CZ Shadow 2 OR vs. Tanfoglio Stock II OR - Which is better?
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- The CZ Shadow 2 is one of the most dominant Carry Optics guns in USPSA and IPSC. The Tanfoglio Stock II is also very popular but not as prevalent in the US. We look at these two guns and pick a winner.
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0:00 Intro
0:41 Overview
2:35 Entrance to US Market
4:05 Feature Comparison
8:48 Winner Revealed
9:34 Shooting Comparison
15:03 Aftermarket Support
15:33 Conclusion
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You have opened my eyes. I am 67 years old and been to five world shoots with a comped 45 1911 trick out. Realizing that I am Fred Flintstone in the matches today. Retired and thinking of shooting again. Wow an eye opener. Its not the 80s anymore.
Great descriptive and technical video, emphasizing the actual shooting aspect of both pistols. I fully enjoy your expertise from your tactical and accurate shooting competitive experience, over videos from so called experts which don't have any shooting experience at all!
Keep the emphasis on the shoot ability of the guns with regards to Ergonomics, Balance, Trigger feel, Accuracy etc.
Greatly appreciate the information.
One thing that's really helped me with locking my wrists is to actually focus on the bottom of my wrists/forearms for tension. That's the muscle that opposes your wrist curling upwards during muzzle flip. That's why I think a lot of people find that pinky pressure matters because when you squeeze your pinkies you sympathetically squeeze the bottom of your forearms which lessens muzzle flip. Thinking of tightening the top of your wrist to prevent muzzle flip would be like tightening your bicep while you're high-fiving someone, it would make way more sense to tighten your tricep. Try holding a gun and twisting the muzzle up, you'll eventually feel a burn on your lower forearm from resisting the rotation.
Tanks for a very comprehensive report. Great insightful analysis. I learnt alot!!
Only recently found your channel. Excellent reviews and educational to boot. Much appreciated!!!
You are the baddest big dad on CZcams! Tanfo video hasn't even reached 2.5k, but you still released comparison video. Thanks! I have CZ shadow 2, but in my country there isn't even Tanfo to buy, so, no remorse there.
it was close - ish.
The other nice thing about the Large Frame Tanfoglios are you can change to almost any caliber with a new upper including 10mm, 45, or even 38 Super.
I am a tanfoglio fan. I like the security of having a drop safety even on a competition gun. Thanks for the review!
The CZ Shadow 2 actually does have a drop safety position that you can lock the hammer into. This feature also goes for their new Shadow 2 compact model. Not to mention the safety should always be activated when loaded and not un use! Hammer down, and fully on safety also of course makes it drop safe. Cheers!
@@wasdwasd24 thanks for your reply. I should have been clearer. What I meant is that Tanfoglios have a firing pin safety (sometimes called a drop safety) which is not present on the shadow 2 or the new shadow compact. That said, if one is comfortable carrying a shadow 2 or a series 70 1911, which also does not have a firing pin safety, that would be a personal choice. I like CZs also but for CZ, I prefer the CZ75B, which has a firing pin safety. Thanks again.
I've owned both, compared both for over a year with friends, but I still own the Tanfoglio and sold the CZ.
Nuff said
I own & love them both. Triggers / Kits do wonders for Both Guns.
Thanks for this great comparative review. The double action trigger on the stock 2 gets way better if you replace the interruptor with a Patriot Defense Bolo Interruptor. It makes the reset shorter too.
Big facts. And now that they have semi drop in and drop in versions it’s way easier than it used to be.
Thank you for the comparison, I'm currently looking at what to get, and Tanfoglio and Shadow 2 is two I've been considering.
Interesting video. My results with a CZ Shadow 2 are far better than what you achieved in the video with your "bulk ammo." Tanfo may be best for you.
I have the stock ii and I absolutely love it!
First of all great video ...i Been shooting for 15 years IPSC mostly .I have shot both guns and at the end of the day i do prefer Tanfoglio for many reasons..CZ trigger is the best out there but i rather the stack of the tanfo that allow me to prep before break the shot in dbl action where with the CZ i have to pull till break the shot with one long pull..Also the CZ is way heavier in front and for long swing from target to target its hard to stop the gun...With some after market parts and some polish which i recommend Tanfo is a way superior gun overall..shorter than CZ but the bull barrel make the difference ...For a Newby shooter i would go with CZ headache free..for an experienced shooter Tanfoglio is the the top for many reasons . My opinion...
