Native American Perspective On The Civil War // Diary of GW Grayson
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Extracts taken from:
Grayson, G. W. (1988). A Creek Warrior for the Confederacy: The Autobiography of Chief G. W. Grayson. The Civilization of the American Indian series. Norman: University of Oklahoma Press.
Edited by Manuel Rubio
Art by Alex Stoica
Sketches and Art by Alfred Waud
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Can you do a video of what other natives thought when another tribe slaughtered them to get the territory in the Black Hills
@@mariobadia4553 If any documents exist of personal accounts I’m sure he would but none may exist.
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@@ximono they also only giving you the news and advertising they want you to see.
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The Choctaw people hold a very special place (as do all of the First Nation people) in the hearts of the people over here in Ireland.
When word spread around the world of the plight of the Irish during the Great Famine of the 1840s the Choctaw people sent us $170 ( around $12,000 today ) to help alleviate the hunger.
Coming from a place where discrimination and rampant land theft by an aggressive foreign power was a regular occurrence, the Choctaw people recognised our plight as theirs.
We never forgot what they did for us ( In our eyes ALL First Nation people are our kindred spirits ) so when the pandemic hit America, and we saw how the Navajo people were suffering the most an appeal was set up here in Ireland for our historic brothers and sisters which raised over 2.5 million Euros ( around 3 million dollars ) to help.
We were all so grateful to finally be able to return the love and kindness shown to us in our darkest hour all those years ago.
Peace to all
Greetings from rainy Ireland ;-)
Not so much, but even this showed their care. Beautiful to think it happened
I worked with Navajo teens in Gallup New Mexico as a counselor. You will be glad to know that my ancestors are mostly Irish coming over during the great famine. I do believe the Native peoples and the Irish have a special affinity. I feel as if the Navajo are my people. Thanks for your comment. I was aware of the history you recounted.
Fun fact: The last Confederate General to surrender was a Cherokee named Stand Waite.
Other fun fact; there’s statues and memorials to this guy in my town!
@@ProfessorShnacktime Really? Where?
@@glane3962 I don’t wanna absolutely dox myself lmao, let’s say I live near to the capital of the Cherokee. As Principal Chief he was an important figure (not a statement to his moral character). We have a lot of monuments to important Cherokee figures, there’s a statue of Sequoyah at the university.
@@ProfessorShnacktime I understand and thanks for the info!
I didn’t know he was recognized anywhere because the fact the confederates kept fighting after Lees surrender isn’t well known. 👍🏻
@@glane3962 No problem. :) I love sharing Native American and Oklahoman history.
As a descendent of Confederate Veterans and Choctaw people, this was a real treat to hear. My Great Grandfather married a Choctaw woman and after the war lived on Nation land in Oklahoma then in Northern Mississippi. Thank you for telling this story.
@Black Lesbian Poet lol. No they were not.
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@@KeiPyn24 You fell for a troll dude.
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I’m a Muskogee Creek (Mvskoke), it’s well known in OK that a lot of tribes sided with the Confederacy, and if they didn’t it’s because they had an enemy tribe they wanted to fight so they joined the Union. Not so fun fact; a Cherokee force enacted a racial purge of black people from Wagoner, Oklahoma. Many were killed or arrested.
It's brave and honorable to acknowledge that. No amount of wrongs make a right, but we need to be brave and call out atrocities young and old, no matter who is guilty. Humanity is flawed, not any one race or variety but all of mankind has the potential for darkness.
@Nik Nikkersoon Yeah context is important! Still something worth sharing, considering nearly nobody I know ever talks about it. I learned it only from small local Oklahoma history books.
It's almost like every society has made mistakes.
@@ProfessorShnacktime keep spreading what you learn. History is always worth knowing.
Siyuu friend, good to see come creeks on CZcams ✌️
This channel’s content is always a gift.
Listening while working and tuned out for a second... The first thing I heard after refocusing was "I'm not sure if we had the strength to strangle these men to death." Definitely went back to see what I missed.
Literally joined because people made fun of him for not fighting. Guess that explains why Lee didn't just refuse to fight, pacifism wasn't a respectable position to take.
Peer pressure
Oh you'd be shocked even in ww2 it was taboo for a able man to not be serving my grandpa actually recalls being made fun of for not serving he was 14 lol
A lot of people are goaded into joining. I met one in the Army myself. He became an EOD tech, and served brilliantly.
imagine having to join under the current commander in chief lol
@@lilwerner1518 lmfao
I'm ashamed to admit that I was unaware that the southern Indians involvement in the war was so extensive.
That's a gap in my education that I will soon rectify. Thank you.
