How Ireland became BAD at football
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- čas přidán 29. 11. 2023
- Ireland’s football team was once feared globally, known for producing some of the best players in Europe and considered a shoo-in for every World Cup. However, over the last two decades, something has gone wrong, leading to a gradual decline in the FIFA rankings. In this video, I unravel the story of Irish football's heartbreak.
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Below, there are some really interesting comments that highlight points I may have overlooked or missed in my research. I recommend giving them a read for a more in-depth analysis of this issue.
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I wouldn’t argue with those points, but think there’s a lot more to it. I’d suggest the influx of Irish emigrants to England in the 60s was a factor in our successes in the 80s and 90s. Many of those players were born over there and came up through their system, not the League of Ireland, which wasn’t exactly well supported in the 80s. Better times are a factor in other ways too, kids have more distractions outside sport. Within sport, rugby has gained popularity. The GAA are still a factor of course. On top of all that there’s the influx of players into the English game from outside of the UK and Ireland, both scouted young and bought for outrageous fees. It’s simply harder to make the grade with more competition.
Excellent point. And it also shows our over reliance on the UK system to supply our national team.
Yea but look at Europe and how no clubs in Germany France or Spain take in Irish players. Why is that. It can’t be ability because the premier league is the most competitive and we were in the top 4.
Well made video, it deserves more views. As a Macedonian, whose dmestic league is quite poor, I hope that the Irish league gets better and can develop more talent 🇲🇰🤝🇮🇪
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@@thomasblade1 no worries, I subscribed
Same to you too man love from Ireland I hope our countrys can atleast compete at the top level one day again
Another factor is the success of the Irish Rugby team. A lot of young people made the switch to play Rugby instead.
Yes, I was trying to get some stats on this but couldn't find anything concrete. But rugby turning professional and how well it is run in Ireland is definitely a contributing factor.
West brits
@@Maarthelswapping one British sport for another. Real Iriah gaels play Gaelic football, Hurling or box
I don't see rugby as a negative. The IRFU is well funded, has standards of excellence and produces quality professionals here in Ireland. If anything, it should be something the FAI is modelled upon. Football still has great youth participation and choosing rugby can often be about which schools you go to and whether you're a bigger sized athlete anyway. Both can exist and be run well.
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Delaney destroyed us but we haven't been smart as a national team. How didn't we get Jack Grealish and Declan Rice capped? You could've given them a few minutes off the bench in competitive games and they'd be locked down permanently. Having one or two top class players can make a huge difference as we saw with Wales having Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey. We did this way better in the past when Jack Charlton scoured the secondary divisions for players with recent Irish ancestry and got those players secured.
Also, we could have been cute and boosted our world ranking the way Switzerland did. They looked at the rankings, arranged friendlies against beatable teams and treated those matches like competitive fixtures working their way up the rankings table. The higher your FIFA world ranking is, the easier groups you get drawn in.
We destroyed ourselves. FAI is only a part of it. Irish fans bandwagoning on English and Scottish clubs stopped the development of Irish football. No investment going into the clubs.
Grealish and Rice are English and way too good for Ireland. They want to play on a team that will be playing in every major tournament. Ireland are a pub team .
@@marcbruton836 Rice played for Irish U17, U19 and U21, so they could have reasonably gotten Rice on the Irish squad
@@marcbruton836 Rice played for Irish U17, U19 and U21, so they could have reasonably gotten Rice on the Irish squad
@@ItsTheBoombox Not to mention three non competetive Irish caps.
As our football team has gotten worse, our rugby team has gotten better. Kids gravitate towards success.
Plus playing rugby professionally means you can also stay in the country and have a successful career. Not every kid wants to emigrate to Burley or Stoke at age 16.
Well they can’t go to stoke or Burnley at 16 anymore. But the number of kids participating at football has never really dropped and rugby is a very closed off sport at a professional level .
Doubt if rugby has much to do with The type of athlete needed for rugby is totally different to soccer and the structure is not set up to cater for a large influx of players only 200 odd clubs and a handful of private schools acting as academies for the provincial and national team.
I'm half-Irish. Every time I go to Ireland, I see all the kids wearing Celtic, Liverpool and Man Utd shirts. I don't think I've ever seen anyone with an Irish club shirt.
That was always the case but it was an unspoken compromise. The Premier League is indebted to LOI for providing them with some of the greatest footballers to ever grace their pitches. Roy Keane, John Giles, Liam Brady, Tony Dunne Paul McGrath, David O’Leary, Kevin Moran, Denis Irwin, John O’Shea etc. they served their apprenticeships on home soil before Man U, Arsenal and Leeds spotted them…John Delaney has stripped LOI of that core function and it’s why Irish football is in the doldrums today. Rugby has become a far more attractive sport due to our international success there…..
Anyone who says the rugby team doing well is causing the football teams decline is actually deluded . It’s not even a factor .
As someone who has played football and rugby my whole life, out of the 200 or so I played with in club football , club rugby, school rugby and school football I think I know like 3 people who ever played both sports past u12 levels.