Excellent comparison and reflection on how our tastes and knowledge evolves over the years. Lol, about 2014 I was running a Glock 34.
So was i - I didn't get a CZ until 2015. I thought I was living high on the hog with my fancy Czech pistol.
The trigger hinge placement on the Stock 2 is why I have both the Stock 2 and the Stock 2 Xtreme.
Both the hard chrome finish and the cerakote finishes are awesome. My guns have years of drawing from the holster in USPSA (Production M) and you can’t tell these guns have ever seen a holster.
I had to do a lot of work internally to get them nice and smooth, and maintain their super reliability.
My Stock 2 had over 8k rounds with no cleaning and ZERO malfunctions at all. I had to clean it because as soon as it got hot, it would leak oil and soot all over my hands, lol.
All things being equal, I also own several Beretta’s, and the triggers hinge/ apex of the grip are also very similar to the Stock 2, and I love the Berreta as much or more.
Being drop safe is important, especially when lots of changes are made. At least 2 cases on record of 2 dead because of that. One was from Canada and the other was an RO behind a different guy that dropped it. Not messing with the hammer and firing pin length reduces the risk quite a bit. Still better with the block.
The only one at a match death in Canada that I’ve heard about was a situation where a guy dropped his gun and then caught it before it hit the ground and made contact with the trigger in doing so. That resulted in pulling the trigger which set it off. A firing pin safety/stop would not have prevented anything in that instance. You might be referring to a different situation though.
@@nickwalden9809 There was an RO fatally shot at a Nov 2020 NY USPSA match. Reportedly was a Shadow 2 (good chance it was modified) where the shooter missed the holster with his hammer back. Pistol landed on the back end and discharged.
Actually did a hammer test on my two shadow 2s. One fitted with an aftermarket firing pin and lighter firing pin spring, the other with stock firing pin spring and lighter firing pin spring. Placed them laying flat on a table with the hammer down, and then struck the hammer.
The amount of force needed to ingnite the primer was scary low on the one with the extended firing pin. The one with the stock firing pin I could not get to ignite the primer, regardless how hard I hit the hammer.
@@FHompa A co-worker and I once did that with an aftermarket Glock trigger that another guy bought. Slamming it on a wooden workbench with a cleaning mat on it was enough to ignite the primer. I'd argue that a fall to a concrete floor would do so even more easily.
Great video! I’m a Tanfoglio fan. My neighbor has a CZ. CZ was the original design, but like the owner of Tanfoglio said… we took the CZ design and modified it for competition, law enforcement “Tanfoglio force” and for civilian self defense. Tanfoglio was also the first out of the 2 to use polymer frame. CZ then copy all the modifications and made them there own. Tanfoglio is my competition gun all around better gun!
So I ran a Stock 2 extreme for a good while. Loved it. Balance is killer. Return to zero is great. I ended up switching out for a Tanfo Limited Pro which is a shorter dust cover than the Stock 2 but longer slide. The balance is more similar to a 1911, and feels great to me. I made the switch so I could run the same gun in USPSA Production and in IDPA as well which the Lim Pro is a heater in! The Shadow 2 trigger has a more similar shape to the Tanfo Extreme trigger profile and I think that is what they were going for. Some love it some hate it. I swapped out all the guts in my Lim Pro and it’s is kinda crazy how good it feels but is a touch primer sensitive now. Have to run Winchester or Federal. Great video! Backs up my opinion so extra likes lol
Many thanks for this. I’m a new shooter looking for their first pistol and based on everything I’ve seen to date it was going to be a Shadow 2 all the way. However I went to the European outdoor show, and alongside all the other big makers there was a Tanfoglio stand and I had the opportunity to try the Stock 2 against the Shadow 2 back to back. The Tanfoglio felt really good, and so I came on here to find out what I was missing. Turns out nothing…. I might have to change my plans.
