SLICING THE PIE: A DELIBERATE THRESHOLD ASSESSMENT FOR CQB
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2022
- Our primary instructor on this video is Jason Ransome of Ransome Tactical Solutions. Check out his Instagram page of the same name.
This video discusses the how and why for a slow pie technique. You may have seen something different or been trained differently. We are not saying this is THE way to address a door, it is simply A way. We show multiple other methods, which are coming up in this video series. This is a small, small piece of the whole picture. You can’t or won’t get the whole picture from watching videos. Come validate with an in-person experience.
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Dude. I was literally thinking to myself first half: "curious how cutting the pie works when the cover isn't actually cover" and opted to not comment that. But then you go right into it. Great info.
I assume you didn’t just incase you might look silly? If so? Forget them bro, ask ask ask ask ask ask ask!!!! Don’t ever be 1 question away that could of saved your life or others
@@kingfinance1508 i didn't because i wanted to watch the rest of the video before i comment with any questions. Glad I did since it was answered :)
@@kingfinance1508 wholesome pie posting
concealment vs cover
Pumped you guys are putting out videos, we need more of this for those departments that don’t provide quality info
Awesome stuff guys glad you are using CZcams now. Orion is first class 🤙
This is great stuff! Not only the how/what, but also the why behind a lot of these concepts and skills. Top notch stuff!
They did it wrong for the most part when slicing the pie you want you inner leg in the front to prevent it any fatal injuries such as getting shot in your femoral arteries plus it gives you a more stable position to where if needed you can retreat at a safer more stable position
@@tblphantom6196they didn't do it wrong
Video refresher coming just before the Texas class, I need it
Thanks for the video gents excellent breakdown without a bunch of fluff! 😎🤘🏻
That was some fire information!
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SwatDad slowing those fast feet down for us regular folks.
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Fantastic information 🔥
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Great video!!
I am thankful that you guys are teaching this. In most academies they are teaching "rabbit" techniques. Trying to convince a person who had previously shot a gun zero to a couple of times to burst in a room like Chuck Norris, after a few reps in training is laughable, outdated and deadly. Thank you for making this accessible. I will be working to attend your training course.
Somtime you need to though... I had to many times.
Orion also trains running the rabbit, and it's a useful technique in SOME cases, like everything they're training. Almost every single technique is useful in some contexts, and deadly in others. Orions here to fill our tool boxes and help us make good decisions on which tool we use to solve which problems.
@@jacobquatkemeyer3823 The way it is taught is functional as much as it is situational. You clear the room from outside and then "run the rabbit" oriented to the part of the room that was not able to be cleared. But, I'm sure you picked up on the from watching the video. Stay safe!
Stuff like this is why I did not hesitate on the subscribe button.
Thanks for the video guys. Can you demonstrate how you will quickly address a threat if they press you while you are pieing using the technique of swinging you trailing leg outwards please?
Nice post 💝💝💝
Okay, I saw a recent video where he orients the hips and moved in a half circle while trying to access the inside of a room. Is one more appropriate in certain situations?
Very based. Love your guys’ stuff
Based?
@@aintfromrounhere8099 you must not be from around here . They are definitely based. 🇺🇸
@@ryanwaddell6278 I don’t understand based
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Question about the footwork; if a threat suddenly pops into your vision and you are in the process of crossing your leg behind you then it will be hard to jump back or keep your balance. Valid observation or no?
Has just some random person with practical thinking I would say your observation is valid and to side step instead of crossing .
Nah bud you just flip to full auto, fall to the ground, spray n pray
in your video with garand thumb you explain different footwork in a half circle around the treshold/door frame. it wasn´t a step by step movement like here. what is the difference?
It's always a good idea that when leaning, that you adjust the rotation of your weapon to be horizontal with the ground. This way, you lessen the offset from sight ordination to the barrel. In other words, by keeping your weapon vertical when leaning, if your sights clear a horizontal obstruction, there is a good chance that your barrel will as well. This will hopefully prevent you from hitting the door jam and diverting your rounds from the intended target.
Lol when I imitate ppl I use the same high pitch voice! 🤣
So, we were taught to switch to left hand to minimize exposure when pieing from R to L, do you guys embrace that or nah?
This
What are your thoughts on shoulder transitions in cqb? One could argue that it definitely helps in exposing less of your body in advantageous angles, but at the same time the transitions can slow you down. How do you assess the risk/reward in shoulder transitioning?
situational but yes it is a topic.
Upvote for the quality hair.
Legit question. Wouldn't you want to switch shoulders when you are peaking left? You can see from the pie room pov that his while left arm was visible before the weapon.
Unrelated, but what canted Rifle mag pouch is that?
Is slicing the pie different than panning?
Do you think bringing the leg behind the other one is not risky in case you need to dug quickly? bringing the leg next to the other one and so on and so on, will enable you to make quicker movement to cover. Im not saying this method is wrong by any means, just a pointer i guess. Good video yet again!
What riser does he use?
are those mantis blackbeard systems you are using?
Yep
Do a full speed demonstration, or is there on you can point me to?
Very cash money of you guys
Does the visible laser get actual use when in an actual scenario or is it more of a training tool?
Not much as an aiming solution, but as a signal method in a team. for example, lassoing a couch that's pulled away from the wall, to signal that i need a number 2 man to back me up on it. that way we don't verbally tip someone off if they are hiding behind it
What it does is allow you visibly see angles from the perspective of the bad guy so you can learn how to not overexpose yourself to a threat. Also allows you to actually see your fields of fire on an entry, as well as when you to barrel flag you teammate.