Rugbys player base is still the exact same , it’s just that the private schools which they draw most their players from have legitimate professional coaching and set ups so the standard has improved as a result.
GAA is the sport that loses talent to rugby not football . As they can get a pro contract while living in Ireland as opposed to not earning any money playing gaa.
The gaa player base of country lads and middle class city lads is the same player base that rugby draws from so they are typically in direct competition for players , the town in limerick im from for example half of the rugby team played gaa and vice versa where as the football lads never played rugby and didn’t really play gaa if they took football seriously and played for a big schoolboy football club.
I agree. The most glaring difference between the sports in Ireland is the mismanagement on the part of the FAI.
I'm so confused by this comment. You're calling soccer football and saying gaa players play rugby? Fuck no. I've met 1 person who ever played both. Rugby is a protestant sport and you'd get all sorts of abuse for it
It's not a reason at all....why is Italy one of football's great meccas but their rugby team is the drizzling shits? GAA is the one sporting institution not deflowered by big money. Yes some do get lost to rugby but it's a small price....I place the blame squarely on John Delaney....
@@Dylan20579let me guess you’re a working class dub ? I’m from limerick and the soccer heads were the biggest west Brits of all time. All diehard English premier league fans .
Rugby is most certainly not a Protestant sport in limerick , we’ve teams beside moyross ffs.
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a very nice concise video on the timeline, great watch for anyone wanting a quick intro to what went wrong!
Communities in Ireland of like 500 people have GAA clubs it by far the most common sport and let’s be honest English football doesn’t need Irish players as much as they used to as they can recruit from anywhere in the world, even though I think a lot of Irish lads dream of playing professional football in England the simple fact is a lot don’t make it and end up playing GAA.
Rugby thrives due to it bring a private school game but also that rugby requires a different type of athlete compared to football/gaa players.
Competition in Europe is tough these days but hopefully the lads can break through into a major tournament 🇮🇪🇮🇪
See statistics, there are far more participants in football in Ireland than the gaa,that's fact. It's logical as there's more clubs. My parish had 8 football clubs as against 2 gaa but all cooperated greatly. Rugby is a minority game competing at a similar level internationally,only 8 or 9 nations any good and only new Zealand where its the premier sport. Irish football has slipped due to fai mismanagement, lower numbers in premiership and a small national population. Let's face it perhaps in our golden years we were away above our capabilities when we could hold huge countries like Spain or Italy or Holland!
I agree with most but The GAA is way more popular in rural areas than soccer and i agree with FAI mismanagement but you also have to blame the general irish football supporter. The majority of irish football supporters would much rather support premier league team and they pump millions of euros into the british football economy. then we try compare oursleves to countries of similiar population like denmark croatia slovakia etc but they have a football industry in their country which is supported by the majority of their population and their leagues are far superior and can develop players to a higher standard
@@oliver69cork46 deffo agree with that, football is a far more laid sport than GAA at least at the local level.
Playing both going to my local football club it’s just a bit of a laugh, nobody real cares if you turn up to training, go to the gym or turn to a game hungover.
Where as GAA especially when it comes to the county championship either senior/intermediate you’re expected to show commitment, just look at that Clarinbridge player contract recently.
If you conducted a survey asking the question ‘do you take your sporting commitments seriously’ GAA would come out on top for Yes answers.
The reality is most lads probably take both seriously when they’re younger but when they turn 15/16 they realise they probably won’t make it at football so turn over to GAA.
@@joemccartney8119 yes I agree that soccer at a low level isn't taken seriously and the gaa is. Its always been like that,local soccer is more of a keep fit game so less commitment. But at more senior levels it becomes quite different and ofter players have to choose. Commitment is dependent on one's level.
League of Ireland is getting more and more popular. While the football is league one standard the atmosphere and craic at the games is second to none . English Premiership is overpaid divas watched by the rich and Asian tourists
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I always found the juxtaposition of the FAI and the IRFU fascinating. With rugby in Ireland being historically mismanaged particularly in the 90s and early 2000s while football was seeing a lot of success and a flip almost happening around the late 2000s with the sports find of swapping places.
But the FAI were being mismanaged in the 80s and the 90s the success they had had nothing to do with the Fai themselves. With the IRFU I think they greatly helped by the private schools essentially running their academies for them the IRFU can’t take much credit for them
The private schools have been there for generations now but Ireland have only started seeing success since 2009 ish just leveraging the resources at hand.
Yes, me too. And one of the factors that inspired me to research this topic. Maybe a follow up on 'the rise of Irish rugby' is needed.
Would love to see a follow up 🔥
You were part of Jackie's army!
Extremely simplistic take
Another major factor was that our last great team (2002 team) was wasted when the Fai appointed Brian Kerr for two seasons, and then Steve Staunton. That was 6 years without a proper decent coach. Wasted a great crop of players.
Great summary of our decline Delany has been a large part of it but make no mistake it was not the only factor.