I have a s2 with the slide lightened for CO in idpa and the reduced weight of the slide and reduced recoil spring where the best things i have done. 11lb recoil spring with a 13 to 15 lb hammer spring to help with slowing the slide down while keeping primer ignition consistent
The newer IFG Tanfo small frame ejection looks to be much improved compared to the older EAA large frame Stock 2 which the brass bounces around the ejection port and sometimes gets caught when the slide moves forward.
very accurate observations
I too bought a Shadow 2 for Production. When CO took off, I had a slide milled from CGW for the SRO and the CGW trigger upgrade on my Shadow 2 (maybe 3-4 years ago?). While that was going on, I got an optics ready CZ P10F and I built a Glockish G17 clone with Brownell's Polymer 80 super rough texture frame with a cheap Brownell's slide that was optic ready. Long story short...I'm fastest with my cheapo build. The return to zero is better for me on my build. I did add the brass LOK grips to the Shadow 2 but I haven't ran it yet in a match. I added the Timney trigger (when they came out) in most of my Glocks. Still love CZ though.
I went with the Tanfo because the grip is a little bigger (large frame) than the CZ. I have a limited pro and the defiant stock master, both set up for carry optics. I prefer the limited pro because the defiant stock master is very nose heavy. However the big negative for me on the tanfos for carry optics is that when you add an extended basepad to increase your mag capacity (both guns are the large frame) to 23 rnds you have to add some dimples between where the rib on the mag ends and the top of the base pad to facilitate reliable feeding of the rounds.
Love the hard Chrome as well .
I agree with your point about there being too much weight up front on the Shadow 2.
I like the Shadow 2 but have a much better performance at speed with a Rival, G34.5, Stac P, or even a M9A4 when going fast vs the Shadow 2. They need a Shadow 3 that is Stac P length with lightening cuts
I’m gonna pick up a short reach kit for the shadow 2 in hopes it helps with the double action. I’m having same issue pulling the first shots
Shadow 2 is like $900 new now on sale. I got a polymer Tanfoglio for $200. It can hang with the Shadow 2 in an experienced shooters hands, but it's closer to the SP-01. Still a great deal in today's market.
I own two CZ's and have competed for 8-9 years now. I would say the comments on the gun finishes definitely is something to consider. If I did it over again I think I would go the Tanfo route just for the hard chrome finish alone. Another thing I experience is that my CZs hate heavy bullets. When competing a lot of shooters prefer 147 gr bullets for more of a push feel. The accuracy/spread really opens up for me at that bullet weight. Whereas if I use 135s I get accuracy similar to what this video shows for the Tanfo - bullet holes almost touching at 20-25 yards. Similar with 124/125 gr. Not sure if this is just me, but both my CZ are identical in that regard. I've never used a Tanfo so I'd be interested to hear others if they experience this with either gun.
I shoot 115 grain in my S2 and it will shoot the same hole at 25 yards.
Nice review as always. It would be fun if some could sent you an Arma Zeka AZ-P1 sports optic 2 ( also an Chech brand and ZC 75 clone -about 45 min drive from the ZC factory) - it have some interesting solutions that not Tan or CZ have - never tried them but the look really nice
Yes!! Grazie!
I have a CZ Shadow 2 with optic ready 2021 and i like it i change the trigger with a strait trigger and the sprigs with a lighter spring , the ambi safety with a extended safety _ but i poses a 1994 Tangfoglio Witness Silver team 5,5 inch barrel Excellent gun
This video I was looking forward to, as well as pleasantly surprised. I had a defiant stock master that I loved (just at the range, no comp.), but cut it loose as it was in .45 acp. I had been looking hard at CZ to replace it with , then the s2 OR dropped state side (after IFG started doing the exporting?), adding to my confusion. Great , informative video. Also, since you can't call it a "pasta blaster" without thinking about a Berreta , I took to calling the stock master the "Gabegool"
Love my stock ii and my my poly match. Finding parts has always been a struggle especially mags
When I shot production I had a Stock 2 and a Shadow 2...sold them both. I found them to be too heavy. I kept my regular SP01 with a few Cajun parts installed. After all it's 9mm, there isn't all that much recoil.
I shot IPSC production optics with the Shadow 2. I agree with you 100% about the Shadow 2 stock trigger shape. The reach is too far on the initial double action trigger pull. I haven't shot the tanfoglio, but at the end of the day they are both excellent handguns.
