buddy finishes a count in and stop playing once I end the beat buddy. Thank you.
That's a great and useful clip. Quick question but can the Ampero do latching, momentary etc.?
I just watched again and I think the answer is yes?
Yes, you should be able to program it to toggle, momentary, and other options.
Can you use the hotone to activate /deactivate groups of pedals? Or change scenes?
Hello. Great videos.
I have hooked my midi pedal up to the three footswitches but they don’t do the stomp function.
They always act as if the pedal is being held down.
Can this be changed? Is there a way for my midi pedal to activate the stomp function of the Headrush?
I have trouble with the HeadRush footswitches when playing live.
It depends on what midi switch you’re using. If it’s an Ampero control the footswitch needs to be set to toggle.
Thanks. I’m using the Behringer FCB1010. It’s new to me so I don’t know much about it.
@@brentpower yea that’s a much more difficult board to get around in. But thankfully there are a lot of good vids on YT that will help you.
Spent several hours learning the board already. I might return it and get an ampero if it can control the foot switches in a toggle mode. Thanks
Hey dude - love the video but I have a question from an absolute beginner!
I have a Bias Mini 300W head (MIDI in/out > accepts and sends CC and PC messages) & a Headrush MX5 Board.
How can I use a MIDI controller to do the following for example?
1. Press footswitch 1 on the midi controller > Change Bias Mini to clean present & activate Chorus+Delay on Headrush MX5
2. Press footswitch 2 on the midi controller > Change Bias Mini to Overdrive preset & deactive Chorus+Delay on Headrush MX5
Hello, I enjoyed the video. Does the #cc50-52 footswitch 1-3 work well? My mx5 does not have a good controller, so please inquire
Hi. Not sure what you're asking for here. Can you please expand.
@@ThePedalGuy Block on/off activated in the video works well with most MIDI controllers, but there are MIDI switches with hold-on function like footswitch 1-3 that do not work properly. I wonder if it works well when assigned the corresponding cc50-52
Just getting started with this. is it possible to change between scenes and setlists ? That seems most useful to me to pick a setlist then change to scene mode for song then back to setlist
It's been quite awhile since I last used the MX5 so I completely forgot.
@@ThePedalGuy I figured out a way to make it do what I wanted. I have to just load my setlist then goto rig mode and then I can use f1 to togle between the rigs and f2 - f4 to turn the scenes on and off
Would m-vave chocolate midi controller work with headrush mx5?
Anything that sends MIDI should be fine.
Hello.. question…
Can i conect with the bluetooth ?
I set up the Ampero control as shown in your video. But I can't on/off the stomp pedal on Headrush MX5. Do I need a separate setup? I can't find it in MX5. It's not in the manual. In Hardware Assign, I can only set up three pedals on my console. What should I do ? Please help me.
Please look for the availalbe MIDI commands in the MX5 manual.
One thing I’m confused about. What template should I use for the Hotone controller?
Probably need to program a custom template
I’d like to know how to control my DAW with this pedal.
Thanks for the suggestion
i had dual footswitch,,can i add it to mx5?..so far i don"t find any menu to accommodate my dual footswitch on my mx5
Can you do a video on using the external inputs? I have a Meloaudio Expression Pedal EXP-001 and I can't get it to work with this controller. Thanks.
I'll see what I can do.
For using an expression pedal through MIDI, the only way right now is to use CC#1, 0-127. It will control only pedal A on any Headrush device. Still hoping they break out a MIDI CC# for B. Not a big deal, as you can still control A from MIDI and B by plugging in an expression pedal.
wowwww cool....and it works with a dual switch imput TRS?
The Ampero control has an input for more footswitches but not the mx5. It only accepts an external expression pedal
Can you use this MIDI controller for scenes?
All of the MIDI commands are listed in the HR manual.
