Schubert - Symphony No. 4 "Tragic" / Nathalie Stutzmann
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- Franz Schubert: Symphony No. 4 "Tragic" / Nathalie Stutzmann, conductor · OSESP Orquestra Sinfônica do Estado de São Paulo / Recorded at Sala São Paulo, Brazil, 17 September 2016.
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Her baton technic is really great. I like her as a singer and also as a conductor, very impressive woman.
Nathalie Stutzmann - you are one of the best conductors alive. Oity we don't hear you sing too often, as you have a such a magnificent contralto voice.
That first note was a thunderbolt hurled by Zeus - in this case Nathalie Stutzmann. Almost knocked me out of my chair. SHE IS Magnificent.
Franz Schubert's Symphony No. 4 in C minor, was completed a year after his Third Symphony, he was only 19 years old. Schubert added the title "Tragic" after the work was completed, the reason remains unknown.
-Information from Wikipedia
1. Adagio molto - Allegro vivace
2. Andante in A♭ major (starts at 10:24)
3. Menuetto. Allegro vivace - Trio in E♭ major (starts at 19:45)
4. Allegro (starts at 22:54)
Nathalie Stutzmann is inded very gifted. Her conducting of this symphony 'trgic' of Schubert is awesome.
Thanks Nathalie. Wonderful performance, the tempi perfect and the energy of a youthful Schubert shining through!
00:35 Adagio molto - Allegro vivace
10:28 Andante
19:44 Menuetto
22:52 Allegro
Bravo ! 4ème mouvement magnifique. Mme Stutzman nous emmène vers les cimes schubertiennes !
Schubert was only 19 when he composed this symphony. The influence of Beethoven is obvious, but Schubert is already here. Ths slow movement seems to anticipate one of the future impromtus, in the same tonality. Nathalie Stutzmann conducts it both with precision and sensitivity.
@Cordis Chamber Choir Dear friend,
You are perfectly right and I fully agree with you. The issue is that we do not consider things at the same level.
Where can Schubert have learnt to write so well -adding some features of its own - at 19? From Mozart and perhaps other minor composers, but before and over all, MOZART. You perfectly showed the harmonic specific features that forecast Schubert’s (too short) maturity. You quote the beginning of Creation of Haydn, and you are certainly right, but I consider it as anecdotic. The major difference between Mozart and his great friend Haydn is that, in architectural terms, Haydn loved “sharp” architectures, where formal articulations can clearly be seen (such is also Beethoven). Mozart loved to’hide’ or at least soften these articulation points (such is Schubert). This is why I consider Haydn less important than Mozart as far as Schubert is concerned: he got some details from Haydn, but the major issues from Mozart.
What I meant is that, for this 19 year gifted composer, at that time, Beethoven was THE living glory and THE challenge. This is why, in that symphony in C minor that clearly derives from some dramatic scores such as symphony 40 by Mozart , perhaps choral of armed men towards the end of Zauberflute (I do not think that Schubert knew the two piano C minor fugue and the derived adagio and fugue for strings), Schubert made efforts to have Beethoven’s accents rather than Mozart’s ones; but his language clearly derives from Mozart above all.
About the slow movement, note two things:
1 - The contrast C minor - A b major, just as in Beethoven’s op. 13 ‘pathetic’ sonata or later 5th symphony
2 - The theme is almost the same than the forthcoming impromptu op. 142 in the same tonality.
In that movement, I am a bit deceived by the very beginning, which is, in my modest opinion, too high (violins); he should have begun in medium register then repeat it one octave higher. But I think that, at this time, it was quite uncommon to begin by celli (divided or not) and violas. He had not still heard the examples by Beethoven or Weber. But this is just a moment, and I especially love this movement.
Cheers,
Honestly, this is one of the most stunning performances and truly understood, I think, as Schubert likely heard this in his head. A jaw-dropping performance which, for me, will be hard to top.
This is truly a well thought through interpretation. This is one of my favourite Schubert symphonies, I can listen to Maestra Stutzmann's interpretation all the time. Brava!
Great performance and great conductor ❤️
Wow -- great conducting and a great performance which really brings this piece to life! It sounds like a symphony an opera composer, such as Rossini, would write.
Wonderful, Schubert's Symphonies are really amazing. One of the best composers of 19th century.
Very Nice Performed!
Bruno Batista Costa
The best, his lieders are also fantastic.
Indeed!
Вот это да!!!Вот это интерпретация!!Никогда еще не слышал такого Шуберта.Правда можно сказать что "Трагическая" симфония с этим дирижером получилась" Торжественная".Браво!Музыканты молодцы!
Love her….thank u Maestra.
Merci bien Maestra.
Magnificent !
Thank you for sharing
Magnifique direction !
Gorgeous!!!
Excellent -thanks to all.
