In Quest of a Multipolar Economic World Order with Michael Hudson and Pepe Escobar
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- In this second round of conversation, Professor Michael Hudson and Pepe Escobar discuss the emerging economic world order which they define not so much as a conflict between nations, but a rivalry between two competing models of the economy. The finance capital driven model of the West with a domination of the FIRE sector, versus the mixed economy model represented by China and Russia which seeks to rein in rent seeking, combined with public banking and state funded infrastructure to support market compliant industrial development. In Professor Hudson’s view, this model was advocated by classical economists, from Mill, Ricardo, to Henry George; and is largely responsible for the West’s past successes.
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Prof. Michael Hudson is probably the greatest economic thinker of our time.
I can’t believe this was recorded 11 months back. This is so on point with everything that is happening right now with Ukraine and real time alignment of multipolar world. Pepe and Michale are geniuses for predicting all this for years now.
It's not about be a genius, it's about observing the reality through primary sources rather than through a colonial interpretation.
Lots of people realised what is up so that's why the panic now.
9 more months have passed and look how wrong you were.
Lol. Everyone who promulgates the "multipolar world" is an evil savage.
Incredible conversation! Thanks a lot Professor Michele Hanson and Pepe Escobar 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤
Dear Pepe Escobar, what a pride to see you on this channel wtih Michael Hudson! I'm brazilian but I live in Japan for 23 years, so I follow you in geopolitics at Asia Ttimes.
hum. rs
Stay there in Japan, be away of Brazil because you're useless...
excellent and informative....2 thumbs up for Pepe and Michael !
Michael yes... Pepe no...
Mind-blowingly fascinating conversation. Thank you
Damn, I've never heard explain Bretton Woods that way...
It is very encouraging to hear that president Lula is an outstanding negotiator. The world needs him to be that.
Always a pleasure to hear
Dr. Hudson speak and explain how economics really works.
Milton Friedman the guru of renter neoliberalism said "The only responsibility of business is to maximise profits regardless of social (which encompasses the environment) costs." He was awarded a noble prize for his terror - con-nomics.
Nobel Prize has been corrupt since Obama was given the Peace Award for only a speech before he became President then allowed the banks that caused the theft of money from the middle class. The youth know the truth so they believe no difference from the two political parties in the USA with youth not afraid of socialism believe that Capitalism is destructive of the planet with the oligarchs destruction of the planet.
He was an idiot.
Nobel Prize lost legitimacy when Obama given a Peace prize for only speech in Cairo before he was President having done nothing. I always question the "system" because a teenager should be able to understand real economics if they weren't sheep.
excellent discussion given where we are currently would be really great to get these two great thinkers back for a update
2 hours! I thought I would have to split it but started at 6am GMT and could not stop listening till the end.
Two very knowledgeable persons sharing their experiences and knowledge on how the world has been operating under the American corrupt order (shrinking) and the challenges offered by the new emerging world order, represented by China, Russia and Iran (expanding).
Hope that the new world will prevail, bringing more equitable social and economic development for the world - three cheers to China, Russia and Iran👏👏👏👍👍👍
Mr Hudson is just such a hero. I'm interested to know what really motivates him to keep doing this for very little reward?
He is a fervent 'ersatz' religion beliver that thinks this big state is wrong, unlike his vision of the big state. Aka real coomunism hasn't been tried before
@@matplot6170 Oof, no. If anything he's saying real _capitalism_ (ie industrial/productive capitalism free from dominion of finance capital which is all overhead/unproductive) hasn't been "tried before", or more precisely the historical materialist progression of industrial capitalism that brings about the material conditions and class consciousness required to completely supplant the circumstantial power disparities generated by prior modes of production (like landlords from feudalism) inherently as a result of the foundational material organization/power dynamics has been captured by an updated/lingering rentier class in the form of the FIRE sector (finance, insurance, real estate - all profit from rent extraction, finance in particular has _massive_ leverage through dollar hegemony maintained by imperialism - this is explained in Superimperialism in more depth), very basically a cannibalizing of the commons for private profit.
