Iain Duncan-Smith's Explosive Row With James O'Brien
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2013
- Just came across this. IDS on 97.3 FM talking about job figures, workfare and why people on JSA should work for nothing because it's "work experience". Worth a listen. James O'Brien has to be credited for sticking to his guns and not letting IDS get away with the statements that he - at times at odds with his own department - makes
Here's the Audioboo original: audioboo.fm/boos/1223720-iain-...
I know of a way to solve long term unemployment in the UK. Use the NORDIC MODEL. In Denmark, when people become unemployed, they're trained in all the latest and most needed skills (and most importantly, they're paid a living wage while learning) - which benefits both the unemployed person, the Employer and the Country. Everybody wins. The unskilled are made into skilled workers, There you are..I have just solved the UK unemployment problem
Young kids getting work experience? So how do you explain all the 40+ people doing 'work experience' at poundland?
This policy destroys a previously paid job, that an increasing number of people cannot find enough hours, if they can find a job at all. It merely subsidises companies like poundland. They are the beneficiaries of this scheme. Not the unemployed, or underemployed.
Its even worse than that, because drowning the job market in free labour keeps ALL salaries in the private sector artificially low. This is why we see 11% pay rises for MP's, and stagnant or falling salaries for private sector workers, including professionals with one or more degrees.
It's slave labour / free work force for the rich. Why would they then employ and pay said people when they can simply get or order a new slave to replace them..
These 'benefits' are not 'free'. We have all paid for them but IDS is saying, 'as soon as you are unemployed, you are not a taxpayer so must work for your benefit that is 'given' to you. Its like paying an insurance policy against unemployment, being made unemployed and then being told there is no payout on the insurance policy. Similarly the NHS isn't 'free' either... we pay 'National INSURANCE' so stop making out anyone who gets what they have paid for is a 'non person'. Lets see big mouth IDS and his ilk live on £50 per week.
Brilliant interview by James O'Brien - one of the few people in mainstream media in the UK to have confronted IDS. James cuts through IDS' waffle like a lazer beam.
Reichsführer Smith talks about getting people back in to work. Try being 55+ and just see how far you get. I've been unemployed for years and lost count of all the application forms I've filled in during that time. Employers won't even look at my application, despite the fact I'm qualified for the jobs on offer. I have 15 years relevant experience for the jobs I apply for, but it doesn't count for sh*t. I've never even been offered one job interview. There is nothing worse than being denied work over something you literally can do nothing about.
The CONCEPT of working for a company for experience whilst receiving benefit is ok, with the possibility of being hired in future (either with the same company or used as a reference).. but.. the REALITY is that companies have targets to hit and money to make, and they simply agree to these DWP schemes to take advantage.
You DON'T 'volunteer' for the work experience ; you're COERCED, which is why that girl who was doing voluntary work at the museum or whatever, HAD to stack the shelves or lose the JSA.
Bless him...he's been saying this over and over again, so much so, that he actually believes his own rhetoric.
He has clearly taken his fellow Catholic mentor Adolf Hitler's advice to heart ie repeat a lie often enough and it will be believed eventually. He is like Adolf in the bunker during the last days of the Reich pushing imaginary troops around on the battlboard.
Am I right in thinking that if you don't accept to go on a voluntary workfare scheme that you get sanctioned anyway, thus making it compulsory?
This man is a complete "ROGER HUNT"
Exactly how is this different than YOPs/YTS?
More people in work? Unemployment falling? Is this because if they are on work-experience they are off the jobless list?
Ian Duncan-Smith believes that the poor must be made to fail and ground down as much as possible
Sheer exploitation renamed as work experience. Work is work, PAY THE MINIMUM WAGE.
What about age 50 plus people who find themselves jobless ?. Will they need to see the 'world of work' if they've worked a lot of their lives but now are on the scrapheap with no one wanting to employ them ?
nice to see so many negative opinions on IDS but the unfortunate fact is policies like these are very popular with the English Public, benefits for anyone are unpopular, wich is suprising to me because what are they gonna do if they lose their job ?
What a lump of freshly ejaculated cockroach spunk this man is!!!
"There are jobs and there are work... they just have to look for it". Surprised IDS didn't say, "All they have to do is get on their bikes...".
His attitude towards getting people employed is like forcing livestock into an abattoir.
