An Angry Critique on SVTFOE's Finale
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- If you think this is similar to Mauler's "Unbridled Rage" videos then that's mainly because it's semi-inspired by them but with my thoughts, and also because I use a few GOT reaction images. But anyway, here's my incredibly long rant about a show I used to love.
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Edit 19/11: 100,000 views. Holy hell. Thank you guys so much for the support on this video and my other Angry Critiques. I never knew how much attention this series would get and the growth of this channel is insane. Thanks so much.
The taptrsy is showing star using the rest of her out of her
Thankyou, u spoke my words
i see you were inspired by the looong man
I have two things to say the first thing is they had so many plot points in amazing things that could have added on to the story like how Stars people are actually the humans I would say their name but I don't know how to spell it also house. Our kind of you know said f everyone else and just destroyed magic I mean the magical High commission probably wasn't the only people who survived off of magic she destroyed it millions of energy sources killed millions of people and without magic dimensional travel doesn't work so therefore she also destroyed millions of homes because now you'll never be able to see your family again the second thing I would like to say is the reason the show got cut so shortly is because the Creator I don't know their name but they knew that they weren't going to get another season Associated meeting us with a cliffhanger she just wrapped it all up into an ugly little bun and throw it in your face it's kind of like a Steven Universe season finale the only difference is Steven Universe isn't over and they have one more seasons so Rebecca is way worse
I just clicked for confirmation that I'm not crazy for thinking this show started out meh, actually got pretty good, and then threw all all of that into a trash can and lit it on fire. After Voltron and Game of Thrones crash landed their endings (and SU was kinda anticlimactic and meh) I can't tell if I have just developed unrealistic expectations over time or if these things are actually as disappointing as I think they are.
TBH I was kind of happy that they made star and Tom break up because star treated him horribly
It would have being nice if Tom address that in the break up.
ikr
Tom deserved better
Gawainnn
@@yvonne3745 a man of culture as well
I don’t think it’s fair to completely blame Disney for this.
The writers wrote the show as they went along and, unsurprisingly, wrote themselves into a corner
I’ve realised this over time, had no idea that Nefcy basically had no clue what she was doing the entire time and assumed she wanted more than four seasons.
Plus the writers were the ones who thought all those filler episodes, and starco where important and scraped story and plot for it
Tiaam Du Nord I think their both to blame
She knew ahead of time she was getting 4, instead of planning ahead she was writing the show as it wet along
Not the first time. They wrote themselves into a corner with Toffee, making him too powerful and competent, so they brought Star back out of nowhere and gave her a bullsh*t Mary Sue super saiyan mode to one shot him.
"your like Hitler but even Hitler cared about Germany or something"
a good old rick and morty refrence
I've always loved that line.
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780
Forgot it was from that, lol. Thanks!
Yet Hitler went so far as wanting all of the german people to die with him by fighting.
He didn't care. Only he mattered to him.
Starting the series:
Me: Aww, Star is so cute, Marco is such a bean, can't wait to see how they'll defeat evil together! But Tom's annoying, I wish he'd just get the message already and leave Star alone. Leave the show while he's at it too.
Ending the series:
Me: Wow, Star is such a bitch, Marco is an action hero now, and they do nothing except make bad choices all day and NOBODY calls them out on it. But Tom is in it, so I'll pull through for him, my beautiful demon child. So glad he didn't leave the show.
Nefcy hit those characters with the uno reverse card
I actually started liking tom pretty early on, he actively tried to better himself and got pretty good development which is more then star or marco can really say they did
@kristian rikardsen do you happen to be religious? cause otherwise let me tell you, hating a character for its appearance is a little bit...yeah superficial.
@kristian rikardsen bruh this is a cartoon show for kids(?). Why bring up religion?
*insert Australian nature narrator voice* And here we see the angry internet Christian in their natural habitat, using their religion to justify why someone from the literal Underworld looking like a demon is a bad thing
Toffee was wasted, I wish he was in a better show
steelhound duncan exactly!
Toffee, all the queens (except Star), Eclipsa and her history too.
They deserve better.
Right. Also, wth was his whole plan in the first place? He was scary af but did nothing. Ugh. Then Star legit turned into a deus ex machina and just squashed him. 😶 WHAT?! 😠 I waited so long for this battle and he's just squashed like a bug?! *sigh* So many unfinished story plots. He deserved WAY WAY better. All the queens too. Even the ending wasn't an ending. "Hey." "Hi". What kind of ending was that? Ok, I'm done rambling and ranting. Lol, I'll go on forever if I don't. 😅
Anya Miller Tom, Moon, Globglore, Toffee, Eclipsa, and all the other characters were done dirty.
@@jasminguiza6227
Yupperz. And it's sad.
i sometimes like to think that the whole show was just glossaric's suicide plan
stxrrysoul It probably was though tbh-
After all, how does a being made of pure magic (and according to Rhombulouses, he's the most powerful being out there.) die?
My personal head cannon is that not even Glossyrik could handle this shows bs and just decide to yoink himself-
It really does seem to the most logical way to explain all of this.
@@delaneymaxey672 That sounds Too Good to be true
I mean, in the finale Glossaryck literally said the quote about a captain dying with his ship. So... you're probably not wrong.
*Alucard voice*
This entire catastrophe has been nothing but history's longest suicide note!
I know how to fix the ending!
Star wakes up and says “What a terrible dream,” and all magic still exists everything is actually good.
And then she probably still stayed in the palace!
JARCO MAY STILL GE CANON BOIS
Now THAT would've been worth watching
Plot twist: Earth is just Stars dream
Even that would be better than what we got
This season is literally the definition of focusing on a shotgun on the wall in a movie and that shotgun never appearing again.
“I understood that reference”
Wonder who the owner is...
I wonder if this will be brought up again at some point
I wonder which trope it is
no seriously which trope
@@GalaxyEscliping Chekhov's Gun. And no, that's not a movie, that's a trope in writing.
Toffee: Tries to erase all magic, including committing universal genocide for anyone who's lives depended on it, and had his goal be his number one priority. Gets brutally murdered by the main character.
Star: Tries to erase all magic, including committing universal genocide for anyone who's lives depended on it, and had her goal be her number one priority. Everyone is cool with her and she gets a happy ending.
what
So, Toffee's plan worked?..
@@nicoleflores2054 Yes, but because he's not the hero he had to die.
@@shaesullivan oh.
How dare a male Salandit try to get rid of magic like that! That should go to a mentally unstable princess who falls in love with some guy who might be related to her for some reason.
@@OniRan_VT "Star's final stupid decision only cost them the magical creatures and magic."
And anyone that probably died when Earth and Mewni got merged together (because merging two different dimensions together isn't as simple as the show makes it out to be), along with any future deaths that might occur since I doubt humanity will easily accept monsters in their lives.
I feel like people who write fanfiction can give this show a more satisfying ending
CandyCrimes To be honest, I found a fanfiction called When Two Worlds Collide based on the post-finale that has been written so much better than this horseshit finale.
I agree
Thatguywiththestuffies CZcams page. Look at the links in the reply section.
All the theories people made and au's are way better then season 4 ending
Their is already a fan-comic called "Tale of Two Butterfly's " Which you might want to look up, it is pretty much a distant sequel that seems to follow the show's ending but from what i can tell is slowly mending the many problems in the show's ending.
*"Who is in charge of continuity on this show?"*
No one. The person in charge of continuity was literally removed from her position and put elsewhere for this season.
And then she was off the show on episode 15 to the end
The worst part of it all for me?
They never explained Marco’s crescent moon cheekmarks. They built it up as some big mystery throughout the show, _and they didn’t give us an answer._
I'd like to think that initially he was gonna be related to star in some way but they scrapped that because it would make the ship weird lol
i think it was to show that mewmans were just average humans and that anyone who weilded the wand would get the cheek marks
@@ducksick9973 "in some way". Thing is, it would repair the Butterfly family bloodline. So it would be a good thing and not so weird as you may think. Atleast it isn't weird to me
@@mxddie4006what do you mean repair?
yeah it seems it was just hint at the fact that mewmans were humans
star was not really a great girlfriend lol
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I was SO looking forward for Tom to say, "Listen, Star, this isn't working, I deserve better than what you're giving me right now. I've tried to be understanding and supportive, but I'm not feeling that in return, so I think it's best we go separate ways," but he NEVER DID, and gave out the bullshit excuse of "we're going in different directions" like, no, you're not, stop lying to us!
Umm Excuse me? As a matter of fact she kinda always was a shitty person. It’s no surprise that she ended up being a shitty gf.
@@jasminguiza6227 gf*
CollieSpell Thanks. I meant gf.
Umm Excuse me? Honestly, I wasn’t feeling it with Starco that much anymore into the further seasons. Star started out as weird and wacky but I still liked her but when things got serious, that side of her began to change into a more passive aggressive tone? Not sure how to describe it but basically the more complicated the drama got, the characters became less enjoyable and I didn’t care if Starco got together. It felt awkward and poorly constructed, like the ending itself. It made me like Jarco and Tomco more in comparison.