As Michael often points out, _every_ classical economist, including Adam Smith himself, but also folks like John Stuart Mill, David Ricardo, Lassalle, et al., had this conception of historical progression and importantly the conception of capitalism as the vector of productive social transformation away from the vestiges of feudal social relationships like landlords which merely seek rent, ie extract value without producing value. Marx being of of the last classical economists and in extending basically everything Smith said (systemic falling rate of profit, highlighting the rent extraction inherent to the capital/labor class dynamic itself in the form of surplus value) and outlining further its logical conclusion, neoclassical (neoliberal) economics was born to justify oligarchical rule, particularly by disconnecting all historical context and relying on a myopic focus to maximize certain contrived functions (eg. "efficiency" in neoclassical econ is simply capital accumulation but carries with it a social connotation that appeals to the default liberal ideology emerging from the enlightenment, namely a false notion that "rationality" can be objective or systematized - a bastardization of Kant essentially ) to legitimize the "divine right of the rentier class".
_"Kelp was never augmented by human industry. The landlord, however, whose estate is bounded by a kelp shore of this kind, demands a rent for it."_ - Ch.11 Wealth of Nations
Anyway, I guess the point is if you actually listen to him instead of trying to jam him into a preconfigured category...he makes all this stuff pretty clear.
As for reward ... The fact it's on CZcams is not enough? Yet u want dimes and cents
truth is its own reward
He's a consultant to governments... Does that sound like he gets no reward?
I couldn't fall asleep and checked what time it is - 4:15am. Open YT and this appeared as a suggestion. I'm glad I played this video. You helped me have a better, much clearer understanding of what is happening on the financial side. I've decided I will stop paying my credit card debt since I don't have any assets anyways. Lol thanks guys
I have advocated everyone to default on credit cards since they stole the wealth of middle class that caused the financial crisis in 2008! Michael Hudson has written the book that this historian learned in 1972. It was obvious to me at 22. Wall Street is a Ponzi scheme received a business computer system analysis education in 1984 becoming more clear to me when I watched the lier loans on real estate before the crash of 2008 . The population of the USA told the Congress not to bail out Wall Street but Congress did the opposite of what the entire population had notified every Congress person thus was obvious that 🇺🇸was Never a democracy only an oligarchy that has no right to complain about Russia or China ! Hippocrates thus now teach the truth to youth!
So enlightening
A year has gone by and look how wrong these tankies were.
Thank you for giving us the full hoorror of people who are no longer able to think and are now so consumed by a state of rage that all desperate measures to stop them now have to be considered.
Exceptionnel, brillant analyses!
Brilliant guys just brilliant!!
God bless!
„It’s our currency, but it’s your problem.“
- John Connally -
My Brother & Father!! Love & Brains both
Amazing! Tough times but hopeful. Loved the questions.
A year has passed and look how wrong you were.
Outstanding, Thank You!!!!!!!
Thanks guys!
Who is here after hearing Pepe and Andre on Gonzalo round table. Muito Obrigado Pepe
I wonder if Hudson ever gets tired of repeating over and over what should be common knowledge.
Não se cansa, nem se pode cansar (mesmo aos 82 anos), só a pertinência e repetição poderão ter efeitos, porque se não for deste modo a vassoura do esquecimento é rápida no seu movimento.
But it isn't common knowledge. Not in America.
What are you talking about "common knowledge"??? Very few understand of what he speaks ... and the global elite would much like to keep it that way ...
@@langlymcmanus1194 my guess, what Hudson patiently repeated over and over again is so obvious, should be common knowledge. The pathetic fact that many people’s fooled does not justify the current situation a tiny bit. Regardless of what we have now, we should make what Hudson said widely and commonly known.
@@wadaries the man has worked for many world governments including china and studied economic history ... he unequivocally understands economics at a 1% level ... so anyone that doesn't understand this is a certainly not a mental genius. Has anyone told kitty kat to blast off yet?
Maricopa re-audit required due to so many "anomalies" lol ... the shit is about to hit the fan for the wokies .... haha haha
Thank you for this video!!!
Just yesterday, the Henry George school cohosted an exciting, well attended, celebratory presentation, regarding Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany’s new Land Value Taxation, breakthrough. A truly progressive and a remarkable accomplishment.
Giving failing state more resources, what an accomplishment
@@matplot6170 The state fails because the rentier class wants it that way. Maximizes their profit, and you and I suffer.
