@MrMotastic Pool tables are lower than snooker tables, which can throw off a snooker player's regular stance. Few pool players would stand as square to the shot as Davis, with one leg locked straight and the other bent - they're generally more side-on, often bending both legs. Add Steve's long legs into the mix, with his snooker stance, and this is what it looks like!
The very best snooker players can push the very best pool players in a game of pool. However the very best pool players dont have a chance at a snooker win. Both great games but snooker is far harder game.
***** Just to clarify. Snooker players are not better at pool than pool players. But Snooker is a harder game. Just the physics of it. That is why a pool player will struggle in a game of snooker and a snooker player will find the transition easier. Trust me most pool players would be shocked playing on a full size snooker table but no snooker player has ever been shocked by a pool table. As I said both are great games.
gmonkey808 "However the very best pool players dont have a chance at a snooker win." That's simply not true. Alex Pagulayan and Corey Deuel, both pool players, have both been kicking ass and taking names in the snooker world.
Flavius Constantius Just look it up. Why should I have to do the work for you? If you're interested find the info your self. It's not like it's hard to do. How lazy can you get????
gtrmusic69 I looked it up. Pagulayan, for all of his supposed ass kicking and name taking in the snooker world, couldn't qualify for a single ranking event. Did you look it up?
Steve Davis skills from snooker all completely transferrable in pool as your cue action and technique remain exactly the same. Wow he dominated 70 balls so close on the last one. I will have to go back and watch all of steves matches
All in all, I'm most impressed in hindsight with Davis's pattern play here, nowhere near as wayward as Snooker players sometimes get on a pool table (except of course towards the end of his run). Sure, a couple of his break shots are highly suspect (getting stuck to the rack once, lucky he could comfortably continue his run, and coming close to scratching once), but for a relative Straight Pool newbie? Thumbs up, very well done!
fact of the matter is when the english pool players picked up on playing american pool they have dominated the sport (in the uk). there is a reason there isnt a snooker player in the mosconi cup team over recent years... there is a former snooker player called stuart pettman who has adapted well to the sport watch out for him in the next few years. awsome talent.
the hardest thing about straight pool is leaving an ideal break ball, other than that it is one of the easiest pool games around, one pocket is a lot harder game to play.
+Stuart Mitchell not only this (which already a very tough task), you also have to open up the rack, which sometime is very hard, because not always the break shot works fine, and sometimes you have to make a second or a third break-shot... In my opinion is a very difficult game to master at pro level.
Except it's not a walk in the park ... That's why his turn came to an abrupt end. Even Steve would acknowledge that he butchered the pattern play there. Straight pool is much more challenging than looks.
On these pool tables u can hit the side cushion and it will still go in with snooker u have to hit the ball exactky in the pocket without it even going near a cushion, just a small example but snooker is so much harder than pool it’s incredible
Snooker players got into tournaments, did well in them. Drago got like 5 titles in pool. His comment is true though. American pool tables have a lot of extra ways of manipulating pockets. Just look for the difference between an american and an english pool table. All comparisons will point out that it's harder to pot on an english table. It's a fact, don't get butthurt.
The pockets are more forgiving. It's a fact. They're larger and can be manipulated more. Just the fact that they're cut rather than rounded makes them that way. That makes most of the difference. It's easier to pot balls, which is important. But it also makes playing position very different. That's imo what sets pro pool players apart from pro snooker players. They know just how forgiving they are and know the options they have much better than a snooker player would. The fact that the pockets are more forgiving adds another dimension to play onto. But does goes at a cost of making the core easier. People oversimplify it, but there is truth to it.
I'm comparing the games and explaining why there is truth to the original comment. If you want to compare players and have the biggest d in billiards discussion. Yes I believe snooker players are better *all round players. Merely for the fact that players with little to no practice got into quarter and semi-finals. I'd say they could play at the top tier if they went for it. Not just going to a tournament and playing between snooker tournaments. But the comparison is stupid. Snooker is harder than pool. It takes more practice to learn snooker than it does for pool. It doesn't mean players aren't better in their respective sport. Is your ache to discuss something off-topic sated now?