Actually, Disney DIDN'T cut them off short by giving them four seasons; they were LUCKY to have gotten a fourth season, and the most damning thing about this tidbit of information is that the production staff KNEW that season 4 was going to be their final season before they even began its production. And they did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about it--no planning, no mapping out the episodes. Zilch. Instead, they just wrote as they made the episodes. If it wasn't apparent already, they wrote themselves into several corners and expected/hoped that the audience would not notice these oversights.
They did make the last season several episodes shorter randomly though
You know what they did wrong? Focusing more on the idiotic queens of Mewni plot more than what made this show so awesome before - Star and her friends doing silly things on Earth and only occasionally visiting Mewni. They could even leave Eclipsa, she was one of the best characters of the series whenever Nefcy wasn't busy squeezing her into that stupid drama.
@@ResidentTarantino I'm trying to find time right now to watch it myself but I can already tell it'll be a lot more in depth than this video. This was me giving a, thought out mind you, rant on why the finale was insulting garbage, whereas his video seems to be a lot more of a properly structured video essay. Definitely will give it a watch.
And now they will be forever remembered for their shitshow of a finale.
THANK FUCKING YOU!!!! I've been saying that for ages, they were lucky enough not getting cancelled. What's worse is that the SVTFOE fandom outta nowheres blaming Amphibia for not getting 5th season
If Heckapu can make portals right under people, why couldn't she just drop the solerian warriors into another dimension?
You make a very good argument
Because heckapu is dumb
Then, another dimension would have to deal with them.
@@NothingOfNoteToSeeHere There's gotta be an uninhabited dimension somewhere.
because that makes sense, we can't have logic in the finale :)
Blaming the magic is like blaming the infinity stones instead of the insane person who wielded them
Starco vs. the forces of plot development
Heh I hate shipping
NO that is so WRONG! ❌ This is true ✔️: "Starco vs just a chaos of ship wars & horrible writing"
@@haprezgg8300 keep it simple, over-explanation makes the joke less funny
Derailment ***
No.
Disney vs. the forces of plot development of somewhen good show.
Weirdmageddon >>>>>>>> SVTFOE finale
Add a few more ">" to it. Like a crap ton more. Like Weirdmageddon >>>>>>>>> Cleaved.
@@markuseavids5362 Fixed.
Also
"Divide" /"Conquer" (s3 finale) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Cleaved"
"Sphere and Loathing in Outer Space" (MML Season 2 finale) >>>>>> "Cleaved"
It doesn't help that not only they aired in the same weekend, but Sphere and Loathing also _received more views overall._
@@XMarx-it1yj True.
The Queen's were smiling because they were happy this bullcrap was finally over.
Yep
Queen finally can end the horrible show once and for all
So according to the finale: monster powers aren't magic. Demon powers aren't magic. Portals aren't magic. MERGING TWO F'ING DIMENSIONS ISN'T MAGIC... I think I would have to kill if them if they tried to explain their 'knowledge' of science, in this case.
Disembodied flying horse heads are also not magic because not only are they still flying, they’re still alive.
I like how that random dimensional rift just somehow opened and then merged the dimensions after interaction with it. If no magic is involved to keep that merge safe, that stuff is freakin' horrifying with what it might do. But nah, let's just gloss over that. Might just corrupt stuff.
@@lpfan4491 They could've opened up a portal to the warp, and then they have to deal with that
I guess the show got it's definition of Magic from RWBY
Yeah it's like the only thing Star did is turn Mewmans and some of their closely related allies into humans, or killed them
Tom is the real deal. Mature, adorable, and an interesting character. Star became way too careless and insensitive. By the time of the finale. Marco only cared about Star, really, in the finale. And Tom gained MAJOR character development.
YES. THANK YOU. 👏👏👏👏
I agree. Tom redeemed himself in season 2 but Star, however, did not.
@@baul104 , What surprises me is that Star became insensitive of Tom's feelings. When they got back together, she respected him, his feelings, took his feelings into account, etc. But then she just downright doesn't care about Tom at all anymore. Or just very, very little cares about him. Just because of having stronger feelings for someone else? Star, you are plenty capable of caring about someone and not making them feel like their feelings are WORTH LESS. Tom deserves wayyyyyy better. And I will always, always, always feel bad for him. :(. He deserves so much better and I am glad that he broke up with Star.
@baul104luigi, Star used to be my MOST FAVORITE Disney princess. But these days I only like her in the earlier seasons. The finale was when she was at her most rotten, careless self. As well as TERRIBLY SELFISH.
@@blaria95 I highly agree with you.
"who's in charge of the continuity of this show?!" About that, for the whole show there was a role in the credits called "continuity coordinator", but the thing is, after episode 14 of season 4, *this role is completely gone from every episode's credits, implying the person in charge on continuity was fired*
Everything I learn about Season 4’s production is driving me closer and closer off the breaking point.
Matthematical Reactions *BRUH*
The role was filled by a woman named Wendy (forgot her last name lol), Wendy got moved over to an animation role for a few episodes after ep14 but disappeared near the endgame episodes
@@Razlider oh I'm well aware
This show had so much potential, and it all went to shit with all the decisions they made. Honestly it's just heartbreaking.
Also the "everyone thinks Marco's sister is his daughter" is a gross joke considering that they're still teenagers.
Basically, StarVs went downhill when Nefcy started trying to primarily appease the shippers and did the "will they won't they get together" until the very end.
Настолько не смешная шутка что ну не знаю это мерзко
The ending was just wonderful, well written, coherent, with funny and sad moments, and a meaningful deep message, and the best part? It was really satisfying, maybe one of the best endings in a cartoon in all the history of animation...
Ok, now that i stopped talking about "Over the garden wall", let's talk about SVTFOE.
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
Dang-
I've watched "Over the garden wall" and I just say it's a very well-written show.
And it needed only 10 episodes,everyone of them lasts just 11 minutes!
GREAT JOKE.
What did you expected from the work own authors don't even care about?(I'm about SVTFOE)
I was really expecting you to highlight how Star basically committed genocide and yet the only thing she was upset about was potentially being separated from Marco.
Basically eclipsas and moons plan would've worked too. 😂😭😄
In recent days in child cartoons you can allways comit genocide and get away as long as you are 'good' or the main char' friend.
COF Steven COF ShitverseCOF
Kodo Direct But stripping a planet of it’s natural resources will inevitably cause it to die out, will it not?
Kodo Direct Can you name an example or two of the diamonds moving people from their planets other than the humans in the zoo. It’s been a while since I saw the show in it’s entirety.
@@ItsJascion So killing a billion of gems enough to fill the fucking core of earth is not genocide? wow, thanks for revealing another layer of stupidity from this garbage human being..
and btw, blue diamond explicitly says that she thought the Diamond light would OBLITERATE all gems in earth.
"NOT GENOCIDE"...
I knew Star's character was going downhill ever since she cheated on Tom.
Literally
@Kimberly Hughes no shit and so did Marco
Mmhmm there’s NO excuse for cheating and she gets mad at TOM for this
shaquille mccray and uprooted thousands of lives to be with her boyfriend
shaquille mccray oh and threw away a precious force of energy and a huge part of her family’s culture over a tantrum
Honestly, I hated that Globgor ended up being a misunderstood goodguy. If only because, the harder the show tried to convince you that he was a big evil dude, the more obvious it became that they were going to subvert your expectation and make him a sweet dad guy. And it was already getting pretty obvious by the time Eclipsa took the throne...
Yeah and at the end if the day his storyline feels like padding and an extension of Eclipsa
Yes misunderstood guy who was eating humans
To be honest, Star and Marco's relationship was much more meaningful to me when they were just best friends. It felt more genuine and natural to me. You can just be friends with people you care about without any romantic feelings involved. Also, I feel that Tom really got the short end of the stick towards the end. I really liked him and loved seeing him improve as a person as the show went on. He became a genuinely good guy, but they kinda tossed him to the side and forgot about his development and that disappointed me. Not to mention how Star treated him through out their relationship. That was just hard to watch.
this!! star and marco had a much better relationship when they just stayed as friends. I was really hoping for a show where they don’t focus on the main characters getting together, because star and marco had such a good friendship in the beginning, but this is literally what ruined the show. Committed a genocide all for two characters to get together.
Well star and Marco were based of a actual couple.
Same here. In Season 1, they felt really genuine.
@@milkpuffs465 "how Starco ruined the whole universe".
@@user-tt5cg9yp8l all
I really wished that Marco and Star would have remained friends. Guys and Girls can be best friends without falling in love.
Cosmic Sammy I liked Starco, or at least its concept, and the first two seasons handed it very well.
But season 3 decided to make things muddy and ruin toms progression since 2, and only did divide/conquer actually redeem him.
