Gloucestershire Echo - Monday 7 June 1937: "All the suitable sections of the old Waterloo Bridge were soon sold as souvenirs and are now scattered all over the country, but odd pieces of the fine timber used for the supporting piles keep cropping up in unexpected places. Some of this Canadian silver elm, which had remained under the water from 1817, when the bridge was built, until its demolition in 1936, was used for panelling in the coaches of the new L.M.S. Coronation Scot, and now I have discovered that a large section was used for the doors of the Annexe to Westminster Abbey through which the King and Queen passed to their Coronation. These doors are handsome pieces in themselves, their combined sentimental and historical associations with both the Coronation and Rennie's famous bridge make them most highly and widely coveted."
The dismantling of Rennie's elegant Waterloo Bridge to make way for a wider and more practical concrete alternative caused major rows in the 1930s similar to the destruction of the Euston Arch in the 1960s. Nice to hear that some of the structure was put to good use.
The paneling on the inside of the Jubilee State Coach that will be used in Charles III Coronation contains wood from HMS Victory, the Mary Rose and other notable ships and buildings.
Someday I'll head east to Quebec and see "Dominion of Canada" in person. Probably because of patriotism, DoC is my favourite of the A4s. Sir Nigel Gresley is my second favourite, but I'm much less likely to see that irl. Greetings from Alberta!
@@paulhaynes8045 Coronated seems to be an in-word nowadays, presumably a back-formation from coronation. Crowned must be too ordinary or something - or maybe I'm just getting old!
Coronation is a word used by 6 year old children when they don't know the proper word is crowned. Many Americanisms are just that childish drivel spoken by people who have no idea how to speak English properly. There's no reason to emulate them
HMLQG (Her Majesty Late Queen Grandmother)? That's my guess Mmm, Flying Hamburger. Both sets of trains look so sharp. I'm glad in some small way newer trains are getting back to those design principles.
Ah, those magnificent streamliners. Must've been exciting being a trainspotter in the late 1930's and seeing the streamliners race past. The streamlining on the A4s has aged like fine wine and still looks cutting edge today. A point about the livery of the Coronation Scot, the only set of coaches to carry the red & gold livery was the set that went to America with Duchess of Hamilton. In fact, the Coronation Scot was exclusively the domain of the five blue & silver Coronations. The red & gold engines meanwhile worked ordinary expresses. It was planned to make red & gold the standard livery of the Coronation Scot from 1940 onwards but the outbreak of war and the resulting withdrawal of the service put paid to that, so the Coronation Scot was always blue & silver.
Not so much fun if you lived on the London-Birmingham line as the streamliners were banned from entering due to a height restriction or something. They were banned again when electrification took place.
It would have been rare indeed to get to see one, there is also a paucity of actual film of them in action. If you watch the film Brief encounter, there is a fleeting glimpse of one. It's not exactly right that later ones would be built un-streamlined, the first 10 or so were five streamlined, the other half not; presumably as a comparator. Since in practice only 11 or so Princess and 39 Princess coronations were built, you'd be extremely lucky to see one of only fifty engines on that top link. Humdrum fare would have been Jubilees and Scots ( impressive in their own right and still quite new.)
The Coronation sent to the USA was really number 6229, Duchess of Hamilton, a red one, but it was renumbered 6220, and renamed Coronation. Meanwhile, the original Coronation became 6229, and renamed Duchess of Hamilton. The correct identities were restored after the War. 6220-6224 were blue streamliners, 6225-9 were red streamliners, and 6230-4 were not streamlined. The red streamliners were supposedly the best looking, and 6235-44 were turned out in this livery before wartime economy bit. 6245-8 were black streamliners. 6249-56 and 46257 were not streamlined, but the first four were originally scheduled to be, as they had streamlined tenders. The LMS began to remove the streamlining in 1946, and all but three had been done at nationalisation in 1948. BR then prevaricated, as it was not until the autumn of 1949 that the last one lost its streamlining, and it even carried its BR number, 46243.
@@NTSCuser I think the restriction was the tunnel at the eastern approach to New Street, or possibly the bridge between the tunnel and the station. That bridge was removed when the redevelopment of Birmingham City Centre began, possibly as early as 1957. Latterly LMS Pacifics were allowed into New Street; there are photos of them in that station in sixties railway magazines. Pacifics were allowed on the Stechford to Aston line, avoiding New Street. They could be found on this line whenever there was electrification work between Rugby and Crewe, which would have been most Sundays in the early sixties.