I heard Misarack introduced this challenge his idea was to take advantage of snooker players lack of experience in American pool and beat them to make himself look like he was superior to snooker players.
I take it Davis won this one? I was disappointed not to see the game finish out. I don't understand how the commentators could pretend that such a skilled snooker player could have stress issues over 14.1, as if the game was fundamentally different, "Oh, he's going to have to plan a few shots ahead..."
@89Slh 3 races to 75 where you barely get a shot says nothing about your ability to play pool. It doesn't destroy any theories or confirm any theories - it is one result from a very short match. Hendry lost 9-0 once to Marcus Campbell - this result, from a far longer match, is not an accurate portrayal of their respective abilities. And...5-0? Mizerak lost the snooker challenge to Hendry. For Mizerak to beat Hendry 5-0 at snooker, you would first have to remove both of Hendry's arms.
@ahz123 Davis won that set, but lost two others and lost the game. They had some text explaining about that at the end of the video. And yes, snooker and straight pool ARE different, although not "fundamentally". Anyway, when you play some games other than what you are master with, there always could have some kind of nerve in your game. At least that was what people thought when Davis had not yet played exceptionally 9-ball and other pool games.
@89Slh It would be like Mizerak losing a best of 5 snooker match to a few frame winning breaks and never making a break over 10. To extrapolate from this stat alone that Mizerak could not play snooker would be silly. It may in fact be the case, but you couldn't fairly come to this conclusion after such a short match.
@89Slh The Hendry challenge took place three years after this one, so it's doubtful that they considered this future stat in their commentary. The reality is that the American commentator knows nothing about pool or snooker, and the English chap (Rex Williams) is just being typically understated. He does mention Steve running 80+ in the short time he had to prepare, though. Hendry running only 19 in three races to 75 is accurate, but hardly reflects his ability at the game.
The statement your saying is irreverent to your previous argument. Now your switching to saying "every single game". They don't have to win every 9ball competition. I'm just simply pointing out the fact that a Snooker player did indeed join a 9ball tournament for the first time and ended up winning. I'm an American, which at the moment, pool is my second life. I've recently found a Snooker table that is located near me, tried it out, and realized how more challenging snooker is than 9/8ball.
'Steve Davis, who wasn't supposed to be able to play straight pool very well'. Straight pool is probably the easiest billiards game in my opinion, any ball any pocket, although tough to leave a good break ball.
Davis is a very good shot maker and it covers for a somewhat ragged 14.1 game. In a race to 150 my money would be on the Miz and you would have 2/1 odds.
Watching Davis play on a pool table is like watching Michael Jordan dunk on a nerf hoop over a bedroom door.
English players have so much style and class around the table.
The classic nugget and the height of his powers 😍
@MrMotastic
Pool tables are lower than snooker tables, which can throw off a snooker player's regular stance. Few pool players would stand as square to the shot as Davis, with one leg locked straight and the other bent - they're generally more side-on, often bending both legs. Add Steve's long legs into the mix, with his snooker stance, and this is what it looks like!
That is a blow to my American ego but true. Snooker is Awesome!
The very best snooker players can push the very best pool players in a game of pool. However the very best pool players dont have a chance at a snooker win. Both great games but snooker is far harder game.
***** Just to clarify. Snooker players are not better at pool than pool players. But Snooker is a harder game. Just the physics of it. That is why a pool player will struggle in a game of snooker and a snooker player will find the transition easier. Trust me most pool players would be shocked playing on a full size snooker table but no snooker player has ever been shocked by a pool table. As I said both are great games.
gmonkey808 "However the very best pool players dont have a chance at a snooker win." That's simply not true. Alex Pagulayan and Corey Deuel, both pool players, have both been kicking ass and taking names in the snooker world.
gtrmusic69 Whose asses have they kicked and whose names have they taken? Pagulayan couldn't even make it through qualifying...
Flavius Constantius
Just look it up. Why should I have to do the work for you? If you're interested find the info your self. It's not like it's hard to do. How lazy can you get????
gtrmusic69 I looked it up. Pagulayan, for all of his supposed ass kicking and name taking in the snooker world, couldn't qualify for a single ranking event. Did you look it up?