Cosmic Sammy wait what but why she’s a princess and he’s a... uhhh boring powerless HUMAN
@@xxechosongxx7941 so are you arguing for or against there relationship?
Yeah, but that couple had chemistry.
Cosmic Sammy I hate this cliche thing about first love, that two teenagers fall for each other, and somehow end up married with two kids and a dog. Like how? Make it interesting. Make sure that their mutual attraction is indeed existing but for some reason, the don’t end up together. Not societal pressure, not abuse or anything else. They just don’t click.
Or maybe a character never accepts their crush. Not inside conflict or anything. They may be scared of consequences or too lazy to actually work for a relationship. Or, more typical reason, they have a lowest self esteem possible.
There’s so many reasons why pairs don’t end up together. And it can make characters themselves more appealing, but I guess main character nowadays must have a pair.
My lord, I didn't realize how much the animation quality went down
what got me stick to this show was because of the animation quality and of course, star fighting evil. as time goes by every episode, i wait that a amount budget will be given to a episode. but, no. the series was being story driven afterwards, like literally.
@@aman7930 I agree. The show should of stayed relatively episodic, maybe keep the Toffee arc, but everything other than that was boring imo
WaddleThisWay you haven’t noticed, my brain was melting
Neither did I.
Nor the shrinking cast of characters.
Fucking amen like bro I felt that.
As a starco shipper it feels like the creator just said *"is this what you wanted? You did this."*
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I agree, they gave us Starco in probably the worst ways imaginable
No Daron, You Did This 🤦♂️
Eclipsa was much more interesting than Star. She actually had a tragic backstory but they ruined it all with not giving attention she deserves.
Yeah her being in an arranged marriage with Shastican and hating him before they were married mentioned in the book of spells is never mentioned in the show
Ecipsa: *breathes*
Magic High Comission: *hey that’s not right*
Tbh Eclispa did suck as a Queen. She pretty much cared about nobody but Globgor, and maybe monsters, but definitely not humans
Cue mermaid man going E V I L L L L L
@@14s0cc3r14 you know yeah she is little bit selfish but she's good unlike moon very stupid and very selfish she teamed up with psycho and put everyone in danger just beceuse she want be queen again
@@14s0cc3r14 lmao she cared about her life and she wasnt weong tho, she was the head of the state but didnt have any power as The MHC ordered her to marry that jerk, she just jumped out and went live her life with Globgor. But with Star's help she was doing great until Moon ruined LITERALLY EVERYTHING
Guilherme Dias Was she really doing great though? Half her kingdom was homeless/jobless and ended up leaving. Those that didn’t hated her. She didn’t improve relations with monsters or other kingdoms, that was pretty much all Star. She kind of sucked as a Queen
I absolutely HATE that star thought destroying the magic was a good idea. There had to be some other way to defeat Mina, they didnt even try other options. Star doesnt even consider how many beings in the multiverse are made of magic, not just the commission, by destroying the magic, she would kill all of them. Not to mention that "combining mewni with earth" would have huge consequences for both worlds. Their geography would be all fucked up, and humans (most of whom have no idea other worlds and creatures even exist) would suddenly be confronted with all these strange and unwanted creatures invading their world. Can you imagine looking out your window and seeing a huge fucking spider just chillin in your backyard? But star and marco got to say "hi" to each other so i guess none of that matters
The idea that Eclipsa had in the finale was way better, and for some reason, Star preferred to *destroy the magic*
@@nicoleflores2054 what was it?
@@godemperorlech5422 I think It was the three united with their butterfly form to try of defeating mina.
I feel you
Destroying a few building containing nobody inside:😒
Destroying galaxies made of magic killing billions:😏
"Eclipsa is the only character worth rooting for." APPLAUSE
Also, Tom deserves SOOO much better from the show, like seriously.
Never understand why people rooting for her. She is definitely bad queen, who doesn't care about her people and only interested in her man-eater husband. She is as bad as Moon and Star.
When the character based on Daron’s exes ends up being the fan favorite and most lovable character than the protagonists
Does anyone think that says something about her, it feels like it does but I can’t find out what
@@j_jizzle_6934 we're doomed if she finds the big red button?
Oh yes, people like redemption arc of abusers.
Star/steven universe/adverure time to me are the generarion of forgive and redeem a users nad make a lazy end
@@purplenutria1351 in stars case its because the main protags are just as shitty to some characters but are given no arch of improvement and are congratulated by the universe despite their clear inherent selfishness and lack of awareness. at least the previous abusers realize they were wrong and began improving, star literally was insinuated for committing mass genocide and decided to do what the main villian of the first two seasons wanted but thats never even addressed or looked in to. steven universe case particularly pisses me off tho cuz the diamond redemption arch was so rushed and lazy it made me stop watching the show entirely
What did Marco do?
Actually, I might be the only one here, but I wasn't too upset with Tom breaking up with Star. Over the last two seasons, she shows herself to be a horrible girlfriend, and starts becoming a horrible person too.
Not only is she mean to Tom and berates him for random things, she kisses Marco and doesn't tell Tom anything. Even if it wasn't her fault or whatever, she should have told him, just to make things clear between them. (It's a part of having a good relationship. Communication!) Not only that, but when Tom gets upset and confesses to her that he knows and is hurt about it, SHE gets mad and stalks off. Like excuse me? No.
Anyway, she's an awful girlfriend, Tom deserved better- he literally changed himself and built himself back up from square one just to be with her- and Star was an asshole, I'm not mad that he dumped her.
That seems to be a running trend in media now. Main protagonist is the best and never does wrong, but ends up being the absolute worst, hypocritical, ect.
And a random side character [usually a guy I've noticed] ends up being the better one and ya suddenly wonder why that side character isn't the protagonist? They are growing and bettering themselves. They have a lot of potential.
@@meanncat3050 Yeah, I guess it's because as the main protagonist, they want them to be as likable as possible, so they just give them all of the "easy" development or give them no development at all, making them already perfect.
Meanwhile, the side characters who are much more flawed get all of the development to be "worthy" of the MC. But that just makes them relatable and admirable.
In Star's case, I think it might just be bad writing decisions, as her development was pretty good in the first two seasons, and all of the writing in general declined, but I have seen the same trend in at least one other show. I hope it's fixed.
How the hell did tom even find out it was never mentioned
@@whom9421 It was though? In the last episode of season 3- (Divide or Conquer, I forget which) Marco confesses it to him to get him to save himself.
@@skeltheshapeshifter2697 to tom?
SVTFOE: "Spells and magic constructs are all alive, have personalities and feelings, and independent hearts and minds."
Star: "I....I have to destroy the magic!"
All those spells and that broom thing and every magical construct we have ever seen that didn't need to be in this show but they were put in anyways: *DEATH*
"Spells and magic constructs are all alive, have personalities and feelings, and independent hearts and minds."
And wives and children.
Don't forget about their wives and children.
Like Daron, I assume.
Anastas1786 Yeah, she literally killed children, innocents, other versions of loved ones in AUs because she’s gotta have that sweet sweet Marco.
Spider with a top hat and all his friends o.o they gone
Zebra Roll I’m glad you brought them up. Spells that have served the Butterfly family for centuries were betrayed by someone they defend on a regular basis with their lives. Some even had families. So she should be painted as the bad guy, but nobody in the show logically gives counter arguments as to why that’s bad. They made Toffee good! Him murdering Comet? All apart of the plan. It was painfully and obviously rushed. That’s why on top of other things, the show has a bad ending. When Thanos does it, he’s vilified and killed. But Star gets a pass because..? They are the same in every way. Change my mind.
Juan Pablo Robayo Yet the unicorns still fly but Hekapoo who has a real almost normal body like the monsters die????
She could of just lost her flame and that was it as the flame was her magic.
And somehow the unicorns fly like nothing happened.
Like someone said on your Loud House video: Avoiding Seasonal Rot was the best thing Gravity Falls ever did
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Yes!
RWBY, SVTFOE, Miraculous Ladybug, these three series had AMAZING potential but unfortunately werent properly taken care of by their respective writers.
And Steven Universe.
@Captainzilla418 ben 10 is actualy good.
I'm really hate Miraculous.
@@user-tt5cg9yp8l I think they are talking about the reboot or one of the other versions of Ben 10
@Captainzilla418 depends on which version lol
Ludo.
What about Ludo. He was my favourte character since season 2 and in season 4 he was... nowhere. At the end they turned his abstence into a JOKE. I GUESS NEFCY JUST FORGOT.
Damn. They did a lot of characters wrong in this finale.
Poke *I GUESS NEFCY JUST FORGOT*
Random Centurion especially hekapoo, Tom and ludo
Yes, he was the show's main villian. But after The Battle of Mewni, he just vanish.
*I G U E S S N E F C Y J U S T F O R G O T*
The worst part is that they killed the f*cking LASER PUPPIES! THEY KILLED THE LASER PUPPIES!!!!!