Aren't there aftermarket triggers that shorten the reach for the Shadow 2 trigger for DA?
Yes, there are. @@gair1944
There both such nice guns that for me to choose is not all that easy. In the end I'd be happy with either but if pushed to choose I'd go with the Tanfoglio. I've got huge hands so the TZ is better in that regard and I don't care for poly finishes available on the CZ. I prefer a hard finish like hard chrome or no finish on an all stainless gun. Those things being said if you like the CZ better I get it as it does fit smaller hands better, the trigger out of the box is better and many prefer the poly type finishes. Either gun for me needs a trigger job to create a more crisp SA and as smooth and light DA as possible.
You can get a thumb safety for the Shadow 2 and if using either of these guns for competition, you would get some trigger work done. Maybe swap out the recoil spring too. I added a competition hammer to my Shadow 2 as well. In IPSC you can use aftermarket triggers now as well, so flatter-shaped triggers are an option too.
Yeah but you aren’t making the shadow 2 frame as good as the Tanfo
@@TheHumbleMarksman True.
In some unboxings the S2 Was delivered with the thumb Rest safety. I bought mine 4 months ago. No extra safety in the Box. But over All i am fine with it. Only the Single Action is not as crisp as i want to have it.
Love the video and of course not everyone thinks the same. I love the CZ more for the reasons you don’t lol and as for the lack of a thumb safety all of mine comes with the extended safety so idk what that’s about. And the hand fitment of course is different. I have no issue locking my wrist and the gun sits super flat under recoil and returns to zero perfectly for me. And mine is stock as well. Wont be for long though lol
I got to shoot the Tanfo defiant stock master and its an excellant pistol. I've have shot the Shadow 2 and it is very nice also.
A little off topic because my Tanfo is a longslide witness hunter , SA, but oh my , after getting it to the range and in the field , everything else just seems a fad or waste of time , luv the gun , great video .
Hopefully Tanfo's reliability has gone up to where it actually can be...relied on. I owned two Stock 2s in 2016-2018 that I spent 150% of base price on just to make them run. Sent them to people from Bodkin to Patriot Defense. Nada. Spoke to Stoeger who was, more or less, a brand ambassador then who conveyed that 2016 guns were "****ed". I guess Tanfos are like Italian wine, there could be a good vintage year or there could be a bad vintage year.
I own 2 stock 2’s 10 mm
A 10 mm witness and a 9mm witness and I have never had a problem with any of them right out of the box.
Man! That CZ looking crisp and flat in that intro. I shot the CZ and is a very soft shot. No wonder so popular in competition
I've owned a Tanfoglio Whitness 75 from the late 80's before CZ could be imported. Paid $290 for it on auction in 2007. I've shot over 5,000 rnds of all types, some that wouldn't fire reliably in my other 9mms. It eats everything I've feed it without ONE, not ONE malfunction of any kind.
One regret is letting my Stock 2 get away. But I found it harder to get parts and work done on it. At the time Cajun wasn’t working on them but that was 4-5 years ago
I've shot both and functionally I never found them to be so much better that it would make a real world difference. I like the hard chrome (the only finish acceptable) on the Tanfo. The S2 was much easier to get for a long time and as a long time CZ shooter, the S2 was a natural evolution. If I had to buy brand new, I'd pick the S2 simply because the Tanfo still feels cheap when you run it. It's a minor thing to quibble over but that's always been my biggest tick against the gun. Either way, with the availability of aftermarket parts now, you're going to get a great gun.
Can’t understand what you mean by the Tanfo feels “cheap.” Weight? Materials? Just a weird qualifier. Perhaps since you’re a long time CZ shooter, you are more accustomed to it than the Tanfo. But, cheap? Really?
@@scottmackey4182 If you manipulate the guns next to each other, you can hear the difference. The fit and finish of the CZ is noticeably better. Everything glides compared to the Tanfo that has more of a sloppy tolerance feel. As I mentioned, this is a minor point. I quite like the Tanfo guns. It's just something (I) notice and for my preferences, I dislike.
Shadow 2 is ńose heavy and didnt come with a bull barrel
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
Best review I’ve seen of these 2 pistols, nice job!