Steve Davis skills from snooker all completely transferrable in pool as your cue action and technique remain exactly the same. Wow he dominated 70 balls so close on the last one. I will have to go back and watch all of steves matches
Davis is a fantastic pool player
All in all, I'm most impressed in hindsight with Davis's pattern play here, nowhere near as wayward as Snooker players sometimes get on a pool table (except of course towards the end of his run). Sure, a couple of his break shots are highly suspect (getting stuck to the rack once, lucky he could comfortably continue his run, and coming close to scratching once), but for a relative Straight Pool newbie? Thumbs up, very well done!
fact of the matter is when the english pool players picked up on playing american pool they have dominated the sport (in the uk). there is a reason there isnt a snooker player in the mosconi cup team over recent years...
there is a former snooker player called stuart pettman who has adapted well to the sport watch out for him in the next few years. awsome talent.
Beware. Master cuesman at work.
Never seen this before -- great stuff, thanks !
the hardest thing about straight pool is leaving an ideal break ball, other than that it is one of the easiest pool games around, one pocket is a lot harder game to play.
+Stuart Mitchell
not only this (which already a very tough task), you also have to open up the rack, which sometime is very hard, because not always the break shot works fine, and sometimes you have to make a second or a third break-shot...
In my opinion is a very difficult game to master at pro level.
classiest straight pool i have ever watched..
If you can score 147 in snooker like Steve could, then straight pool must seem like a walk in the park.
Except it's not a walk in the park ... That's why his turn came to an abrupt end. Even Steve would acknowledge that he butchered the pattern play there. Straight pool is much more challenging than looks.
holy hell..i never knew steve played that well.
On these pool tables u can hit the side cushion and it will still go in with snooker u have to hit the ball exactky in the pocket without it even going near a cushion, just a small example but snooker is so much harder than pool it’s incredible
Snooker players got into tournaments, did well in them. Drago got like 5 titles in pool.
His comment is true though. American pool tables have a lot of extra ways of manipulating pockets. Just look for the difference between an american and an english pool table. All comparisons will point out that it's harder to pot on an english table.
It's a fact, don't get butthurt.
The pockets are more forgiving. It's a fact. They're larger and can be manipulated more. Just the fact that they're cut rather than rounded makes them that way.
That makes most of the difference. It's easier to pot balls, which is important. But it also makes playing position very different. That's imo what sets pro pool players apart from pro snooker players. They know just how forgiving they are and know the options they have much better than a snooker player would.
The fact that the pockets are more forgiving adds another dimension to play onto. But does goes at a cost of making the core easier. People oversimplify it, but there is truth to it.
I'm comparing the games and explaining why there is truth to the original comment.
If you want to compare players and have the biggest d in billiards discussion. Yes I believe snooker players are better *all round players. Merely for the fact that players with little to no practice got into quarter and semi-finals.
I'd say they could play at the top tier if they went for it. Not just going to a tournament and playing between snooker tournaments.
But the comparison is stupid. Snooker is harder than pool. It takes more practice to learn snooker than it does for pool. It doesn't mean players aren't better in their respective sport.
Is your ache to discuss something off-topic sated now?
@Uluvu And what snooker tournaments have any yanks won, bloody imbecile.
@Uluvu Canadian Championship tournament prestigious, Behave.
I heard Misarack introduced this challenge his idea was to take advantage of snooker players lack of experience in American pool and beat them to make himself look like he was superior to snooker players.
I can imagine. The game itself isnt as difficult as snooker because of the bigger pockets. Its just working on your route and leaving that break ball.
@nugget147 Thanks. Nice upload and a great run from the Nugget.
I take it Davis won this one? I was disappointed not to see the game finish out. I don't understand how the commentators could pretend that such a skilled snooker player could have stress issues over 14.1, as if the game was fundamentally different, "Oh, he's going to have to plan a few shots ahead..."
this game is my favourite of all cue sports.
+Kevin Cronin straight pool is the chess of cue sports
Ole Kristian E yes well i want to play it against someone, i am from ireland and i love snooker and i reckon i would be good at this game
Kevin Cronin I am from Norway and play pool. Don't you have a pool table nearby?
