How much citric? - the citric / heroin reaction
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- A short film explaining the reaction that takes place when an acid is added to water in order to dissolve brown heroin. Essential viewing for everyone who injects heroin, and those who work with them. Now with subtitles, so you can watch it on silent.
Wow, organic chemistry really has changed since I was in school!
It’s the same for me.... well at least it’s the same for when I was supposed to be in chem class.
XD
13yrs late lil bro
When they first said "a typical ten pound bag", I was like "wow...these guys really like to get down." Damn Brits.
Haha
They are taking about money that's pounds not weight
I know, rite?!?.. 10 lbs. LoL, I was thinking the same thing, way dowwn =)
Daniel Garcia
lol..10 pounds..oh boy, far to risky, never be greedy if you do this, never more than you can have internally, never swallow it, safely packaged..up your ass is the only way, if fact, dont do it:) You really need to have lived there, and know all the scams that can can get you busted!
same haha
I like that shes inhaling the fumes while it cooks. This is the greatest recommendation from youtube 🙌
The water will boil off way before the heroin does, she might not even get like 0.000001 gr of heroin in her lungs... You can probably get more opiates in your system by eating a poppy seeds bagel.
@@Reth_Hard where in the world can you order a poppy seed bagel? Lol i must know. For a friend.
I also like the way she is in a high tech lab with al that science tools but uses the injection pump to mix the cooked heroin. Real street credeibility. Additionally she's talking wierd and I start thinking maybe she's really having some fun in a science cluster that is full of grade A drugs :D
@@marciatex
At your grocery store... lol
That's pretty common. You can even buy poppy seeds online, legally, that contains a lot of morphine. People make a tea out of it but the concentration of morphine vary so much there's a lot of people who died of overdose... So I don't recommend trying this. In fact, I don't recommend trying any opioids unless your doctor recommend you to take some because you're in too much pain.
@@marciatex your local bakery should have them. Most grocery stores too.
This is what we need instead of locking people up, harm reduction and help for those struggling with addiction. Now more than ever when so many people are being effected by this, more and more people are realizing addiction can happen to anyone and that doesn't make a person a bad person but an addict and with the proper help and support you can get your loving family member to the other side of this point in their life. Good luck and best wishes to all those struggling, there can be a different way!!
Yes. Like pure heroin. From pharmacist. Harm reduction. Maintenance heroin. Anyone can step away from heroin using a seven day step down detox using Buprenorphine. If your not ready, and still want heroin, fine. Go back on it. The most dangerous aspect of drugs are there illegality.
@@lauracornwell9129 no only the legal status but the taboo, the old concept that if you use drugs your a terrible person. If one could be honest about their drug use it would be so much easier to seek help and you wouldn't have people dying in alley ways and all alone because they could talk about their problem. On top of the black market for drugs is so insanely violent and destructive, people will always use drugs so take at least a large portion of control from the black markets or help them go legit and provide jobs instead of death. I've dedicated a large portion of my life trying to understand this issue and I can't see any other reasonable way to deal with it, everything that's been tried has failed and just ostracized many people that just need help. The president of the Philippines has been encouraging his citizens to kill drug dealers and addicts and they've been doing just that in crazy numbers but you know what, people are still doing drugs!! Even with the threat of being murdered at any second by a mob in the street and the president of your country giving them the right!! People are still doing drugs. There has to be a better way....
Putting the money together for my fixes was sometimes a bit of a “STRUGGLE”.
Yeah, just make it easier for people to throw their lives away for drugs instead of attacking the root of the problem like education, social welfare, and the fact that minimum wage hasnt gone up in years, you are a clown.
This isn't compassionate, it's parasitic unless therapy involves require end the abuse & never abuse again.
I don't always use Herion, but when I do it's professionally mixed in a lab. Stay noddy my friends.
Made me laugh
Holly S%%# my friend, one of the funniest replies I have read on YT today, I am sincerely jealous it wasn't me and yet very very grateful that the words were posted!
I think that the lab is obviously somewhere in Noddingham.
@@rickskeptical thanks Rick😁
🤣
"I'm just going to take a sample so I can analyze it in the lab later" uhh ok lady whatever you say *wink*
🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣don't mind me lol
Wish I was the janitor of this lab.
who cares lmao these drugs being illegal have killed more people than the drugs would have ever
Hey, that tune is a catchy one!
"A pinchful of citric helps the medicine go down
The medicine go down-wown
The medicine go down
Just a pinchful of citric helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way"
What???🤔🤔🤔
No bunk in their junk in the lab! Big up to exchange supplies for not only providing such necessary injecting equipment but also educational content like this!
I want Hamilton Morris and Nile Red to do a collab video on this topic.
If you could get them together, there's way more interesting topics for them to cover than "acid + base = salt". morphine/3-MAM/6-MAM/diamorph levels produced by using AA vs GAA vs catalyzed GAA would be my vote.
@@peterr6205 Well this one, because so many people without any training are (or should be) relying on this reaction for their own safety. Those other reactions are surely more fascinating to a chemist, but to a heroin user, this one could be lifesaving.
I mean, I see no reason the two shouldn't get together regularly and compare notes!
@@stickyfox It's certainly important, but it's also a chemistry 101 reaction/concept. Freebase cocaine to cocaine is the same reaction. Most drugs we take are in salt form. Vinegar and baking soda is this reaction. The type of people to watch either of those two, are very likely to understand neutralization reactions.
@@peterr6205 Have you ever heard a new song and thought it would be great to hear it performed by your favorite musicians?
@@stickyfox Yeah, but if I had a Led Zeppelin reunion, not sure i'd pick Do Re Mi as the closer.
This is useful info for those who need it. Much as I personally have a horror of addictive drugs, it's my belief that the war on drugs has been long lost. Addiction should be treated as a social problem, not a criminal one. After all, the tobacco and liquor industries are controlled, so that the user is protected (I don't use those products either). I worked in the Liquor industry in my youth, and the guy from customs and excise was there at least 3 times a week. The same protection should be offered to addicts. I'm not saying one should be able to buy dangerous drugs at the local supermarket, but they should be available to those who take them in as safe a condition as possible and at a reasonable price. I doubt there's a perfect solution, but we could do a lot better than we are at present.