Você sabe se é possível ligar o Hotone fs-1 ? Com 2 switch. Obrigado
Hi again Pedal Guy,,,,, just wondering if you might be able to help. I have the Gigboard with this Ampero connected and its setup to just control each of the Headrushes footswitches and it works great. Just wondering, if I bought a two button Ampero switcher is there any way for it to control just turning on and off the tuner if I plug it inot the CTR on the 4 button controller......? cheers
Sorry that one I don’t have an answer
I’m new to modelers, please pardon if this is a dumb question. Can this be setup to where I can use the foot switches on the mx5 to turn on and off the effects in the chain and use the ampero to turn on and off 4 more effects in the same chain? So you have 7 switches to turn on and off like a regular pedalboard. Hope you get what I’m asking. Thanks so much
Hi. Thanks for the question. If you check the MX5 manual, it will show you what MIDI functions are available.
@@ThePedalGuy will do thanks
Can you assign scenes to this??
Does it works with the headrush looperboard plz?
Sure. Anything that sends/recipients MIDI will work
@@ThePedalGuy thanks
Hi. I have the gigboard, do you know the cc command to bank up? on the gigboard bank up and bank down change the patch in the ampero.
All of the CC’s are in the back of the Gigboard manual
Wait what's A group vs B group doing? Is that bank (like you do at 6:08) or what happens on Release? (Since you set same CC to 0)?
Hello, Is there a way to use the Ampero to to pull up individual Rigs that I made? I use "Setlist" Mode and want to be able to pull up any of my 14 Rigs that I use in a live show at any given time. EX: Rig # 110 and then switch to Rig #244 or whatever rig I have in my setlist. Thank you!
The best way to do this would be to copy and paste the patches that you want to access quickly in the Ampero Editor according to the setlist order. That's at least the way I would do it.
Is it possible to have the ampero change rigs instead of turning on/off effect blocks?
If it's listed in the Ampero as a MIDI CC, then yes.
I'm having a few issues. I'm in Stomp mode. I set up Control to send rig up and rig down messages by sending simultaneous midi controls to channels 50-51 and 51-52 respectively. It's working ... sort of. However, I'm having some issue:
1. Sometimes it jumps 2 rigs instead of one. It also sometimes jumps to the new rig for a second then immediately jumps back to former rig. Both these things seem to happen a bit randomly, because sometimes it's works correctly.
2. It totally messes up the footswitches on the MX5. They start banking up and down instead of turning their assigned effect on and off. I you play with the switches for a while they eventually perform their assigned function, but it's all over the map
It's like the Control just gets the mx5 confused. I don't' know if it's the Control or the Mx5, but the combination is not working. I've messed with single, toggle, and momentary settings and that doesn't seem to make any difference. If the setting works at all, it also creates all the glitches.
Any insights?
Hi Brad,
if I can help you,
I set as "momentary" on an ampero switch CC 50 (127 A -- 0 B) and 51 (127 A -- 0 B) and antoher switch on 51 (127 A -- 0 B) and 52 (127 A -- 0 B) and it works for me, no more glitches
Is it posible to asign different rigs to each button of the midi pedal?
All of the functions that you can trigger via MIDI are listed on Page 28 of the MX5 manual.
Hey Scott! How do I make my Tap Tempo button a different color other than green? try it..its not doing it for me
I'll have to look and see if that's possible.
Quick question dude, when you stomp on the control does it change instantly or is it the same as pressing a switch on the mx5 with the change on release?
Thanks for your time.
As in does the Headrush change instantly when you hit the switches on the ampero? Thanks
Can it also work with nux mg30?
Kind of. You will need something in between the mg30 and the Ampero Control
Can I use the MIDI footswitch to instead change patches and use the MX-5 footswitches to change banks/play looper/use tuner etc?
Please refer to the list of MIDI messages in the HR manual. That will tell you what's possible.
@@ThePedalGuy Hey, been looking at it and it's all Greek to me. Very new to all this, so I was hoping for an easy answer. 😁
Thanks tho!
@@alizulkifalahmed9315 We all have to start somewhere, like I did back in the early 90s. MIDI takes practice. The answer to your question is literally on page 28 of the manual.