This video should have 10 billion views....
Why would an anti US pro communist socialist tankie channel have that many views?
Thank you Baltimore, Flint,texas. Imagination, Now is the time!!!
What?
Amazing to listen to this 2 years on. Still on point, but racing towards a catastrophic panic by the West .
Yeah, Hudson basically foretold the Ukraine conflict in advance. Mearsheimer did, too, but not with the same level of economic detail.
thank you for the brilliant conversation! ☮
Fascinating talk. More and more you realize that an American pogrom might be necessary...
Thanks for this one
Classic economy : the mother (the governer of the house) provudes basic needs for free: healthcare, education, care for the old, distribution of food and heat. The father (the governer of the community) provides resources needed for the house + possibly some of the «wants» (the luxury) if he works hard.
In the picture at the start Showing USA, England, EU, Japan and China... What about Africa, Middle East, Central and South America, India, Russia, Iran, Australia etc????
Seeing from the future you were predicting everything wright from the start
Pepe Escobar thinks a lot for brilliant analysis as usual ❤
No he's a tankie.
@@beastmode8203 So?
Escobar and Hudson, is this heaven?
I mean if you're a tankie.
Listen, I don't take away any of the wrongdoings of the two last governments, Temer's and Bolsonaro's, but to say there is a war on labor SINCE 2016's coup is a gross understatement. Dilma's government was already waging this war by and large, and its economic policies were not unlike what is taking place now.
Thank you so kindly for the distinctions of the names and vilification of various banking systems!!!
Rents (profits) cannot be taxed (cost). Profits flow up, costs flow down.
I think in the future America will be seen as an extension of the British empire. Before long term revision back to Asian dominance which has existed at least since Egypt. Europe and America was always an abberation.
Dream on.
The problem with the current empire is that they have the power to end this world so there may not be any future after it
@@1000xtati America is also the only country which has used nuclear weapons. I believe when their crown starts slipping and they are backed into a corner. That they might thrash out.
Is that the lie you tell yourself? Hope you're ready for Thucydide's trap it's going to be one hell of a show ☢️
@BEAST MODE You do realise that if the US launches nuclear weapons then China and Russia will do the same. Have you heard the term mutual destruction? The US dominated world only has about 5 years remaining before the BRICs run the show....and the WEF, OECD and Financial Times are all describing it. I don't find the end of American hegemony particularly appealing, but unfortunately I think it's becoming inevitable....like have you visited the average US city? There is a feeling of endemic doom and hopelessness. The Chinese are in contrast pursuing dominance in ever sphere of influence in the Middle East, and Africa and winning.
Incredible view here in, fasten your seatbelts...!!!!!
Gwyn Williams. Michael/Pepe, super debate/analysis. Can´t help feeling nervous at the PRC acceding to the US/WTO demands that it open up it´s financial markets to Western capital. Am I right to feel nervous ?
Talk about hard to find information!
Hudson drops some important profundities around 21 minutes in.
33:00 also
Damn...Michael Hudson is smart....
Only strikes can conquer masters. If there is no packing transporting shipping of raw materiala,services
Hello
Social services are just Shared Services based on the principle of efficiencies from scale.
Greece is utterly devastated. The young had to flee and serve as cheap resources in foreign markets, sending home remittances. All of Eastern Europe has experienced an utter brain drain. No more innovation and progress, just borrowed money and rent paying. Empire=Rent based Economy, or degree slavery where colonies need to work for less than market value. Combined with an exponential interest effect the colonies will always be completely drained of all resources, without having any means to build their own productive=innovative socioeconomic structure.
OUT OF OUR HANDS. 4/29/22
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I can't figure out what Michael was talking about at 1:32.45 as to why they hate Russia. I can't understand what he's saying.
Amazing 👏 thanks from New Zealand
Thank you ❤guys, for a very empathetic and comprehensive
information, history
and comparative discussions about banks, systems and economics.
I'm curious how Bretton Woods came about and what was its relationship with the. founding of the new year America?
I think Pres Xi stays faithful to Mao's revolutionary tenets for modern China without the propaganda, slogans and Communist ideological rants. Xi speaks ofao with respect: he refers to the the significance of culture in the continuous revolution Chinese and he writes about his thoughts in the evolution of China and his vision of a future China with the China dream.