@@andrewtaylor5984 In fact, I don't think they were ever banned from New Street, as 6235 visited the station for her official naming ceremony in 1945 and again for the station's centenary in 1954. I believe the only reason why Duchesses were rare at New Street until their later years was simply because the loadings on the Birmingham line rarely needed anything bigger than a Jubilee. They were more common in their later years when class 40 diesels took over the premier West Coast expresses and so the Duchess were used on whatever duty was available. Loading gauge issues did prevent a plan to transfer Duchesses to the Southern Region, though.
@2:57, that would have looked daringly modern back in the day. The Duchess class was beautiful and must have been an impressive sight when the coaches had matching livery.
Vivian Ellis’s Coronation Scot, so evocative of express steam-hauled trains was used as the theme to the BBC Radio Series “Paul Temple”. Much entertaining.
The Great Depression was one reason for the spurt of express passenger rail service in both the U.K. and the U.S.A. The Depression left large blocks of "track space" available for running a high-prestige express train much faster than all the other passenger and freight trains running about. WWII increased demand for rail transport in both countries, leading to the end of the 100+ running previously enjoyed. Notice that the Coronation and Coronation Scot were both out in the country during the afternoon peak-time period when the tracks were demanded for stopping commuter train services.
@@Gma7788 - Complaining? Model trains? -- I'm noting something that many people don't know about the "Golden Age" of passenger trains in the 1930s: Freight traffic was in sharp decline, and streamlined passenger trains was a good way to bring in more revenue. In fact, in the worst Depression years, some of the fanciest passenger trains of the 1920s were combined to cut operating costs.
The Coronation Scot was scheduled to leave both London and Glasgow at 13.30. The LMS was opposed to a later departure, as this would have interfered with the night freight traffic. It was not a great deal of use for the business traveller, even though there was plenty of business travel between London and Glasgow, and vice versa. The Coronation left London at 16.00 and Edinburgh at 16.30, but there was not a great deal of business traffic between London and Edinburgh, and vice versa, in those days. Within months, the down Coronation had a Newcastle stop added, in an attempt to fill the train. (The up train always stopped there.) At the time there was far more business travel from Tyneside and Teesside to London.
@@andrewtaylor5984 - Thanks for that information. If I recall, the famous "Flying Scotsman" was a traditional 10 a.m. departure, right? Well after the morning rush, but arriving in the capitals in time for supper. I have a copy of the famous "Take Me By the Flying Scotsman/Leaves King's Cross at 10 a.m. Weekdays" LNER poster.
@@pacificostudios That is right. There was one disadvantage which the US railway press spotted; the train left London too late for breakfast and arrived in Edinburgh too early for dinner. The Restaurant Car staff did two, sometimes three, lunch sittings, however. The 10.00 departure from London remained until the HST era. Owing to major track and resignalling work in Scotland just before the HST came on the scene, the Edinburgh departure time was changed to 09.50, in order to keep its path from Newcastle southwards.
You made good use of your visit to the Railway Museum. It encouraged us to make another visit while breaking our journey. The Museum is a bit of a 'work in progress' at the moment, though. We will go again in a couple of years.
A few things i noticed, Namely, that 1- The coronations streamlining was not added by Stanier, but instead by Chief Technical Assistant and Chief Draughtsman, Tom Coleman as Stanier was away for business in India 2- Coronations streamlining was not just "it looked pretty" while not as effective as that of the LNER A4s, it was wind tunnel tested and showed to be "as good as other forms of streamlining" however, did have the unfortunate downside of not creating enough lift to push smoke from the chimney clear of the drivers view at times 3- During the speed record, the only reason coronation had issues, was because she was approaching a station, and ended up going over a point faster than intended, the fact she didn't derail is a testament to how stable these locomotives were.
I wonder what it might have led to if Gresley hadn't been obsessed with steam, and the North Eastern Railway's plan to electrify the York - Newcastle section of the ECML had gone ahead. Imagine what electrically powered high speed trains they might have come up with
Was Gresley obsessed with steam? The LNER could not afford the cost of electrification - though in the late 1930s they did start electrifying the line between Manchester and Sheffield via Woodhead and Gresley did design the prototype of the EM1 electric locos. Diesel was very much in its infancy prewar.