Apparently they didn't, they just don't have laser powers anymore
@@tevineleven11 But they came out of stars wand sooo.. It doesn't make sense
Also Magic High Commission as I grew to like them a lot, and millions and maybe billions of other sentient beings made or dependent on magic. All of it was done to save f***ng monsters. Oh yeah, remember kids, to prevent a genocide, commit an even larger one!
@@rohan2924 No it doesn't, but neither does the rest of this finale. The writers confirmed the puppies were okay but of course that doesn't add up with the rest of the magic beings from the wand being killed
Marluxia 88 Dude ngl I cried when I realized Rombulus was gone.. such a waste
>destroys magic just to get with some guy that practically ignored her feelings for him Throughout the series till the last few episodes
>kill everyone that had magic as their life support
>causes 2 worlds to collide in which could have gotten some humans killed with the monsters that suddenly appear
>all this for Starco to happen
WHY
Even a 12 year old cringy Wattpad writer wouldn’t be able to screw up the ending this bad
Since Mina said “I swore my allegiance to solaria” why didn’t they say that eclipsa is solarias child and that since she has her blood going through her that they should stop, but noooooooo they wanted it to end like this
because mina hates eclipsa thats her entire motivation why would eclipsa being a descendant of solaria change anything she's still a monster smoocher in her eyes
I was honestly hoping that glssarick was the villain. Maybe he was an ancient being that wanted magic all to himself to rule over everyone so they locked him in the magic book. In the end glosserick frees himself and star and marco have to stop him and get magic back. It makes sense because glosserick has always been shady and selfish only wanting things for himself.
@Zachary Khan yeah but even the sacrifice felt weird. I never got the feeling that he liked star and marco. Even in the end where he pretended he couldnt talk and he didnt help star when she needed help.
Not to mention the entire saying-nothing-but-globgor spiel
@@bubblehoodie5191 Exactly! How it turned out that he could talk normally he just didnt feel like it.
It made it seem like he was on eclipsas side all along but it didnt go anywhere.
My bet was on Eclipsa as she was a pro-monster Palpatine-esque manipulator who might be behind just everything evil over the course of four seasons, if we assume Toffee was her agent - well, coincidentally, Mrs. Heinous/Meteora does use the help of Rasticore of the same species, and Rasticore did work for Toffee previously. Think about it:
1. It was under Eclipsa' advices that Star had a fight with her mother and distanced from Marco (as she saw their bond as a threat).
2. Whe Moon got stuck in the wall, she was left unsupervised for hours and God knows if she rewrote the archives of Mewni during that time.
3. Her spells are independent and sentient, and as that episode about spells in Star's wand showed, the All-Seeing Eye was spying on Marco, Star and even their friends in Echo Creek for some time LONG BEFORE Star even used it for the first time!
@@marluxia8832 they couldve been working together to free the monsters. So much wasted potential that went nowhere.
I thought the part were Mina got stomped by the demon horse was funny. Because Mina was a joke, even from the very beginning. By her own merits, Mina had no reason to be the main villain of season.
She had no skills, knowledge, powers, charisma, or even the force of will to be a major threat to anyone. The writers were so focused on bring racism plot-line up, so Mina was given the plot device of Moon Butterfly's idiocy to become a danger.
Exactly
While I agree for the most part, I kind of like the fact that she was a big villain at the end. She's a peasant girl from a world of absolutely helpless idiots. He job was selling fucking towels on the street, if I remember right. Then out of desire for a strong army, the queen herself takes an interest in her. How could she say no? The queen soon fills her to the point of near destruction with overwhelming magical power. This shattered her mind and had the side effect, or intentional effect of immortality.
A mind broken through physical, psychological, and likely "magical" trauma forced to go on for decades, possibly a century or two. All the while degrading. The only thing she can think about is serving her queen. As her queen is no longer with her, she turns to her bloodline in the butterfly family. She seems like she served them well enough.
But then, then those so called queens start talking about ruining her queen's legacy. Her mission. Throwing it all away. For the benefit of her queen's enemies no less! She couldn't let this happen. All she knows is what her queen ingrained in her. Her PTSD coupled with her anger towards Moon and Star sending her into a violent rage. If they want to ruin her queen's legacy, they better think again. She rebuilds the army she fought side by side with. She reclaims her rightful power. The power of her queen. The power she was trusted with to stomp out the enemies of the kingdom.
She rises again, to fulfill Queen Solaria's commands for the final time.
@@epion660 and then Solaria rejects her in the afterlife. Lol smh.
@@Dave102693 Yeah. That's a good way to show that Mina wasn't just loyal. She was broken. "Hunt the monsters" is what she knew. Unlike her mentally intact queens, she is unable to comprehend the limits of her orders.
Also I do agree that the way she was just slapped aside in the end was a horrible choice. She should have been an actual threat that was defeated by something, anything, except a joke.
epion660 the first Clip I saw if this show was Mina’s “lightly used rags for sale” thing with Solaria and I had no clue she’d be the villain of the season back then lol
Marco treats tom better than star. Let that sink in. Marco, who was literally almost killed by this guy twice, and helped him rehabilitate himself, treats tom better star. Who's, ya know, his girlfriend.
A girlfriend,who did...
Well,you ALL know WHAT.
This entire final season felt like the writers saying "if we can't have a satisfying conclusion, neither can you".
"I will probably get a lot of hate for this"
Me: First time?
Oh hey dude.
@@Cartoonshi Yo
Cartoonshi シ no your points were on point !!
You Will Never Know Tomco is were it’s at.
@@Cartoonshi Hugs ;)
Honestly, Star is the worst character on the show. She went from fun, energetic, and crazy, to kind of a wet blanket. She also treated Tom like absolute crap, and likely will do the same to Marco. Tbh, the show would've been better off with Star just being independent. One, I feel it suits her character better, and two, it cuts out a huge block of time that was wasted on romance.
Edit; I've taken it upon myself to rewatch Star VS, as it's been a long while since I have, and god, did Star apparently change. Watching from season 2, I adore Star's zaniness, and she's easily one of my favorite characters. I think this is just an instance where the garbage writing of season 4 ruined her character for me, though I suppose I'll know for sure when I get around to it.
Star aside, my opinions have shifted quite a bit on this show, and I'm enjoying it far more on this rewatch. Still hate Starco though lmao.
Why can't I ever just see a flawed girl not get ruined? Nowadays "Strong girls" are all either Mary Sues or completely ruined
@@kaydwessie296 Exactly! (Also, nice pfp)
And it relegates the romantic interest characters on waiting on her and stuff. The way Marco S3 gave his scissors to her imo kinda shows they were going to be reduced to this.
Star is basically a simp
Star literally committed genocide, she basically fulfill what toffee wants to do, yet she gets a happy ending.
Tomco was literally the best developed relationship in this show. They had the best chemistry and made the most sense. Plus Marco treated Tom way better than Star. Honestly they should have been endgame.
same. like they where the only healthy relationship and have actual chemistry
ye
I ship it lmfao
The bois
Honestly as long as it’s not starco I’m fine with it.
Wouldn't Pony Head also be affected by the fact that there's no magic anymore? She's floating in the air despite there being no magic. I'm so confused.
my headcanon is "magic" is only something directly stemming from the wand and realm of magic. the ponyheads didn't stem from either of those things so the flying ability isn't magic. portals are magic because hekapoo is a magic creature and shes the creator of the portals and dimensional Scissors. with her dead dimensional Scissors dont work so portals can't be opened unless by tom who has the inate ability to make portals since that's an ability from his people
@@chickennoodlegamer915 lol 'headcannon' that's funny because she's literally a floating head.
She's floating on bs
In the AMA Daron announced that she knew the 4th season was the last one. She was not rushed to get things done, she actively knew how much time the show had left but she still filled it with pointless and time consuming moments.
I don't understand how a show could go from being written really well to being written worse than someone's writing assignments from 5th grade.
What. Happened.
Holy shitlord fuckballs, how does that even work??? WHAT HAPPENED???
@@Cartoonshi To add to that, in a podcast that aired a little while before the season 4 finale, daron stated that whilst working on season 3 she already knew that just getting *a 4th season* from disney would be really rare and added that final scene in Conquer to sequelbait disney into renewing the show for a 4th season.....so the show could've actually ended after season 3 if disney wasn't having any of it. Then she said that if disney didn't renew for a 4th season she said she'd ask for an extra 30 minutes after the season 3 finale to wrap stuff up....honestly don't wanna know what that would've contained.
And then indeed on top of that, for the entirety of season 4 she knew that she would never _ever_ get a 5th season and produced this rushed filler-filled horseshit anyway.
Here's the source from that podcast with timecode btw: czcams.com/video/7UbQPpioOV0/video.html&t=5846 the relevant segment goes on for about 2 minutes
I think I know why all of these pointless and time-consuming moments got added. It's because Daron Nefcy wanted to have a few more Star vs. the Forces of Evil episodes on Earth, but just wasted time and didn't execute it properly because...it wouldn't be a good time to do it until she finished the Eclipsa/Mina story and...she wouldn't have a chance to do that if it didn't happen in their 4th and final season. November 3, 2019, 12:46pm
They did bootleg cocaine.