It is in the states
@@GiveMeaFuckingBreakDude What are you smoking?
Oh, if only I were a Heroin addict. Then I could appreciate the science of this at a more personal level. The very true danger of a very little knowledge. YT you demon teacher!! I just subscribed.
Why are you being so skeptical Rick?
Don't try it if you haven't and are wanting to 'experiment'.
1000s of others will agree.
@@Tricklarock
Thanks. It isn't really on my radar. Just being a smart a$$. My mother always said I was a natural at it. Truthfully though, the idea of using citric in combo with it is fascinating from a chem reaction standpoint.
It's been almost ten years and I can still smell it thru the screen.
Same my heart's pounding mouth's dry af and I can taste it in the back of my throat
It's been 22 years
It's been almost ten hours, and I really feel worst as I see that through the screen!
i've been sober for 6 months now and this video gives me anxiety and so much cravings. sober now all thanks to suboxone. if it weren't for that program i would still be using, or worse, dead.
@@pancake1751 Nice, how & how often did u use heroin? And how much of suxobone are/were u taking daily? :) thanks
You shouldn’t watch videos about Heroin if you’re a former addict.
recreational users only lol
This shits giving me goosebumps. I used for over 12 years. Hell of a drug.
Makes me shudder watching this. 8 years iv use and 13 years of opiate use with 4 years clean this November.
Makes me really want to try it. I tried meth but it didn’t get me
@@MustObeyTheRules Don't. Trust me.
Me too. Glad you found your way out.
I'm 5 years in recovery and this makes me wanna shoot it and taste the flowery taste I would get after injection.
And get those little raised bumps that would happen on the skin above the injection site...
Ugh, I want it so bad but know nobody anymore and my receptors are blocked off
According to this video, a 10 'British Pound Sterling' bag of heroin contains 3 x as much pure heroin as your average street bag. The average amount of powder in a bag is somewhere around 100mg's, but it's purity is only about 30%, or 30mg's. 30mg's of pure heroin is actually a good dose, and even enough to result in overdose for people with a reduced tolerance. The amount of pure heroin in a bag can be as little as 5mg's, or as high 50mg. Your average, seasoned vet will inject 75 to 150mg's of pure heroin, or 300mg's of powder (100mg heroin + 200mg cut).
And in America your seasoned vet will shoot probably 1000 mg of heroin or a gram maybe even more to get maybe even a little high but that might just be enough to get them well considering most of our shit is cut with fentanyl and so according to the chart that would say fentanyl is 50 times more potent than heroin they might need 5 g of heroin to get high or well I should say
Pure? Lmfao. Everything is cut at the manufacturing level, nothing is pure don't be naive. You would be damn lucky to get something that's 20% pure.
@@frankh.3849 Quote me. Quote where I said street heroin is pure. Go ahead!
My point is no drug or pure. It's cut at the manufacturing level then stepped on and cut at the trafficking level then cut and stepped on at the distribution level and then stepped on at the street level.
@@frankh.3849 If you have 100 milligrams of powdered 'heroin' from the streets, you essentially only have about 30% "pure" heroin. In other words, 30% purity. 30% purity literally means only 30% is "pure heroin". The other 70% is cut. No one is attempting to label the entire thing pure, only it's percentage- you're just not digesting it.
excellent demonstration and explanation summarized very simply and easily understood TY
It's weird in the United States you don't have to add citric to the heroine. The first time I was in England strung out on heroin on tour with my band. I scored some heroin for the first time. I took it to where I was staying and tried to hook it up and it wouldn't break down. So I thought I got ripped off and threw the stuff away in the garbage can where I was Stan and went to go out and try to find some more stuff that was real. I came across this musician that I know who lives in the area. He took me to the same exact place that I got the heroin from the first time. We go back to his apartment and start cooking it up. And it was the same thing it wasn't breaking down. Then my friend asked me if I needed any citric. I totally didn't know what he was talking about. But then he explained to me what you have to do to the heroin in the United Kingdom and and Europe. So a lot of American junkies who watch this video. They are not going to understand why you even need citric the breakdown the hit of heroin
Yeah I've never used citric for heroin, but used to use it for fentanyl patches. Weird.
