What if Obi Wan Joined Count Dooku In Attack Of The Clones?
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Could you please do a what if of what if Kar vastor became a sith Lord and a what if of the transitions and Tuscan raiders Rose to power
What if Bo-Katan Kryze was a stronger and better fighter than Maul and Pre Vizsla combined, thus defeating Maul and/or Sabine Wren in combat for leadership of Mandalore and/or the Darksaber?
What if Count Dooku became the Chancellor in Episode 1?
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The more likely reason for Obi-Wan to join Dooku is simply because he believed him about Sidious, which means the purpose to turn was to stop a greater evil.
What If Jedi Master Dooku trained Obi-Wan while Qui-Gon Jinn trained Anakin
The whole damn saga would be different
@@Grievous0077 it would be a spicy story😂.
Let's say dookus training had Obi-Wan still be a master of form 3, but dooku had him also master form 2, so obiwan is a goat of defense and offense.
Let's say Qui-Gons training had anakin adopt form 4 and 5 , mastering both. Using heavy strikes, with athletic moves aswell.
If anakin still fell to the dark, it would be interesting if Obi-Wan and anakin have to fight.
They don't know eachother well enough. They'd have to have an actual fight. Neither holding anything back, as they have no brother bond
@@DisturbedGeneration damn this sounds dope
The greyjedi
I don't think that Kenobi would give in to the dark side but I could see him and Dooku joining forces in memory of Qi-Gon but without the whole area scene. They could've left together in order to abandon the Jedi and the Sith, training in a balanced way of the force, overthrowing Sidious AND Yoda (and other Light Side extremists) to bring balance to the force.
Yeah but that's every other what if about this.
They're all " he's a double agent".
I like this one.
Balance in Star Wars means inner balance thus the use of the dark side is anything but a hindrance towards achieving that balance
its also likely Anakin would never be killed rather tortured until he complied and forgot all his jedi teachings
While I don't buy ProfWollhoven's premise that a balanced way of the force involves a compromise between the Light Side and the Dark Side, I _do_ think that there was more going on than Sidious manipulating everyone. The Jedi actually _did_ have flaws that needed to be uncovered and corrected before balance could be achieved; and ProfWollhoven is correct in identifying these flaws as a form of extremism.
I also think it more likely that Dooku wouldn't have Obi-Wan's agreement to ally with him against Sidious to become public knowledge. It would have been far more likely that he would have revealed Sidious' identity to Obi-Wan, defused the Geonosis incident before it blew up into the Clone Wars, and then worked with Obi-Wan to devise a strategy to unmask Palpatine.
He would, however, reject any plan that involved going to the Jedi Council; and that would be his downfall. Palpatine would quickly recognize Dooku's treachery, well before Dooku could act against him; and he'd kill Dooku first.
But that, in turn, would free Obi-Wan up to tell the Council that Palpatine was a Sith. And given that information before Palpatine could trigger a Clone War, the Council could end his threat before his plans for Anakin were even remotely ready.
The secret marriage between Anakin and Padme would still happen; but without Palpatine around to drive a wedge between Anakin and the Council or to plant seeds of fear in Anakin’s mind, the eventual confrontation between Anakin and the Jedi Order about its extremist stance against personal attachments would play out very differently.
And there _would_ be a confrontation, possibly as late as the births of Luke and Leia. I have no doubt that Anakin, and Padme, would grow increasingly frustrated about having to hide their relationship; and I suspect that having to pretend that his children weren't his would be a breaking point for him. But again, without Sidious or the Clone War, it wouldn't lead to Anakin becoming Darth Vader. Heck, he might even be able to show the Jedi the error of their ways.
Anakin cannot die Just like that,he Is the chosen one.
Also Dooku still wanted to help the galaxy and it's people, he only thought that the segnate was corrupted
Imagine Dooku offers to train Anakin instead of leaving the Jedi Order at the conclusion of TPM..
One major flaw in this theory is that you missing that Satine of Mandalor is as important to Obi-wan as Padmé is to Anakin. Since if she is involved in one way or another he will try to protect her almost to the point of how Anakin does when it comes to Padmé. As the knowledge said when he declared Obi-Wan love for Satine in the clone wars tv show .
Sideline…
Also what if Anakin when to save Satine together with Obi-Wan?
The effects on Anakin and on Obi-Wan. One has maybe done this theory before. But it felt a bit too shallow. Since it does not go deep enough into what will be the effect on the galaxy at that point and on Anakin but also on the force. Would be interesting theory to see you make.