@@rolandharmer6402 The Woodhead electrification was authorised under the "New Works" scheme, but war broke out before much progress could be made. It was later discovered that there was insufficient clearance for masts and wiring in the single-track Woodhead Tunnels. A new double-track tunnel was authorised in 1947, astonishingly, given the need to restore so much after six years of war. It is nothing short of a waste of resources that this tunnel was part of a main line for only 15 years. (One snag was the Modernisation Plan announced a few months after the Woodhead electrification was complete. All future overhead electrification was to be high voltage AC, whereas Woodhead was DC and a relatively low voltage.) Incidentally, the other tunnel on this line, Thurgoland, was too narrow for overhead electrification, so a second tunnel was bored. This was less of a problem compared to Woodhead as the tunnels are only about 300 yards long.
As someone who earned a degree in Industrial Design but likely should have just pursued my true passion for design history, rather than make an arguably misdirected attempt to become a practicing designer as I did, the Art Deco/Streamline Moderne era is still perhaps my most favourite, encompassing everything from products to architecture to transport design; I drew from it as inspiration quite often in my own student work, years ago. This latest installment of yours on notable streamliners across the pond was much appreciated - I only wish that it could have gone on longer!
And in this case, not only did the locomotives look good but they were fine and successful pieces of engineering, which continued to haul the top-ranked expresses on both routes long after the war and after nationalisation until final supplanted by diesels. So they were the pinnacles of British steam design.
Was waiting for this video, growing up i was obsessed with the mallard and the streamlined A4s, after that I fell in love with the inter City 125, cabt wait for the video on that now
The Silver Jubilee and Coronation trains, with their streamlined locos and articulated coaches with Jacobs bogies and valences under the coaches, are like a steam-powered Eurostar (TMST/373) in my eyes. If only they’d built the channel tunnel in the 1890s!
The Coronation Scot in red with gold stripes had almost exactly the same paint scheme as the streamlined American GG1 electric locomotives introduced two years earlier in 1935.
The Princess Coronations (that I grew up with in Watford), as soon as wartime paint and grime covered their (to me) ugly bulbous cladding, looked a far cry from the red and gold of before. Even the postwar bevelled smokeboxes looked funny. I just loved them in their final manifestation, especially in pseudo LMS maroon.
8:41 - We see Old Albert the Fitter using a barstard file on the smoke box door catch while mumbling the words "I'll make the bu99er fit if it bl00dy kills me" - meanwhile his mate Arthur is wondering why he has so many metal fillings in his Brylcreem. Hand fettling at it's best.
It's interesting that Gresley would never let Stanier run a Duchess on the East Coast, because if he had then it would likely have beaten Mallard quite comfortably - almost certainly why!
All the chief mechanical engineers of the Big Four knew each other and conversed professionally through the Institution of Engineers. Gresley was president in 1936, Stanier in 1941 and Bulleid in 1945. Other former presidents whose names would be familiar include Aspinall, Raven, Fowler and the first two presidents were named Stephenson.
It is a shame that the Gresley articulated coaches did not survive, and also an innovative use of a black and white image to illiterate the shades of blue used on said coaches! 😊
At least we still have both of the beavertail observations still around. And who knows, maybe with new steam engines being built for mainline operation, someone might set themselves the goal of building a new LNER Coronation trainset for use on the mainline with either SNG or Bittern. Of course, the beavertails would bring up the rear and be mainline ready as well so as to make the train complete.
One articulated set was destroyed in the war, and two sets were destroyed in a fire at Huntingdon on 14 July, 1951. We can at least be thankful that there was no loss of life, but 22 passengers suffered minor injuries such as cuts and burns.
Soon after the Coronation was launched, the LNER added the West Riding Limited, from KX to West Yorkshire. It too had a purpose-built rake of streamlined coaches and lasted only two years before the Second World War. The journey took just under four hours to Leeds Central, just over four to Bradford Exchange. The inaugural trip on 9/27/37 was hauled by 'Dominion of New Zealand'.