Do I need a 3.5mm to MIDI 5pin cable?
Hello, quick question, can I use the ampero control, to control tap tempo on the MX5 and an external delay pedal? (simultaneously)
Kind of. Basically you would go midi out of the Ampero control to midi in on the mx5 then midi out on the mx5 to the delay pedal midi input. Additionally you would need to turn on midi thru on the mx5. But that should work.
@@ThePedalGuy sorry for the noob question. So no need for a midi clock then?
@@musicandthewalk I don't think so in this instance. There's no clock generation.
@@ThePedalGuy Thanks for the info!
Can you use the Hottone Duel Switcher with the MX5 or the Gigboard?
Not sure what you mean?
Hi, Have you tried the M-Vave Chocolate MIDI Controller? It's about 1/3 of the cost and can be an amazing alternative. I'm still in testing and will have a link sometime soon.
I haven't tried that one.
It does work great but the devices are functional different.
MVave has a built in battery, multiple Modes including remote Keyboard via Bluetooth. MIDI Out via TRS.
But no bank switching for commands so you can only program 8 CC with short and long press,
if you use TRS midi, you loose port for a the expression controller(no problem with the MX5).
No midi Thru
Do u need a different power source to use the midi controller?
Either the included power supply for the Ampero Control or USB
@@ThePedalGuy the Headrush USB does not Power the Ampero?
@@felipeboca no it doesn’t work like that.
Hello Again. Would you know how to recall mx5 presets from the hotone?
Once you create a preset bank for the Ampero Control, you should be able to recall them at any time using the app.
@@ThePedalGuy im currently trying it out but with a different midi controller. Im able to make it work with CC messages. But PC messages does not work for me
@@ThePedalGuy Hey just an update. I was able to solve my own problem. As it turns out the way the PC messages is numbered in the mx5 is different with my midi controller (morningstarfx/MC3). Im not sure if it is a bug with the mx5 since the PC messages in my other pedals match what I send out with my MC3. So when I send out a pc 2 message from my MC 3 its read as PC 1 in my mx5.
@@musicandthewalk good to know. Thanks for sharing
Thabks for the video! If i get this right you can't be in hybrid mode and have a scene on fs1?
What i'm trying to do is to be able to change rigs with the footswitch and at the same time be able to switch from clean to heavy sound in the same rig, is it possible?
***edit, i just saw that you can't assign a midi input to toggle a scene or change a rig***.... am i doomed hahaha?
Thanks. All of the functions that you can trigger via MIDI are listed on Page 28 of the MX5 manual.
Thanks for this video Guy !
I have the (Hotone ampero control 4)
like you. But I can't connect it to my (Headrush Looperboard)
I can't find it in the application (Ampero control)
How do I do it? Thanks a lot for your help 🙏
Did you download the app for your phone?
@@ThePedalGuy yes yes Of course I watched your video with the (Mx5) but I still didn't succeed.
I'm on many forums but nobody found the solution..😭
And I have a concert date at the end of January ! I absolutely have to find a solution. I think that you are the only person who can help me...🙏😱
@@AlexiPrevitali did you also watch my video on how to setup the Ampero contol? czcams.com/video/2bYMxO_e7PE/video.html
You will need to create a bank for the Looperboard specifically in order to make it work.
@@ThePedalGuy Yes of course that's what I said in the previous comment. I need to create a bank in what name? Actually, I can't find the (Headrush) in the (Ampero) application
@@AlexiPrevitali right. That’s exactly what I said. You are going to have to create your own custom bank specifically for the Headrush Looperboard. Hotone doesn’t provide one. So you will need to refer to the looper board Manual, locate the controller messages and controller numbers that you want to program into the Ampero Control and create a bank.
Hey man, will the Hotone midi switcher work with the headrush Gigboard? ? thanks
Yes absolutely
Thanks man
do you think this would work with the line 6 m5
It has midi so you should be able to access a lot of the m5 features. I would think that would be listed in their manual