Headband Guy *i guess nefcy just forgot*
The one plot hole I can NEVER get over is when Marco got his dimensional scissors.
The man had spent YEARS in that dimension. He went through puberty, he grew up into an adult, he became a man, and by the end of the episode the only impact it had on his character was: he doesn't remember the password to his computer.
WHAT THE FUCK GUYS!!!
You can't just pretend he is still the same kid, he should be a completely different person!
If you think about it, it is as if he went to prison. He went to a completely different place that he had to adapt to, met completely different people, all while growing up in that environment. When he saw Star (or his parents) for the first time after all those years, HE SHOULD HAVE BALLED HIS FUCKING EYES OUT, Rather than a "huh you look the same, OH WELL". This should have had such a huge impact on his character, that never gets addressed.
The worst part about it is that when he gets the chance to go back into that same place, he has no second thought about going because he likes looking good. This makes me think about when prisoners get out of a long sentence, they mention that they can't adapt to the new world because they have been stuck inside for so long, but that doesn't apply here. He can't love both heckapoo's dimension (how ever you spell her name) and his at the same time. He would be fucking traumatized.
The only crappy explanation I can possibly think of AS A JOKE is that he is keeping his troubles to himself. If this was the explanation, fine, but you could have SUCH a great episode where he breaks down and explains his problems and works through them with Star, not only great character development and relationship development between him and Star, but also have a rare message to talk about what it is like to grow up (whether it be alone in harsh conditions, or in general).
Dude Marco got shafted to fuck.
He got more development with Jackie, a side character at best (thought with potential of her own but that's not the point) then he ever did with Star. And his scissors arc? That should be a show on its own. Tagline: a lot can happen in sixteen years.
Who read that
Wait isn’t Marco 30 yo
Fully agree
@@murphyjack90 They could still make the scissors-thing into a spinoff of some kind. Nobody would bother watching it tho because of how fucked the mainseries is, lol.
how AMAZING would it have been if Marco ended up being a butterfly?? Star isn’t a butterfly and it would’ve been so awesome if Marco in the end ended up being royalty, and it would also make star a butterfly in the end if she married him.
They could have also added to this concept, if it ended up being canon, with MONSTER ARM!! Monster arm’s last line was so ominous and I sometimes wondered why monster arm cared about staying in a useless lil boy like Marco instead of trying to move on to bigger targets, but it would’ve been great if it ended up being that monster arm knew that Marco was royalty, and he was just biding his time, waiting to show up again to try and control Marco into being a tyrant once Marco found out himself that he was royalty.
Then we have evil Marco. His wand CLEARLY codes him into being “evil” and if we got a slow build up of his morality getting more and more skewed the more he stays on mewni, that would’ve been GREAT build up from the wand foreshadowing. Then, when he finds out he’s a butterfly it pushes
him over the edge and monster arm finally reveals himself, stating that he has been gaining more and more power overtime and that now he and Marco can do big things just.... hell maybe the last boss of the series should’ve been MARCO. Would’ve been wayyy better than Mina, and Marco being a smart little boy could’ve ended up figuring out a lot of stuff about mewni history and toffee’s history. The only thing is we would need some build up on is monster arm’s motivations; why DOES he want to reign supreme...is it just to be evil or is he working for someone else. Did toffee at one point corrupt the butterfly wand so that if it’s magic is used on a (biological) butterfly that has the potential to do great things monster arm appears? And he works for him and his ultimate plan is for Marco to revive toffee’s army. The audience can learn more about how evil the butterfly’s were through marco’s discoveries and it would make it very hard to choose who to root for, Marco or star, and then maybe a compromise is reached in the end of maybe MARCO CONVINCES STAR TO DESTROY THE MAGIC. I’m just rambling at this point and this doesn’t really make sense but sooooo much could’ve happened with Marco being a butterfly/ still having monster arm, and it was wasted! Idk, I just feel like if me, a 17 year old with no writing experience, can build on this then showriters with that experience could’ve been AMAZING
wow you should make youtube video on this
Yeah and it would explain why he had little Moon markings when he uses the wand.
you know, I really love the concept of good and evil
For I like dullness more, and honestly, perhaps Marco, as an official person, could have convened to help the MHC supposedly change Mewni completely to have a relationship with Hekapoo (well, or agree after completing all plans, etc.)
well, Marco's deal was probably different already without the Destruction of Magic, etc., rather something else
God no, not the secret royalty trope.
I forgot where down the line the swap happened but moon and star have those cheekmarks. And based on that marriage thing you mentioned that would make star a butterfly. Shouldn't moon's (or her husband) ancestor already married a butterfly... Making moon and star true butterflies. It's confusing
I'm mad how they ended Kelly and Marco.
I was upset but tolerant when Jarco ended but i couldn't forgive them for Kellco. Even though i went into the episodes knowing that Starco was endgame.
Both breakups were too sudden for me to accept.
Tom doesn't deserve this treatment.
Disagree.
@The Broken Tower Why should we care?
And star got NO BACKLASH for literally cheating on him she got mad at him! And he had to break it off with her
@@Gooberwares because of crazy starco shippers, if it was the other way around like Tom cheating on star then they'd go off
@@cantdecideausername8584 exactly they’d really demonize him then but he’s a good boy but it’s star’s main character syndrome she can’t be knocked down for using her princess song for putting the entire kingdom into a panic
Bringing royal teenagers into a dangerous monster castle no one has been in for years
Cheating on Tom
Still not taking respecting monsters seriously
Oh and killing time and magic
And not calling out pony head’s horrible toxic behavior
Starco
starco is what went wrong
Yep. Forget plot, forget character development, forget logic, everything good must die for STARCO!! LOOK KIDS! STARCO!! ISN'T THAT GREAT?! (Sigh) It could've been so good.
@@JamesWilson-vr3ql thats why I blamed starco because starco literally destroyed those things
I used to applaud this show for not going down that route. I jinxed us all.
Carla Carrero Yep earth is stuck with mewni because 2 kids want to smooch ...
Carla Carrero a shipping should not ruin a show. As writers and creators they should of saw how much damage this would of done and fixed it. Either not go with the ship or just fix the damage. It is entirely possible for a pairing like this to work without damaging a show.
To put it bluntly: No it cannot just be a shipping. That’s simplifying the issue.
Starco fan here....
They ruined the show for this ship.
Tbh I would have preferred a good finale over a ship becoming canon.
Seriously writers.... wtf.
And all so star and Marco can say "hi" to each other. No kiss, no hug, not even a hand-hold. Just "hi".
@@izzieb.2926 yep loads of ppl possbly dead from two words being combined and just a "hi"
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 words?😂
Sorry lol I know you mean 'worlds', but now I have this funny mental image where someone combines two long words that sound nothing alike and the world descends into chaos for some convaluted reason. Omg that actually lowkey sounds like a plot point in a Regular Show or Amazing World of Gumball episode 🤣
And I also realized you misspelled 'possibly' in a way that a lot of people actually pronounce it😆
(This is not meant to be condescending. I've always disliked THOSE people in comment sections who unnecessarily critique and correct people's spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc. And I'm one of those people who is always correcting their siblings on their grammar. But this is CZcams for Pete's sake. The rules of the English language don't apply here😅)
@@izzieb.2926 ya we can be idiots all we want here
@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 Not to mention a surge of ISIL beheadings.
I mean, why Eclipsa couldn't just destroy an entire Mina's army by simply repeating the destruction spell several times? Even if it destroys half of the Mewni, it's still much better than destroying magic and killing all magical creatures in ALL dimensions
I think it should be standard practice that EVERY time a crew makes a new season, they should go back and watch EVERY episode (at least ONCE, maybe TWICE) they made up to that season so they keep their lore, characters and continuity straight.
AMEN
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Greatsaiyakirby Fucking thank you. I was pissed off when they forgo the lore and destroyed magic. The only people that are happy are the diehard Starco fans. They basically just said fuck you to everyone who only watched for the lore and history.
Counter point- they shouldn’t _have_ to do that because they should remember the stories they wrote because idk that’s the basic skill of any story writer
I absolutely agree, make it like a group thing for all the writers so they can also throw out ideas for the upcoming season, not only will it make them more aware of their continuity and characters but it would help make storylines that feel like reincorporation and don't make seasons feel so seperated.
The show honestly should've stayed with kept it's tone in season 1 and 2. Slice of life and episodic. The lame attempt to practically be gravity falls should never have been.
Believe me I was all for them being more dramatic and story-driven, especially after the endings for Seasons 1 and 2, but even though I think Season 3 was the best Season in terms of story, in hindsight Season 2 was a lot better and I personally still think Season 1 was the best. The drama just wasn’t built up well and the story just travelled along like afterthoughts.