Thanks for your honesty,Thomas
High quality video mate, was a pleasant watch
Great video! I still think that one of the reasons that our football team is so useless is because of the GAA (not that it's necessarily a bad thing). Every rural village in Ireland has a gaelic team, but how many have a football team? If you really want kids to play football then you have to target those that don't have the option. That being said, I wouldn't want gaelic to decline. Maybe there's room for both, who knows.
Defo. I’d add that the GAA is by now at a professional level in all but pay, taking players away from football (e.g greedy managers not allowing players to play other sports, or there simply not being enough days in the week to train w/ multiple teams). Maybe that might actually push people towards football again in the medium to long term but let’s see? Plenty to go around at the end of the day
Statistics shows that there are near 2 times the number of football clubs v gaa clubs-4000 v 2300. Rugby hss 256 official clubs. The gaa won't decline because they're great games and have deep roots.
I am from county sligo and my local LOI team is Sligo Rovers and they seem to be well supported but the problem is there is only one local player on the team which means many youngsters don't feel that getting to play for sligo rovers is arealistic goal.Sligo is doing very well at under age Gaelic may not be solely be the reason but its probably a factor.
@@oliver69cork46I agree with there being more football clubs in Ireland than GAA however the majority of the GAA clubs would be u6 the whole way up to adult whereas with football clubs there are many underage clubs or adult only clubs. Or clubs with 2/3 underage teams and an adult club especially in rural Ireland. Football clubs and GAA clubs don’t follow the same structure and are hard to compare
@@liamb0142 quite true and let's enjoy what sport we can.
John Delaney, that's what happened to Irish football.
Delaney was a bad Administrator However You can't excuse bad coaches like Kerr, Staunton and Kenny who qualified for zero tournaments because of their slow low tempo friendly paced tactics.
Kenny's failure has nothing to do with Delaney you can't sugarcoat Kenny's awful time in charge of Ireland he simply was not up to the demands of the job and neither was Kerr and Staunton before him .
@josephm.d.p.finnegan Whatever about Staunton, he was a Delaney pick and was instantly in over his head. Brian Kerr is unfairly maligned. He wasn't a Delaney yes-man, brought Roy Keane back into the fold - which given his exit was no mean feat. In my opinion he wasn't given enough time. He managed most of that team to great success at underage level. Two bad results against Israel and an Henry worldie in Landsdowne cost him his job, unfairly, in my opinion. I reckon his sacking was political more than anything else.
Delaney was more than an administrator. He ran the FAI into the ground.
@@josephm.d.p.finneganKenny was dealing with a bad bunch of players with zero grassroots system. Yes, he was truly awful (and should never have got the job) but the blames isn’t entirely his. Or any other failed manager for that matter.
Great video mate, I enjoyed that
Another factor is when you hire an amature level manager you get amature level football. Scotish or league of Ireland football is not international level of experience required
Irish people don't generally support the League of Ireland, thus millions of euro crosses the Irish Sea every week and doesn't come back. Until this changes, the national side will struggle to reach its potential.
Corporate governance has also been a big problem for the FAI; John Delaney almost single-handedly destroyed the Association.
Compare this with the GAA and IRFU, which are well supported and which largely manage to keep the money within the country, and are much better organised than the FAI.
1million went to LOI this year thats on a par with GAA and Rugby.Most grounds have been sold out but the capacities and facilities at those grounds are low.
exactly most people who give out about how poor the Irish national team are will gladly go to liverpool manchester etc and watch premier league football and they dont realise the damage they are doing to irish football
@@gallowglass2630 Sure, and that’s a step in the right direction. Maybe the cost of living crisis will be beneficial for the LOI in making domestic football more attractive to spectators.
It’s also good that the likes of Kerry FC and latterly Mayo FC have been formed, as it’s hard to follow a team that doesn’t represent your locality.
Look if we had Grealish and Rice in the midfield we would be still doing well and if we had Harry Kane and Jude Billingham, we would win the world cup
1:33 "They give everything and that's what counts"
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"I'd like to say Hello to my mother"
I think it’s time for the north and south to join forces .
Hahahaha that would never work mate. Works with rugby because the fans are middle class and don’t really have a history of conflict but in football that doesn’t work .
NI supporters are from the shankill, sandy row etc and despise catholics and everything about us.
No thanks we don't want to be united with scumbags like your lot. No Surrender 🇬🇧
absolutely class video deserves more views
As an England fan since 70s l was surprised as how Ireland football had fallen since 2004....They used to be do strong under manager Jack Charlton n players like Houghton, Paul McGarth, Kelvin Sheedy etc etc n e early 2000 Roy Keane...but after that they seem to go down all e way...sad to see this situation for e Irish!!! Hope they can bounce back to Glory soon again!!
Not suprised , was plenty of talent around country but not scouted by English clubs in areas outside of Dublin .
This video is spot on !
What about Caoimhin Kelleher? Didn't he win the Prem with Liverpool in 2019/20?