He does a good job of lying for a living
How can the threat of work for free or loose your benefit be voluntary? didn't he say voluntary? Cait Reilly didn't volunteer for poundland, she was threatened with benefit loss if she refused. These schemes are not voluntary and vulnerable people are being exploited. Just head to the boycott workfare website and check out some peoples stories, Tesco for one is one of the biggest exploiters of workfare as is the so called voluntary charity Salvation Army who are using forced unpaid labour.
You may fool some people Duncan Smith but your cards are marked.
He should do the honorable thing and resign the Japanese way......WITH A GREAT BIG SWORD
Brilliant comment !
Iain Duncan Smith is right. There is a supermarket shelf for all of us.
IDS is a weasle and is so out of touch with the real world is almost breathtaking
I just wonder what you can say to somebody who doesn't have any feelings? All Tories care about is how much money they're making. Human life means nothing to them.
Its just the nature of politics theses days they were born to kill and hurt the most needy and poor its being happening since the dawn of time politics theses days to me are died. I bet he's relaxing in his bath tube with a drink in his hand laughing his head off of what his evil Nazi corrupt government has done this is Thatcherism mate and Thatcherism is still alive today and we allow it to happen if we fight against the torries instead of bitchin an moaning all the bloody time.
***** I wish there was something we could do to make this vicious Tory Government take notice of all the misery they are causing? The trouble is, we're dealing with a Government that has absolutely no feelings whatsoever and doesn't give a shit about demos and marches. If only the victims could be heard?
***** True we should all do something instead of moaning.Vote UKIP and break the tory/lab/lib vicious triangle of lies and corruption
Well done, James O'Brien.
I listened to what IDS said. And much as I hate and despise everything this man stands for I did feel that the original idea for work experience was a good one. I remember when I was young and unemployed and how difficult it was to get a job and that employers wanted people with work experience before they would even be considered for a job. It was a catch 22. How to get a job experience when that was what was needed to get one in the first place. On the face of it that would appear to be what IDS and the government were trying to address. However, It would seem that companies etc are abusing this idea. There should be safeguards in place to protect the vulnerable. NOT allowing EXPLOITATION by the rich over the poor and vulnerable. IDS and the government should not allow badly managed ideas to take precedence over their duty to help and advise those that find themselves trying to get a foothold in the work place.
OUT OF TOUCH MILLIONAIRES
My daughter has been hunting for jobs since she graduated from university after achieving to gain a 2.1 BA Hons degree in Events Management...and that was 6 mths ago without any success even for a mundane job such as Petrol pump attendant..so tell me where IDS gets his figures from? My daughter cant find a job full stop!!!!
This is just a way of cheap labour pushing you from one two month job to another. What company will take on full time staff when they can join this and get a convoy off free labour in duel monthly shifts. Even if someone is on work experience they should be payed at least minimum wage they are still working and the company still profit
Why does IDS always focus on kids? Their are many adults on the work programme, what use is stacking shelves to them when they already have loads of qualifications
The work experience scheme is another name for preparing the young and unemployed for slavery. this gets around the minimum wage and allows profitable companies use a huge work force for free and at the cost of a generation who knows nothing but slavery. people like IDS should stand trial for crimes against humanity.
I'm around the same age as you and I also remember what life was like back in the 1970's, plenty of work and security for ALL. Everything changed under Thatcher. She regarded nationalised industries as centres of Trade Union power which had to be destroyed. Thatcher defeated the Unions and because of this we (the ordinary folks) have no rights anymore. The nationalised industries were great providers of decent jobs and wages. We are now treated like shit because Tories have it all their own way
hahahaha work experience in poundland, HAHAHAHAHAHA
Your absolutely right James,thieves,murderers,liars all of them
Work Programme now. It now includes people like myself with long term illness who are OFTEN treated the same as a 17 year old who's unemployed for a year. Hmmm, me a company director and art director at Saatchi's, can't work owing to illness of 10 years - lazy scrounger. I will be recording things discretely.
They seem to have left me alone. Initial interview in January at the Work Programme place with a cool man who respected long term illness. Said he wouldn't pester me regardless of what IDS wants. I've heard nothing since. That was Maximus in central London. Glad there are SOME sensible people out there not just filling quotas but are actually interested in the welfare of their forwarded "clients". IDS cannot destroy such people with idiotic guidelines. Makes me want to do the same as the man I talked to. If I was up to it I'd be after a job under IDS just so I can do the opposite.