Well in episode 2 I always believed count dooku was always planning on betraying darth sidous that’s why he tried to recruit obi wan
Id like to see a “What if Revan was around during the clone wars”
What if Anakin was born on Mandalore?
Hey Fantasy, could you do a what if Padmé told Obi Wan about Anakins nightmares? Before he turned to the dark side.
I'm curious how would that turn out
Great idea!
@@FantasyFolklore Thank you, love your videos btw. I always enjoy the idea what if.
Anakin would never go to where count dooku was in the original timeline because it was obi wan who persuaded Anakin to help him beat dooku so therefore Anakin would have found Padmé but I love your videos
I don't think obi wan would allow dooku to kill Anakin I think obi wan would convinced dooku to spare Anakin saying he will join the dark side eventually but great what if as always
I love your theories. Fresh voices in the star wars community
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great one man also next what if make what if yoda and mace accepted anakin in the phantom menace but instead of qui gon he is trained by yoda and mace and allow him to form attachment because the chosen one brings balance in all aspects
Hmm I don't think they would allow Anakin to have attachments. That's the whole reason they didn't want him trained, because of his age he had already made emotional attachments - his mother. Windu really didn't want him trained. Although, it would be an interesting video idea if Anakin felt accepted and wanted in the Jedi order, might have changed his perspective on things and he wouldn't have felt like an outsider his whole training.
What if emperor Palpa teen killed Anakin?
What is Kylo Ren killed ray?
oh and Fantasy Folklore add what if jango fett never died what if pong krell never turned to the dark side what if sifo dyas never died and many more you can do it bro
Might do What If Sifo Dyas never died, the other two wouldn't cause a significant enough change I don't think. Maybe a a What If Pong Krell Never Died could be a good one? I think Sidious would consider him a valuable asset
I think Anakin would've held out untill Yoda came. And with Anakin being alone he might rush there to protect the chosen one. This would turn the fight, keeping Anakin alive during order 66. Perhaps Dooku wouldve been killed by Anakin like in the main timeline before he and Obi Wan could fullfill their plans. Giving Obi Wan more of a Maul story arc trying to pick off Anakin to be granted his spot under Palpatine.
I like that this one has Obi-Wan as an actual sith!.
Most other what ifs had obi Wan as a double agent for the jedi.
So I love that obi Wan actual went " fuck yeah I wanna rule the galaxy".
What if Maul killed Savage Orpress and left the tunnels himself
Hey Fantasy folklore another great what if as always i am pretty sure obi wan will not become a sith he will be like dooku an anti sith. Also for an idea maybe you can make what if count dooku was a double agent
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This what if Is a Little impossible,Simply Anakin cannot die,he Is the chosen one,also don't forget that Yoda was in the Jedi Temple With more than 3000 jedis (Temple's guards and other jedis). Also Dooku was not a Sith,he hated Sith and Jedi equally
what if when mace windu went to fight palpatine he brought clones instead of other jedi its a great idea please acknowledge it
Well done
What is Count Dooku killed Obi-Wan?
What IF ANAKIN JOINED COUNT DOOKU?!
What If the Jedi had a vision of what Anakin would grow up to become collectively in the Phantom Menace? Would they all train him or try to kill him? How would Obi Wan react?
Didn’t dooku only want to rebuild the Jedi kinda and not rule the world as bad as palpatine?
I think your ideas of way better one I think we all agree that yours is far better that they should’ve been in the video as well or somebody should make a video where this guy definitely sure you’re I’m totally on board that is amazing. That’s absolutely that’s better than them. What doing what they did in this video you have a better idea.
What if Mace Windu killed Dooku in the Genosis arena?
This theory is flawed for one major reason:
Anakin was already deeply in love with Padme. If the events of the arena on Geonosis would have transpired the same way (minus Kenobi as prisoner), then when Dooku and now Kenobi were making their escape, there would have been no one in Anakin's ear to tell him to keep pursuing them. His initial intent was to turn around and rescue Padme after she fell out, but Obi Wan convinced him not to. Without Kenobi there to change his mind, Anakin would have likely ordered the ship to turn around and save Padme instead, meaning he would have never got in a duel with Kenobi and Dooku on Geonosis, resulting in his theorized death.
I wonder if Anakin would refuse joining the dark side if he saw someone he knew fall to the dark side before him, like Obi wan or Asoka.
