Dirty Electricity: What it is and how to fix it
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- čas přidán 11. 10. 2021
- While everyone is paying the most attention to wireless tech like 5G, dirty electricity is often completely overlooked. In short, all our wondrous gizmos generate noise that couples to the human body from the electrical wiring in our homes, schools, places of work, and so on. What effects does this dirty electricity have? Well, it ain't pretty. Fortunately, there are simple filters you can get that reduce the dangers from this type of noise. Join me for a look at DE and get clean power!
Goodies from the vid:
- Dirty Electricity book by Milham (affiliate link): amzn.to/3BBiTzR
- Capacitive coupling: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacit...
- Displacement current: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displac...
- Stetzer Electric web site: www.stetzerelectric.com/
- Greenwave web site: greenwavefilters.com/
Fluo tube pic:
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I love how you try to explain complicated processes and then you say, "so now you're probably wondering, what do I do with this, " and I'm like no, I'm stuck on "flux capacitor" which got me thinking about the movie Back to the Future, and I completely missed everything you said from that point, anyways, still enjoy your videos! 😊👍💗
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LOL! Same thing happened to me and then I started researching every 3 min after he said something I wanted to understand better. So it only took me an hour and a half to finish the video. :-)
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This is by far the most detailed video about dirty electricity I've found to date. Thank you
Best summary on this subject. Thanks Scottie cracking a unit open and sharing your findings.
I bought the Greenwave filters to remedy a problem I had with computer equipment doing weird things I couldn't explain and had troubleshot it down to EMI on the line. Like off the charts it was so bad. My electric utility here in Canada wouldn't fix it so I went out in search of power bars and anything else I could find that said it would filter EMI. The Greenwave filters are hands down the best device out there for cutting it down. What I actually did was at my main breaker (fuse) panel I installed 2x 15 amp circuits as the first breakers where the 2 lines of the split-phase power I have coming into my North American Supply. It's 220 volt but split phase of 110v and 110v. So I have one 15 amp breaker on the one leg and another on the second. I installed 2 plugs on these breakers and put in 2 Greenwave filters on each plug of each of the split phase lines right at the breaker panel and I dropped my incoming off the chart noise down to 104mv as measured by the Greenwave meter. I then bought extra to put one in each room of the house and I managed to get it down to 24mv at each spot in the house. All the random issues I had with my computer equipment rebooting stopped, I swear I feel better (anecdotal, nothing to confirm though) and I swear that we are having less issues with electronic devices in general. I also noticed that the sine-wave is clean waves now and not fuzzy waves when I look at it with my Oscilloscope. Anyway, just thought I'd pass along the information.
i want to thank you for this video. I have always suspected issues with powerlines at home and at work but could not substantiate my suspicions. As soon as you started discussing the book, I purchased it from your affiliate link (hope it works).
Hey Scottie. Thanks for all the vid os man. I really enjoy your no BS approach. All the best.
this is the best and simplest explanation ive heard so far and i was up bought on electronics and installation of electrical equipment
Thanks! Cleared the mystery for me. Great video. Been wondering how to diminish the dirty electricity but thought it was far more complicated than how you presented it
Good morning Cletus and Scottie! Grabbing my coffee and happy for a new vid🖖🏻
This was a great episode, looking forward to the followup! A lot of times we switch off entire rooms on the circuit breaker for instance where we sleep, and then also sleep on an earthing mat. It feels like sleeping in a cabin in the woods!
Really appreciate the clarity of your explanation around dirty electricity. I have had a Green Wave kit and been sitting on it not sure what to do with it. Now I know. Thanks so much.
Thank you for this. I like you and your style of teaching. You simplify well. I am happy that I found your channel.
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great video, @Scottie -- and interesting you mentioned that more 'remote' effect when sanitizing your computer area, and your bedroom getting lower levels at the same time. This is one of these effects that Stezer himself or Orham Miller and other building biologist always point out! Also means that stuff really can come from your neighbors (especially ones that have that "clean"-energy stuff like solar panels -- that aren't so clean after all when they feed-in or use inverters to have AC). When I was little, I used to experiment a lot with DC power for a lot of "household stuff", especially the things that run on low-voltage DC anyway (model railroads, energy-saving halogen desk lamps, many of my other toys and gizmos, radios, fax machines back in the day, battery chargers and what not). Totally would make a lot of sense to use these (from a DC car battery or the like) in order to skip the problem in the first place (at least for these items). I know it still wouldn't solve the remaining issues with your other appliances, DE coming from the neighborhood, let alone shit traveling over the lines if there are smart meters installed in the vicinity etc. On that note, let me also point out what a BAD IDEA the entire "LAN-over-powerline" BS would be!
Had the same issues with Stetzer-item shipping you mentioned, thinking of maybe aggregating a larger shipment using some US re-mailing service and then pay the men (including customs thugs, I know) just once. Viabox and some place in IN (strategically located b/c Amazon hub there) might make sense. Anyway, had looked into much of this for some time, but you kind of reminded me to really put it into practice ASAP...
Thanks for this one!