I like all cue games so this is great to see
@89Slh
3 races to 75 where you barely get a shot says nothing about your ability to play pool. It doesn't destroy any theories or confirm any theories - it is one result from a very short match. Hendry lost 9-0 once to Marcus Campbell - this result, from a far longer match, is not an accurate portrayal of their respective abilities.
And...5-0? Mizerak lost the snooker challenge to Hendry. For Mizerak to beat Hendry 5-0 at snooker, you would first have to remove both of Hendry's arms.
Its still very good with a big standard cue
@ahz123
Davis won that set, but lost two others and lost the game. They had some text explaining about that at the end of the video. And yes, snooker and straight pool ARE different, although not "fundamentally". Anyway, when you play some games other than what you are master with, there always could have some kind of nerve in your game. At least that was what people thought when Davis had not yet played exceptionally 9-ball and other pool games.
Yeah right. Steve Davis stress? He's one of the coolest players of any game anywhere. It just makes him better.
I could be a professional pool player. I can easily sit in my chair and watch somebody else pot balls.
Mizerak was also a great player.
@MrMotastic It's probably regular height. Davis is just pretty tall.
@89Slh
It would be like Mizerak losing a best of 5 snooker match to a few frame winning breaks and never making a break over 10. To extrapolate from this stat alone that Mizerak could not play snooker would be silly. It may in fact be the case, but you couldn't fairly come to this conclusion after such a short match.
@89Slh
The Hendry challenge took place three years after this one, so it's doubtful that they considered this future stat in their commentary. The reality is that the American commentator knows nothing about pool or snooker, and the English chap (Rex Williams) is just being typically understated. He does mention Steve running 80+ in the short time he had to prepare, though. Hendry running only 19 in three races to 75 is accurate, but hardly reflects his ability at the game.
Why did Missarack keep showing up at the FIAT challenge? he beat Jimmy White in this challenge a year before right?
Ronnie O sullivan beat strickland in 9ball Mosconi Cup 1996 like a boss.
first time ronnie played 9ball and owned.. so.. ur point is invalid.
If a ball goes in but you didn't call it, and the ball you did call doesn't go in, does the potted ball get spotted?
Go on with comparisons between apples and oranges, go on...
Steve Davis played well in Straight pool,
Missarack didn't look to happy.
Both round and both fruit..
The statement your saying is irreverent to your previous argument. Now your switching to saying "every single game". They don't have to win every 9ball competition. I'm just simply pointing out the fact that a Snooker player did indeed join a 9ball tournament for the first time and ended up winning.
I'm an American, which at the moment, pool is my second life. I've recently found a Snooker table that is located near me, tried it out, and realized how more challenging snooker is than 9/8ball.
'Steve Davis, who wasn't supposed to be able to play straight pool very well'.
Straight pool is probably the easiest billiards game in my opinion, any ball any pocket, although tough to leave a good break ball.
Mizarek looks like goldfinger
Former snooker pro Rex Williams and Pat Scanlon. I think Scanlon was an ESPN sportscaster or something like that, I don't think he was a player.
How low is the table?
Hellava rotation run.
Davis is a very good shot maker and it covers for a somewhat ragged 14.1 game. In a race to 150 my money would be on the Miz and you would have 2/1 odds.
Problem is, 'pool' isn't just 1 game...come play some 3 rail or 1 pocket at our club sometime and demonstrate that it's 'easy'.
davids11131113 ✊🏻💦
So what happened??? Didn't let the game finish!
@9:58 Miz ran it back
so just a question, why doe they rack without pocketing the last ball on the table first?
Who are the commentators?
I'll take one pocket over snooker in terms of a chess comparison
@nugget147 I've only seen davis on tv, never in person, and tv isn't really the best when it comes to the height of a person. Thanks anyway man.
these are the rules of 14.1
Steve Miserable
@OPaivio nuggets mmmhh :)
the american comentator is clueless. leave it to the englishman ;)
What happens if you leave your last ball on the table and it’s in the rack area? Foul shot ?