They've been relatively kind in their choice of picture, I've seen him looking much more eerie and disconnected.
One of the worst of the worst, we really are led by the least amongst us. . .
The Tories closed down the mines, the steel works, the shipyards - but we still had some manufacturing left. Then manufacturing got outsourced to China. But never mind we got Call Centres. Then the Call Centres got outsourced to India. But never mind we've always got welfare, I mean they wouldn't see us starve - would they?
iain Duncan smiths famous speech " are their no prisons. are their no zoro hour contracts" and lets not forget the best part " if they are going to die let them do so and there by decries the surplus population".
YOU'VE MANIPULATED THE FIGURES, SMITH!
The abysmal lack of jobs in the UK is entirely due to the private sector and Capitalism. Employers have set very high (and very unreasonable) so called "standards" which are totally beyond most people. Even for the most basic of jobs, Employers expect far too much. I once heard a joke that in order to become a binman in Tory Britain, you first need a degree in nuclear physics - and that about sums it up. The truth is there are too few jobs, and too many people applying for them. Welcome to Tory Britain, which equals = survival of the fittest, and the weak go to the wall. Social Darwinism is back and Queen Victoria is still on the throne.
Did you enjoy your Xmas lunch Duncan-Smith?...When you loosened your trouser belt relaxed in your armchair with a glass of port, did you spare a thought for the disabled people that have been unfairly sanctioned and the thousands of people that have been made homeless?
We need more like James O`Brien.
I owned them at two of my own tribunals and several others for friends ... Judge: this is your third appeal don't you realise these cost £1500 a time? Me: Well if you got it right the first fucking time it would save a load of money. We won.
Work experience doesn't put food on the table
the problem is that people are forced to 'volunteer' for it or they'll be penalised . they can bully someone who they don't think is looking for work. I've seen it happen. they'll up the amount of jobs they need to apply for or make out they're not making enough effort and issue sanctions.
It wouldn't really bother me, I'm wasn't fussy what i did as long as i didn't have to work most weekends but i did and do think a proper training scheme would be better. I'd prefer my electrical certificates be updated by going on a proper college course to help me back in to my trade rather than going on shelf stacking work experience programs at 42.
Well done James O'Brien. You can't get him to argue rationally - he cannot make a rational case and knows what you are getting at but will not learn from the reality around him.
£39.00 Brekkie - Yum Yum Yum
Independent figure my arse. Hoe many of these jobs are seasonal, zero hours, volunteering logged as employment. This man needs a good kicking.
Btw why is he and the tories obsessed with young people getting jobs? What about the rest of us 25+?
lol at "Steal the big toblerones!"
Work experience does not create work.This just helps firms to get profits from unpaid work
He’s got a cheek talking about taxpayers paying for people on JSA when he (I mean) IDS is still up to his old tricks again of making expenses claims for things like lunch expenses etc oh yes the taxpayers are still paying for IDS lunches
The way to create employment is by making the unemployed more employable. In Scandinavian Countries when people become unemployed, they train people in the latest skills and then match them up with jobs where there are severe skill shortages. The good news for all those involved is, they're paid a living wage while they're learning. That's the way to solve unemployment. This system used by Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland is called the "Nordic Model" - they're light years ahead of us.
Two days ago a man who lives near to me hung himself.He had been sanctioned and left a suicide note.He was worried about the rent and scared of becoming homeless
These tory bastards really need bringing to trial.This is mental torment on the poor and disabled ,attempted suicides are being forced upon by the bigger bastard IDS who will be wanted for murder.RIP to suicide victims around the country.
What a horrible fucking bastard Duncan Smith is. Shame on anyone who voted the Tories in. He is probably the worst Tory, and slimey Cameron, who pretends to be Mr. nice guy, chose him specially, just like Hitler chose the most cruel bastards to cause the most suffereing
Tories want Joe Public to think of the long term jobless, the sick & disabled as criminals.This is why nobody cares when these fascists dream up some new misery to torment their victims with, something like say the Bedroom Tax or the Community Service Program. As far as Tories are concerned they're simply punishing criminals, and they're in effect telling the public not to concern themselves with such matters. Hence the reason why nobody gives a toss in this Country. People have been brainwashed. Your neighbour's suicide did not make the news, but I'm not surprised by this. There have been many suicides in fact and none of them made the news either. As far as Tories are concerned anybody on Welfare doesn't exist and they want Joe Public to airbrush them out of existence. At least the guy in question (God give him rest) won't ever have to worry about starvation and eviction any longer - at least the Tories can no longer bully and persecute him anymore, right? I'll bet the family of this man were brokenhearted. The person who sanctioned this man in effect handed him a Death Sentence. Bloody Tories! Bunch of murdering bastard Yahoos the lot of them.