@@joet81 you used it with the fentanyl patches? You talking about the transdermal? I used to just take those and squeeze the gel that's in them into a spoon on ADD cold water and they would breakdown fine. After being on tour and England when I was a junkie and found out about having to use citric to break down the heroin. In New York and Washington DC once in awhile I would get this stuff and it would never break down. The people who would snort dope. They would talk about how good this shit was. But if you were a shooter. The quinine or chloroquine which is basically the same as quinine at is the same stuff that is curing covid. That is used for cut and that would be the only thing that would break down. And what would be left in this would be these little brown crumbs that wouldn't break down at all. So after learning about citric. When I got that kind of dope all's I need to basically use was some lime or lemon juice. Cuz also I found out that when you don't have that trick you can use lemon juice or lime and it would work just as well. I had this friend that would shoot cocaine. When he couldn't find cocaine to make a speedball with his heroine. You could always find crack cocaine. He would always use vinegar which is acidic acid one of the processes extracting the alkaloids in the process of making heroin. Back here what use vinegar to break down the baking soda that was into the crack cocaine. Then the second time I was in England on tour with my band. I got high with this one dude and he didn't use the citric because when you did use the citric it was a painful shot. Even if you hit a vein. It still Burns for like a minute. So she would use vinegar instead of citric to break down the heroin that was gas in the United Kingdom and in Europe. Basically all the heroin got you have to use citric is the stuff that comes from Afghanistan. And basically most of the heroine in the West Coast which is black car heroin. Well actually not anymore what they have now it's still black car. That basically it's just a morphine codeine base. When people shoot it now they experienced that feeling of pins and needles. They stink nowadays that if they don't feel that pins and needles that's adults not really that good. But when you are feeling that pins and needles feeling that's because the certain alkaloid hasn't been cooked out which it probably means that it's just a morphine codeine base. It still has several more processes to go through to actually become heroin. Go watch CZcams video called heroin holiday in the Czech Republic. Watch with those guys do. So all that right now that's in the west coast is coming from Mexico. The stuff on the East Coast. There's about 15% coming from Afghanistan which is basically the same stuff that the United Kingdom and Europe get. But there is one more process done so basically you don't have to use the citric to break it down. Then the other 85% of heroin that came into the East Coast was coming from El Salvador and surrounding countries. It was weird being a jockey in a band and touring the world sampling all the difference types of heroin. Nowadays there's really nothing good anywhere. I'm here in Washington State where in the 90s the car was really good but still realistic only at about 10%. Then you would go to the East Coast and the worst stuff that you would get would be 75% pure. When I lived on the east coast and would travel back home to Washington State and bring dope from Washington DC or New York. I couldn't share it with anybody because they would basically overdose. The difference between the coast back then was crazy. But now really the dope on the west coast like I said it's basically just a morphine codeine t a r baase. It is at about 5%. And the best thing you're going to get on the East Coast now there's basically maybe 10 for 15% at the best. Oh yeah and Philadelphia always had the best anywhere. But all these people are dying an adult is nothing like it was when I was an active junky in the early and mid 90s. Like once in awhile I'll fuck around and everybody talks about how awesome and strong it is going to cost more money. But like I said here on the West Coast this crap and it's not even real heroine the crazy thing the job I have now is actually testing the different Purity levels of that heroin that cops seized in drug bust. They have really no idea of my junkie past.. I I get to test and research every type of drug. I get to grow psilocybin mushrooms that are being tested and used for mental health research. It's like a dream job for an ex drug addict. Even though now for many years I can keep a control on things and Sample every once in awhile. I've had this job for 6 years now and I don't ever want to lose it. Most Eric's would be in heaven to have my job and get to do all the things I get to do in the name of research with drugs. Like the last couple months of my job my assignment is to basically find out of all these different things that you can extract DMT. Like the last couple days I've been extracting out of animal bones
@@thomas-rs1vb that's freaking crazy man!!! Very cool job!! I like shrooms for micro dosing and occasionally macro. Bought some dmt recently but I haven't done much of it yet. I have no idea that I could be extracted from animal bones! Yes, we used to use citric or vinegar with our transdermal fentanyl patches, but they were not the ones that had gel in them. They are just a clear sticker that we would cut strips off of. Man, that pins and needles feeling is the worst feeling ever! I always hated that feeling when I would do a morphine tablet if I couldn't find hydromorph. It would turn my face completely red and give me the worst headache! I never did much heroin because it was really hard to find where I'm from and mostly garbage ! Congratulations on being clean man. I know firsthand what a struggle it is trying to stay clean. It feels like it will always be a problem for me. If you can sample every once in awhile and it doesn't bother you then all the power to you. I live in Southern Ontario and everybody is doing fentanyl powder around here or Crystal. So many more people on the streets and with mental health issues than there used to be.
@@thomas-rs1vb sounds like you got some pretty cool stories man!
@@thomas-rs1vb lol what, i need a person like you in my life.
That was an awesome story
hi, this film was made for people who live in the UK and Europe (mainly) where the heroin is brown powder heroin that is made for smoking - heroin here doesn't dissolve in water, unless an acid is used.
what if it was heorin citrate?
Most heroin available in the UK and Europe comes in the freebase form. This makes it very good for smoking, but also makes it incredibly insoluble in water. The citric acid is added to change the heroin from Diacetylmorphine freebase to diacetylmorphine citrate - a salt form, which is then water soluble and suitable for IV usage.
Freebase is Freebase cocaine (crack). Different things. Citric is added because heroin is an alkaloid and although water soluble will not effectively enter the blood stream IV unless an acid component is used. You can smoke brown heroin as is because it has a lower boiling point than water so will not just burn up when heat is applied. Purer, white heroin is harder to smoke and will probably burn when heated and so is more often injected or snorted. There is no Freebase solution in regards to heroin though. Freebase cocaine is freeing the base coke of the product. Essentially washing out the impurities and hardening the solution into a smoke able rock.
If there's anyways you could please answer this? I'm using fentanyl and we're finding that it physically is burning in our veins,but I findif I use alkaline water and more it tends not to be as bad. Do you/would you know what's happening here? It's of good quality and seems to break down clear with a blue tint,very light as it is in solid form as well.
When she weighed the satchet, didnt put the torn off top on the scale. Improper experiment.
Nicolas chase Good spot Nicolas, - filming science isn't easy, and we didn't have the budget for lots of cameras so the experiment was done several times from different angles and edited together... But Dr Scott is a proper scientist, and the numbers are all correct ;-)
Sorry... Shouldnt have jumped to conclusions. Interesting video. Thanks for replying :)
@@nicolaschase2187 the sachet would have how many grams or what not wrote on it... so im sure she had the numbers like a childs teething sachet..
Pure diacetylmorphine morphine is very soluble in water brown # 3 still very soluble but more heat is needed. Back in the 70’Persian also tanish brown we used lemon juice to increase solubility. The lack a good cook or no Acetyl anhydride Improper isolation of morphanins from crude opium etc. bulking = cut. A tenth and a third if pure very hefty hit. Oh for the old days of 4 elephant brand with empirical purity stamped on the keys 99 to 103% pure!!
@@gregparro8233 excuse me, but 103%???
Great! Thanks guys, I’m off to cop some nice relaxing smack now.
Can I go fore the ride
I considered not watching due to that
Great video very informative. I'm a big advocate for harm reduction.
@666yanco we do put harm reduction messages on our sachets, but there isn't room for the full description of what people should do and why... hence the video.
very informational, thank you!