@@nevreiha If you look at old timetables, Bradford has much better rail connections today than it has ever done in the past, at least to all the major places. It's even got London trains by two different routes... Sure, there's no through carriages to Margate in the summer any more, but why would anyone from Bradford want them? ;-)
The West Riding took 165 minutes from London to Leeds, and started from, or continued to, Bradford. Gresley used steam power because a German consultant was convinced that with diesel traction, the best time he could offer was four hours ten minutes from London to Newcastle. Gresley was determined to have a steam train which could do the journey in four hours flat, and he succeeded. Incidentally, there is an error in the commentary. The Coronation was scheduled to do the London to Edinburgh run in six hours, not six and a half. The Coronation Scot from Euston to Glasgow took six and a half hours.
The name 'West Riding Limited ' was reintroduced by LNER a few years back for the half six Forster Square to London, the train which forms the 0700 'bullet train' getting in at 0859.
The streamlined West Riding ran from Leeds to Kings Cross in 165 minutes, not four hours. The return working took the same time. It was another 20 minutes or so to and from Bradford. Leeds to Kings Cross, or vice versa, in four hours would equate to an average speed of about 47 m.p.h.. The Silver Jubilee went from Newcastle to London in four hours, average speed 67 m.p.h.. As regards the number of sets, there was one for the Silver Jubilee, one for the West Riding, and two for the Coronation. There was also one spare set, for use on any of these trains. Most maintenance work on the sets would have been carried out at weekends, when the streamliners did not run.
I will enjoy the Coronation weekend Jago - I'll be taking my first ride of WMR's class 196 between Shrewsbury and Birmingham on Monday, and back again later in the day. Don't particularly care about the Coronation itself
The story that Gresley built the A4's as a response to German diesel express services is fairly well known. The question that is not often asked is why the UK was incapable of building diesel trains to compete, rather than squeezing out more performance from a technology that was obviously already near obsolescence.
If I trust lazerpig ("in defense of the crusader" is the video, i think) on this, and -extrapolate a bit- speculate a lot, i'll guess the following: it was partially lobbying by the railroads, partially prioritizing different technologies for military use, and partially the logistics of cheap british coal vs imported oil (of course, I don't know if these trains used fuel oil) In GB, it seems to have been mandatory to transport any load over a few tons by train- so no incentive to develop light diesel engines for road use. German diesels just where further along in developement- think of the breadmore tornado vs the engines used on the hindenburg and the s-boats. (slightly unfair, because there are at least 5 years between them) Maybe the navy had priority in oil use over everyone else, who were expected to use cheap and abundant coal? I'd also say u-boats where relevant, because they funneled money into german diesel research, while the uk just relied on it's surface navy that could be powered well by steam. Germany also worked on large 2-stroke marine diesels. Lastly, i'll mention the Napier Culverin. Licensed on the german Jumo 203/205 series, and after the war developed into the Deltic, the greatest engine ever, british or otherwise :D
I find the experience of regarding this video of CZcams to be quite exquisite when paired with an inspiring rendition of Vivian Ellis' "Coronation Scot" dispelled at partial volume in a separate tab of the browser. Do partake, friends, you know not what joy awaits you.
I remember travelling on a train pulled by The Union of South Africa, mind you I'm going back a bit now - it was damn near 20 years ago - I remember 2004 like it were yesterday.
2:00Well, the A4 was underneath pretty much the same as an A3; it had the same mechanical layout and the boiler was very similar to that on the A3s (to the extent that they were interchangeable; Flying Scotsman, if you'll pardon my language, ran prior to its most recent overhaul with an A4 boiler)
@@atraindriver It's a little more flattering and modern than "Elizabeth, the Dowager Queen", but as far as I know there was no requirement that she change her style from "Queen Elizabeth".
I don't feel old, but I remember my parents buying a 9 inch black and white TV mounted in a large walnut wooden cabinet, to watch the last Coronation. Huddled in the sitting room with several of the neighbours and the curtains drawn (you couldn't see the screen clearly in daylight otherwise!), it was nevertheless an impressive event. It's UHD colour this time round - should I close the curtains for added atmosphere? Putting on my rivet counter's hat, contrary to what you said about Stanier just liking the LMS streamlined locomotive design, several Coronation models were tested in a wind tunnel (see Wikipedia for images). However, they found that there were very few differences between any of them, and that streamlining made no difference to performance below about 60mph. Love your channel!