Very interesting. As a Scot, I’m always interested in how Ireland are getting on. We have a similar demographic and history, though obviously not identical. I’m old enough to know that football, like everything, is cyclical. I remember Scottish sides being some of the top in Europe, as recently as the 80s. I recall that too for the Dutch, French and Yugoslavian teams. England’s bubble can’t remain forever - it too will burst - and with it, a reliance on Irish, Scottish and Welsh players will return - I’m sure of it.
Unfortunately, I find this too really distasteful and subservient.
I’d prefer to see all countries thrive. I want to see a more even competition and rising interest in not just Ireland, but Scotland and Wales too. I’d like to see Dutch, Swedish and Belgian clubs given the same.
Basically, we need more equality in the game. As Ceferin said, “we need the Rangers and Celtics, the Galatasaraays etc” - he knows it too.
This then makes for more competitive national teams, as more citizens see an interesting local pathway, and play the game more. They’re not just fixated on the PL or CL (both of which I find increasingly tedious).
I hope Ireland gets back producing great players again. Sometimes, as in our case, that’s not enough, and it needs a great manager too.
All the best
Football or soccer in ireland as many call it here is just one of 4 major field games whereas though you have rugby scottish football has much less competition for its best athletes.
Money has made it harder for snaller European countries. Until 30 years ago Scottish Swedish Belgian Romanian clubs could win European competitions.
Rangers and Celtic don't want more equality in the Scottish game. I'm an Aberdeen fan who enjoys watching their glory hunting/bigoted fans crying about joining English league. 😆 stay and suffer like rest of us lol
Good video with some good points. I’d add massive popularity of GAA in big towns now like Dublin where football dominated before. The lack of emigration from Ireland to the uk- the 80’s & 90’s teams had considerable numbers from the diaspora that went over in the 60’s & 70’s- growing up where football is the dominant sport and going through the English or Scottish club systems, that’s gone since the Celtic tiger and it’s more tenuous now then before- ray houghton, Kevin Killane, Andy Townsend were good servants for Ireland. Despite some other comments I disagree with rugby as a factor as it’s still a middle class sport in Ireland- in the Ireland rugby team if they aren’t from a private school they are likely from the Southern Hemisphere.
I believe a personality like Jack Charlton was still in charge we would have grealish rice etc playing for Ireland 🤔
Could have had Gazza as well
Back in 2002 it was all soccer everyone wanted to go pro these days we focus on the IRFU
Football is growing in popularity rapidly ⚽️ ❤
As a Englishman Ireland does very well supporting and playing 4 major codes of Gaelic Football, Hurling, Rugby Union and Soccer with a small population and compere that to Scotland who have a similar size population yet it's manily Football ( and the Scottish team and crowds are poor apart from the Big Firm) as Rugby is only popular in Edinburgh and the Scottish/Northumberland Borders and Shinty is nowhere near as popular as Hurling....I think you do alright over 40,000 for the FAI final, 50,000 for Leinster v Munster and 80,000 for both All Ireland finals for Football and Hurling.
The last few times Scottish and Irish teams have faced off in Europe has shown the LOI isn't far off the SPFL. Sligo Rovers kicking ten shades of sh** out of Motherwell home and away being a prime example.
The LOI needs investment in facilities. Everyone makes fun of Shamrock Rovers "council house" in Tallaght but it should be the rule rather than the exception. Finn Harps have a bleak future ahead of them without a new stadium, Oriel Park is an embarrassment to LOI fans. Galway United, Drogheda United and St Pats are all outgrowing their current grounds.
The government giving 50 million for a GAA white elephant outside the jurisdiction of the state while grounds (not just football) are literally falling apart. 50 million would revolutionize a good chunk of stadia in the league
Nah, we just had a 5 year period where we weren't embarrassingly poor
Irish football's biggest problem is its own football league. Just look at those countries that don't have a competitive football league like Estonia or Moldova. Irish football remains in the European League B because there are the English who have the Irish grandfather and those few talented pure Irishmen play in the premier league.
Yeah, but if Irish people prefer to support sports no other country plays, or prefer to support other countries football leagues, there’s not really that much the League of Ireland can do about that.
Soccer just isn't well supported. Almost every GAA club in the country has their own ground and is the heart of every community.
great video
What has happened to us we used to produce talented names such as Roy Keane, Paul Mcgrath, Dennis Erwin, Robbie Keane and Damien Duff now the only good one we have is Ferguson but he is young and cant carry us to a world cup *sigh* before i die i just wanna see us in a world cup tournament im 20 so i have a long way to go so hopefully 🤞 anyways brilliant video on the issues irish football is going through top stuff 👍
A couple of things to set you straight on.
(1) The Irish national team is heavily dependent on the English game - that's correct. But it is not to the detriment of the game at home. No, the prize for the abject failure of the game at home goes directly to the people involved in it. If you think differently, just imagine Jack Charlton having only LOI players to work with during his tenure. He would have got us to 2 World Cups and European Championship? Yeah right.