Great video, the hard thing is disseminating this information without it getting distorted. Thank you for your time in providing this, its easy to understand and will do a great job at reducing harm. im not a IV user but have a lot of respect for harm reduction and those that promote it. One of the main reasons why heroin is bad is the culture we live in and regulations. adulterated drugs common, pharmacological knowledge on the streets is non existent, but hopefully that will change.
Very Well Spoken!!!
@@dickhedd8490 Thanks chap' Hey, I Knew of an Australian, True Name was Richard Head. in Wangrieter ? am jst saying. as they say.
Wangereta ? I Cant Spell it.
This was commented 7 years ago and was a very rare and isolated opinion. Today it is very common and will continue go be eventually leading to better laws hopefully puting an end to the war on people oh i mean war on drugs.
That's right, prohibition creates more problems than the drugs ever could
I'm all for harm reduction, but I still think including that intravenous is one of the more dangerous ROA's at the beginning in terms of accidental overdoses for recreational users, and other routes are advised over it for this reason. Nearly Impossible to die from smoking, you simply pass out before you get to the stopping breathing point.
IV is only dangerous because of an unregulated black market, if it was legal and regulated and users knew exactly the purity and amount, and needs and sterile water were readily available, it wouldn't be anymore dangerous than in a hospital setting
@@post-leftluddite people who wanna get high are gonna get high no matter the cost
There is no recreational injection use.
I smoked for quite awhile. People turn to i.v. for both economic reasons, and because of tolerance, smoking just doesn't cut it after awhile.
So due to tolerance, you have to use so much that the money part will always come at the same time.
Are you dissolving any cut or impurities that you do not want to draw up and inject? Toss looks like a controlled lab experiment with much cleaner h then bought otherwise.
will adding citric acid to other synthetic opiates such as fentanyl also create more hydrocarbons and purify the drug and increase the strength or does it just even it out and make for more steady dose?
hi, the colour of blood isn't always that different - if you've got pain and pressure behind the blood, then you're in an artery, even if it looks the same colour as usual.
lords of afan why are you so angry
@@stella-vu8vh Because he worships the devil, wants to see people suffer & die.
@@lordsofafan372 It's harm reduction, something demented governments won't do
That's crazy! Here in the USA I've only ever seen/heard about people using regular water (just add water to the H & heat it up like in this video minus the acid). I only heard about people doing it this way not too long ago via the Internet, haha. It's pretty cool to actually see how it's done with the citric acid though! Thanks for the cool video & info! :)
It's usually a different kind of heroin found in USA, number 4 which is soluble in water. Whereas in the UK you almost exclusively get number 3.
I've only heard of people doing this to shoot crack. Never H. Just water & H & cook. Draw out with a needle & always use a cotton.
@@ItsAvees Yes, in the USA they get it from Mexico I think, while in Europe it's mostly from Afghanistan, supporting the Taliban and other similar groups, that probably look at it as a weapon to use against the infidel, that they also make money from. A lot of money.
White heroin does not need citric acid, the brown does. If the brown heroin is pure enough it can also be mixed with a couple of drops of lemon.
By adding citric to base heroin will it cinvert it to heroin hydrochloride? And if you dehydrated the powder would it be heroin hcl and citric aka could you insulfate it
So how can you tell if it's cut with fentanyl? I'm in canada and it's really bad here!
Question: Once the heroin is de-clumped and fully dissolved by the citric, will it re-clump if the citric is then neutralized by a mild base? That way you would be injecting heroin and a salt solution mixture rather than heroin in an acidic solvent.
No. You would have to be very basic, at which point you would instantly burn your blood vessels and possibly risk other serious health effects. The entire point of adding citric acid is to form a citrate salt of the freebase, to make it water soluble so that it dissolves. Stick with the instructions in the video and you will be far better off.
I don't think anyone would be that eager to spend more time away from their shot.
@@OrangeCopperTop if it rocks your socks harder, you would be surprised.
If the diacetyl morphine is free base, it isn't likely to dissolve at all. Most street forms are the sulfate salt. Since the sulfate anion is diprotic, it can theoretically dissolve two equivalents of a base. In practice, this is usually extended to more basic which is why it won't dissolve easily. Undissolved product can cause emboli and will greatly delay the intended effect. To maximize the effect, some use a bit of sulfuric acid before filtering the solution through a tuft of cotton.
Sulfate is a strong acid in the first proton donation, the second is quite a bit more acidic than the first proton donation of citric acid at room temperature.
Using citric acid is far safer than adding sulfuric acid, especially for recreational use. The Krebs Cycle is the basis for energy generation in the body, it is also called the citric acid cycle. The buffering effect of the blood is well suited to metabolism of this acid, not so much with sulfate. And citric acid inhibits clotting, far better than sclerosing the lumen of the chosen vein.
@@keithjurena9319 sulfuric acid?
There IS a visual difference. The first one has gritty bits and the second has crystalline shards
Damn, 2.5 is harsh..
Glad to see people taking the time to show how to now wreck all of your veins. Very vital part of the body, and they will close up in places high ph is introduced at.
its literally showing how to not wreck ypur veins
@@lxLanarchyxl that’s what he said
She straight stirred it with the cap🤣🤣🤣
Yeah thats what most drug addicts do it has just come out of a sterile packet .
smaller sachets then eh?
That's a hell of a lesson. : )
Which i can the Street heroin clean from the trash what they make inside? it goes into the air tube at the back of the mouth and you have to cough constantly. so how can you take the trash from street heroin? But you still have to be able to smoke it on aluminum foil afterwards, certain extenders can be removed with cold water, you just have to dry it well afterwards.
@andytsa the problem with lemons is that there's a candidal fungus that can grows on the lemon when it's on the tree that can survive, and get into the lemon juice, when injected the fungus can grow in the back of the eye, causing problems with sight and even blindness.
ughh greatest job ever?
The key is not being a dope fiend.