It also can be the educational agenda depending on where you live
The Chickasaw and Choctaw were firm allies of the Confederates because the Confederates offered a treaty recognizing them as Independent Countries. Something the U.S. had no interest in doing.
What an interesting diary of a well spoken man observing and reporting the events about him with a clarity seldom found.
Thank you.
Was trying to find words to convey my appreciation of this video and the individual when I happened upon your comment.My sentiments precisely.
I was about to watch something different, but Voices of the Past uploading a video from such fascinating perspective has priority.
Also, I love the style of this relation.
Grayson's book isnt very large, but its fascinating. Ironically, there are no muster rolls that show Grayson ever served, even though he definitely did. William Holland Thomas, that is pictured was a member of the Eastern Band of the Cherokees in NC, neither he or the unit he lead served in the Indian Territory. The photograph at 21:00 are members of Thomas' Legion -aka 69th NC Inf. The photo at 15:06 is Pleasant Porter as young man.
GW certainly had a unique literary style.Loved it ,thanks for bringing it to us all.
Some of the best history content on CZcams. You are keeping the past alive, keep up the fantastic work.
that intro gave me chills. to put life and limb just to prove the haters wrong sounds so badass and romantic
Yeah leaving your wife and kids behind to fend for themselves is alpha as fuck broooo
@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unitit was wartime
@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit That's the difference.
Our people had Peace Villages before Europeans.
@@Special_Tactics_Force_Unit Choctaw & Chickasaw had many conflicts among ourselves before the White man.
We had a concept called the Peace Village.
When was was declared, non-combatants set up a Peace Village and both tribes left it alone.
The first people to violate these boundaries by attacking wives and children in the Peace Village were Canadians of the French variety in 1730.
Which is why our people felt entirely justified in the scalping and slave trading of captured French Canadians.
They broke our sacred boundaries of war.
You have a rare narrating voice, no matter where these stories were lived, it's always easy for me to become immersed in their world
I am so glad you used Alfred Waud’s art and even image, but I am sad he is not credited.
Have credited now - thanks for pointing it out.
Thank you for the reply and quick fix, I do love your videos!
Not gonna lie thought the thumbnail said A Greek Warrior at first and was very confused for the first two minutes of the video
"Wdym we have to buy cotton from the Ottomans?" -Greece, probably
I had to look at that thumbnail twice, the font made me think it was a Greek warrior in the civil war o0
Haha, that's exactly how I read it too at first
This is Spartanburg!
This page and Toldinstone, have to be the best two channels on CZcams. Thank ya for your hard work and awesome content!
My Cherokee Great-grandfather is is on the Dawes Roll. His grandfather fought on both sides of the civil war
That's awesome man. Be proud of who you are.
My ancestors are on the Choctaw Nation Census of Tribal Citizens by blood & intermarriage living in the Chickasaw Clan District Village of the Choctaw Nation. That's also where they were from, up until my mom's lifetime.
Our ancestors were on both sides. Like you said, some of those Civil War Veterans of both sides had descendants by tribal members after the war and became intermarried to tribal citizens.
It's great to get these sorts of perspectives. Thank you so much for uploading this!
I always look forward to this series, excellent stuff.
I am absolutely so excited to watch this video - I know how high quality all of your works are.
One of my favourite channels. Thank you for all that you do.
I’m so glad you’re still making videos. So many history channels that’s haven’t uploaded in over a year
Favorite channel by far.
As always, an amazing a unique sliver of history. I learn so much from these videos.
Always happy to see a new video from you.
Supporting the algorithm! May this go viral
This is awesome! I'm part Creek and the native perspective of the American Civil War is usually looked over. Keep up the good work!
Its always makes History so real to hear what the people were thinking
Always excited when I see you upload
This is fascinating! I never really thought about the role of Native Americans in the Civil War. Hearing them fight for the Confederacy is intriguing, and while the first-hand account is great, I really want to know what the larger political motivations were. Did they view themselves as part of the South? Did the Confederates view them as citizens? Or were they perhaps offered a better treaty than the Union government gave them? Did they own slaves? I'll have to do some more reading into it.
A good few Indians owned slaves and most of the rest had no shortage of bones to pick with the federal government.
They owned a good amount of slaves, and the South just like the Dems of today probably promised them the world when really just using them
Yes they had slaves and the Union has to March into Oklahoma to free them.
Something you won’t find in history books mainstream.
To be incredibly reductive - some owned slaves, some thought the confederacy would give them a better deal as allies or to be autonomous states, and some just really wanted revenge on the Federal Government. (Missed a lot but these three I remember being big points when I covered it in uni)
The majority of English-speaking Christian Indians were from ‘the 5 civilized tribes;’ the Choctaw, Creek, Seminole, Cherokee, and Chickasaw. These were agricultural, populous societies that retained a larger population after white settlement. They were deported from their homeland in the southeast to Oklahoma by Jackson, despite being well-integrated into antebellum society.