Pres Xi réiterates that China is a socialist country with Chinese characteristics... that is, China is lead by the Chinese Communist Party that won the civil war and evicted the genies in 1945. China is thhus a democratic country with a 192 elected members of the One Party, I 9 nominated and elected Polit bureau and led by their internnally elected President every five years. China has had a metitocratic system since they started the Imperial Examinations 2000 - 5000 B. C. In the west we have a donné person One vote. Every 4 years I vote for someone to be the PM and someone to be the Local councillor. I vote quite blindly o often not knowing who I was voting for. In China, they have the young com munists cadres, je Who, at that like the Scouts and Brownies, Iearn about communal life, serving the people, but the masses and the Party and country. the Chinese They grow up and when they're ready to be
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Geopolitical porn.
Those two hours flew by fast!
Pepe Escobar and Michael Hudson compliment each other perfectly.
LOL!
@1:24:00 right, political and police power is too strong for piecemeal reformers. We could run local Gesell currencies and land tax reforms, because on a local level a strong enough people's movement could control the legislature, but then the Feds will kick your doors down. The only answer it seems to me (for rapid enough reforms) is a massive giant humongous mass social movement, so that when the Feds come in they would have to commit mass murder to prevent the local state from implementing job guarantees and local currency backed reforms. Texas cannot secede because they're already near peak privatized neoliberal weak-statism, so they'd likely soon collapse from Hunger Games dynamics, the private sector cannot guarantee full employment in a state currency system, that's the bottom line.
Very serious...
Procuro ajuda pra fazer uma legenda para esse vídeo e lançar para o público brasileiro. Alguém?
Oi! eu posso ajudar!
@@anandapliopas8189 Oi Amanda. Entra em contato comigo pelo facebook:
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Ou se preferir outra plataforma, diga ai qual.
@@edsoneu1707 Te mandei mensagem la no face.
Economic inequality, every pennie of a Billionaries fortune is a pennie not paid to Labor
How do we celebrate May Day 2021 when it confronts us with major losses and defeats for the US working class?
The minimum wage ($7.25 per hour) remains one of the developed world’s lowest. Capitalists and their allies have blocked raising it to $15 per hour. Amazon workers voted against unionization in Alabama. Many millions of Americans remain unemployed or have recently left the labor force. Accumulated unpaid rents threaten to explode an already massive homeless problem. The US failed to prepare for or contain Covid-19: we have 4% of the world’s people, yet 20% of the world’s Covid-19 deaths. During a year of pandemic, the rich got much richer while most workers suffered losses in income, wealth, security, and quality of life.
As always, working class leaders and militants saw and fought those losses and defeats. They targeted a higher minimum wage, more and safer jobs in a Green New Deal, better pay, affordable housing, medicare for all, and so on. But these militants and leaders are also rethinking strategy by posing some basic questions. Do we keep trying to improve lives within a system that so badly mistreats and disrespects working people? Or should we face that the system (employer vs employee, i.e., capitalism) is the problem and that system change is key to any real, durable solution?
May Day originated to honor the Haymarket Affair in 1886 in Chicago. The working class then combined a struggle for the 8-hour workday with a struggle for change beyond capitalism. Too often since, those two kinds of struggles have not been combined. Distrust, suspicion, and government repression kept them apart.
This “old” problem is more urgent now than ever. The solution is that we must do both. We must strive to improve lives here and now and organize for system change. Either without the other was and is a recipe for failure.
The best way to honor May Day in 2021 is to affirm and commit to recombining the goal of better working conditions with the goal of moving beyond the capitalist system.
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Joint venture is to me a good way forward. No investment in my country without joint venture !
But, What about the Political Security Situations ? 🤔
9:03 👍👍👍
Nothing at all said about what the impact will be to the local residents only that’s it’s going to be big😢
brilliance of spoken truth!!
6 months have passed and look how wrong they were
Great discussion folks. In other words, buckle up buttercup, the next decade will be a doozy
One year has gone by how does it feel to know they were wrong.