Thank you so much for this video, Scottie. A friend of mine was talking about it but couldn't explain it and it sounded weird. Now I understand that my friend hasn't lost his mind.
Trust me, your friend AND you have both lost your minds if you're listening to this guy. You're not electrical equipment. Don't stick your finger in the outlet and you will be just fine.
@@AnthonyCelata Do you have anything to back yourself up with or just running your mouth for the hell of it?
@@4hoofd Everything he says is 100% legit. You should go buy 100 of those filters right now and plug every receptacle in your house with them. Good luck.
@@AnthonyCelata This is the thing tho. People like you always got some shit to say but never feel the need make it make sense. Explain why he's wrong or be one of the many sad and ignorant youtube dwellers.
@@4hoofd I think I'll stick with the "sad and ignorant" folks than waste my time explaining why the electricity in your house has zero effect on you, so long as don't stick your finger in the outlet.
Thank you for the recommendations. I've been searching for a while, not finding anything suitable until today with your help. Much appreciated.
Looking Forward To The How To Build Your Own Video
i had crazy high numbers in my house....certain LED lightbulbs especially the 4 ft shoplights i had everywhere, were really boosting the numbers....changed to all incandescent bulbs(zero on the scale)and got filters for almost every circuit....all numbers are below 50 and i've NEVER slept better !
Uhm: you must be sleeping with the lights on since if the lights and everything else is switched off then there is no so called "dirty EMR"!
@@matthewsheeran so you can subject yourself to it all day and it won't affect your sleep ? congrats to you !!
Thank you for the very good explanation. It will help me to clean up the "dirty things"
You’ve made a good point that has never occurred to me, simply because I cannot afford these expensive toys. The inverters you’ve mentioned, connected to the solar panel systems, which are EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. When you spoke of the inverters, it opened my eyes to the fact that batteries store a DC charge, and so, I would likely be so much smarter to leave any inverters out of the equation, if I’m only going to go plugging in AC/DC adapters into my inverter once I have one!!
For those about to rock…
the problem is any length of DC wire will lose more energy to heat trying to run low voltage, than you would lose using a good pure sine inverter and then using your small DC converter at the end.
Thanks for explaining things. I wanted to remove wifi from my home but the task sounded daunting and expensive. From watching your video 3 years ago I removed wifi and am so thankful for you to make these videos (For Dummies) 😂❤️
Thanks. So glad I came upon your web site.
Thank you heaps. So well explained.
Thank You for sharing your valuable knowledge on this topic. We have had a LOT of strange health problems and other problems throughout this house we bought eight years ago. Recently discovered spaghetti wire job and hundreds of chewed wire jackets throuout. Sounds like this house would be off the charts...
Odd to me this was put out THREE MONTHS AGO and I just got it today 1/18/2022???!!!!
I enjoy your talks......over my head but still informative. Thank you young man 👍
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Thank you! Super informative, I have some really sensitive speakers and when I turn on the amp I can hear a hummmmmm I guess I need to get myself some filters hehe
This is truly been one of the BEST VIDEOS I HAVE EVER SEEN ON CZcams!!! TY Scottie for your extensive knowledge!!! I've been getting bad pops and crackling in my Hazelrigg VLC Pre amplifier and I think it because of dirty electricity. I bought the EMI meter and some green wave filters because of you hope I can get them some to see if this is the problem :) is there an email I can ask you a few questions from? Thanks in advance! DJ
I have the same problem in my house w white noise coming through speakers. Did the filters help?
Noise? I get tingly and nearly faint. Very interesting, thank you.
Thank you great info🤪
It's interesting , I didn't even guess about such things , thanks Scottie , :)
Scottie: Thanks for this. I'd just like to add that some naturopaths believe one thing that may make people more sensitive to RFI/EMI is heavy metal toxicity. They theorize that metals in the body could act like tiny antennae and thereby increase the amount of RFI/EMI you absorb.
i wonder what effect graphene oxide would have??? I heard that this substance is in some pointy things injected into the body...
The forced chemical cocktails and those heavy metals have lovely side effects such as strokes, thrombosis, and sudden adult death syndrome. But we dont talk about that...
@@Mihalyofficial What does that have to do with dirty electricity?
Thank you for explaining things in the way you do, rather than being an alarmist. It helps people that don't necessarily understand and doesn't turn them off from new ways of thinking. I'm not a "techy" myself and am just curious if having the filter plugged in is actually "using" electricity. Meaning, would it change a person's electric bill? Also, does "cleaning" the sine wave up benefit our normal electrical devices in any way? In a typical situation, with an average amount of dirty electricity.
No, the filters won't change your electric bill, and they won't improve energy efficiency or anything like that. I suppose they might actually help other devices in some cases since the AC is 'cleaner'.
@@ScottiesTech Thank you so much!
i was working once in some small office with those old long flourescent tube blocks, and i swear i could felt the phisycal disconfort whenever thing was switched on
It was most-likely because you're sensitive to the flicker from the light. Many people are.
Thank You . . .