IDS is a murdering tormenting bastard on the poor and disabled
Ian Duncan Stalin. His policies have killed 1000's.
I can imagine him tucking into his Xmas turkey, and gloating at the thousands of people being made homeless because of his actions.People that committed suicide because they have had their benefits unfairly cut off.
Hope he chokes on a turkey bone this xmas
that photo says it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40% of all the jobs created since 2010 are self-employed positions.
www.theguardian.com/money/2014/apr/14/job-market-instability-self-employed-tuc
The fall in unemployment is not all it seems to be.
I love this interview :)
Sorry folks, I meant to write 'lied on HIS C.V. ' !!
Pity the IRA didn't get him when he was a General's bag carrier in Northern Ireland.
IDS smugly brings up Terry Leahy, as if he started stacking shelves in Tesco, and worked his way all the way to the top from there. That's more bollocks. Firstly, Leahy didn't do that, he only joined Tesco at a high position once he had degrees and stuff, even if he did at another time long before that, stack shelves. He was also in a time when graduates could secure employment in a field in which they were both interested and qualified. They can't anymore, and the present stats indicate that graduates no longer get jobs that need a degree. Many more than ever before, if they are lucky to get any job, are stuck in unskilled minimum wage jobs and won't progress in them. Leahy WANTED to work in Tesco management. One more thing : even then MOST people who want to do well in a career in retail, won't get as high up as him, cos you must be of particular personality and temperament, i.e. ruthless backstabber and sycophantic brown noser
Iain Duncan Smith - why allow THOUSANDS OF JOBS to be outsourced to other countries then?? And allow his mates in big corporations to pay no tax ????What a whitewash!
I'm a Engineering Inspector with over 20 years exp and have worked for some of the worlds top compnays And I can't wait to get experience lifting boxes in Tesco's, Iv asked will there be a job at the end of it,,, Obviously not as there just get more FREE labour,,
good on you James O Brian for not accepting IDS bullshit
Fair play to the interviewer but it shows again ,how IDS and the tories ,have no compassion or understanding of the effect of there draconian benefit changes...WE NEED CHANGE and we NEED IT NOW !!
I totally agree with you. Let's face it, if you're one of the lifelong unemployed, or you're sick or disabled you'd be better off if the DALEKS were in power. At least they get rid of their enemies quickly (you know..exterminate!). Tories on the other hand like to make their own people suffer for years. We need change BUT at the end of the day it doesn't matter what the poor want. The majority of people work. It's what they want that will matter come election time
You dont get a choice about the work expierience, you are told to go here and do the work or lose your bebefits. That is not voluntary.
Also when you start work the money you have been paid on the dole is taken of your tax entitilement so say you get £10,000 before you pay tax well say you were on dole and got £2,000 then you will get £8,000 before you pay tax, so it gets clawed back.
Dunked in shit
IDS = Pampered Pompous Prat ! He sounds like a spoiled 12 year old. Horrid man !
IDS states there are more people in work now than ever before? Maybe in the rich & prosperous South East that is true, but where I live there are AT LEAST 400 people applying for every one job vacancy (unskilled & semi-skilled labour in particular). All this Tory Government care about is the South East of England. The further you get away from London and the Home Counties the more abysmal are your employment prospects. It's about time we had a Government that cared about ALL of the people.
What a wretched member of our species!!!
Great interview, really showed what a blatant liar IDS is.
work experience shelf stacking , oh fgs get real.
Iain Duncan Smith is doing what should have been done years ago.. labour started the ball rolling with A4e and ATOS. Why would anyone want to sit at home and contribute nothing to society.. I find it hard to believe that a junkie or alcoholic should be on disability for evermore. I hope the tories get in with a large enough majority in may 2015 to really tighten the taps on those previously mentioned. I remember a channel 4 programme who spoke to the unemployed and one woman said she couldn't work because there was no one to walk her dogs!! That's a disgrace..
Forgot to mention they could bring back "SPITTING IMAGE" and
SMITH could be the star of the show with his "UGLY RAT FACE".