@@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917 the key is have pure heroin like them and shoot that dope than refill with same color li uid
Great info. Personally I've never gone down that road of using the big scary H, but if I ever do, thanks for the info :)
Don't brotha I was on opiods for8 yrs I'm 2 1/2 yrs clean I never used needles tho but now days u can get on subs or methadone makes it easier
Well please, please don't man. Fuck opioids!
I heard about this years ago, but this is the first time I have seen the video!
I live in the third world, is there a way to add acid from a lemon? because we don't have those fancy citric acid in powder.
I dont know why I watch these things I have been clean for twenty years but still crave it.
i hear you brother...i get the exact same feeling too...its a way of coping, better off watching then doing i suppose, but i also think it comes down to the genetics...you spend so much time getting loaded, that your body literally changes and rewires so it becomes expected...even when you finally kick, your body will remember forever because its written in permanently into your brain and even dna...
bit thats just a thought
Me too
@@Deicide-xi5eo we just have to tate it one day at a time friend. We got this.
@@chaosreigns7386 Yea, I think it's important to have something to focus yourself, something that motivates you, not always easy..
Diamorphine has a ton of uses and it should be prescribed by doctors in the US although because of laws in the early 1900s its illegal to consume, buy or possess
+DMAN4u2 diacetylmorphine
+Evamael yep correctamundo i certainly fell short of the proper term
+DMAN4u2 both are widely used. Both are 'correct'.
It’s used in the UK a lot on prescription- mainly as a nasal spray for children and given to women in labour.
@@ChickenPermissionOG diamorphine is an acceptable term for diacetylmorphine they're the same thing
Do you really need to heat it over a candle when adding the citric acid? Doesn't that make more cutting agents dissolve into the solution? To my eye it looks like the citric acid starts dissolving right away even without heat...?
Is there some way to make the heroin solution less acidic? Can I add some other chemical to the solution? So the PH level becomes more neutral.
when you watch a piece about the legalisation of Marihuana : No one: … CZcams: So you are interested in Heroin!
Portland, OR viewers.
CZcams wants to see you and your family drug addicted, homeless and dying in a gutter... and they think it's funny.
Got my heart going... Fantastic work calmly teaching harm reduction, a bit brave as well I imagine. Kudos.
There is a problem in your brain buddy.
@@ruebenmikoch1828
I don’t know mate, my reference to heart rate is to highlight the fact that those types of nasty habits never quite let you go (a silly ‘in’ joke perhaps).
The rest is about not being okay with people being harmed for the sake of ideology and ill considered scorn.
Alcohol is awful (my regular) but it would be more dangerous if not regulated, as it isn’t, say, in some parts of Subcontinental/SE Asia.
If criminalisation doesn’t stop the availability of drugs (and it doesn’t), why not minimise harm?
Begood.
QUESTION
i iv smack since 1999.9out10 times i use plain lemons.
99percent of all junkies i know also use lemons cause there are always easier to find.is it true that lemon sugars form crystals inside our streams blocking our veins even quicker?
From what I understand one can buy filter syringes for harm reduction that take out the bulking agents and plant material, have I understood that right?
yes, at Exchange Supplies we sell the french sterifilt range that all remove particles, and one that even removes bacteria!
I’m thinking this chick may have a little “informal” experience with Heroin.
I don’t know she sure did use the cap to stir it with …
Right?!
I’m just curious, but like EXACTLY what kind of lab do you work at??? And also, what is the lab’s name? And where is it located at exactly ? Like the name of the street and country and zip code and building number and all that.... and is there like any armed security at this lab or anything like that...? Or even the police always there ?? And do the doors be locked all day long 24/7 ? OR could anyone just open the doors and come inside? Do you need a key card to go thru certain doors at all? And like also how are you EXACTLY storing that heroin? Is it kept under lock and key? And if so then where would that key be located at? But if not then where is it exactly stored? Is it in a well regulated temperature area that’s not all humid that could possibly ruin the product...I mean the HEROIN...? And also I’m guessing that there most likely a bunch of other drugs being stored inside this lab as well, so what would those drugs be? And where could I borrow one of those nice white lab coats you got on there ? Sorry if I’m asking a ton of questions, I’m just naturally a VERY VERY curious person... that’s all. I just enjoy learning about as much as I possibly can. Even like learning about blue-prints... so speaking of blue-prints, ummm, where exactly would I be able to find them for this exact lab? Cause I might want to build a lab just like that one day, so like I’d really like to use your lab as maybe a guide or something like that. And I know that you didn’t waist that shot even tho you put a ton of acid in it, we all know you just went into the cabinet and grabbed more heroin inside with the acid so that it would level itself all out and would have a bunch more of the liquid to do shots for the rest of the day! Plus you never gotta worry about being dope sick for one since you work there! And two I already KNOW that you be NEVER EVER be calling off work and be missing ANY DAYS AT ALL!!! And I bet you even work overtime too everyday and that you even come in on your off days too and do more “work”. Seeee I know your game! But back to a couple questions I have, is there any cameras in or around this labs? If their is then what exactly are they able to see? Is the storage cabinet with all those fine samples that you have in their under video surveillance 24/7 too? I guess it doesn’t matter tho cause it’s still COVID season so everyone’s wearing a mask 24/7 anyways! And last question, is your lab hiring as well? I’m looking for a position in such a fine establishment that you are working at there! I don’t even care how much your paying, I still want a job. Even if it’s below minimum wage of $12 per hour right now! But if your offering to pay me MORE then that $12 an hour wage then I 1000% accept it for sure !!! So as soon as you can get all those details for I’d appreciate that very much! I was asking most of the questions for my friend tho......and myself as well! I mean....like....kinda ....myself. Well yeah mostly myself... alright I was asking for myself ! Damn... you didn’t have to go and squeeze it out of me like that! Sheesh!
You good bro?