@@Cartoonshi I agree see they should've taken the whole love triangle bullshit. Add more to the lore that's was in the guidebook. And explore toffee past you the guy that had some much potential
@@xblade149 God I miss Toffee
Yeah, IDK why every show feels the need to get plot-heavy and dramatic. Why can't we get more We Bare Bears, interesting plots in every episode while still being light-hearted and fun? No genocide, no main characters being separated forever, no getting rid of magic, a huge charm in the show.
@@anubis7457 they could've done so much with him
Mina and her army killed a number of innocent monsters, who tried to fight them off. And no punishment for Mina and racist villagers. Moon didn't get any punishment for her out of character and disgusting actions as well.
Toffee was the only villain who got punished for things that Star did at the end of the season 4. Star is a "hero" and Toffee is a "bad guy". He didn't get off the hook, while everyone else did.... Why? I liked Toffee as a villain, he should have had a bigger role and should have been the main antagonist, not brainless Mina.
You've got to love how no one talks about how Moon should have been punished, not even most of the people who know about this show, am I right?
It was actually a perfect ending
It shows the message:
Fuck everyone
Only Star and Marco and their "love" matter
Everyone else can die for all they care
Executive meddling + terrible writers who have no idea what the fuck they were doing in the first place = DISAPPOINTMENT
People already mentioned the continuity of the show and them knowing about four seasons but I wanna add that Nefcy said that apparently she was MAKING THE STORY UP AS SHE WENT
@@Cartoonshi Apologies, it wasn't Nefcy who said it, but rather Writer, Director and Producer: Dominic Bisignano.
On his tumblr, he responded to a question by an anonymous asker and said "we work out a lot of themes beforehand, but Star is written by the people who are making it as it's being made" which seems to imply that they write the show with only general themes in mind.
And this is why we write scripts beforehand. Sadly many studios have forgotten about that.
Absolute Madness that’s just disappointing
She WHAT
the starco ending doesnt even make sense because marco is all like "ive felt this way from the start" even though he wanted to kick her out when they first met and the box of truth even confirmed marco didnt feel that way. daron is a fangirl of her own product and is such an idiot in general. i think she is still a kid in the worst way possible. she isnt a writer, shes just someone who wrote a story. you know what i mean? she cares more about fan service and being progressive than her actual resolution and characters in the show
And even then, it was shown how Marco showed his feelings very obviously, like with Jackie. However, Marco started showing his emotions around season 3. So that’s when we can conclude that Marco started having feelings around season 3, right? However, that doesn’t make any sense because he only started showing feelings when Tad addressed them. Such inconsistency.
@@marcusvergara6193 and his feelings in season 3 don't even count considering the bloud moon curse..
@@supercvnt exactly. However, that’s just disacknowledged, because if the blood moon curse was to curse them together, shouldn’t it have made them both fall in love at the same time? And that doesn’t even explain why star stopped having feelings for Marco during season 3. And even so, star having feelings again in the final episodes of the final season isn’t consistent, because we don’t see any buildup.
@@marcusvergara6193 actually it means that Marco and Star only started having feelings for each other after breaking the curse, which is like 7 episodes before them getting together, and don't fucking tell me that two people can fall in love in like 2 weeks
"i guess Nefcy just forgot"
Personally, I see Lumity from The Owl House as one giant middle finger to Starco in that it's a prime example of how to actually write a romance subplot in which the relationship actually feels healthy and natural...not to mention the romance subplot in Owl House doesn't get in the way of character development and story progression
And Amphibia was another big middle finger to Star vs FoE;
- showing how to make a calculated, evil lizard (ik Newts are amphibious).
- how to do a finale by taking over another dimension
- have there dimensions be divided and STILL DIVIDED by the end of the series.
- AND BOTH MAIN CHARACTERS (sprig and Ann) ARE OKAY WITH, AND SAID THEIR GOODBYES.
Star Vs and Miraculous do the worst job at trying to make the viewers ship characters.
But Lumity is mid.
@@lisabarnes924
SPOILERS
and the owl house had the dimensions divided but Luz could still visit both worlds
and the only person who tried genocide was the VILLIAN
This proves my hypothesis correct, the studios have grown incompetent.
I feel that one of the biggest missed opportunities in this show was that we never got an Alice in Wonderland homage, satire, or even parody when Star herself looks enough like the titular character that she could have either cosplayed, dressed up as for Halloween, or went to a Wonderland/Mirrorland-like dimension to recreate the iconic works of Lewis Carroll. In the Halloween episode she dresses up like Ludo. I'm like, "Ugh...why? I don't get it." Hell, Star fighting off sentient cards, the Jabborwocky, sentient chess pieces would have been hilariously awesome to see. A premise like could have easily written itself.
I guess Nefcy just forgot...
Actually, it wasn't really Disney's fault, since Daron expected the fourth season to be the last since the very moment it was renewed, so before of writing it.
That makes the Season about 50 times worse then.
You're right, it's Daron and the writers' fault on this one.
@shaquille mccray Agreed
@shaquille mccray I'll just stick with season 1 and 2
yeah ok just gonna weigh in here. On something that nobody talks about/has mentioned yet in everywhere i have read.
As i re watched the finale i think i got it. I think i got why the finale upset me so much. It was a subtle writing flaw that ticked me off as a writer that i didn't get until now. But now that i do ii understand why i still have issues. Simply put i let myself be confused by her wanting to stop mina. This is not important in the long run.
What upset me so much was that Star never considered all the problems for others not on mewni without magic(or the spells) . what star did was the antithesis of the whole show, she became what she hated, a queen making a big decision for everyone else without actually considering the wants and needs of others. That is why i was so upset. When you break it down that is so against what Star's character is that it's downright upsetting.
It sort of just...Makes her what she hated so much.
Someone who makes decisions for others, saying it's for the best without asking anyone else.
Literally her entire problem with the commission was this very thing and them lying about it saying ti was for the greater good of mewni.
She basically does the same thing
that feels so wrong
Its just...
So selfish.
And there are no real consequences or fallout of this that affects her in a negative personal way
It makes Star almost into a Mary Sue
Everyone loves her and accepts her decisions no matter what and faces no consequences for her actions
She kills magic and gets the guy in the end
Simply put it makes star a hypocrite. Think about it. Star is litteraly a giant hypocrite by the end of the series and nobody points this out or addresses it. Heck even most people pointing out the problems of the show DON'T point THIS out either
I've been having the same thought. Finale Star is effectively the inverse of First Episode Star in a lot of ways, but they share the same faults. Generally self-centered and destructive, with no real thoughts about the consequences of their actions outside of changes that positively affect them.
It's like a character moving forward in their arc, except they move sideways instead. They've moved really far, but haven't gotten any closer to the end goal.
Yes, Star cares a lot more about people she didn't previously. But she still doesn't regard her own accountability or consequences for how she impacts them. NO ONE does. Where other characters get called out for doing things that only "seemed" evil in the past or actually have to atone for evil deeds, Star gets away with convincing people to straight-up destroy themselves and who-knows-how-many others because "it's the right thing to do". It's mind-boggling about how little anyone is actually willing to call-out her considerably radical and hypocritical ideas.
The only saving grace I have for the ending is that the background characters/ humans have consistently been shown to be hilariously apathetic. They'd probably just go to work, have a monster standing in their cubicle when they get there, shrug, and pretend he'd been there since their first day on the job.
Yeah they made a big show of how racism is bad, but then they opened many, MANY cans of worms full of terrible life lessons that kids shouldn't be learning. And then, when you completely invalidate any good reason a person might want their kids to watch the show for life lessons, what was even the point of the racist bit? She committed genocide and flipped the lives of trillions of different creatures over multiple worlds, and likely even galaxies, and then gets the guy at the end. With no consequences that we the audience get to see... The sheer level of garbage morality this show had makes a old timey slapstick mickey mouse cartoon look angelic.
Y'know, that would've been a really good twist if it were intentionally written to be like that...and it's not.
And that's what hurt the show, in a lot of ways.
Nacia Bell COMPLETELY AGREED
Star "supposedly" was against powerful people doing selfish things for the "greater good" and she ended up exactly like that, not only that...
The show spent ENTIRE EPISODES explaining us how mewmans and monsters were enemies SIMPLY by the fact they lived in the same planet and star finding a solution to all this conflict, now humans, mewmans and monsters live in the same planet, THEREFORE ruining everything star struggled too much to achieve, she made bad decisions but everyone still forgave her, she's loved by everyone and she destroyed the only struggle she made right, I don't like to apply the term Mary Sue to characters out of fanfics because Mary Sue is a fanfic term but Star Butterfly is an example of a Mary Sue, she's a badly written character sadly
AGREED
This series finale is the equivalent to the one video where some guy dressed as a stormtrooper walking down the steps but suddenly stumbling down.
the fact that what star did to the magic was exactly what the genocidal villain of the owl house was doing
Gravity Falls was spaced out perfectly compared to this. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always loved Star vs, but the filler episodes just never contributed to the plot line and were pretty pointless, and the plot driven episodes just felt rushed. GF had filler episodes too, but they developed characters, revealed important details, and still moved the plot along while staying interesting and hilarious. SVTFOE had so much potential, but it was almost all wasted.
comparing gravity falls to svtfoe is like comparing the mona lisa to to a piece of soiled toilet paper.