(2) John Delaney and the FAI in general can be blamed for a lot, an awful lot to be honest. But despite their shenanigans there was no one ever stopping any coach in Ireland from coaching our kids the correct way. I mean you can go to the poorest countries on the planet and they coach their kids the correct way - technique, technique and more technique. And then tactics. We don't know how to do this in Ireland - simple as.
(3) And that brings up coaching. Oh that's right, we don't have any - proper coaches capable of teaching the above to our kids, that is. Where would we be likely to find proper coaches who can teach children the fundamental skills from the earliest age? Try basically any country in South America or Africa where the FAI could have imported the services of youth coaches for next to nothing. (As an aside........why is it left to punter like me on the internet to offer a solution to the coaching problems which beset Irish football?)
(4) And finally, for a bit of background, I played at LOI level myself (back in the day). Emigrated to America and learned more about the game in 6 months in America than I did in my whole young life in Ireland. Why? Because I began playing against Italian, Brazilian, Polish, Portuguese teams etc. They had and still have a whole different approach to the game. I would like to think that in the years since I left Ireland, things have changed with Irish football. But it seems there is never any progress towards a team that plays like a functioning team (ie. defends robustly, creates from midfield and finishes opportunities created). And if you think it can't be done, then look at Croatia, look at Chile, look at Belgium and Uruguay. The great Irish creative players and finishers over the years were Brady, Hoolahan, Keane Roy, Givens, Keane Robbie, Stapleton, and, at a stretch, Niall Quinn. Not great is it? So in essence the problem that needs fixing in Irish football is coaching - we need to teach the young kids how to beat a man, how to finish a chance, how to trick defenders with feints etc. But unless we have someone who was actually able to do that in their time, we're wasting our time.
It must burn Ireland so much to know Bellingham is part irish.
Oh man, that point about the FAI improving has not aged well
It's been the same since I was a kid.. I'm from dundalk a council estate in dundalk, no scouts will come look at us wen I was young.. not saying I was good enough to make it, but there was plenty of good footballers in my estate, then my town? Was loads... but we're council estate kids no1 came to scout.. I grew up watching us actually goin toe to toe wit anyone
If they didn't come to watch you Tom, or your friends, it wasn't because you were council estate kids. That makes zero sense. You will find that most of the superstars in world football were council estate kids (Robbie and Roy Keane and Liam Brady were 3 examples from Ireland).
Tbh i think that the best path we couldve taken was to scrap the league of Ireland in the 90s and join the premier League. There would be so many more irish teams if they were in thw premier League and woudl have way more viewers
The curse of the cult of so called coaching - targeting first gifted midfielder to yield creative autonomy or else! Enter the era of obedient midfield stiffs, expanding ultimately to 11stiffs now.
In 2002, Rugby & Boxing for example, were amateur sports. Ireland had a few Olympians and no World Champions at anything (apologies to some marathon or distance runners if I'm out by a year or two?). We got entirely behind Jack and he made dreamers better than their dreams. That was one of the best passages in the entire History of our young aggressively passive Nations History. It should not and will not be forgotten EVER. It is this inclusive attitude and basic 'Pride' that will allow us to WIN at every Sport, at every level. Stick with the basics. We are Superb at teamwork.
It's the "curse" of the small football nations that is responsible about the downfall of the Irish national team. Ireland is just having a "bad breed" of footballers.
Small countries (in population), are keen on football quality fluctations, because the pool from which they have to pick their players is limited.
Ireland is a country of 5 million people. A bad breed can result in very poor results in international level.
But Ireland is lucky...
Most small nations (population
Play station and prosperity. In my era there was no point in going inside. We had one tv channel and it was rubbish. All we lacked was the facilities and coaching. We had lots of very good players in ireland. You must get them playing as much as possible
The rugby team and the gaa has never been better
Multi culturalism in england finished off the Irish at pretty much everything.
The big clubs in the premier league wouldn't look at the good irish players anymore, much easier to sign players from other countries.
Same with the building sites im England, the look to eastern europe, asia and africa to find employees, ireland gets ignored
The players born there also choose to play for England instead of Ireland
Like who ?
Who was born in Ireland an represented England at any age? From 11- senior team? Who? You talking bout Grealish or Rice??? Born in England.. Don't spout shite Wen you don't have a clue
@@thejannerofplymouth3654grealish,declan rice and etc
@@njflip4984 grealish born Birmingham, declan rice born Kingston upon Thames......have another try
You are running out of passport micks
The primary focus should be on Futsal or 5 a side football. How many times have 11 a side underage teams struggled to make a team on the weekend before a match outside of Dublin?
In Futsal each player will get more touches and is involved in every play, thereby developing quicker. In 11 a side, especially underage, you may only get about 2 seconds of actual ball time, not to mention the poor goalkeeper.
There are proven systems in countries with similar populations - Croatia, Belgium and Iceland. ZERO attempt to learn from them or acquire their expertise has been made.
BTW the FAI are the same group of cronies since Delaney's time, just extended cronies but there's links between all of them. Disgusting organisation that is using tax payer's money.