Question, I’m just getting into 10mm and it doesn’t sound like CZ is making a newer 10 anytime soon.
Can you recommend a Tangfolio 10 that looks like the pistol in this review. Thank you!
No experience with it - sorry!
Just got a steel framed defiant. Want to see if it's as good as the CZ I have.
Another great review. On dropping the hammer. Call me a wimp but I always pinch with WH thumb and finger. I have ROed two shooters who cooked off a round lowering the hammer with their thumb. Beyond the DQ, the slide comes back and smashes your thumb and thumbnail. If I screw up using the pinch the slide pushes the thumb and finger out of the way. I ran an open Tanfo back in the day because, well, Grauffel the Great did. Lets just say I hope reliability, parts and dealer support have improved. Sounds like it has.
I own three CZs: Shadow SP01, Shadow 2 and TS02 green single action only. The TS02 is the best gun I have tried so far, so much so that I don't even bother taking it to the range because it's no fun and I am training only with the hardest gun I own (glock 17). I quite dislike the creep that there is in the trigger of both Shadows and I am talking about the issues I experience in single action. At some point I will try the Tanfoglio stock 2... if I find a place where I can try it before buying it.
It looks like they changed a few things I did not like about the tangfo. I tried it in 2017 and went with a CZ shadow custom. I have been looking at a CZ S2, but the tangfo is looking much better. I will be shooting production with it. I thought the grip of the tangfo was was too big to comfortably reach the trigger. I wish I could find one to handle before just hoping they fixed it enough to be easy to reach.
I'm a CZ guy but yea the drop safe is prettyyyy prettyyyy cool. That and the beaver tail being longer I think I'd use a Tanfo over a CZ in competitions. No I have never competed but would like to some day.
Looking to narrow my model search for the tanfoglio as i type. Thanks
I'm not surprise with your assessment as another youtuber basically echoed the same sentiments. I also own both guns and just like you, I've gravitated to the CZ first as a production gun and even with an optic I didn't shoot it as good as I wanted to. When you're trying to accomplish speed and accuracy in a competition, balance matters and that's where the Tanfo shines.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
@@filippoferrari7176 Like I've mentioned, the Tanfoglio is just a bit more balanced; however, out of the box the CZ S2 has a better trigger system and I had to upgrade the Tanfoglio's trigger, having a bit heavy on on double action. But you really can't go wrong with either gun. I like the CZ due to more after market support and parts. That said, it all depends on the application of the gun or what it's purpose.
Try to get a full Xtreme trigger unit for your stockII.... a huge improvement.
(and a decent pair of grips, Lok Grips are excellent!)
Another thought. I agree the Shadow 2 is nose heavy. I like my old school SP01 Shadow more. Just personal preference.
For accountants and dentist that want to brag about their expensive gun. The truth behind that statement almost made me fall out of my chair laughing 😂
😂 I’m no accountant or dentist. And don’t laugh at me but the shadow 2 is my edc. Maybe in 3 years I’ll have enough money to buy a staccato cs.
It made me laugh alot 😃 , well as a dentist I carry a Nighthawk Vice president Commander 2011, and i shot 1.5" group with it at 15 yards, this is what gives me the bragging rights 😁
I literally just looked up pricing on both guns. The Tanfoglio was usually more expensive than the Shadow II.
It is a funny comment. FWIW I'm a lawyer and have a tanfoglio. If I am honest, a big reason I bought it is just because it's awesome. If I am going to buy something, I choose the awesome one over the less awesome one.
Cz75 clones are for hipsters with actual taste!
I would like to hear if you ever do a trigger up grade on the Tanfoglio to deal wit th issues you mentioned
I generally don't wrench on guns anymore. But I've pulled worked on tanfo triggers - they're pretty nice.
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
Gotta love an honest review. I've got an S2 OR. One of the first things I changed was to install an extended left-side safety so I could have a ledge for my thumb. Vastly improves the handling for me (along with Lok brass grips). I like, but don't necessarily love, the S2. The Tanfo would be interesting to try. Are large Tanfo frames equivalent to CZ TS2 frames in size/shape? I kinda love my TS 2 Green frame even tho when initially pick it up it doesn't feel as natural as my S2 or TSO. But when I'm shooting it, I appreciate being able to get more of my support hand in contact with the grip and I tend to shoot it more consistently. Thanks for the informative, bad for my bank account reviews!