@shaquille mccray at least Mabel didn't kill all the magical creatures in gravity falls
Don't.... don't compare them. Gravity falls is one of the best thing that has happened in the world of cartoons.
@@Segen_Bell it really was tbh. loved gravity falls so much
Ive always seen the purpose of filler episodes is to make us care about the main cast so that when the actual important episodes happened and stakes were high, we actually felt what the characters were feeling. Gravity Falls did this perfectly, and Star vs. did this for a time too, but eventually it made me NOT want to care about all of the characters aside from Tom because everyone else sucked. Tom was the MVP of season 4 though.
I knew something was off when Kelly and Marco ship just kind craped out dispite multiple episodes of them connecting
jay day Ikr. Then she kinda just disappeared from the show
Honestly, Marco and Kelly's break up was lame, in my opinion.
you just arnt getting it
if a ship is being developed for two seasons it has to end in about 3 - 4 episodes. It's just how you write a good show. right?
spidertrey ok, but having them break-up off screen was lazy and stupid af
Honestly... I was kinda rooting for them. (Yes, I ship. What of it?) Of course I always knew it wasn't going to be permanent but I had no idea how crappy their relationship would ultimately be treated by the show. If I had known that this is what they would do with that, then I honestly would have prefered if they had cut out their relationship altogether. The way it is now, it only wasted everyone's time.
And again, this comes from someone who was actually shipping Kellco. They could've had their relationship mean something and still end the series with Starco.
When The Owl House was made by the same company, suffered the same fate midway through production, but still is going strongly with great writing and lovable characters:
This has been proven time and time again that even the worst shows have some talent behind them. The Owl House will forever be my best example of this since it managed to redeem itself in 2 seasons.
Never watched the final season. I stop watching when they wrote Jackie Lynn Thomas off the show.
@shaquille mccray facts
I shipped Marco and Jackie and Marco and Kelly 10 times more than Marco and Star. Marco and Star felt like a brotherly sisterly bond and the Star and Marco had way better relationships than Starco.
@@joshuajoe1419 agreed
I agree they should’ve left jarco alone and gave Jackie some more character like her family life or something
Does anyone else think about the implications of merging dimensions? I mean, multiple things could merge on top of each other. Imagine just sitting in your room one second and then the next second you're impaled by a tree from another dimension. What if an ocean teleports under your house and destroys it in its waves, causing you to drown? How about the electric grid, sewage systems, and highways? They would also be destroyed, right? What about the cities around the world? Could their buildings topple and fall after having their foundations replaced. Not to mention the 200 foot tall monsters most people have never seen before doing substantial damage just by walking, which would likely cause another war. Although this setting could be a really interesting set up for a hypothetical season 5. Imagine Star and Marco's guilt after finding out their love caused millions of casualties and trillions in property damage. Would they stay together and risk another dimension merger or would they separate for the greater good?
Thomas N. Golf stay together because they’re sociopaths
*I guess Nefcy just forgot*
Don’t forget that this dimensional merge occurred solely because two sociopaths were horny for each other
Diamentional merge?...Suddenly chris chan
@@Commenter839 😂 dude good one and nefcy forgot that marco was a main character too 🤣 i guess thats another thing nefcy just forgot
They did tomstar so dirty tbh
In a better show they would've been a couple that helped each other become better people, star inspiring Tom and tom inspiring star as they tackle the monster conflict together with their friend Marco and set a good example for the future. (I would've also given them props for not making the obvious couple endgame and doing a mature route where it ties more into one of the main conflicts and shows people can change and try again and do better)
Or at least, that's what I thought in s3 when they actually included Tom more in the monster conflict and presented a really interesting idea about him being half monster from his perspective. Since meteora was babified I would've liked hearing Tom talk about what it's like to be mixed race in this universe but it never comes up again and its wasted potential. I really don't know why they even made him half monster or even acknowledge star and Tom showed hope for the future of monster and mewman relations if they were either never gonna bring it up or squander it to get starco together last minute.
I guess daron nefcy just forgot.
Tbh I just prefer to pretend Cornonation was the finale and they defeated mina after and nothing after it happened, the show would still have problems but at least Cornonation felt like the end and left everything in a more satisfying way then the actual end. I prefer leaving off with the idea eclipsa has her family back to rule mewni, tom and star are happy and going on a trip together, marco will move back soon to see his sister, ect ect.
Tbh the AMA addresses some of the things mentioned in this video, that the finale wasn't rushed and daron loves the finale and thinks the people upset just want more content, that apparently they really didn't have an explanation for Marco's marks at all....not even why they're moons as apparently they would've been fine picking other options, that she loves the "filler" episodes, ect ect and I don't think it'll make anything a lot better for you.
I love this show but it is full of wasted potential and at the very least the majority of the fans hated this end and knew it wasn't satisfying for all the years they spent invested in the mysteries, plots, and characters.
This is the show of wasted potential.
Honestly the fact that Nefcy doesn’t understand the effect filler has during an ongoing story and dismisses the massive plot holes as people wanting more content shows that she most likely just gave up with this season after realising everything they set up made no sense.
@@Cartoonshi according to her she likes the episodes because she finds them fun but it doesn't entirely work for this series and they left way too much hanging without an explanation.
Priorities here.
They spent an episode getting Kelly and Marco together despite the fact they'd have to break them up almost immediately instead of an episode about what was so complicated about eating Shastacan. They prioritized the spell episode despite the evil spell amounting to nothing by the end instead of an episode about Tom dealing with why he might want to break up with star.
Even if we were to believe daron is lying out of her teeth on it not being rushed to avoid conflict with Disney she's still at fault for what the season chose to do with it's time. The crew should've used it more wisely or changed things to better suit an end even if it meant not getting the end daron planned.
If you're gonna have tomstar last almost 2 seasons, just let then be endgame, don't break them up last minute to rush star and Marco together.
If you have not spent enough time building to it, don't destroy magic, do something else for the end conflict.
If you can't do it well don't do it at all, find another end note suitable. I would've been just fine with an epic battle against mina and her army involving every character we've gotten to know fighting against them. It wouldn't be perfect but it'd at least be better then this.
You can come up with another ridiculous reason to cure the solarian magic, if you had readjusted this end and readjusted stuff early on you could've set something up.
She says she left so many plot holes to give her and her fans more to play with but it just feels lazy, theres having minor stuff unexplained and then theres this show where it feels like something will come back and be explained but never does. She might never get back to this show so we might never get any actual answers.
I just personally wish she at least acknowledged she may of screwed up, shes avoided most of the criticism and really good questions about her troubled continuity and plot holes, and only acknowledged the rare amount praising it as amazing despite it being clear the majority of fans hated how most of this stuff went.
I'd have more respect if she acknowledged the other aspects of the fanbase weren't pleased instead of brushing them off as silly or shrugging about it mostly. It makes her seem blissfully unaware and it bothers everyone.
Oh well, time to dive into better written fancontent that takes advantage of the ideas presented, treats tomstar with more respect, and has a better basis on how magic works in this universe then the actual series.
Starco really did ruin the show
Daron didn’t forget about anything, she admitted that Tom is a mix of her ex boyfriends, and since Starco is her self admitted self insert fantasy, she can’t have anything but her IRL relationship (Starco) work.
@@meandtheboysat2amlookinfor88 That's also flat out terrible writing.
I love how they had a bunch of dumb filler episodes trying to make us care about Star's spells interacting inside her wand only to murder them all when Star destroys the magic. The spells Star *created* herself were conscious living beings and they made a point to show us that when the end goal was apparently killing them offscreen and hoping no one would think too hard about it.
"Ive felt this way from the start" does anyone remember the truth or dare episode where he said he had a crush on Jackie? He wasnt lying then. So??? Wtf??
To further prove that Marco has a crush on Jackie even after the Blood Moon Curse was placed, look no further than "Naysaya". Marco was apparently cursed by Tom after the Blood Moon Ball with this eponymous curse, so every time Marco tries to woo his true love, a small head would grow out of his neck and reveals embarrassing secrets.
Needless to say, it appears when Marco asks _Jackie_ out on a date, NOT Star.
this is called CREATORS do not care about everything they need to do under their control and path
This was the most impactful cartoon ending I've seen. I dreamt of 5 alternative endings in a row after watching the Final Episode. Each night for 5 dcking days. Just because the ending was so dcking bad.
I need to know what you dreamt off! Must have been much better than the actual ending
Tell me please!
You should write them as fanfics
Damn I wish I could dream as consistently as that
Star: I used the magic to destroy the magic
Moon:.....YOU MURDERED BILLIONS!!