Is noone going to mention how truly horroble irish football facilities are. I remember how excited we would get if we got to play against a team with a pretty flat pitch as most of the pitches we played on were horrible, basically farmland. In rugby, clubs have showers and clubhouses, in soccer you're lucky if they have the back of a trailer for you to change in
correct me if im wrong but it feels like your missing something when talking about the history of Irish football without mentioning celtic, like in the more recent stuff i understand but what about further back in history?
Its a scottish club why would he mention it
@@gallowglass2630he mentions English clubs enough
@@foxcub6795ah nah I get you there! Was more talking about the televizaition in the 60's
@@gallowglass2630 They are an Irish club playing in Scotland. Unlike Gallowglasses who were Scottish mercenaries of Scottish and viking decent who you try to claim as irish.
@@JagerScot-01 They were scottish initially ,but they recruited heavily from the local population and didn't exist at all in scotland to any extent so after a century there were primarily irish.There was a later group of scottish mercenaries called the redshanks who were seasonal warriors who went back and forth and didn't settle in ireland,but the gallowglasses settled recruited in ireland and intermarried with the irish
Also, other nations who were better than have passed us out after 20 years of investment whilst we sat back. Hungary, Austria, Albania, and Greece are teams we would always have been confident of beating. Those same countries now have much better teams than we have.
I think this is a huge factor and something I tried to point out in my video. Maybe more stats and insights from the countries you mentioned compared to Ireland was needed.
Does anybody ever mention the fact that there are too many field sports competing with one another in a small country like Ireland ?
The English football league traditionally consisted of footballers from the all over the British isles and the Commonwealth, mainly Caribbean and African players. It was not only football, but in other sports ie rugby, cricket, athletics, tennis, Olympians etc. A northern Irishman captained the first British team , Tottenham Hotspur, to win the league and cup double. And off course the greatest footballer in the world came from Belfast. George Best even the great Brazilian Pele said so. He also said, ‘ thank God to the British, they bring the beautiful game to Brazil.
It all changed off course when Sky launched the premier league, we had players come from Europe and the rest of the globe. The premier league is now globally by over a billion people.
The football in the irish republic didn’t develop for political reasons. It was purely down to extremist groups and their politics.
Many factors into the mix but another for me is the current obsession with these what I would call systems over everything type managers. Many of them are like cookie cutter managers coming out with their UEFA licenses. They know all the nice cute drills and passing sequences. They bring it onto the training ground and think they can be the next Pep. They must play short and out of the back etc etc. Its all so one dimensional. If you want to go back to the idea of total football and the great Ajax side of the past, they were a side who could play short, direct, long, pretty, ugly, dirty. The clue was in the name. They could adapt and do what they had to win. It didnt always have to be 5 yard passes side to side. Now we have midfielders who wont spread the first time ball to the wing when a player is free to attack. They will play 3 passes nice and safe to get it to the player and the space is gone by the time it gets there. And we will hear about the fantastic passing stats and ball possession. This is the metrics they currently worship. Overcoaching is killing natural instinct and restricting talent to play the game as they see it in the moment. You still have tactics and structure with this of course but you dont micromanager players down to them being so robotic. I am getting sick of the direction the game is heading in tbh.
There is nothing wrong with being real with the group you have in front of you and playing to their strengths. Sometimes that means looking at the group and being good with going direct. It doesnt mean it is caveman football. The beauty of this game is there are so many ways to skin the cat. Its somewhat ironic that the group Big Jack had could have played Kenny's football brilliantly and the group kenny has would be more suited to Big Jacks football. Ireland need to go back to being pragmatic and drop the idealism. Put some fight back into the performances, show the so called fighting spirit that used to be on display. Technically they will be better than us but they wont outwork us.
The main issue is the domestic league is still semi-professional at best. If young kids want to make it, they either have to leave Ireland or hope to get scouted by an overseas club.
Yes this a huge problem. Some players get scouted by English teams at when they are teenagers but it's not always possible to just move to another country when you are that young.
Some players miss thag opportunity because they are just not in a position to relocate abroad.
well you have to be 18 to go to the UK now
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I think it's mad that before 1995 Ireland had 3 codes which were strictly amateur GAA Footbal/ Hurling and Rugby Soccer was only semo pro.
Pigs will fly when Ireland win a cup
The Saipan affair poisoned the well. When the "feel good" factor was taken out of the equation the Ireland set up became a less attractive entity to be around (both for fans and prospective players).
Ireland could go into a future world cup as bookies favorites to win and I don't still think the Irish public would even care as much as they did back in the Charlton/McCarthy years, because there is now a disconnect between the public and the players.
Underage managers out for their own glory instead of being up players for senior team, they would happily fill under 18/21 teams with players who have absolutely zero interest in playing for the senior team
Good video but it seemed to end without a conclusion I feel
Thanks for your feedback Peter. Video creation like this takes an enormous amount of work and is a delicate balance to get all the elements right. I will keep this in mind for my next video and try to improve my scripting.