Interesting thoughts. How do you compare the palm feel of the green vs the brass grips on the shadow? I really want to add some counter weight to the frame of my shadow but I'm not sure palm swell is right for my small hands
@Sarah K I've got brass lok palm swells on both the S2 and TSO. The TSO has the lighter weight version just cause I was curious about them. I love palm swells but man, it's so different for everybody. I have a naturally "round" grip. When I grasp flat sided grips there's a space/void where my hands cup around the sides. The palm swells fill it up. Hope that makes sense. They make non palm swell brass grips you could try. Or try the swells - Lok rocks when it comes to returns/exchanges. They really do want you to end up with something you'll like. I do appreciate the counter weight of the brass and they're far more grippy than I ever thought they'd be.
@@SEAKPhotog I really appreciate your reply, I didn't know LOK made a thin one or about their customer service! I just went ahead and got both so I can send one back!
@Sarah K Nice! Hope you like one of them. I took advantage of their sale and ordered a pair of lighter-weight brass grips for the S2. The more I use the lighter version on the TS2 the more I think they may be my sweet spot.
I've shot a tanfoglio stock ii from a shop's rental, it was so smooth compared to the pos 1911 45s I usually shoot because back then I didn't have my own gun
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I'm impressed! You touched nearly all points and differences. Like the trigger reach in DA with the Shadow 2 which is a problem for many. I will be ordering the stock 2 OR as a backup gun to take with me to the EHC next year. I'm still shooting production but not sure how long my eyesight will stay good. And I can switch over to PDO if I want. You can get both triggers top notch!
Another thing that is mentioned by allot of CZ shooters who handle my gun, the bull barrel makes racking the slide easier. Also, they have a better grip on the slide. (I've got the old serrations yet on my match gun)
Forgive my ignorance but how does the bull barrel allow it easier to grip the slide?
@@czwarlord9243 I said it makes racking the slide easier,not gripping. It's a cone bull barrel, once unlocked there is no friction compared to a regular barrel and bushing.
The grip on the slide is more thanks to it's shape compared to the shadow 2. It makes handeling it just a tad easier.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
@@filippoferrari7176 they are 9x19 (Luger) bud.
Outside of what he already said the shadow 2 has a smaller frame than the Tangfo. So if you have small hands then you might consider the s2. I also do have a large frame Tangfolio in 10mm. I still shoot it well, but I prefer the shadow 2 frame personally.
Great review - thank you. Since both guns are designed for competitive shooting, I'll be interested to compare customized Tanfoglio Stock 2 OR with customized Shadow 2 OR. Almost all competitive shooters sooner or later customize their guns, and as a result most of the differences between stock models will be eliminated. I'm mostly interested in performance in double action mode after all modifications, because in single action they both perfect. I'm shooting in USPSA and Steel Challenge. In USPSA - no questions, double action Shadow 2 OR is a good choice for me. In Steel Challenge - first shot from 5 should be done in double action mode and I usually leaning toward AXG 320. Thank you in advance.
At that point you are comparing the frames and barrels - which we compared here.
"Sooner or later"?? LOL I am shocked when I see a competitive shooter fire their first round before they modify their new gun!
I'm biased as I'm a Tanfo guy primarily because they fit my hands like a glove. Just recently purchased a Stock2 Xtreme small frame (I'm in Canada) and initially wasn't impressed with the trigger which was a 9.5lbs DA pull with lots of stacking right before the hammer let go and 3.75lbs SA albeit smooth with lots of pretravel. Installed Patriot Defense springs, bolo interrupter, and polished the rest and ended up with an even smoother 5.5lbs DA pull with very little stacking and 2.5lbs SA with almost no pretravel and no issues lighting off factory ammo (I don't reload). The black cerekote finish is wearing off from holster use - I have an older Stock3 and love that bluing finish. Your better off buying the hard chrome version and doing a trigger job if your looking at the Stock2 imho.