Star: You should be grate- *gets beheaded*
And moon is next for endangering her people despite not trusting eclipsa even though SHES THE REASON SHES BACK ON THE THRONE TO BEGIN WITH !!
you said it man
@@Gooberwares *have you ever heard of the 4th Crusade*
WHO CARES?! IT IS A CARTOON FOR PETE'S SAKE!😹
@@sunnythehedgehog5026 calm down I’m not going into a blood rage sheesh They messed up real bad on the show that’s all
Alternative ending: Star is hallucinating and everybody died.
Alternate alternate ending: They go with Eclipsas Plan 3 and all 3 of the queens (eclipsa star and moon) go fight and defeat the solarian warriors/mina. I think a compromise to destroying the magic would just be to just destroy the wand. And Star and marco could just visit with dimensional scissors. I 100% agree with his opinion on the Magic high commission because they're problematic af however i think hes taking the show way too seriously but i also agree with the loads of fillers being shoved in at the end being unnecessary because they really were unnecessary.
@@honestybaddie*OH! WHAT! OH!*
Better variant:after Star and Marco love(when they hugged in the realm of magic) created a new type of magic,more powerfull,usefull,and which can only be used for good - which resurect all dead magical creatures and opens all portals again.
Are we going to ignore that Star Butterfly commited magical genocide?
This is old BUT now that I think about it, didn't Nefcy said Tom could still teleport since he's a demon ???? Even if the magic was gone? Like .... Then why he couldn't go if his powers aren't magical ... What
People:"The Key evaporated"
Tom:"So...?"
People:"Your door is currently locked."
I GUESS NEFCY JUST FORGOT
I dont listen to the reddit ama it was fun to read but the only lore I consider canon is directly from the show and maybe from the book of spells
I mean tbh I understood why Tom broke up with Star, she was an awful girlfriend the entire time. She practically used him as a vessel when she wasn't with Marco. Marco's character died when he started liking Star. Tom developed well but he’s literally just used by Star. She kissed Marco and then got mad at Tom for knowing and not saying anything and not being mad. Then is a bit upset his mom is a bit suspicious about her hurting him again
Man really? Why didn't Marco go with the imp mushroom chick, she seemed like a chill, kinda sassy type girlfriend.
Can we just talk about the fact that Star is considered to be a complete sociopath and that the Butterfly Family committed complete genocide in several universes on both A: Creatures that are made of magic, and B: Creatures that were reliant on magic.
The fact that The Owl House managed to deliver a billion times better and more fun final season with only two and a half hours as apposed to a full final season of SVFoE drives in even further how terrible this finale was
As a kid with ADHD that played connect 4, can relate
Ship vise: I thought it would be a so much better message if Tom and Star ended up together as soon as Tom said “you’re a mewman, I’m a monster. If we can make it work, then there’s hope for everyone..”. And btw, apparently every character is bi so they just fucking threw all meaning of sexuality away.
I could’ve handle ANYTHING else then Star committing FUCKING *GENOCIDE*
What are u talking about only Jackie and Star were implicated of being bi.
@@xblade149 I thought Tom too. He threw 'If I kissed Marco' too casualy.
@@DeathKitta Let's not forget he also seemed reeeeeally into Marco's tight swim trunks.
Side Notee then being bi makes literally no difference tho (if they even are bi?).
I can't believe Nefcy forgot some of those words and just make it meaningless
main character commits several genocides in the finale and yet toffee was brutally murdered for attempting the same. oof.
Wait, when did he attempted that?
The only good thing that came from the final season was Tom's character development, like it's not that often that you see the typical 'ex-boyfriend who wants his ex-girlfriend back and does shitty things to get her back' stereotype actually change and become more than just that. I did really like seeing that. I also like how him leaving Star is a pretty good message to any kids watching it, since by that point, we've had a lot of build-up showing how badly Star treats him. And while a lot of shows would just ignore an obviously bad relationship, Tom breaks up with her, which is in my opinion a really good message. Not only does it say 'hey, don't stay with someone who treats you badly' but it also arguably has the message of 'even if you were a bad person in the past, that doesn't mean you're allowed to be treated like shit in the present.' You could also say that Tom's arc is about how 'being young, isn't an excuse for being a bad person.'
That's why Tom is baby
I agree. Gravity Falls ended perfectly in 2016. SVTFOE unfortunately--feels unfinished and incomplete. They also failed to mention about the TRUE villain named Seth of Septarsis; he--along with the resurrected or phantom Toffee--could've been the TRUE endgame instead of little miss monster-racist whacko Mina Loveberry. And I'd just wish Hekapoo transformed into a human with absolutely NO magic if she was given one final wish before the eradication of magic---IF season 5 ever existed but will never happen. I like the show but if Disney COULD'VE done better, then the creator, along with her team, could've made the show even better, and Disney would've overruled the 4-season limit just once and season 5 would've happened maybe in 2020. Also, the series finale episode "Cleaved" is mostly mediocre but otherwise sucked.
Mina made sense as a final boss. She's the racist reactionary who can't accept that times have changed
@Megatron Prime Agreed.👍🏾
I wouldn't say the Weirdmaggedon was perfect. Mabel never got called out on her bs in the finale.
E1ite Yoshi Oh, my God. Why do people like you exist? 🤦🏾♂️
Alex did a wayyy better job-
probably because half the cast was just him but still
So, Star is a sociopathic villain now.
Yeah you know she fucked up when emperor belos is going to do the same thing and it is painted as a bad thing
I have a feeling SVTFOE was the reason why The Owl House got cancelled. Disney probably knew Season 4 was pretty bad and thought story driven shows aren't really their thing anymore and want to go back to episodic shows. They already greenlit Amphibia and The Owl House a year prior in 2018, Amphibia was already ahead of production, so Disney chose the other show to be cancelled.
The owl house's finale is the polar opposite to star's in every regard, like it's crazy. It wasn't perfect but it was still amazing and the best possible scenario of the worst circumstance.
Tom is like Zuko if they never acknowledged his redemption and forgave him
To me, I think the worst part of the finale was that the message turns out to be "Toffee was right". Saying your villan was overall right is a terrible message for a story that isn't engaging in grey-ish morality.
Yes, magic was used to cause a lot of problems, but it was also the solution to a lot of problems. Just like, you know, _every_ major tool in human (and in-universe terms, every sapient's) history. I honestly thought that Star's declaration in the penultimate episode was something that in the finale Star realizes it would be impossible or the wrong way to go about it. I groaned when I realized the plan was actually going to "work" and was being celebrated as the right move.
I personally do like Starco. I think they are cute together.
However, you _don't make it happen by putting one of the key breakups offscreen_ ! That is just lazy telling instead of showing for an important point.
Also, despite me liking the ship, they rubbed it in our faces too much; too blatant with teasing it.
And yes, Star was a bad girlfriend. What if this happened instead? Have Tom break up with Star for being a bad girlfriend, have Star go soul searching, realize her flaws, commit to fix those flaws, and then Marco can recognize she is trying to improve on that and they can try to learn how to relationship right together.
That would have felt natural and developed. Not a hamfisted starry-eyed mindwammied "I love you" being tipping point.
Starco could have worked, and really well if written right. But not like this...
Not to mention, "Toffee was right" is an alarmingly simplistic message, considering "Destroy Magic" was only Step _One_ of the plan. Step Two was obviously "Take back all of Mewnie in the name of Monsterkind... by taking my gigantic army of furious, nigh-unkillable super-monsters, rolling over the mostly unarmed and almost entirely helpless Mewman population, and basically re-enacting Mewnipendence Day/The Great Monster Massacre in reverse, only instead of just crushing the Mewman armies, we'll be slaughtering every last man, woman, and child, and likely any Mewman-allied monsters too".
I'm just happy that he was even mentioned in the finale
Thanos was right
The show became a mindless chaos ship war which cause people to give up on the show and i can see why. Although i feel that the Starco fans are the ones to blame for bringing the show downhill and cause Marco and Star to break up with Jackie and Tom which i thought it was going well for them since it seem they only care about their ship instead of the actual story.
STARCO ÜBER ALLES!!
Don’t forget Kellyco where they broke up off screen.... and Marco knows how Kelly has gone through a lot of relationships issues and then got dumped by Marco...
Isaiah Rivers Look I’m not a big starco fan and I do not know much on the fandom. But I get the feeling that they planned starco from the start but did not incorporate it right. I’m just saying don’t blame the fans.
The fans probably made it worse, but I feel like it was on Nefcy for most of it. Even with Starco Shippers, a lot of them either stopped liking the ship or weren't satisfied at the end because it was rushed and unsatisfying (like myself. I stopped caring halfway through season 3). Anyway, just saying, don't necessarily blame the fans, we do have some taste.
Wasn't Starco suppose to be the writer and her husband? So I doubt the fans was what made it worst.
The series finale in a nutshell: “Wow…that was shit 😀”
No, it's more like: “WOW, that was a hot mess of a finale 😅”
Is that a Hazbin Hotel reference?