I believe that Anakin would survive against Dooku and Obiwan. Anakin would have still lost his hand. Dooku and Obiwan would have fought yoda.
What if Obi-Wan Kenobi killed Anakin on Musta far?
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I'm not much of a fan of Obi-Wan going completely to the dark side as good as your story is. I'd have Anakin saved by Yoda, who escape and report the defection.
Dooku and Obi-Wan could take refuge on a planet within the Council of Neutral Systems when Palpatine senses he will be betrayed. The fugitive duo realise that the true balance of the Force is a blend of the two and draw in some more dissenting Jedi who want to broker a peace deal. This makes the CNS a target for both sides, so Satine reluctantly agrees to form a Swiss style militia in order to deter an invasion, which reduces support for the Death Watch since people no longer need their help. The planets all contribute and form a military that has no chance at winning, but every chance at making an invasion too costly to be worthwhile. This is further underlined by the CNS formally leaving the Republic and standing alone.
The study of the balanced Force naturally draws in Anakin when he reconciles with Obi-Wan and Dooku. Now he has a place where he can share his feelings and attachments, thus steering him away from the Dark Side. Ashoka soon follows and Mace Windu, who already studies the Dark Side, visits and then starts to sway the rest of the Jedi. In the best case scenario, the Jedi Order starts to rethink its role in the war and calls for peace. Palpatine now has a major problem - he can't just Order 66 the Jedi if they're too popular and respected. (The CNS breaking off also hurt his credibility.)
General Grievous (now leader of the CIS, albeit unpopular) and Palpatine decide to sabotage the peace talks on Mandalore, but the plot is foiled and the final duel breaks out. It is revealed they had colluded, so the acting CIS leader and Bail Organa sign a ceasefire that buys time for proper negotiations.
This is not quite a happy end, however. The CIS balkanises into a mess of new conflicts whilst the Republic and Jedi swoop in to restore peace. The Republic too has its own problems as more systems break off to join other factions or form new ones, but this is fairly peaceful in comparison thanks to the diplomatic skills of the reformed Jedi Order. For the next few years, things gradually stabilise with the split CIS turning into two coherent factions. One is republic aligned whilst the other is dominated by criminal syndicates and a secret haven of those who follow the Sith.
There's my rough draft of a different kind of timeline. It's rambly enough, so I'll leave as it is. My main fascination with it is the concept of a credible third power bloc in this war and a negotiated peace resulting in a very diverse galaxy as opposed to one monolithic entity ruling all.
@@FantasyFolklore752 Watch out! This guy is an impersonator and a scammer!
This guy is really forgetting about the Duchess of Mandalore. Part of me thinks he'd kill her, but another part of me hopes he pulls a Maul and usurps the Death Watch. He takes the Dark Saber for himself and becomes the Mand'alor with Satine by his side.
What if Count Dooku became the Supreme Chancellor in Episode One?
Oh that’s what I was thinking of you should definitely be the supreme Chancellor. I would love to see Count Dooku be the supreme Chancellor I think we all would that be really cool Count Dooku as the supreme Chancellor.
I love the way that you’re thinking you have a great idea
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kinda curious how order 66 would've worked so well? if bale commanded all troopers out of systems, then wouldn't the jedi be back to coruscant, and present a united front
You should do "What if Anakin Killed Obi-Wan on Musafar"
Might've spelled the planet wrong, but that's what I remember
I was about to tell you we already have, but I just checked and we haven't! Will for sure get on it!
What is quite gone? Jin killed JoJo Binks
what if anakin had a micholrain count of 80000 per cell instead of 20000
What if Mual only got stabbed and not chopped in half would he have more force potential how would this change the events of Clone Wars?
What is what is 66 never happened
What if Obi-wan was boosted to be more powerful?
He was the master of sorescu according to Windu but what if he mastered makashi too which is an elegant form and it fits Kenobi maybe when Dooku was still a jedi helped him or Shaak ti. He could learn more about ataru and niman (which is the form of diplomat, and Obi-wan was a negotiator).
Obi-wan had the skill to achieve oneness with the Force on the Invisible Hand in ep. 3 when they were captured by Griveous. In that moment he became a tool of the force.
These above combined with the possibility that Obi-wan learns from Windu how to turn his foes hatred back onto them could be Obi-wan's new unique lightsaber form like Windu's vaapad.