What about Vit c or ascorbic acid? Does this have similar effects when using too much?
it can, but as it takes more powder to achieve the same change in PH people tend to use less... the advice is always use as little as possible to dissolve the drugs. Overall VitC is probably a safer choice.
So is this an equivalent to black tar in the United states? because with #3 heroin we can just heat it and it disolves
What would happen if you added bicarb (after dissolving your gear) to balance the ph and ultimately save your veins?
Anyone?
I'll test it out for you in my lab, just send me some smack I'll get the bi-carb I'll let you know how i went .
@@JamesGamesBrainsSane4839 fuken hilarious mate. How's being funny working out for ya?
Im actually asking a serious question about harm minimization. In short, im trying to get some advice on how to help save my sisters life. You keep working on those corkers though mate, I'm sure you'll crack it soon enough.
@@chrisglen3624 Im guessing it would neutralize the excess citric acid but your only adding another chemical to the mix and I dont know for sure how the protonated diamorphine or anyother impurity would react with it. I would say the videos advice of using the citric acid lightly is probly not a bad shout
From what I've read, it seems that simply adding more water, i. e. using a high volume, dilute injections, unlike most people do, might actually help.
My theory is that that would help to avoid blasting your veins with that acidic solution while injecting the same amount of stuff.
But I'm no doctor and I've never tried H so I don't have any personal experience to back up that theory with.
I've been off dope for years but I'd made me want to cry to see this wasted.
That shit is probably that kill you over their close to the source to
@@codyreynolds6333 what? That made 0 sense
@@offlinevids2310 that kill you means fire good strong if you kill a few people its good smack it closer to Afghanistan amd veitnam then the fentinyl laced shit in America the mexicans grow
@@offlinevids2310 he’s saying it’s the “shit that will kill you”. It’s so pure that it will make you go bye bye. It made sense, stop being an asshole. Also I don’t even use heroin but I know that this type of heroin is very rare or maybe even mostly doesn’t exist anymore. Its all changes to fake fentanyl and this type of heroin is classic Afghanistan 90% purity + grade AAAA
@@Speedster189 China and Mexico are to thank for our fentinyl problem around the world
Does anyone know how to tell if your tar has been cut with shoe polish??
Very good now how much is the max you can break down and get into the needle at 1 time? Say like 100 dollars worth heroin. Can it be broke down into 1 needle like here?
Thank you Andrew for providing the info on harm reduction. Sorry that so many of the people are leaving ignorant comments, but hey at least it boosts your engagement!
Were you expecting Poet laureates? Not a lot of highly educated people out there need heroin harm reduction information.
@@Bettinasisrg being highly educated makes a person immune from addiction? wow,cool,i never knew. they should do something about that. if its that simple we could change the world by making sure every person gets "highly educated". are you highly educated?
To hate something like that and spending so much money on it is heavy. Stay strong/ halve way through the worse 5 days in, soon I sleep for more then 3 minutes.
I hope you made it through & are able to stay off of this slave maker
Yea but it’s hard to know when it is enough or not. So it’s hard to know when to stop adding citric at times if the gear is kinda dirty
@ontariobuds hi, the fungus that can grow on lemons, and then infect injectors are candidal yeast infections... i think there's a number of related organisms that can infect people.
I'm 5 years clean I would probably relapse on some Laboratory grade REAL pure H... But I'm glad its all fake ass fent now because I wouldnt touch that death powder!
5 years! That's awesome!! I'm at 6 months for the first time since 1992 - never been sober in my adult life!
@@chuckamucksc I know it probably doesn't mean much because you don't know me but hang in there man you can do it my story is similar to yours it took at least a year before I started to sleep again and to just generally function like a normal person but I did it and it feels awesome you got this man it's all about will power so be strong
@@chicorodriguez3964 it means more than you might know - thanks friend! It does get easier with time!!
Stay the course Brother! 5 years here Also! Made myself a Promise and I have kept it!
I've never heard of using citric and I live in Portland Oregon. The heroin we get here is dark brown or black. I just ordered filters online two different kinds to try to get the heroin filtered better.
Hi, my friends moved there years ago because of the good stuff and lots of it. Heard it's pretty much decriminalized now. That's great. Where does it come from? Ca it's tar not powder.
Everything west of the Mississippi is usually going to be Mexican brown, and everything east of it is going to be Colombian. Not always, but generally speaking
The reason is your heroin has only got to what is called the number 2stage in Britain we get number 3 which is brown powder to make number 4 you need ether which would be white heroin.
You don't use citric with tar
Jenson Dogg But the gunpowder works best with it
Why doesn’t ANYONE tell where to get citric acid and what kind to buy??
go to exchangesupplies dot org : we sell sterile sachets of citric and ascorbic acid.
Why on earth do so many girls pick the grey and aqua Baby-G watch (I saw it on the scientists wrist).. so many girls I see have it hey but I have almost all of the other Baby-G ones but not the grey.. Go figure hey?? I do not use drugs or anything but would it not be a good idea to put the right amounts of the citric acid in the water??
Such good grade stuff! I'm on the west coast of the United States and all you can find is black tar heroin cut with fentanyl. I quit a few years back...if I told you I don't miss it, that would be a lie. 🌺
Brown heroin is purest i see a lot of idiots here talking bout how white is purest and this chunky heroine is trash. White heroine is almost 100% not actual heroine, maybe a bit of heroine and everything else is paracetamol or some other cheap opiate
Hi Mia. It has been many years since I used heroin. I use Suboxone now. If I could access pure legal heroin, I would prefer it. Just being honest too.
@@lauracornwell9129 I hear you. Someone gave me three blues last week. I cut them into doses so small, so tiny. I used it to lift my depression, my pain, anxiety and it lifted my brain fog. I was able to get a lot done. Almost like a reset. Now I'll be fine for weeks, til the next time I feel it all built up again, crippling me. I hate to have to medicate myself but there's no other help. I'm in a waiting cue to get a therapist. Good luck to everyone struggling, whatever you're struggling with. I think we all are, if we're honest.