I am so very appreciative of your content offering. Voices of the past is what was missing in my public education that made me thirsty for what history is really made of of. Thank you so much😎
This is such a great channel. Thank you for your inspiring hard work
U needa post more my guy🫡💯
I appreciate how back then people would also take daft picture of themselves too.
-They probably had to stand there for a little while though for the picture to be taken, which really shows their commitment to the bit _🙏_
Awesome content, thanks for all of these first hand perspectives
Just another supportive comment. Very happy CZcams recommended this to me. Your channel is a lucky find. Thanks for the work in the detail. Very entertaining. 🤙🏼🙏🏼
thanks for retelling another wonderful account.
This is a wonderful channel, and so revealing. All the suffering throughout history, and yet, we never seem to learn. All of these historical documents to remind us, and yet we don’t read them, in schools. It would be easy to fix. But there aren’t enough people, who comprehend this, sadly, for the human species to evolve past the need for war.
We learn A LOT. We're not naked cannibals fighting with spears & mocking the doomed victims, but have 2,000+ years of civilization behind us and as a group, constantly improve through the ages. Disturbing to me is the recent fashion of discarding hard won cultural & social knowledge.
Many 1st worlders aren't well enough educated at home to appreciate their journey & protect the values that brought us here, 3rd worlders want what we have in goods, but likewise couldn't care less about the reasons we achieved what we did.
Self gratification alone will never achieve anything positive for humanity and there'sthe impetus for war: Greed. We think a lot alike I suppose 😊
Always a top end post when its voices of the path
This man was an incredibly talented writer. This reads more like a novel than an historical account.
"Endeavour to persevere! And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union" - Lone Watie
Yass so happy to find another channel of this story telling voice
Love your content as always!
Always enlightening. Thank you.
Best CZcams channel ever
Thanks Seth!
This channel makes 💯 great content
Another great video! Thank you!
Oh shit, more absolutely gold content!
excellent choice of source material
I'm from northeastern Oklahoma and have visited most of the battle sites mentioned on multiple occasions; the skirmishes in what was then Indian Territory were frequent and bloody affairs.
Thank you for this compelling account
Love this stuff! Thanks
Very cool. Thanks for uploading.
Great content, as always.
Excellent narration.
More than top notch content once again.
There's something about this people's perspective take on history that I enjoy very much.
I love this channel.
Good stuff. Keep it coming
The artistic renderings are exquisite - they really depict the horrors of war on the men and their horses.
Thank you for having a rich taste in music, the song in the beginning is beautiful. For anyone searching it’s blood in the bayou by river lume and spearfish.
Glad to see this thanks for the story keep up the good content
Jeez, I really liked this one. A pinhole to the history of the beautiful land we now occupy.
Please do more ❤
Love these videos
Love these videos. I feel like a time traveler listening to them🤯
Another great video, I don’t know where you source these accounts but they are fantastic! P.S. I hope your cat is doing well!
Something I never even knew I needed.
Took ten days to find this memoir what a time capsule.
Should do the Camarão Indians' letters someday, recently there came a new translation. It's the only piece of written old tupi, and about the Dutch - Brazillian colonial conflict from tupi perspective
Awesome as always!
Will you do any serbian or south slavic sources?
Great premise for a channel
Love these
Now this is something I have never thought about, interesting.
This was amazing
I like that you put Dixie in the background!
Good work!
Well done ❤
Very interesting perspective
I was literally thinking about this.
Very interesting video.
What a great story!
Love this
I wish that guy with the cool hat knew people were still hearing about it lol.
Already one of my favorite accounts and I found it yesterday
Excellent
Extremely interesting!
Where did you find that rendition of “Dixie?” It’s quite beautiful.
17:45 is the absolute most badass thing that I've ever heard.
I love the eloquent and elliptic Victorian prose.
A series I recently watched called The English reminded of this.
Love this account
what a story
It’s worth noting that most of the photographs and prints seen here are from the eastern theater; mainly in and around Virginia.
For instance, the photograph at 10:30 is a photograph taken in Fredericksburg, Virginia sometime between 1862 and 1863. It’s a rare example of a photograph taken by a confederate photography team as the south had very few photography teams.
Many of the others were taken either within the Army of the Potomac or the Army of the James between 1862 and 1865.
I was only thinking about Stand Watie again tonight.
Your channel is amazing. I would support a patreon if you ever made one