As I interpret this, I am getting dirty electricity from the grid as well as adding my own from my "smart" appliances. How do I keep dirty electricity from my 200v drier from entering my home network? Is there a "whole house" filter to address dirt from the grid?
Wow good explanation! Do lots of gigs🎤 and the mixer reacts somthimes wird, especially in big bars, for example, suddenly de refurb shuts off.when the kitchen is closed then problem is solved..i think. Is one of those filters the solution? Yhx b
I had a (probably damaged) PC PSU once, it still worked (no blue screens or any other issues), but it produced a crazy high amount of DE (IIRC it was > 3000 on a GS meter, so at least 72000 mV). Working for 2-3 hours on that PC tired me and my wife out to a point where we needed a nap. After noticing that it affected her just as much as me, I investigated. Swapped the PSU and the problem was greatly reduced. With the new PSU, a single filter would significantly drop the remaining DE, to a point of removing the problem.
Very informative and disturbing video. Thanks. Could you not measure EMI and electrical induction with a multi meter though? Its crazy how much they charge for meters. I also bought an RF meter and even with router and such electronics off Im still measuring crazy RF in the house and bedrooms. I wonder if the meter is picking up some of the induced RF by the electrical wiring?
Thank you.
If you have nothing running at night or plugged into outlets, then is there a reason to use a filter?
Scotti, would you please include a link to the update after using the dirty metres? I scrolled through the videos but didn't see one.
I have problem with not smooth PC i put ferrites cores it helps a lot. Can I buy only one filter to my PC will it help?
Hi, thank you so much for your videos, they have been very informative. We have a question concerning the follow up video you had mentioned that you were going to do about the benefits after addressing your home or work area with dirty electricity filters. Were you able to do that? What were the benefits? Thank you so much
Unfortunately, I didn't notice any difference at all. Then again, I'm not terribly sensitive to EMF in general, so who knows...
@@ScottiesTech Thank you. I want to get grounding/earthing mat but watched a video showing how it may not work as well with dirty electricity, actually with dirty electricity it can be more harmful and that is why the filters were recommended. Do you have any thoughts on this? Thank you again
@@theresamichael5777 Not sure about D.E. + grounding mats, although I know grounding mats are tricky. Not only can noise expose you to more EMF instead of less, but grounding in general is really, REALLY difficult. What I mean is that if everything is great and the stars are aligned, your grounding mat can make you feel better (this I tried for awhile, and at first I slept better). Then 'something' changes, and POOF! You feel WORSE when using the grounding mat. I wish I could figure out the secret, because there must be one...
@@ScottiesTech oh really, wow, that is interesting….hmmm, I might have to rethink this then 😂 thanks so much
Dude fantastic! Does this mean that I should get a filter for each device or can I run a power strip on one filter?
Both may work, but you have to test with the meter and play around with moving filters to see what works best. There's no 'one size fits all' solution. Not to worry tho, becuz it's fun!
I just bought the Greenwave EMI meter, and one of the outlets in my apartment measured over 1000. I put in a filter that bought it down to the mid 800s. Should I be concerned?
"They may explode, they may work--we'll find out!" LMAO at this!!! 😆Had to stop video to laugh it out & recompose myself for the final minute of the video. Yes, FAFO is often how we learn about life. 😜 I'm _far_ less cavalier with electricity than you are, sir, but that's because I'm far less versed in it than other areas where I am much more of the "eh, I'll just do this thing in an extreme manner and find out what happens." LOL
I'm certainly grateful for folks like you who can provide top notch info and layman's explanation for the rest of us who don't know the ins & outs of this topic but are searching for the information to make our homes and daily lives less polluted by EMFs, chemical toxicants, and other things most folks never give a thought to because these things are just their norm. Thank you!!!😊
Bro. Super strong. Thank you
I have been using stetzerizers for years. Very good stuff. Thanks for this video, maybe my hubbie will get it, lol.
What is your report on them?
They do wonders for the dirty electricity, I have an older house with old wiring. I check the plugs, some over 800, then use the stetzerizers, then the total drops to 50 or below. With all the planes(Virginia Beach) and their disruption, at least my house and pet finches stay chill, I find we are not as jumpy, can handle more other stress, as opposed to being stressed for naught.
@@kathesanford3051 Thank you for sharing
Thank you
Top notch video man. I read a bunch of the book EMF*D by Dr. Mercola recently and I am doing research on these little devices now. Hella expensive little guys but hopefully they will bring some benefits.
Just curious, with incandescent light blubs is there a particular colour or level or brightness that is beneficial for heath. For example, is there a colour which would be appropriate for the bedroom, bathroom, kitchen and work/study room
Hi Scottie, and Cletus. I just remembered this video, watched again. It amazes me that this has been around us for so long and it's just been brought to our attention in the past, I think, 10 years or so. When we take into the issues with WIFI and Smart Meters, yikes. For so long I've felt safe with everything in my home grounded. I turned my WIFI on a few weeks ago, which is rare, and learned that I have two neighbors who's WIFI reaches into my home. I was diagnosed with ms about a month ago so now I want to protect myself more than ever. Scottie, do you know if the fabric shields that go around a bed, like a canopy, work? If you have any input I'd be very thankful.