The wedge nose of the A4 lifted the smoke nicely (which became more of a problem as engines got more efficient as the blast became less blasty and the lack of a tall chimney meaning the smoke hugged the boiler)
In the Castle Museum at York they used to have a sitting room (actually, the Room) set up for watching the coronation in 1953 (maybe they still have it). I last saw it in the 1990s, and everybody who came up would say things like "My parents/grandparents had a room just like that." So definitely you need to do everything possible to ensure cultural continuity, because the number of us who can remember the last coronation is beginning to shrink noticeably.
@@michaelwright2986 Beamish (technically I think The North of England Museum, but everyone just calls it Beamish) is currently building/rebuilding/recreating - depending how you wish to view it - a 1950s town with a few elements already open to the public, including a 1950s family home. That's very much an "I remember those!" sort of place for me, despite being born somewhat later. It's when you go into the kids' bedroom and realise that half the toys there are things you had too that the heartstrings get tugged. The little pull-along dog-on-wheels nearly had me in tears for some reason...
I've heard nothing but complaints and whinging about model trains for the last 50 years. When is it going to end and you apologise for your disgusting behaviour for the last 50 years?
Hi Jago from sunny Spain where we are getting lots of sun which is good for our solar panels. However there is still no rain in sight for the next two weeks which is not good for the Cherry Festival in June because there won't be many cherries, nor, I fear, many peaches, olives or any of the other fruit grown here.
I feel as is blue was just the de facto color for British royalty, next to Purple of course. While not quite for the coronation, the new monarch’s first trip to Canada was marked with a transcontinental trip, with most of it over the Canadian Pacific. The engine in charge, H-1d 2650, wore a special blue & silver paint. Apparently George VI was a bit of an enthusiast, riding the cab when he could. So impressed was he with 2650, which wasn’t swapped out at any point during the journey, that he allowed Canadian Pacific to officially dub the lentils H-1d class, as well as the precursor and successor H-1c & e classes, as Royal Hudson’s. Much less official was the B&O, which styled its trains after British Royalty right down to the color scheme and one of its train names. That said, there’s some sort of irony with a train called the Royal Blue calling at the US Capital city, behind a President class Pacific
I would love you to do a video on the other two "big four" companies and their attempts at streamlining. Collett with his plasticine bits on a model of a Castle, which went ahead for a time. and of course the Bulleids with their "streamlined" sides on the West Country/Battle of Britain classes of Pacifics.
the GWR Really needed streamlining - going west it is into prevailing headwinds, but running into Paddington there is the normal westerly tailwind. Bristol to Birmingham has always been a grot crawl and the south wales valley lines only needed tank engines
As a lad, I thought those streamlined Bullied Pacifics were like something out of the future. But his most visually impressive engines were the rebuilt versions. Still the best looking engines ever built in my humble opinion.
My father was a locomotive fireman on The A4 Pacific mallard style locomotive,silver fox , He was conscripted in 1954 and after two years in Egypt ,did not become a locomotive driver, Though as The Fireman was allowed to act as driver along some length of The journey to York, many of The drivers being older than him had experience working on the Railway during The Blitz
Those carriages used in the Coronation in the past do look incredible and have been maintained very nicely. I have been watching the Coronation and it was amazing. And some of the locomotives are spectacular.
This episode could be your crowning glory. Nice looking engines. Almost makes me wish I could time travel back and take one a ride on a train hauled by one. (Yes I've been to York but they are missing something when they are static). Now wheres my Chicken in curry mayonnaise?
The NRM had planned to steam Duchess of Hamilton, but it never happened. Mallard was in steam in the 1980s but there are 3 other A4s in the UK & another 2 in North America. I believe Sir Nigel Gresley is in steam but Bittern & Union of South Africa are in museums.
@@TheRip72 And you can also travel behind Duchess of Sutherland (non-streamlined though) on main line railtours and again experience steam power at full speed.
@@TheRip72 Well, she was scheduled to do a railtour on 1st April, and some others round that time, though I don't know if she actually did. Would the overhaul have been before or after that?
Interesting. However, there were 3 LMS blue rakes for the 5 blue locos, and only 1 red set built as a prototype which went to the US with Duchess of Hamilton. The set did return in 1946 when it was standardised and used as regular coaching stock.