A good percentage are Celtic supporters as well and the north has alot of rangers and Celtic, alot of celtic an rangers season ticket holders are based in Ireland aswell.
The Republic of Ireland look like they’re about to go through a golden generation hopefully with Ferguson up front but Mark Travers is a legend 🇮🇪
Ireland have always been dreadful at Football when they appoint a Republic of Ireland born coach.
Stephen Kenny was way out of his depth and was clueless at how to coach the players to score goals.
He had zero creative goalscoring ideas.
All the 4 non Irish born coaches have got the Republic to a major finals.
Jack Charlton, Mick McCarthy, Giovanni Trappatoni and Martin O'Neill.
Go outside the Republic to bring in an outside coach because home born managers are of a very poor
Standard when it comes to CREATIVE FORWARD COACHING.
Look on the bright side at least they got a draw against New Zealand 😅
1:33 He'd like to say hello to his mother.
Acquiring talent via "The Granny Rule" only went so far....the LOI was indispensable as well and the Premier League owes them a sizeable debt....Roy Keane being the most obvious one but also John Giles, Liam Brady, Tony Dunne, Paul McGrath, David O'Leary, Kevin Moran, Frank Stapleton, Ronnie Whelan and of course our new interim manager John O'Shea....some of the best players to ever grace their pitches, we gave them on a silver platter.....John Delaney let LOI atrophy over the 20 years he was in charge...causing it to lose that core function of developing dangerous players that go on to ply their trade in the neighbour's garden and when they're called up for international duty, they're locked and loaded because they have the experience of playing both with or against many of their opponents in the World Cup and the Euros....
Don't forget the Fai took the money UEFA where paying Dundalk.
The irish dont really care about football gaelic games and rugby is much bigger
Says who? Rugby is shite played by prods and middle class but GAA is the hub of every community
@@Dylan20579 that's why I said gaelic games and rugby are bigger in Ireland
Football or soccer isn't big in Ireland
@@liammorriss comma is important 😂 sorry
Yes indeed, its hard for a small country like Ireland to compete in the truly global game of football, when most of the limited resources available go into supporting local games no other country plays.
You ignore the fact playing for england instead of ireland has huge funancial gain these days. International football is 2nd to club football these days.
It’s all down to the fans. If the fans put their money. into the Domestic game instead of throwing at foreign English teams then it would be a completely different situation. Millions upon Millions is brought over or spent by Irish fans on English teams every year. It’s sad
Ancelotti has played a role in the decline of Irish football.
Aldridge etc played for Charlton as much as for Ireland ☘️
Good video. I’ve been saying that for years and always get shouted down in the pub. If you want your country to do well you have to have a good home league. Stop buying Man U and Liverpool shirts and give your money to your local team. People who complain that Ireland are crap and at the same time support foreign teams are hypocrites.
Also the reason rugby and GAA games are more popular is because they are well run. Simple. It’s an attractive entertainment.
The football in Ireland story is a sorry tale of the foreign leagues being more attractive and the criminal running of the FAI by Delaney. What a crook.
Jack Charlton nailed the granny rule.
1990 squad? Probably ranked 4th or 5th in the world
The premier League happened that was the real reason
John Delaney…. A ‘where is he now’ video would be useful.
Delaney was a bad Administrator, however as far as coaching is concerned bad managers like Staunton , Kerr and Kenny prove that Irish born coaches are way below standard.
Those managers must carry the can for their abject failures.
LOI and FAI had ample opportunity to market and fund the game here, but couple that with the reign of John Delaney means we are where we are and probably decades from having a proper competitive team again.
The Argentine FA was on the verge of bankruptcy as well and nobody wanted the job around 2018 until it was thrown at Scaloni. But look at the constant conveyer belt of talent coming through?! Kids from impoverished backgrounds hungry to succeed. It’s far more nuanced and highly complex but JD well and truly fucked football in this country along with poor governance, funding and management across the board from grassroots up. But the one country Ireland could definitely devise a case study on is Uruguay. Their Baby Futbol program is the reason why they churn out world class talent almost every year as the grassroots level of football in that country is highly professional and funded properly. A country with a smaller population than us, and doesn’t necessarily have other sports, if any, picking up talent.
We are without a doubt probably still relying on some old crusty Guinness farts Padjo with a file-o-fax and dusty fax machine waiting for leads instead of building up contacts outside these isles. Facts.
P.S. I’d love to see the Irish team like the Slovenian one - virtually the whole squad dotted throughout Europe instead of us lobbing all the eggs in one basket and hoping for a team in the lower leagues in England. Unfortunately because of cultural ties and language most kids are off to England whereas jaunts further afield would without a doubt improve a child’s development just the same if not even more in the UK [albeit more and more kids are going to continental Europe in the last decade].
Yeah, Uruguay is a real football country, Ireland is not.
When john delaney was head of the fai he pumped no money into our league nor our youth development system across the island and pocketed it all and they lack getting big mangers to manage because of this need to wipe the whole fai and build a panel from the core of the system in my opinion
A new independent FAI board is ALREADY in place.