Hi can you explain how you know your neighbor's wifi reaches your home?
I was looking at the reviews on Amazon and had a question about the bad reviews. I bought some for my house and according to the greenware meter it does reduce the dirty electricity. My question is does it increase the EMF throughout the house which we know is terrible for your health or is the EMF just confined around the filters. . I saw something that said not to stand within 2ft or sleep within 2 feet of the filters because they do emit EMF. Is the EMF greatly increase just around the outlet and suddenly dissipates or is there a larger emittion of EMF throughout the room?
I measured with my Cornet tri-field and I was surprised to find that within 1 ft of any filter, fields were higher (mostly magnetic). However, the same 'medium-low' level was also present around various other gizmos around the house. So, I think Greenwave's recommendation is correct: don't stick filters near your bed, for example... But the effect seems to be a bubble around the filter of about 1 ft. Beyond that, readings are green/low/safe everywhere else in the room.
Great video! Thank you for making it. I live in a mobile home and recently discovered I have aluminum wiring. Kinda scary. Can you tell me if these filters would work with aluminum wiring and if there is a difference in how dirty the electricity is in aluminum compared to copper? Many thanks.
They should work the same with aluminum wiring. Aluminum is a poorer conductor as compared to copper, but lighter. Other than that, everything as far as DE goes should be the same.
@@ScottiesTech It was very kind of you to get back to me. Thanks so much. Cheers!
Is there any reason you couldn't just install a cap(s) into the breaker panel? One cap per phase? or add a cap to each outlet? It would be a lot cheaper.
You can. Most recommendations I've read say to do what I did: install 1 filter on each phase at the panel. But then you test everywhere in the house and install extra filters where readings are high. It seems that putting the filters as close as possible to the source of the noise reduces readings everywhere much better than just sticking filter(s) only at the panel.
In essence what you have is an RC filter that shunts out RF frequencies that are well above the 50/60 hertz line power.
keep doing these videos your are so right
do you need both an EMI and EMF or RF meter
will negative ion generators help with dirty electricity side effects?
Is this the same tech as stopwatt? If i but stetzerizers in a 3000 sq ft home- how many do i need?
since greenwave also now has the Spectrum 2500-EF Filter designed for EU countries (schuko) do you think that USA to EU adapters which would be necessary for the original US filters, create certaiin types of noise themselves? Even if not EMI, do they increase electric fields or magnetic fields?
The plug adapters themselves shouldn't create any kind of noise or any additional electric or magnetic field.
thanks Scottie for the valuable infos i did watch both videos about dirty electricity . i have a question can i install filters on my solar inverter output? can i also use filters on my generator output? Thanks
No, using DE filters on a generator or solar inverter circuit will probably cause issues. Greenwave even updated their web site warning people about this after my video! I talk about that problem here: czcams.com/video/zgH_51KXA6o/video.html
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Thanks Scottie on the AC output of my solar system can i install the filters instead of plugging them in every room. Also can i build one that is larger in size ex 250 uf vs 10 25 uf? thanks for your help@@ScottiesTech
I just remembered this; when I was a teenager I had a friend who lived next to an electric tower. Every time they turned on their electric organ we could hear a radio station. I forgot all about that until now. The tower was right across the street from their home.
Also knew a neighbor who had a huge electrical tower, (that support giant lines). The previous owner got cancer and that is why he moved. When I talked to my neighbor, he also had cancer and was moving 🤔
Probably was a damaged filter component in the organ circuitry.
Does a voltage regulator do anything to reduce that capacitive coupling?
Given the voltage rating of the MKP62's EMI Filter, other than install safety pre-cautions, why not put an MKP62 across L1 & L2 terminals (each phase) to the main panel in a house? This would help filter dirty AC from the substation? Or DIY individual filter for each leg (hot to neutral). This as a whole house filter.
Ideally, that would work. But in practice, it doesn't... It helps, but it's kind of the starting point. Then you test around the house and find "islands" of D.E. where you add more filters. Noise is usually not easy to squash out.
@@ScottiesTech Seems a filter per leg tied across neutral would cover the whole thing. Yes, agree with you, still have to mitigate internal sources.
Merci beaucoup! In which area do you live in Fr? What filter do you use for thise famous L*n*y filters?
Can these be used to reduce noise in audio equipment.
Would this help when I’m using a backup generator in a power outage in the United States?
NO! Don't use DE filters on generator power. They will cause the genny to 'overload' and shut down.
I'd like to reccomend The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg also if you're interested in the effects of electricity in its many various permutations.
He has done a review on that book in one of his videos.
im short on plugs does it work if i plug it into power strip or does it have to be directly in the wall plug ?
Yes, you can plug it into a power strip.
I have dirty electricity coming from my computer monitor. Are there any computer brands or models that have lower emission? I guess it's from whatever transforms the current downward for the LED's. Any way to fix this? Thank you.
Not that I'm aware of, but the problem should be fixable with a DE filter (or two).