@@miapdx503 Cannabis Edibles boast me. As well as help with sleep. And pain. And the times I read to much news. A big hug to all.
@@lauracornwell9129 yes, the news is now a fear inducing, bizzare place to visit. We have to guard our minds, our hearts...weed is a godsend. Be safe everyone, very careful. So many things at work against us. 🌺
Do you have a video on using vit c not citric? I found it takes slightly more to break it down, not much more just a little shake of the packet. Really good to see an emphasis on harm reduction rather than just shouting at people not to do it.
Hi, glad you liked the video/what we do - I'm afraid we don't have a video of vitC: you're exactly right it takes more powder to get the same effect, but it works in the same way. It's probably safer, because there's a greater margin for error, and it's easier to add more slowly.
It's generally acknowledged to be safer for that very reason. I don't know a single user in this city who chooses Citric over Vit C from the exchange.
in iran and afganistan u dont need citric acid or heat yet this doesnt clumb it just desolves.
Usually a few grains of citric acid is all that is needed here.
whats the difference in the different types?
isnt brown less refined and contains more morphine base and opium itself?
I have no expierence with herion from what I have seen mostly on tv is them adding water and heating it then they draw it through a piece of cotton or something as a filter why is that and she didn't use any type of filter so does that mean that if you add the citric its not nessesary to use a filter???what dictates how much water to use??? I have a ton of questions but for now I will keep it to just these.thanke
since no one was going to inject himself there was no need to filter the liquid. But, yes, if you are going to inject it, by all means, filter it before.
weve moved onto Ascorbic Acid Vitamin C in UK
Citric acid, ascorbic acid and Vitamin C are the same, so you in the UK moved nowhere. But I still don't know why this video showed up between recommended videos on CZcams.
in the UK heroin can still be administered by a doctor am I correct? I don't know as of this hour or today but from as far as I know
leigh husker yep it’s commonly prescribed here - mainly for children as a nasal spray.
Good nasal spray!
@@roro-mm7cc children wtf? thought that was 100yr ago, when they still thought heroin was a good,free alternative to morphine 😂😂
@@bekeneel I mean it would only be used in extreme scenarios for very acute pain. E.g Someone with terminal cancer or if they had super severe physical injuries.
What about black tar heroin?? Do you add citric to it?
So why do you not issue smaller sachets?
Shit all those years of addiction and I was doing it wrong the whole damn time.
hate seeing the waste
I know right
stillborn
Totally
is for the best:) in my new group they say "one time is too much, one thousand is not enough".
stillborn That wasn't waste, it was a good education.
Right
Exchange supplies, I'm curious as to why you don't supply micron filters (0.22u for example, rather than the sterifilt filters) for people that may like to filter pill binders & bacteria?
If the amount of citric acid in a sachet is far more than you would need, why don't they put the actual amount you would need (20mg for example) for your average £10 bag? They could write on the sachet 'this is enough for the average £10 bag' and users could make an informed decision about what to do.
Thank you for this video.. I'm always telling my mate that he doesn't need to use a full sachet just to dissolve 1 bag but he won't listen. Even after seeing how much citric i use he still usee a full sachet. I can now show him this video.
When I was in Portugal we had to put lemon juice on the dope to break it down just like this
In Portugal you can get that same spoons and citric + anything else you need for IV, in bela Vista from 1030am to 1230 At the white van outside the exit without the stairs
For free
They do that over here in America to but instead of the citric they give you bleach to clean your works
I love chemistry.
Hey guys, seeing as you are still commenting I assume the same procedure is still used for rectal use right? If so do you know if the level of acidity is damaging to the walls of the rectum and also what the particular bioavailability of this route of administration is in comparison to intravenous use?
Sorry about all the questions, thank you for your time.
hi, yes, it's the same preparation protocol for rectal administration... it's just the reason to use as little acid as possible is to minimise damage to the delicate lining of the rectum. Definite risks of ulceration and infection with repeated rectal use. We don't really know if these are worse than injecting, they're probably not. but the balance will depend on the risk of blood borne viruses if injecting.
Bioavailability ranges from awesome equivalent to injecting to 'I can't believe I listened to you, that was a total waste of drugs' ;-) ...I think that being constipated can mean that not all the drug ends up in the blood stream, but there can also be differences between individuals in circulation, and absorption.
certainly if you have drugs in a syringe, and can't find a vein, and can remove the needle, then it's a safer option than 'digging' for a vein, and better in terms of avoidance of withdrawals than throwing away the drug.
@@ExchangeSupplies Thanks for the prompt response guys. Now there's one little part I may be able to slightly teach you:
The area of most effect for rectal administration of substances tends to be the anal columns which is sort of a hard spot to gauge when going for this sort of thing and if you go too deep then yes being constipated will effect it but, if you manage to get it in that specific spot, there should be no fecal matter in the way at all. Of course it'd be ideal to have passed before doing this or to use an enema or something but, if done correctly, then fecal matter should not effect it!!
Thank you guys for responding so promptly.
Now, a follow-up question or two:
Would this same reaction happen without heat being applied? The video states to speed up the reaction so maybe that'd a redundant question.
How about intranasal use? is it effective at all without this process happening? Is there a simular process that can be done to improve bioavailability with this method of consumption?
And finally : does it matter what citric acid is used? Once upon a time I ended up ordering a kilogram of citric acid from a wholesale food company by mistake... I used this multiple times and if felt.. off compared to the sachets.
Thank you guys so much again, keep on reducing harm! hope
@@nucleja yep, you're right... but as a former nurse I never under-estimate the amount of fecal matter that can be in a rectum! ;-) ...that caveat came from a place of working out why rectal administration hadn't worked for people. I think it's likely that without heat, some of the heroin might remain undissolved, and/or need more acid to get it to dissolve.
Intranasal definitely works, especially if you have no tolerance. Bioavailability can be increased by ensuring a fine powder, and snorting high into the nasal cavity (although it's not a great taste).