Just listened to the music YT wouldn't let you play - and it's the Paul Temple theme! I never realised it had a whole other existence... My God, though, I also never realised I was that old!
Weirdly enough, I got to this video straight after watching one of your previous videos, about Euston's abandoned underground station. The Coronation locomotives featured quite prominently.
Thanks so much for this, Jago. It all seems impossibly glamorous nowadays, doesn't it? Incidentally, the LNER had the advantage over the LMS of being half an hour quicker, departing KC at 4pm, arr. EW 10pm. For post- war equivalents, only the Elizabethan came close. Another Royal commemoration!
YT has a documentary from 1954 on the Elizabethan, with mock-Betjeman verse commentary. Featuring 'Silver Fox'. It was non-stop KX to Edinburgh, the longest scheduled service in the world then, but took half an hour more than the Coronation.
Dominion of Canada having graciously been cosmically restored at Sheldon is back in the (Montreal) Delson shed. Left to decay as it did for 40 years in its BR green livery.
Funny, i have just returned from a holiday in the UK (catching up on all the videos posted on my absence),and one of the highlights was a trip in such a Coronation observation car - now in use on the lovely Strathspey Railway) Thanks for making this coincidental reminder 🥰
Yes, loved the LMS Coronation Scot. I built a 4mm running model with full brass body and tender pressings about 100 years ago! Looked fantastic in raw polished brass and seemed a shame to paint it! Great little video! 😉👍
Yes very enjoyable.The 4cylinder Duchesses were the more powerful locomotives and it was indeed excellent performances to manage their timings between London - Glasgow and vice versa considering the trying gradients of Shap and Beattock.Good crews could surmount these gradients in a good locomotive without a Banker.The streamlining of the Duchesses wasn't that effective and created extra weight.The East Coast mainline was an altogether easier route and that together with the sleeker Gresley/Bugatti designed streamlining and engineering made for some spectacular high speed running particularly over the flat Fenland and southern stretches of the route.The climb out of London together with Stoke and Cockburnspath would be the only grades of any significance.I believe the beavertail observation car of the Coronation ended its days on the West Highland route and was used also on the Northern Belle luxury tour train.
In practice you can't really say that one type was more powerful than the other because there is no single measure of steam loco power, unlike a diesel engine. Tractive effort isn't a guide because it only applies at starting, and small-wheeled freight engines have higher values. I think Duchess of Abercorn had the highest recorded DBHP (drawbar horsepower) of nearly 3000, but an A4 Capercaillie had the best sustained effort on Tuplin's classification. Both have put in comparable performances on main line railtours, e.g. over Shap (and rebuilt Merchant Navies and the revitalised Duke of Gloucester have also achieved similar performances).
@@DavidWilson-hh2gn As they would; they were magnificent locomotives and the pinnacle of the LMS fleet. But likewise the GWR enginemen swore by their Kings, the LNER by their A4s and the Southern men by their Merchant Navies, all acclaiming them as the finest and fastest engines around. The BR crews also swore at (not by) Duke of Gloucester, but with reason, as it turned out after restoration that it hadn't been built to the correct design specification! All of them have turned in fine performances on main line railtours.
It's weird, I don't think i'd ever heard the name of the 'coronation scot' piece of music before, but as soon as you mentioned it I had a sense of what it would be - and that's exactly what it was czcams.com/video/VtchzNfcKvE/video.html&ab_channel=seftonwallet
Oh yes THAT one, thanks of the link. Along the same, er, lines there is a piece by Arthur Honegger called Pacific 231, which I think is rather good, if a rather silly way of classifying wheel arrangements, as the loco would fall on its side.
Fun fact: as the inaugural northbound run of the Coronation passed Alexandra Palace, it was followed by cameras of the BBC's infant television service, which was based at 'Ally Pally'. This was the world's first TV broadcast of a train.
2:19 In the forground of this photo is LNER W1 4-6-4 No 10000 which was rebuilt from a high pressure boiler locomotive. It never received a name hence why i can be identified here. Another note is that one of the A4s rostered to the Coronation No 4492 Dominion Of New Zealand had NZGR Five Chime whistle fitted to it. Theres a couple of sound recordings of it on CZcams.