It was interesting to see how the string players were using quite short bows, manly near the middle of the bow. Some of the back desk players seemed as if they were using hardly any bow at all. Despite this, another tight and well controlled performance from Nathalie Stutzmann ensued.
Yes, very tight and perfect IMHO for the music.
Tragicamente belo! BRASIL
Estupendos todos pero me ha gustado mucho la flautista. Magnífica la dirección.
Wait a minute... isn't Ms. Stutzmann a singer? Some hidden talents indeed. Very fine rendition. And on period instruments no less.
This Symphony seems really amazing! The way the Fourth movement ends is really amazing! In many pieces of music in the key of C minor, it was very common for them to end in C major. My piano Sonata number two does the same thing as well!
As a Schubert lover, I'm always looking for a good version of my favourite symphony . So thanks to Nathalie; to my ears. a very successful balance between power and subtlety often it is given the 'big treatment'.It now seems similar in feel and youthfulness to the next symphony n5. Which orchestra is it?
OSESP - Orquestra Sinfônica do Estado de São Paulo (State of São Paulo Symphonic Orchestra - Brazil). Stutzmann is the visitant conductor, the principal is Marin Alsop.
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She is a prodigious conductor
And I always think If only Schubert had lived as long as Telemann
Correct oui parfait......!!!!🤔🤔🤔🤔
Сейчас только понял, что здесь трагического мало. Но слушал борьбу дирижера и Шуберта. Дирижер победила! Еще одна трагедия Шуберта. Веселый такой получился концерт!
Anybody know what the hell is going on with viola/cello parts in m. 233 and its pickup? They're playing a diatonic step higher than the Bärenreiter and Dover/Breitkopf 1884 score both have (which follows the expositional correspondence one to one). Any clues? It is undoubtedly a result of either an edition discrepancy somewhere along the line or a personal choice by Stutzmann. 9:23
Unfortunately, there are some serious sound problems. The accompanying line often sounds louder than the main melody line (like 3:37-3:42, 3:52-3:57, 4:37-4:42,4:46-4:51, 8:30-8:34, etc etc). The timpani also suppress the other instruments, making them asphyxiate, with most characteristic moment the opening roll (0:36-0:43). Suppose it is bad sound engineering problem rather, than conductor's fault, but she should not allow circulate a version that damages so badly her work.
Konstantinos Stavrou Alevras I agree. But I suspect a part of. The problem is my small iPad speakers. I first heard this symphony at age 17, and it’s still my 2nd favorite next to Schubert’s 9th, which we played in high school. Having no strings in the band, I played my Dad’s bass sax for the bass solo! 66 y ago...
We could know for sure where the probleme lies only if we listened the original CD.
0:00 - 1 часть
10:26 - 2 часть
19:40 - 3 часть
22:50 - 4 часть
Is there a connection to Haendels Adagio?.
First Downbeat of the first movement 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Could the third movement be described as "Haydn inspired but quintessentially Schubert?"
(Finamelmente una direzione della Stutzman, a dir poco, eccellente dall'impronta autenticamente tragica alla sinfonia ). (ma se riesce di più nel repertorio classico, del romantico non saprei, perché non si dedica a questo) (Del repertorio barocco, al quale ha dedicato diverse pagine importanti come lo Stabat Mater di Pergolesi non è che abbia dato prove del tutto eccellenti ! Tanto meglio la Emmanuelle Haim, che quantomeno è pimpante, se non pimpantissima !).
Three damned ads interrupted this wonderful symphony. I will never buy anything advertized this way.
The tympani seems way too loud in the first movement. Otherwise, this is really a very good performance of Schubert’s fourth.
5... got really mad
Cosa fa il timpanista all'inizio un terremoto, povero Schubert?
A bit on the slow side.
good concert but very bad camerawork.
this man knows nothing at all about music. I played it myself so he misses all the important melodies.
bad work.
very anoying.
Very quirky intepretation of the beginning and end of the first movement. What comes in between is handled decently, but the start is heavily mannered and slow, the end almost comically fast, as if making up for lost time. Abrupt changes of tempo and dynamics continue in the second movement. The Scherzo is better suited to this conductor's sense of the symphony, although she can't resist little mannered touches even here, as at the end of the Trio. The final movement is suitably vigorous but rather over-emphatic at times, and the treatment of the final chords is downright silly.
why isn`t she more formally dressed like her male equivalent would be required too and even the female musicians shown in the orchestra are required too
Coat is tailored, formal, shirt has the cuff links, cummerbund on trousers, patent leather shoes. Only variation is open neck and pendant instead of a tie. Most of the female players are sleeveless big variation in bottoms" skirts short and long trousers. A few black and white tops. The men are more consistently dressed but the coloured patterned ties are not something I am familiar with.
What a stupid observation
@@monicaavendano9013indeed very stupid ! !
and it's HER choise, not our's
boring schubert