Trump (via his bully tactics upon Fed chairman Powell) has lowered interest rates so low as to create the same type of housing bubble that we saw under President W Bush ~15 years earlier. The people who really suffer from the inflation made worse by Trump is the retired/elderly, who are on a fixed income. Inflation rises & rises, yet their income stays the same.
Hudson dismissed the argument that change can be initiated locally by arguing that aggrieved capitalists would counter attack local co-op banking initiatives using federal law.
How fully have State/Federal jurisdictional boundaries been explored?
For example, could a State declare an economic sector not-for-profit eg childcare. And raise State taxes to make commercial exploitation for profit in that sector uneconomic. Would doing so make space for cities, State wide, to implement local non profit childcare solutions.
I think its possible, makes perfect sense to me.
cant scud the hud!!
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HOW DOES THE SUBSTITUTION OF MANPOWER BY ROBOTS AFFECT THE DREAMS OF GREAT JOBS RETURNING WITH RE-INDUSTRIALIZATION? IN THE END, WILL THE ECONOMY BE A SERVICE ECONOMY EXCEPT FOR MOSTLY ROBOT-RUN INDUSTRY?
1:21:00 I moved to Vietnam
What's the reason again for wiping out Stuttgart? Linked to Patch barracks? (01:31:54)
Ahh culture ... Defined as 6000 gala guests attending a performance at the Kennedy Centre for the Arts, and using two 10 stall restrooms at the end if the hall during intermussion
Its less than 0.01%. Its more like 0.000001%
Exactly. I live in Mew York. The viralata complex blinds the most awaken
Viralata complex?
@@laurakelso9652 Vira Lata is the Brazilian term for its national inferiority complex, I believe.
Americans can immigrate to China. Quite a few have.
What Michael talked about is what Biden is proposing in his infrastruture plan
Lula had stated that he is Not Runing again, but ...?
I do not have the intellectual background of Prof. Hudson, but I do have a position on sound money policies and a sound global monetary policy. I do not think MMT is a solution and we may note that Dr. Hudson spends a great deal on the direction and ownership of currencies in countries but none on the nature of them. Nor (as far as I have listened to anything he has said) has he discussed hyperinflation as a basis for collapse of empires. I am not a great fan of Libertarian philosophy but do adhere to its position on sound money as a basis for economic longevity. Banking and its fractional reserve credit and propensity for cheating is at odds with this and the Dr. is also not a fan of the Western financialized system. There is an overlap here that is not incompatible and I have taken the position that free enterprise and socialism, by expediency have to be uneasy partners in a modern society.
FWIW,
L.
“Sound money” = Banks hate governments funding broad public purpose when they issue the currency, thus reducing household reliance on bank loans
Also, fractional reserve banking isn’t a thing.
Banks are not reserve constrained in their ability to make a loan
@@katiecannon8186 A little cryptic here. Banks hate having credit restrained under a gold standard and this is more difficult when the BIS has essentially nullified public central banks. Sound money reduces credit and defeats destructive credit cycles. So yes, banks cheat on their ability to make loans which is why gold has to be revalued during resets periodically when CIC gets out of control.
I don't understand your :"reducing household reliance on bank loans" statement.
L.
@@larrygalearis7470
Reducing household reliance on bank loans: Whatever our government pays for when it issues our currency is free of bank issued loans.
So, our government pays for our military. Nobody in the private sector has to take out a loan to pay for our military.
If our government were to pay for your healthcare, then you would be less likely to have to take out a loan to pay for new car tires. Or whatever. Because you would never have to pay your doctor, thus saving dollars.
Also, a gold standard in no way restricts banks from making a loan. We were under a gold standard during the Roaring 20s that were followed by a private debt crash known as The Great Depression
@@larrygalearis7470
A gold standard is a set of government issued laws that say: Our government hates funding broad public purpose when it issues our currency so that banks can sell loans to households who must pay for broad public purpose
@@larrygalearis7470
Gold standard: Our government and democratic pressure won’t be determining public policy by determining what gets funded. Instead, unelected bank CEOs will determine public policy by determining what public goods get funded when households take out a bank loan. And then pay a bank a tax in the form of interest owed.
Which is pretty much what we have now anyway 😉
The difference is that our government funds narrow interests when it issues our currency. And then lots of us cheer when out government cuts taxes on those at the top so that they can keep even more of their government issued dollars.