I can across this video initially looking for a cheaper low noise solution for my hifi audio system, not knowing health issues caused by dirty electricity. 'Im definitely going to buy multiple filters for my house. But I have a question, is there any reason I cannot plug a power strip into one of these filter? Will it work ? Does it become less effective? Thanks in advance !
Power strips are fine.
Man,, I speak English but that went right over my head.
I was watching to see how to make generator electrical clean.
Think we just won't run any sensitive things when we need a generator.
Thanks though.
What tips would you suggest for home? Unplugging appliances and computers when not in use? Turning off wifi at night?
It's pretty inconvenient to plug/unplug everything all the time. So what I do is: No WiFi (I use Ethernet everywhere unless I REALLY need the WiFi, which only gets turned on for 5-10 minutes while I use it). I always unplug smaller appliances... like why leave your smartphone charger plugged into the wall socket when it's not charging anything? No mobile phones inside the house - this works for me anyway since reception inside is pretty much crap due to very thick walls and living in a rural area. Nearest neighbor doesn't even have internet, so no WiFi there either. And then I use the D.E. filters to kill the noise. Works pretty well!
@@ScottiesTechdo you have emf/electric sensitivity? Did filters help?
I been having static electricity inside the apartment and ringing ear and I notice that the lights blinks .
My solar generation uses a microinverter on each panel to convert panel output to AC and then send it to my home for use. Soe of this ac charges batteries which ultimately will be called upon to run my house (after reconversion to ac of course). I am guessing that, since the generated ac is distinct from the grid, it is "clean(er)", but what about that converted from my batteries?
You really have to test everything. Very often, inverters (AC->DC) are noisy. But ultimately, it depends on how all the noise sources interact with each other. You can do filters at the grid entrance to your home, but that's rarely enough to eliminate this kind of noise.
Thanks, most interesting. I'm on solar power, with a 350watt pure sine wave inverter. This is only active for fairly short periods of time, so am I right in assuming that dirty electricity would not be an issue? But I know of other vans that have 3000watt inverter, so could that change the scenario? You're always most interesting and helpful thanks.
I'm not sure, but usually even the 'pure sine wave' inverters create lots of DE. That's what I've read anyway, but I've never actually had the opportunity to check it out myself!
you're spot on, @Gönndalf -- that's also on one of my points for tinkering around with a "second system" of DC low-voltage stuff on top of existing household systems [mentioned in my other post under this video]; and even more so if we appear to be talking RVs and boats etc here. Going "direct-Direct Current" ;)) doesn't only cut most onboard sources of DE but would also increase available capacity from your batteries by as much as 4% to 8% per leg (i e double that when first converting up and then down again in power brick)! This is how much even "modern" varistor-based inverters and transformers eat off your battery bank or any other load...
@Allegro Sotto This is a good presentation, with focus on solar for you. czcams.com/video/18qneiDgR1E/video.html
@Gönndalf I understand your point, but there are a couple of applications for which there's no alternative.
@@ScottiesTech Thanks, I'm curious now so Will investigate further.
Good information - thanks for posting. However, don't the plug-in filters create magnetic fields? And couldn't they cause coupling depending on where they are placed?
Yes, because then you have "noisy current". But when I tested the filters with my EMF meter (magnetic field mode), the field was very low unless you were within 6" of the thing. Within 6", it was 'medium-danger' level.
Thanks so much for the reply. I'm still on the fence with these filters after watching Michael Neuert's take on them, and your statement that, 'if' your home's wiring is correct, it shouldn't be an issue, but how to know? We built some 23 years ago...@@ScottiesTech
@@AJ_411 Well, I dunno. If your house wiring is okay (it probably is unless the builders were cutting corners), then that minimizes certain kinds of EMF. But D.E. is usually ALWAYS there AFAIK, simply becuz of the gizmos we all plug in to our (good or bad) house wiring. And then there's GHz wireless stuff (Bluetooth, WiFi, 3/4/5G, and so on). Personally, I tried the D.E. filters and noticed no real difference, but whatever. I do avoid the higher-frequency wireless stuff becuz I've read more stuff on how that might not be so good for us. For D.E., IMO the jury is still out. I'm sure we adapt to our EMF soup, so some people are affected more than others. But how much? And who?! And which type of EMF is worst, or are all of them bad, and/or how to different sources of EMF interacting with each other (and our bodies) change things? There are just too many darn questions, and alas I don't have many answers. I just test different things and see what happens next!
My.lennox heater won't ignite people say.i need a capacitor in line to my.main power coming in, will this fix it!! Thank you dec 1 23
I don't think so... Usually 'sparkers' generate much-higher-than-line voltage in order to spark at all. Could need cleaning, a new sparker gizmo, or it might be some kind of wiring/electronics issue.
Ok, it's early in the video, but I would like to run a new, forced air, natural gas furnace with a generator. What type of generator will I be needing? I plan to wire the furnace to go straight to the generator. Thank you for your time!