If Obi-wan was really a true jedi he could easily learn force heal maybe with the help of Barris Offee or Stass Allie. This could influence Anakin's fear of loosing Padme too. Kenobi maybe decides to learn this power when he switches to sorescu after the death of Qui-Gon.
If he embraced all of these he would be more wiser so his lightsaber could turn from blue to indigo representing wisdom, calmness, intuition.
This Obi-wan is overpowered but it would be a nice what if for the birthday of Ewan McGregor or whatever >.
What if maul survived and dooku and maul betrayed sidous
What if Ahsoka's 332 company did not turn on her because she was no longer apart of the Jedi order but just a citizen who served the Republic and killing her would be a war crime?
What if obi was Darth tryanus
can you make what if anakin was trained by fay???
What if Padme Survived Revenge of the Sith, agreed to separating the Twins, and took Leia to Naboo, while Obi-Wan took Luke to Tattooin? Would Darth Vader have the heart to allow Naboo to be destroyed or would he stop it?
What order 66 never happened
What if doku a sith joins teams with kenobi and anikin (neutral)
What if Anakin killed Padme?
What if Anakin actually stopped the Martez sisters ship in season seven Anakin would meet Ahsoka early.
What if Darth Maul was in A New Hope
What if Depa trained Anakin?
What if Master Arca Jeth trained Anakin?
What if Galen Marek was Anakin's Padawan?
What if Galen Marek was Anakin's Padawan
What if Ahsoka found Galen Marek and trained him
What if Palpatine was killed early in the attack on Coruscant?
What if the most clones were resistant to Order-66 like the Bad-Batch?
What if R2 wasn't bought by Uncle Owen
What if General Grievous reprogramed the droids more to his liking?
What is Padme never got pregnant
Hmm🤔 Interesting How He Says He Hates Is For An Intro🤔
Obi wan is the choosen one
What if Darth revan train Anakin Skywalker
What if Anakin reach his full potential
What if Obi-Wan captured Grievous instead of killing him (in ROTS)?
I feel like that the Original Trilogy would be interesting with Grievous still be alive in this scenario. As well as in another scenario where he survives without being captured or killed.
You glossed over the jedi temple and jedi being wiped out way too fast, it would not be even close to that easy.
i should resign my disney+ subscription if there’s better star wars content on youtube
Anakin would join Obi Wan
No
Dooku never wanted to rule the Galaxy. I’ve watched a few of your vids and it seems you have never took in any information besides the movies
50th
Not good as expected
35th
Honestly I didn’t like this what if because Yoda and Windu are too powerful for mear clone troopers.
This was really bad, man. It reads more like a fanfic without any of the peripheral characters. Palpatine didn't make sense. Ventress and Grievous were missing. This was just bad.
I love your videos man and I usually mostly agree and am fascinated by your alt hypotheticals. But on this one I think you completely missed the mark. This is NOT how it would have gone at all.
Obi-Wan would NEVER join the dark side. And Dooku was a grey Jedi, not a Sith. He used his passion rather than succumbed to it like most Sith did. He knew that hard choices would have to be made and that there would have to be sacrifices, including the Jedi council. Obi Wan wouldn't have been turned to the dark side by Dooku, he would have been swayed to the grey. Especially as Qui-Gon was Obi Wan's greatest and most influential mentor. Obi Wan would have been hearing "grey" perspectives his whole apprenticeship with Qui-Gon.
Under this new criteria, Obi-Wan would have joined Dooku as a Grey Jedi.
Obi Wan would absolutely not have watched Anakin fight in the arena. He would have tried to persuade him to join him and Dooku. And he would have been successful as Anakin was growing frustrated with the Jedi Order and respected Obi Wan as a Jedi, brother and mentor. BUT, because Padme was also there and was a devout Republican and stuck up bitch, she would have talked Anakin out of joining Dooku and Obi Wan. She would not believe that Palpatine was a Sith Lord as HE was HER mentor. Anakin would have sided with Padme because he was totally obsessed with her and his judgement was seriously clouded when it comes to her.
Anakin and Padme would be held captive for now, but not harmed. Then the Jedi and the clones would come to geonosis and Obi Wan and Dooku would flee and Anakin and padme rescued. Anakin would inform the council about what Obi Wan and Dooku told him and why Obi Wan joined Dooku. The council would be shocked. Not just that a Sith Lord supposedly rules the Senate, but that Obi Wan, one of the purest and most loyal Jedi Masters would turn against them. This would give them great pause. And they would be very weary moving forward.