Dollars for Bezos. Bank loans for you.
the 'free kunch' ended when U.S. showed it's depravity in Iraq
It's hopeless. Once we accept that we can begin rebuilding sanity
Hopeless for the West. The East will rise.
The west needs a revolution
@@walden6272 LOL a year has gone by and look how wrong you were.
@@beastmode8203 What are you talking about? LOL Have you not pay attention to what's happening in Europe? They are running out of gas, high inflation, cost of living crisis (esp in UK), protests by nurses, protest by transit workers, plus a war on their doorstep with Russia. Things in the East by comparison is relatively mild and calm. In the US, we have Republicans who can't even decide who is the nest Speaker of the House. Border crisis, with illegals crossing non stop. Mass shootings, rising crime rate and skyrocketing homelessness. Plus we have a President who can't remember where he is at times. And here's the thing, this is just the beginning. 2023 is going to be the tsunami of problems, especially economic crashes. Mass layoffs is going to hit us hard this year, already starting this mouth. Amazon lay off 18,000 workers and Saleforce lay off 8,000 workers. Our oil reserve has depleted by Joe Biden. Are you even prepare for what's coming? Saudi is switching sides to East, made a deal with China to sale oil for Yuan. The Petro-dollar is on its last legs, will collapse within this decade. All these are just a few examples of what is happening in the West. We are going to collapse. Once BRICS Nations launch their economic currency system. It's game over for us.
@@walden6272 are you crazy why would you write all that garbage? The Chinese economy is literally dying as we speak everyone's talking about it. Their exports are dwindling and 65% of their economy is exports. Then decoupling from the West the main consumer countries in the world LOL are you serious? oh my God you're delusional. Cope harder tankie and cry more. It's going to hurt your tankie heart I know but get used to it we've been through this before.
OK - I vote for China's form of capitalism without the social media control, and, wondering if that is possible....
NO! We are in the process of COMPLETE CONTROL WORLDWIDE and DEPOPULATION!
Social media control is on both sides. One uses it to stoke flames, the other to prevent agitation propaganda.
The devil is always in the details. China’s social media control is way more free than ours. China is essentially controlling anti-state content, Western control is over thought and logic
This is what has happened to henry George in the last decade? China (mass graves and struggle sessions) has nothing at all to do with Henry George. Are you now taking funds from China?
Something inexplicable about Rent Seeker Feudalism, it looks exactly like Tribal Home Defence in the context of ecological survival conditions.
The Tradgedy of the Commons is the failure of a Social Contract, Mutual Respect as it has existed by default, in accordance with the functional Gold-Silver Rules.., the con-sequence of selecting the useful narratives of optimal human behaviour that optimises sense-in-common resources.
In other words, Michael Hudson's analysis of humanity's management of ecological circumstances in maintaining balanced environmental metastable proportioning of available resources to a stable Social Standard, is a Model to emulate, to reiterate the Education Systems of global interactions.
All this poison propaganda and lies for the war efforts won't help anyone, particularly when they obliterate medical facts.
The host talking about hope and non-violent revolution. Sorry but that's fantasy world.
Brasil can grow soy anywhere
Not free market at all. They demand Laiz est Faire. Not free Market
“ If you are against of war , you are Putinista!” I loved that! 🤣
If you're anti US you're the enemy of the West.
People are so stupid to pay interest for money that doesn't exist
Brasil with petroleo controlled by gov unacceptable
80% don't think of get tid of 20% Has to be masoquism
China sees itself in succession of Portuguese empire, just to state that clearly and precisely.
Why?
Where did you get this?
@@christineyoung8345 From chinese officials.
A weekly question and answer process like "the Dark Horse" CZcams by Hesther Hyer and Eric Weinstein would be luctative and benefitial for brain storming...Perhaps havinh wild man Max Kieser could spice things up too.
Narcostate. Brasil is subColombia
What is that bullshit "international union for land value taxation"? Does it mean commercial property?
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He should change his name to Bernie Panders.
Russia's people income halved for 50% in last 10 years. Check youtuber Yeah Russia to see real Russia. Lovely girl. Propaganda is nice but awerage wage in Russia is 300-400 euros.
Order ?? 🙄 Actually get lost ... Extinction is here