You'd just need to know the max electrical power used by the furnace. Since it's natural gas, it's probably only fan power + control electronics (aka not much). Then size your generator so it has a rated continuous power output at least double what the furnace needs. And preferably, get a good generator (as in "pure sine wave"). Many cheaper generators warn you not to use them to drive 'sensitive electronics'. IOW, they produce 'dirty' power. You COULD probably get away with a cheaper generator, but if you're gonna get one, might as well get one that's better and that has a little extra capacity to power anything else you might want to add later.
So, the dirty power is not coming from the grid, and/or it is being created in the house? I would have to assume that there is no house level cleaner because we are creating it in the house.
So would these filters clean up a generator power supply? a regular generator as to a inverter generator?
NO! I discovered this the hard way: czcams.com/video/zgH_51KXA6o/video.html
Ah, silly me. I edited my comment to include a link, and naturally CZcams deleted the whole comment :D. Anyway, I have both the Greenwave Broadband EMI meter, and the Stetzerizer Microsurge meter, and they're both very useful. The Greenwave meter measures dirty electricity in mV, and has a speaker for an audible representation of the 'noise'. The Stetzerizer Microsurge meter is the OG meter, which was used in a lot of the early dirty electricity studies, and measures in its own units, the GS [Graham/Stetzer] unit, which uses a bit more mathematics and I believe takes frequency more into account.
I personally tend to use the Greenwave more often, and use the Stetzerizer for secondary measurements. The speaker is an extremely useful monitoring tool, and gives a lot more meaning to the mV readings, especially for diagnosing an issue. However, it's important to note that a lot of the measurements made in the original research studies were made in the Stetzerizer's GS units. While it's a fair approximation to aim for similar 'values' on the Greenwave meter, it may be a factor that makes someone opt for the Stetzerizer meter instead.
Another major thing to take into account - the Greenwave meter measures over a much wider bandwidth (3 kHz up to 10MHz), while the Stetzerizer meter is focused on what they believe to be the more biologically active range of 10 kHz to 100 kHz. This just means that each meter can give slightly different results on the same circuit depending on the noise characteristics. Does it make one better than the other? I'd be lying if I said I knew for sure!
For those interested, a link to the patent for the Stetzerizer Microsurge meter is on stetzerelectric[.]com/store/microsurge-meter/ ~ text search for U.S. Patent #6,914,435
Hi Scottie, I watched with great interest your presentation. I built myself some filters, using only 2,2 uF capacitors and I wonder if you measured, eventually, that voltage with the noise-meter device. Can you tell me how much milivolts showed in your case ? (with the filter you presented) - in your other video, you measured 41 mV ... and I presume is the same as with the original filter ?
I had 150-300 in most places. One room was 700 (without filters)! With filters, everything was between 20-40mV.
@@ScottiesTech thank you very much for your quick answer. My filter used at 220Vac network is making about 21 to 26 mV reduction. I used a modified schematics and if you wish to see it, I can send you a link on a FIY forum (Do It Yourself)
www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/diy-emi-filter-for-power-supply.391454/
@@CristianMuresanu Yes, please!!! Thanks.
@@ScottiesTech I also tried several types of coils and capacitors ... and I also added multiple parallel capacitors of 1/10 from each. So, the 100 nF has in parallel 10 nF with 1nF and with 100 pF ... and so one. There are theories which suggest that as the capacitance get higher, its then they cannot filter above 100kHz ... (choosing 10 microF), so you add in parallel 100 nF which can filter up to 10 Mhz and then you add 10 nF which can filter up to 1Ghz ... here is an example passive-components.eu/choosing-of-right-blocking-capacitors/
After a bit of research into AC line EMI I came across something similar called an AC line conditioner. It seems they are popular with the audio community. I understand how a capacitor acts as filter to clean up power. Is it really that simple? The AC line conditioner has something that is missing in the Stetzerizer filter called a common mode choke and in some cases two additional single chokes. Can this be incorporated in your design in some way? I'm not exactly sure how and where these components can be most effective. I would much rather install one large unit at the source than have a bunch scattered around the house.
It seems that one big filter at the input to the house is less effective than smaller filters scattered around. That's what they say, and that was also my experience. I THINK the DE filters are only a cap because it's filtering differential mode noise (noise on one wire) instead of common mode noise (same noise on both wires that passes thru the ground wire). For audio purposes, the common mode filter would be better as I understand things. There's a handy PDF I found that explains this stuff pretty well: www.x2y.com/appnotes/emi/2001.pdf
@@ScottiesTech I think it's starting to make more sense to me now. It seems the capacitor types and ratings are what's important. The voltage and capacitance I understand, it's the ESR rating that's new to me. Like how ultra low ESR capacitors in drones help with filtering video transmission noise caused by the ESCs. I wonder if that would make a difference?