...food vs pharmaceutical citric don't think is actually any different: it's a highly antibacterial medium, so we wouldn't expect food grade to lead to extra harm.
Andrew.
well this is what clean heroin should look like. I've had bags of those that when you cooked it up there was white and black stuff floating on the surface of the heroin solution and the filter was cover in what looked like ashes once I threw it out. Fascinating to see how she takes such care in adding citric, because you only need so little and using too much can be painful on the veins and skin.
She seems to know what she's doing...
+George Carpelan Yeah, couldn't see her pupils. Bet they were pinned, or as my friends mother used to say: "way too much blue in your eyes!"
+Charlie Franz she's on the horse
+George Carpelan Cause she is a chemist.
Maybe to somebody who doesn't(know what they're doing/looking at). . .
I am in no way insulting her knowledge, she seems very knowledgeable, and I expect the same in return, that nobody insult My knowledge that I've gained from 1st hand experience & research, not from the internet like many of the people watching this. I'm just saying I can tell she's not very experienced with heroin by the way she handles the cooker (so carefully and slowly) that she's not really experienced in making shots( injections as she calls them) and also it's not an injection, until you inject it. Until then it's a SOLUTION, come on shes a chemist she should know this ! Back to my point, I'd she had experience she could of made that shot in 15 secs,no joke, and most likely w/out the citric, I can't say for sure but I've got dope that looks nearly identical to sample in vid and I just need to add water and heat then mix (which Seth doesn't even attempt I'm guessing she didn't even try mixing!)and it dissolves in secs enough to make a shot. Now granted it may not be fully disolve
I don't know why I just watched this, I never did or plan to do this stuff. It ruins a life. For those who found a way to get away, Congrats! Stay strong!
Same! Lmao it just showed up randomly in my feed and I clicked it not realizing exactly what it was. I never have done it, and I never will do it. I just don't see why people want to do this kind of stuff to themselves, but I am glad some people do get out of it.
Thanks! And keep that mindset!
Im wondering why she didn't use another 130mg of the drug with the 70units of water and then use the whole sachet of citric acid? That to me would show more of an accurate difference between using the whole sachet and using just 20mg but i am also the furthest thing from a chemist. Just curious is all
Hi do u know measurements on how to make heroin? I need to to know how much double to put to a gram of morphine
Any acid? Also malic acid or liquid acetic possible?
Also way more citric then I'd use. Too much and you're going to wreck your veins hard
A couple of drops works.
Citric acid is added to heroin #3. Black tar is the most inferior type of heroin available and the highest quality heroin is #4 which is a refined version of #3 via chloroform.
#4 is the shit that makes you pass out but #3 is the high that keeps you nodding and makes you have a dreamy high where you will enjoy it way more because it has alkaloids that weren't removed. #3 can also be smoked off foil but #4 needs mannitol or caffeine added for it to burn correctly.
I was 35 years on this nightmare, if you heated it with just the water it would've dissolved completely, I don't understand why citric is needed, anyone reading this, do yourself the best favor to yourself and never use this junk, it steals your soul.
Does anyone know what the citric acid stuff they use is called? Or where to get something EXACTLY like it here in the U.S.? Any help is much appreciated! Thanks! Xx
hi, it's pharmaceutical grade Citric acid anhydrous that is sterilised... you probably can't get anything exactly like it - i.e. sterilised - in the US but food grade citric acid sold by pharmacies and stores for making lemonade etc., will do the same job better than lemon juice or vinegar. We (exchange supplies) can send sachets (and needles/syringes) to the US too
it anhydride it's like vinegar but way stronger it's acid, I'm not sure if you can get in USA, but pretty sure I can get for in Russian, that's how people in Russia do heroin using poppy and anhydride!
+exchangesupplies.org Thanks, I appreciate the info! I will check out the site as well! :)
+Sean Nishan Oh ok! Thank you for the info I appreciate it :) Here in the USA I've only ever seen people use regular water, I never heard of heroin that needed citric acid to dissolve until a little while ago lol. I guess that's pretty common for heroin overseas I heard?
Izabelle Christine ill send you some from England. message me dappakappa@gmail.com
I bet that was some pure h. Oh man that amber colour is so nice. I wish I had access to unlimited 100% diacetylmorphine
Well DUH and I also want a harem of top paid pornstars at my beck and call but hey......so much for want
They make it themselves most likely, or buy it illegally from China like every other Canadian and English lab (america is a bit different they really get everything from everywhere there isn't a main supplier, it's probably why america is so fucked.)
@ 2:45 imaging injecting that shit loool. talk about heavy nods for dayyysss!!!
Malefic Hestia ya that was a fat shot
I do that in 2 shots half gram shots! I pay $120 for 2 grams New Orleans. The mean green fentanyl you don't need citric either.
@@johnclinete6193 you mean 'mean green death'?
But if you know what you're getting, I guess you can dose accordingly?
That looked like good quality base!! 120mg is a big taste, wonder what they did with what they mixed up:)
You know damn well what she did with it. Look at those eyes.
@@Bhatt_Hole You're an idiot
It all depends on the gear & what it’s cut with.
This make my heart jackhammer!
Nobody likes a junkie, especially a LIMEY junkie.
@@seanwatts8342 lol whats limey lol
@@nascarspankin2128 It's on Google - you'll laugh at what you read
@@seanwatts8342 ha i see
whaa a fookin limey wanka
In the U.S,especially where i live in cali,the heroin is black tar.&by the time we get it where i live,its probly 20%heroin if we r lucky.What they r usin in the video looks like straight china white.the pure shit.we have seen that in my town once maybe 2x.doesnt come thru here often @ all.& its bad cuz by the time we get our heroin we r smokin or shootin the cut too and ours comes from mxico so God only knows whats being out into it.ppl put alot of different crazy things in the heroin.Its crazy
I hope they r showing this to the kids in middle school that way if they decide to start they know what to do.
@ontariobuds Hi, it sounds like you might have accidentally injected into an artery (anhydrous just means 'without water').