I miss the old style Tanfoglio slide serrations. The raised rear serrations on the new Tanfos are kinda gross :/
Damn, think I've been convinced to swap platforms. I keep finding myself wanting a frame safety for my shooting hand thumb because I feel like I'm not locking out right. Figured I was just telling myself something that wasn't really true. Apparently it is.
You can also choose Tanfoglio in different calibers
good video
Just found your channel, great content you have here, subscribed! :) (CZ is my pick ;) )
What are your thoughts on the Tanfoglio limited custom xtreme 9mm? Seen many of your vids really like that ome, torn between shadow 2.
I’m still leaning towards the LTT RDO
I have 2 friends at my shooting club and they are all over Tangfolio. One guy needed a new barrel on his old 40 cal Tang and they sent him one for free.
shot these 2 cupcakes and the tanfo has a better grip and more fun to shoot! anyhow they are both precise. hope u review the new tanfo stock 3 pro!
What is your take on the Stock 1 large frame? And if you have any knowledge… what other mags can I use on a Stock 1?
You are spot on here, I started with the shadow 2 and after handling some buddies stock 2’s I switched over. Anyone looking to shoot either should look into trigger parts, Cajun gun works for the shadow 2 and patriot defense for the stock 2. Both can get extremely competitive triggers for under 300$!
Did you ever try the Eemann Tech Ultimate Trigger for CZ along with their Eemann Tech Upgrade Kit For CZ SHADOW 2 makes a huge change in the gun.
what is the grip thickness on the stock2
with the red aluminum grip panels ?thanks,
I used to shoot stock2s a lot. I'm not into glocks because work switched to gen5 Tupperware.
I loved my stock2s, I agree with everything said in the video about them. I just wish that you could reliably get them to ignite cartridges at the same pull weights as a CZ, but it just doesn't work out that way. It wa soever a problem for me.
Also, the tanfo is a CZ large frame clone so that's why it feels so much hbetter in hand.
Does the tanfoglio fit the CZ holsters..? I'm looking really hard for a light bearing holster for my Tanfoglio stock 1 in 10mm but can't find one anywhere
Tanfoglio vs Q4SF next, please! :)
Hard choice but I'm partial to that Tanfoglio
I love my shadow 2 it’s the best handgun I’ve ever shot. Fast and accurate. Also very reliable. And the cz comes with a spare large safety so that can be switched easily for free.
Mine didn’t
Mine came with a extended safety aswell it helps alot, love my shadow 2
The optic ready S2 does not come with the spare ledge safety or extra fiber like the regular S2, at least in the US. You get an extra mag, and all 3 mags are nickel instead. Majority of all the OR S2's I've seen since they came out are this way.
@@paradisearcade8386 yup, mine has no extended safety like you stated.
The shadow 2 is Nitrided, not polycoat on the black ones. The Urban Grey ones were polycoated over the nitride, iirc.
My black one is nitrided AND poly coated
Tanfoglio for me. But honestly there is no wrong answer here. I have a Dan Weason DWX that I absolutely love as well! It’s another great contender to these two. And there is a new optics ready variant coming soon! It was announced at the NRA show!
Have you ever shot the SAR K12 Sport? It seems like an even less expensive clone of these type of pistols ha. Wouldn’t mind trying one myself.
It’s a limited gun and not a carry optics gun. Limited isn’t for me.
I think thumb safety make lot difference between them. I would like to see updated comparison with Shadow2 extended safety.
it wouldn't change much. The frames on the tanfo are superior - the thumb safety would help the CZ but it won't draw level.
Hey David, you mention the Tanfoglio is Ambi.
As I am a left handed person...does that mean the safety and slide release can be moved to accomadte me?
No - sorry just the safety
I actually carry my tanfoglio defiant stock master. It is a heavy gun, but man is it a beautiful gun. Well worth the $1300. Very flat shooter as well.
How would you say that either compares to your previously lauded CO guns like the LTR RDO and/or Sig AXG? Would love to see a CO pistol roundup vid.
Hah I was writing a script for that as we speak
@@TheHumbleMarksman looking forward to it. I have a few dozen to a couple hundred rounds through Shadow 2s and LTT RDOs, but have somehow managed to never shoot a P320 thus far.