@@saifcathum3423 ESR and ESL are just equivalent series resistance/inductance - IOW, a cap isn't just a capacitance; it's also a resistance and inductance. Usually this doesn't matter so much until you're dealing with super-high frequencies. For example, when you buy a polypropylene film X2 cap, even all the data sheets just say 'super-low ESR!' without giving a value. For little teeny chip capacitors for GHz-freq circuits, then they give ESR/ESL cuz it matters much more. At very high frequencies, even the traces on the circuit board matter and must be modeled and EMI tested. It's an ultra-hairy job cuz you get all sorts of weird behavior, noise, etc. and you think it's your circuit design, but alas no, it's the actual traces on the PCB routed poorly! Nutty stuff. For DE, the particular size/type of cap just seems to be chosen to filter the medium-range frequencies of about 2-150kHz. The X2 EMI (line-line) caps are also chosen because they fail safely across 120/230Vac. They tend to be "self-healing" to some extent, and when they fail, they just short line/neutral - which trips the breaker and you're done... no exploding or fire hazard. Which is nice!
@ScottiesTech and what about using both whole house inline filter with the stetzers?
I wonder whether it would make more sense to put some kind of 50Hz stabilizer before your electric switch board instead of those 10-15 Stetzer filters on each outlet. Or it doesn't work that way?
I put 1 filter on each phase at my breaker panel to start with. That seems to block more noise from the rest of the the electrical network, but the caps in the filters buzz wildly until I add more filters in the noisiest rooms.
Is there a whole home solution. We live in Indonesia and the power grid power is very dirty and destroys electrical appliances often with surges. Are we talking about the same thing here?
@@johnmcmanamon3930 I think what you are talking about are voltage overloads, where the system gives out more than 220 V and home appliances "burn". What I am talking about are the Herz, which the appliances "like" to have 50 of (hence the note on the back of the appliance, saying 50/60 Hz or so). Those are different things but both lead to more or less rapid fail of electric appliances (faster with high V and less quick with unstable Hz).
Hey we have alot of dirty electricity in our home im sure of it.. the problem is i dont know where to put the filters if u wanna use that wall socket, it will take up its space or am i stupid? And we live in a 90 square meters home how many would i neee, we have 4-5 computers and a few televisions
You can plug filters into power strips instead of directly in the power outlet. I even plugged some into the back of some UPSes (puter battery backups). You can probably get a big reduction with maybe 10 filters, but you'll really have to use the DE meter and test everywhere. Then install filters, test again, and maybe move filters around. Then test again... It's a bit tedious, but it works!
Can you use an AM radio off tune to find where most noise comes from?.
Yeah, you can... But I've never tried it myself!
Could you show us under a scope how it looks like?
Didn't think a harmonic of a few volts could effect people that way from a few metres away. Maybe if it were in the audible range, but how can non-ionising radiation cause cancer?
I've read several papers that involve calcium ion channels in cells or something like that. Honestly, I don't understand the biology part, so I just go with the more epidemiological approach: Problem -> Analysis -> Theory -> Solution. If it works repeatedly, then I guess things are more complicated than I first assumed. That's the way I look at it, anyway.
Couldn't you just beef up the consept of the circuit and install it in the breaker box/load center of the house?
I suspect my 40amp charge controller and 3000w inverter in my very modest 4 panel 100w each solar system are DE suspects. How would a filter be used on a charge controller when it receives the DC from the panels and regulates it to the 3, 100ah in parallel batteries?
It should be the inverter created the most noise. I'm really not sure how to suppress that noise though, as inverters are basically noise machines. The charge controller shouldn't produce much noise at all since it's mostly DC.
@@ScottiesTech when I shut off the DC feed from the panels to controller RFI on my ham radio ceases or when it's night and no dc is being generated by the panels it ceases. I'm trying various mixes of ferrite beads and chokes and have inconclusive results. Thanks
hey bud! Will an Online UPS solve some buzzing issues in my home studio? Thanks
It can help, yes. What I usually do is put everything on a UPS. That isolates everything from the grid. Then, if you're using things like a mixer + XLR cables, be VERY careful with cable routing. I've seen nasty buzzing when a DC laptop power cable was running parallel + too close to an XLR mic cable. Sometimes, it takes very little to generate really annoying noise. Re-arrange cables, and poof: no more buzzing.
You got me thinking about my solar collectors on my roof. Each panel has a micro inverter that synchronises to the power grid frequency. These inverters are sophisticated such that they can compensate for some pretty gnarly power conditions. They compensate for 100 -1000 times the fundamental (60Hz). Can they smooth out repetitive noise through feed forward techniques? Can they do the work of the compensating capacitors sometimes placed on the power lines to correct for the "power factor" problems caused by large motors and the like? Do the inverters try to clean-up the grid line power noise? If not, why not?
Those invertors do have a power factor correction circuits in them and do an amazing job tracking the grid frequency in order to correct their power delivery. However, power correction and frequency tracking circuits does not smooth out any noise, just the opposite. A power correction circuit uses a switch (MOSFET transistor) to short an inductor, part of the converter, to the power lines with fairly high frequency. That introduces more noise to the grid, even though, there is an EMI filter at the input of your converters. Those filters suppress incoming and outgoing EMI but does not eliminate it.
The capacitor filters shown in this video won't help you with anything. It's an old scam, along with those noise detectors.
Not all humans are sensitive to EMI. In fact only few are. If you are certain you are one of them, you need custom 3rd. order L-C filters and metal shielding for all of your electronic devices to help with EMI. And even that can't eliminate them completely. So no point wasting your energy with this.