Delaney has been gone for 4 years now, while he was a bad Administrator vastly over spending on Managers like Trap, Staunton and Kenny, however that does not excuse the awful low tempo tactics of Kenny who played with one lone rookie player upfront . Kenny was a dreadful poor tactician who was constantly fearful and overawed by nearly all the opposition teams he came up against.
Remember this Kenny was sacked by both Shamrock and Bohemians so he was never going to be good enough to be a success with Ireland.
i think because there is less irish players in the premier league the loi attendance we continue to rise
This video dosent explain the lack of success pre Jack Charlton.. but sort of does post Jack Charlton .. but the three real answers to Irish success was Jack Charlton, Jack Charlton and Jack Charlton.
Great point. I tried to limit my scope to the last 20 years but could have had more on the Charlton era and the 'granny rule' success.
The players got worse and worse😢
Yes. There has been a clear drop off in quality. What do you think happened?
Well, I often see people looking for various scapegoats to blame. The most common one recently is to blame coaching. But I don’t buy that at all. If coaching is to blame, how do you explain Evan Ferguson ?
I think grealish and rice left Ireland so Ireland football team got to the worst teams in the world of football
Lack of funding. Rugby has grown in popularity also.
Rugby is where its at in Ireland. The FAI needs to look to Irish rugby as an inspiration
In what way ??
You're right above the fai looking at the irfu but at participation and international level,rugby is tiny compared to football. We are only a small country and always will be limited. Even if football was the only sport how could we compete against the big countries like France with 2.2 million players- practically half the population.
@@oliver69cork46contact sports always have a low participation level tbf , in America football has a higher participation rate than American football, same with football compared to rugby even in New Zealand .
The issue is the lack of interest from Irish fans in Irish football. 90% of lads I’m mates with / lads in the office are die hard prem fans and only like 5% of that 90% can even name a LOI player.
@@eoin8156 don't disagree at all,shame it's like that but it's understandable given the premiership status. Loi is and always will be limited due to population size and best players leaving early or never even been seen by loi clubs! There's participation but also association management and the fai under delaney ,it has been third World.
@@oliver69cork46the loi will never be a top league due to finances , population size etc but it even half of our prem fanboy supporters supported their league of Ireland clubs the LOI could at least be a feasible stepping stone league with good academies that nurture talent to a level where it’s as good as the spl teams (bar Celtic and rangers ).
The Belgian and danish leagues for example aren’t amazing but can at least produce good talent which is then ready to join a big league by their early 20s
7:40 Taribo West reincarnated.
Delany and the fai under his leadership was a complete shower of basterds. Back when dundalk was having a golden era. He fai would retain the clubs european money for months on end to make the books look good. They had the club rip up the recently installed pitch that was to european standards and replace it with one they deemed allowed. Knowing if the town made it back to europe again theyd have no option but to play the matches at the aviva. And retain the majority of ticket revenue for themselves. Money that would be pocket change to them but to the club it would have been a hell of an investment. (I know oriel parks away end isnt fit to hold 5 people never mind european fans) the FAI have always been against none dublin based clubs.
It's obvious because they're the only Irish team to play divided if they played as a united Ireland like all the other Irish teams do they'd be far better
That's a great point as I've grown up with the Old school mindset catholic Irish republic of Ireland not united Ireland.
Caomhin Kelleher won the premier league in 2019/20 with Liverpool
From my understanding, he wasn't awarded a medal because he didn't play enough games.
Happy to issue a correction if I am wrong
Medals were given to players who appeared in 5 prem games ore more. CK had zero appearances.
Were they ever a good football team in the first place? Their so called " golden generation " under Jack Charlton only ever managed a first round appearance in Euro 88, a quater final in 1990 without even winning a game and a second round in 1994...says a few things.
That’s a bit misleading about Euro 88, when you consider there were only 8 teams (group winners) in the finals.
@@davidpryle3935 Not misleading....simply stating facts!
They ran out of English players
Kenny was a wa##er,he's gone now thank god 🙏 we can only go forward..he's an absolute disgrace and should of let go but living in his dillusion..just wanted to hang on to his biggest pay check..absolute embarrassment to soccer in general..typical irish for letting it happen
Irish fans travel to Anfield every week and don't support their local teams, then they wonder why their national team is shite 😂
Most small countries dont have a great domestic league, you will hardly see any south american players playing in argentina brazil etc there all in Europes top leagues.
You are assuming there is a local team to support in half of ireland thats not the case though recently new teams have been created in these areas but these areas are gaelic football and hurling areas so they don't make any impact and will fold in a few years as has happened in the past with kilkenny fc ,kildare county and monaghan united.
Ireland are not bad at all, one of the few European countries to reach a world cup 1/4 final...
Current irish team full of African origins n what about clubs academy😢😢😢
When Rice and Grealish dusted off their English birth certificates it was downhill for Eire lol.