I've shot the Shadow and the Stock II, but as Xtreme version. Ended up with the Tanfoglio, was simply better for me, felt smoother, heavier barrel was more my thing, grip was better for me
Is the Tanfoglio legal for IDPA optics division? Im looking to get into the IDPA but I'm not sure what gun I should get? I'm open to suggestions. Right now I'm looking at a Walther PPQ Q5 SF, 9mm. Thanks!!
Competed with Shadow 2 in production. Unfortunately I don’t own a stock 2. However I do own a couple of witnesses in 10mm. I do find my hands fit the smaller frame of the shadow 2 better. I feel like I can get a higher grip. However I do have hobbit hands so there is that. I’m interested in running the smaller framed tangfolios since IFG seems to be importing them now. What is your opinion on the limited pro vs stock master in the small frame for carry optics? Which one would you prefer? Are the small Tangfolio the same size as the shadow 2 frames? Since the small frames in years past are unobtanium I haven’t been able to put my hands on one.
I have no clue - I have never held a small frame
USPSA competitor with a Beretta 92X so no real dog in the “red v blue” fight. However, if I had to pick one, I’d probably go with the Shadow 2 simply because of its popularity, availability of aftermarket support and prior experience with CZ USA’s warranty folks (had an early P-10 C with “doubling” issues). I get that the Stock 2 is probably going to be objectively better in competition but probably not enough for me at my current skill level to really notice a difference.
From what I heard from these pistols from competitive shooter users is that Tanfoglio is more resistent in long term.
Tanfo vs Canik Rival? Big boy vs a middleweight??
I have two Tangfolio racing guns but can not find magazines. Where can I find magazines for Tangfolio?
I found the CZ shadow 2 difficult to run. I have very long slender fingers and have long reach triggers on all my 1911’s to achieve optimal trigger ergos. In single action the CZ trigger reach is ultra ultra ultra short… like I can get my second finger joint around the trigger. So with normal trigger work my finger is really bent up crooked etc. Man I would heinously throw lows and low lefts… then going back to my other ergonomically optimized long reach pistols would set me back on the learning curve. Ended up replacing the shadow with a P10F… which has fantastic my hand ergos and balance. The manufacturing quality of CZ pistols is bar none.
Different pistols fit different hands that’s for darn sure.
Both models are widely available where I am where IPSC production is still a thing. The Tanfoglio is even imported by the biggest gun dealer in my country, yet even their sponsored shooters have switched to the CZ.
The trigger on the CZ is not only better stock, but much better even when both are tuned. What Tanfoglio needs to do is get rid of that firing pin block safety, because shooters can't disable them (illegal in IPSC production) without being moved to open. With it, the Tanfoglio will always be like a series 80 Colt and will never match up with a series 70 trigger.
Plus, the CZ trigger can be made infinitely better using OEM CZ parts such as the competition hammer (found of the Shadow Orange) and a pre-B disconnector. That matters at equipment check, because the hammer is an obvious external mod that is usually disallowed by a keen-eyed IPSC checker.
The next thing they should do is design the Tanfoglio to take a longer hammer spring. Because, while you can get a lighter trigger on the Tanfoglio by changing hammer springs, the shorter spring doesn't last. After maybe 300 rounds that light Tanfoglio hammer spring is toast and light strikes happen often.
Everything else is good on both guns. The Tanfoglio has a better barrel slide interface with the bull barrel; the CZ uses a bushing that wears down easily.
The safety lever to bear down on is a non-issue IMHO, as it is easy enough to swap out the SA safety for a wider one, in fact many CZ Shadow 2s came with an extra safety free of charge. There's a lot of choices as far as safety levers go, even OEM, because single action TS safeties work on the Shadow 2.
The muzzle dip issue on the Shadow 2 is also easily correctible simply by using lighter recoil springs.
patriot defense triggers? any experience w? flatter would be better.. all CZs i have, have CGW Pro trigger... how is the comparison to PD?
you need to get your hands on Xcalibur from GP , too bad CO Match version still isn't in US , but still ,probably one of the best production triggers out of the box . I'm gonna send mine to be milled , might run it next year in co
Supposedly it’s awaiting ATF approval
@@TheHumbleMarksman yeah, been there since before Covid
Can you review tanfoglio limited custom.