Hey Scottie. I've noticed that EMF is frequently being grouped together in the dirty electricity category. As I understand EMF is the effect of electricity passing through a conductor, and is not cancelled by an opposing field. In this video you state that dirty electricity is caused by high frequency transients, caused by the technology used to convert AC to DC, dimmers, and inverters. So to clarify, it appears that the dirty electricity filters can address the high frequency transients, but not the EMF, and to address EMF issues you would need to correct improper wiring in your home...is this correct? And thank you!
More or less, yeah. The problem with D.E. filters (as far as I understand it) is that technically, they reduce D.E., which reduces the noise that capacitively couples to the human body. BUT, the drawback is that they result in noisy current, which creates noisy EMF, which can also be bad. Now, where it gets even more hairy is that I tested the EMF difference with and without a D.E. filter at home, and there was no real discernible difference. Then again, some studies show that teeny-tiny EMF (esp. pulsed GHz digital signals) can still have negative effects on the human body - and even then, it appears to vary from person to person. So, it's really quite insanely complicated... I've known people who just turned off the WiFi, and boom - their health problem stopped. And then I've known people who needed the D.E. filters, but WiFi didn't matter! The real problem is that - assuming there ARE health effects from all this stuff - we'd need a serious, broad, multi-discipline study where everyone actually works together. Then we might get somewhere and have actual answers. Until that happens, well... use what works!
good info but why not just add Capacitor bank in your home?
Guys, I'm not very good at English, so could someone answer me, if I buy these things and plug them in, is it forever? or I put ate "clean" it.
Hey Scottie,
Looking at your schematic at 17 mins in I do think there should be circuit protection (a fuse) in the live feed where it goes out to the 3 big capacitors (and 2 resistors) because if one of those caps goes short circuit it may burn up or even catch fire if the only protection is back at the consumer unit which (in the UK) will be 32amps MCB (for a ring main feeding sockets) or 20amps MCB (for a radial circuit feeding sockets). This means up to 8 Kilowatts or 5 Kilowatts respectively which will be easily enough to burn up the capacitors and start a fire (depending on the characteristic of the short circuit and how quickly it would trip the MCB).
I say this with more confidence because when I opened up a EMF protection brand dirty elec filter (here in the UK) that had stopped working (the only way to tell it had stopped working was that it had stopped getting warm from the discharge resistor inside- theres no indicator light which I find disappointing and (IMO) general low quality inside too)- anyway that brand has a little surface mount PCB fuse rated at 4 amps- which had blown. It also had a thermal fuse on the neutral side rated at 135 degrees C, (which was fine). So I replaced the surface mount fuse with a wired in 20mm fuse holder in which I installed a 5 amp fuse. So these guys do bother with circuit protection so perhaps you should too? By the way I also installed a neon indicator on the load side of both the current and thermal fuses so if either blow again I will know straightaway.
LASTLY SCOTTIE I DIDN'T WANT TO NIT PICK- I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR CARE & GREAT VIDEOS.
Yeah, it's not a bad idea to include fuses. Everyone relies on the fact that when those caps fail, they SHOULD fail open circuit. But we all know how that goes! :P
What products do you have? I’m based in the uk and would like to reduce dirty electricity from solar panels
@@DinaParmar1 I am using 'EMF Protection' (company) filters. They're a lot better than nothing but I've opened a couple & not that impressed with the quality. And the capacitance is only 10uF whereas Scottie is recommending 25uF. They also contain a surge suppressor & circuit protection (fuses- not replaceable without special tools). However the EMF protection DE filters are suitable for a UK socket and were easy to get in the UK. Some £30 each. I use 2 so get 20uF capacitance. But Scottie is recommending using several filters with 25uF in each. So I am only getting nominal DE protection. If you watch his video from 10 mins in he talks about greenwave and Stetzerizer filters as good but there may be issues with availabilty in the UK also cost. Watch all his video focussing most on the bit from 10 mins in. Hope this helps.
@@tonyharvey4569 hi there thsnk you so much for your reply. We have quite a lot of solar panels and I’m concerned about the impact it can have on health. I’ve come across green wave would I need one in each room? I’ve heard from an emf specialist in the UK that Stetzerizer can cause surges and fires which is why I’m quite hesitant about the plug in de filters. There’s some which can be used fi be plugged directly into the main unit but not sure how safe these actually are
@@tonyharvey4569 do you have solar panels?
If the appliances cause the dirty noise on the electricity. Then having a plug with a dirty filter built in to fit to the offending appliance would seem to be the way to go. Even better. If you’re building your own, then you could customise the filter on each filtering plug to suit that appliance. Or if you’re a manufacturer, you could do a range of plugs with varying filtering strengths. Actually, maybe you could just put the filter in the lead of the appliance?
Not all switching power supplies are like that. The cheap/bad ones are the problem, unfortunately that are basically the only ones we get. Even in overpriced electronic there are cheap switching power supplies.
Are they also ones for the electrical cabinet?
That would be one thing the government could easily change to improve our health. ... instead of stamping on our rights.