@@Kenposhinobi
I heard it also used for frag trap wire on the doors since laser beam will be cut when its pointed towards the wires
@@user-cv5fq4lu8w that’s a myth. Aiming laser units are nowhere near that strong. Worst a full power aiming laser can do is blind someone if you shine it directly in someone’s eyes
@@user-cv5fq4lu8w that’s a myth. Aiming laser units are nowhere near that strong. Worst a full power aiming laser can do is blind someone if you shine it directly in someone’s eyes
Stability and safety trick: don't cross your legs and crab walk instead. Keep your torso (and so the front plate of your plate carrier) fully facing forward. That way you remain fully stable and in fact its less effort in terms of motor skills to crabwalk than to do this side way's almost cross over. And you benefit from the full protection of your large front plate, where on your sides you may have a smaller or no plate.
lol
You're right, once the first round cracks these guys are going to be falling all over each other trying to move like that.
@@zachmausteller6195 nah lol he’s not right. They’re not all moving at the same time.
You’ll give away your position before you find work in the threshold and get shot before you see the opposition if you “crab walk” the reason he’s walking that way is specifically to eliminate his visual signature. The method you’re suggesting will get you shot at before you can gather any information about the room
It is possible to sort of crab walk, while aligning the front foot with your barrel, all pointed at the threshold, to minimize your exposure. It gives the added benefit that you can bail out and create distance when the situation requires it (e.g. explosions, heavy enemy gunfire at door, a drugged up crackhead with knife running at you).
Yo is Jason missing his left foot too? If so, DAMN. I thought I was the only guy crazy enough to keep kicking in doors with a prosthetic. Respect if that's what's going on.
Is it important to practice being ambidextrous with right shoulder/left shoulder? I.E. If a right shoulder dominant shooter moves right, outside elbow is tucked and the chances of getting eyes on threat first is more likely; versus a right shoulder dominant person moving left, the whole left side is exposed before you get eyes on target and the threat sees you first instead of you seeing the threat first.
When cutting the pie
A haunted house is the best place to practice this, with your pointy finger and a Lazer, October is cqb holiday.
What do you do if, as you’re pieing, you see a bad guy? Of course you shoot him, but, do you continue pieing? Or do you stop the pie and commit into the room?
(my opinion) it would usually be wise to commit to the room at that point, get in the room and get more guns in the fight, rather than have an awkard gun battle in the fatal funnel where no progress can be made without explosives (what if you can't use frags, might be a civilian inside? for example) its usually wise to commit and speed up once that initiative has been lost on the initial pies. If silence is regained, then you may be able to slow back down when moving on into other sections of the building, but once its loud i would COMMIT. my two cents. Just an Infantry bro.
@@DevilFrog61 grady powell said the same thing he was a green beret he will slice shoot target and move in
Try changing the orientation of your feet and hips. In the beginning, place your left foot forward instead of your right.
From 3;40 if you hold rifle in left shoulder your body exposure will be much smaller
Based
3:33 Left hand slow pie with right hand hold ☠☠☠
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You're not switching shoulders, @4:04 you'd be in trouble.
It seem that if you are right handed, slicing from the right side of the door, you are more exposed
thank using that in a nerf war
shoulders
Use more of that standoff space.
I think while pie your foot step is not doing according to balance
Dorito speed
Better to use the tater tot method. This where you send in the new guy first to draw fire.
Cut the pie , eat the crust
Guess what you stepped on a hot wheel and tripped cause your crossing them legs 😂 I’m just a civilian but I’ve seen plenty green berets rangers and seals explain it with side stepping. in a book called 100 deadly skills Clint Emerson explains pieing has a series of side steps in a semi circle fashion ect, and in the us army handbook pieing a corner it says a series of side steps in a semi circle fashion using your muzzle has a pivot point while minimizing your exposure. Grady Powell would beg the differ to he has a better video on the VSO Gun Channel
***When assessing the threshold the second time, from your right to left, you should've shouldered the rifle on your support side. Skip to the **3:25** mark on the video. The camera sees what the threat would see. Threat sees you and does NOT see your barrel/eyes (assuming you're using a "third eye stance", looking over your sights/barrel the whole time) which means you're in no position to engage, yet the threat is. Realistically, at that very moment, you're more likely a casualty then your threat is. I appreciate the video, but the devil is in the details. Stay safe, all🙏. ***
Only thing I’m seeing wrong is the guys forward grip was just not far enough. Go ahead and just grab that muzzle
Sewerfire makes a picaninny forward grip extension so you can have your hand placed securely forward of the bullet dispenser for maximum tactical effect.
Never once in my entire career, have I seen somebody pad door like this and if you were in a close combat situation, you would get cut in half through a wall by a PKM it’s honestly a fucking joke how badly these guys think they know what they’re talking about
The only wrong way is the way that doesn't work....😮
Awful footwork.
Not the proper foot work, I've seen a lot of your tactics and they are not the proper way. Your off balance and slow is an understatement. I'd advise you go train with some 75th rangers or Marines who have done some door kicking and fire missions.
Thank you for the input Mr navy delta operator "anime dreamz"
May i suggest signing up for a course and correcting them the whole time to show how much you know. Then do a simunition force on force and show them your dominance Mr. Operator man!
lol this dude hasn’t come out of his basement for years.
Take it easy on @animedreamz2009 hes a Sgt Masterchief petty officer 1st class from the 501st legion spartan program. Bronze star recipient for his valor on planet reach and a Medal of Honor recipient after order 66.
He's slow because he's demonstrating dingus