And no need to worry "ROLAND" you`ll always be everyone`s
number one "RAT".
Large companies will obviously support this scheme - they won't have to pay wages or Insurance etc...!
These same companies thrive on Part-Time employees - they save big on NI contributions and other benefits - my son & his partner worked for Iceland for 6 years - they hardly had a weeks wage between them in all that time.
We're heading down the same road as the US - the Working Homeless will soon be the norm...!
Not anymore their not , besides it was you lot I was referring to .
I am a full time carer and have now got to pay towards council tax, even though am saving the government money by looking after an elderly person and not putting her in an home on governments expense
People don't 'earn' their JSA. It's NOT a wage. It's exploitation.
has nobody thought that the reason these figures are going up is because of the situation. Companies can get away with offering minimum wage for jobs on zero hour contracts. (which is pretty much all that is available around where I live.) Then add to the fact that people are getting all benefits taken away. People have to fight to get these jobs. When over all they just become worse off. Working in a job they are having to work longer and harder than ever before, to be granted the privilege of a job where they get sub livable pay. So basically forcing them to go from broke to destitute with the added bonus of uncertainty in their future. this isnt solving any problems its just making it worse in the long run.
Daily mail on-line . December 2013. "The astonishing greed of bankers was laid bare last night as it was revealed their salaries soared by more than a third last year. While the rest of the nation coped with an unprecedented squeeze on incomes, City workers were enjoying the high life, with the top 2,700 taking home an average of £1.6 million each. The figuire - which makes Britain's financial elite the highest paid in Europe. Britain's personal debt mountain hits record high of £1,429,624,000,000."
Did Iain Duncan Smith say that the Work Programme is VOLUNTARY to oneself to find a job?.
How can it be voluntary if you can be sanctioned for not volunteering. Its like a mugger pleading not guilty because his victim volunteered to give him the money with a gun against their head
I'm no economist, but if Tescos can get free, tax-payer subsidised shelf-stackers from the Job Centre, where's their incentive for employing their own staff?
Surely this will increase unemployment once they realise they have a steady supply of unpaid full time workers costing them £0.00 per week?
That is precisely what this thick nonsense of workfare is doing. Indeed, you don't have to have any sort of economics qualifications to understand this just common sense. I have got a GCSE in Economics which is more than Iain Dumbo-Smith has got and that other gormless prick George Gideon Oliver Osbourne.
Absolutely. "those who find work, are now managing to finding work" hahaha. I like going to the park, especially when I go to the park.
yes.
What a tube
Cheap Labour and unpaid?what a tory scam for the rich
Holy Shit!...He's at it again....Job Center advisers from around the country are now going on special courses. Jobseekers will be required to do a 40hr job search every week and they must have proof that they have done this or they will be sanctioned.Duncan Smith is pushing his luck.
IDS doesn't need to push his luck. He knows he can do whatever he likes to the poor, the sick & disabled and nobody will lift a finger to stop him. What is the Labour Party going to do about this latest atrocity? What are the Unions going to do about it? What is the European Court of Human Rights going to do? We're supposed to live in a democratic and civilised society, but it feels more like a dictatorship. Surely what this Government is now proposing is totally unreasonable and a breach of basic human rights? WHY DOES NOBODY DO ANYTHING?
IDS is a Joker.
A dangerous Joker.
if they are working for the company, why the hell doesnt the company pay their jobseekers?
IDS backpedalling so fast he makes the Earth reverse it's spin....
What a bullshitter IDS is. If people are doing work experience they are working and the company employing them should make up the diffrrence to the minimum wage.
Otherwise they would have to employ someone else to do the work anyway
Somebody has posted on another thread that their money was stopped and they had to rely on food parcels and the help of friends. Thankfully the GP helped. Well over 10,000 dead (I read somewhere 26,000) as a result of the tories' actions. The tories and their supporters are murderers. Let it never be forgotten and the fact that the majority of people now merely reside in the UK as this country has been sold.
IDS phone wasn't swapped out for a lit stick of dynamite, this row wasn't anywhere near explosive enough.
I'm sure companies do think having an unpaid worker is good for them. Not that this is all about keeping the capitalists happy.
This guy should be on DLA and ESA as in my opinion he has severe mental health issues and should not be let loose on the public!
I would like to buy James O'Brien a pint, but,as i'm sanctioned ...