If Obi Wan joined Dooku, he would have tempered Dooku's passion and anger just as Qui-Gon did. Dooku's desire to rule the galaxy would have weaned and the two would have become the most powerful force duo in the galaxy as they would use their passion to fuel their abilituies, but temper their anger with what htey learned as Jedi.
They would go on to recruit other jedi and start a grey faction similar to what Revan did, but more tempered by patience and no desire for power.
Eventually Anakin and Obi Wan would come face to face again, by Obi Wans design and he would finally turn Anakin to their side as well. Padme would finally be persuaded by Anakin and Obi Wan and she would provide crucial alliles inside the Senate.
Palpatine would have no choice but to turn the Jedi Order against them and and order that they find and arrest or kill their Jedi colleagues so as to prove they do not side with them. But Obi Wan and Dooku, who were both highly respected Jedi Masters, would have continued to turn more and more Jedi to their cause. Especially as the council would order that the gray jedi must be arrested and not killed. This would allow the Jedi to be turned as discussion would be their first call rather than fighting right out of the bat. Especially as that was already the Jedi way.
Palpatine would no longer be able to continue allowing Jedi to be turned to the grey, so he would have no choice but to sell the idea that the Jedi Order was in fact working with the Grey Jedi and he would declare the Jedi Order guilty of sedition, responsible for the Separatist uprising and decree that all Jedi were to be arrested on sight or to be killed. He would then activate Order 66.
This would result in a lot of Jedi deaths during the initial days. Some of the Jedi Council members would surrender to the Senate and be arrested. Palpatine would parade them as evil and power hungry. Mace would deny it and Yoda being the weak, blind Jedi that he is would say nothing and just look down with a frown and furrowed brow like he always does.
Eventually Palpatine would try to have them assassinated while in custody and they would escape.
I'm not sure whether they would seek out and join the grey Jedi or not. It could go either way. Its most likely Yoda would still go into seclusion, but I think Mace would probably seek out the Grey Jedi, join them and try and become their leader thinking he was more morally suited and that they might have the right idea, but were led astray. Mace is an arrogant prick too.
Long story short, the Grey Jedi would eventually storm the Senate building to capture Palpatine or Sideus as they know him to be. They would be successful. Dooku would testify as would many Separitist leaders. Most of the senate would side with the Jedi, especially as through Dooku they were able to get the Separatists to stand down. The Senate would find Palpatine guilty and he would be executed. They would also order the disbandment of the clone army and the removal of their behavioural chips. They would be integrated into society mostly as security and a reservist force. They would become a new caste inside the Republic and respected as veterans by most and hated by others for the murder of the Jedi. Despite their behavioural chips being made public knowledge.
The Grey Jedi would establish a new Jedi Order and return to the Temple stronger and wiser than ever before. A new peace would reign in the galaxy, the criminal syndicates would be destroyed by the Republic with the help of the new Jedi Order and the Sith would not gain any power for millennia. This is all because the Jedi Order is now vigilante and no longer weakened by arrogance and complacency. The Jedi Code would be abolished and the Grey Jedi Code implemented in its stead. They would embrace passion and love and teach new Jedi how to temper their emotions and to understand them, rather than deny them. This would result in very few Jedi socumming to the dark side in the future. And those that do, would be captured and repatriated or imprisoned.
Yodas arrogant and destructive rule over the Jedi Council would finally be at an end. He would remain in seclusion serving only as someone that the Jedi Masters of the new council would send gifted students to so as to learn very specific lessons. Many Jedi Masters would still hold Yoda in high regards and close to their hearts as well as visit him on occasion.
His wisdom, experience and knowledge of the force would still be an invaluable tool for the Jedi Order, but he would no longer have any influence over how the Order is run. A half a century would pass and Yoda would die peacefully surrounded by his Jedi friends. He would be honoured and the republic as a whole would mourn his passing and remember the greatest lesson that he taught them all. That even the greatest Jedi can be blinded by arrogance and complacency. His lesson and memory would serve to inform, a strong, wise and vigilant Republic that would ultimately, in the end be better off for both Yoda's successes AND his mistakes.
Ultimately, Obi Wans decision to join Dooku would become the single most defining moment of Repuiblic and Jedi history during that era.
Am I the only one who thinks Anakin/ Vader gets killed off in always every video
Or what if you can Dooku the chosen one
What if Obi-Wan’s leg broke?