@@Sophiebryson510 No we aren't. Admittedly I'm a dyed in the wool republican so don't move in cap-doffing, cringing-and-fawning-to-one's-betters circles but from what I can tell the whole charade seems to have engendered a tidal wave of apathy.
If he took the Mallard's colour from Bugatti, whose cars were painted French Racing Blue, then... there's a certain irony to the patriotic side of all this.
Vivan Ellis' music "Coronation Scot" was used as the theme tune for the BBC Radio series "Paul Temple." There are several of these series on CZcams which makes your being unable to use the music a bit silly.
It costs money to buy the rights to "broadcast" pieces of music, that is how copyright law works. Mr Hazzard could have bought those rights, but chose not to.
The Queen Mother would now be King Grandmother. Queen Mother referred to her being mother of the queen, not her being a queen herself. It's a strange title anyway. Historically the usual title was Dowager Queen.
She retained the title of Queen Elizabeth until her death, as did the wife of George V, Queen Mary. Her husband’s (George VI) funeral was known as ‘the funeral with the three Queens’ (Mary, Elizabeth (The Queen Mother) and Elizabeth II).
She was a queen (consort, then dowager). She would not be the King Gradmother - Queens Alexandra and Mary were not "King Mothers", during the reigns of their respective sons. I have a 1920 copy of the Book of Common Prayer, and the Prayer for the Royal Family cites "Alexandra, the Queen Mother". And the original 1662 edition has "Mary the Queen Mother" - Henrietta Maria, widow of Charles I)
No, no. There will be more complaints. You're world famous at complaining. I don't want to hear another complaint from a UK person EVER AGAIN! I THINK the world is familiar with all your complaints. You've been complaining for over 60 years in a row. Shut up! The Americans invented 500 more colours than sickly green. DEAL with it! I don't want to see another green English train EVER AGAIN! Give us a CHROME English version. Give us a STARSKY AND HUTCH STRIPED version for once in our life! Give me a tribal flame version! Give us a triple gold version with pink dots all over it!
Could one of these have an Art Deco pantograph installed & become the World's fastest electric kettle? Tickets printed on your tea bag & there's a 'little Urn' in every carriage : )
Articulated vehicles, double glazing, lightweight aluminium construction, forced ventilation, proper food from a kitchen - Sounds like the LNER were well ahead of time and it took BR a long time to catch up, and then regress - I'm looking at you IET.
Did I spy a shot of the Castle Class Pendennis Castle from last weekends Steam Gala on the Watercress Line? Does that potentially mean I was in the company of the mysterious Jago without realising it!
I like the look of Coronation Scot. I like the feel of the current LNER East coast, Edinburgh to Kings Cross; That is a route I do a lot. Bacon Butties. But the TGV is magic.
@@madmaxmckinnes5862 Ah, but I live in Edinburgh, so I'd have to go up to Aberdeen to change. Next month I'll go to the Cross King, cross the road to change train, and go on to Paris. Hurrah!
@@chrissaltmarsh6777 The only thing recent TGVs have got going for them in my view is being double-deck, but there are plenty of double-deck trains across Europe. It's only the UK with our historically small loading gauge which can't embrace double-deckers, after all.
An aside! I really just noticed that the LMS,and PRR shared a common paint scheme! That 5 stripe,and maroon painted engines,is/was quite coincidencedetal(?),as both were introduced in the 1930's! Anyone who has more data on that would be appreciated! Thank you! 😇!
Thanks Jago as always very informative! Did these engines burn coal? Was thought ever given to oil burners? Not as nice as coal but maintenance easier.😊
I doubt it. We had lots of home grown coal but oil had to be imported. I've heard it suggested the relatively late introduction of diesel was partly for political / economic reasons.
@@RogersRamblings The GWR also built an experimental oil burning tank engine in around 1900 but it didn't last long (although a model of it has been in the Hornby range since the 1970s!)
Add the GER,as they were using the after products of their gas lit coaches as fuel for the locomotives! That was Mr. Holden's solution to an otherwise intractable problem! Strangely enough,the tenders of those oil fired engines,resembled those on the Santa Fe,also oil fired! Another cross Atlantic coincidence! Thank you 😇 😊!
Is there a statue of Willìam Stanier at Euston? He deserves a monument. His design principles inspired the standardized locomotives British Railways adopted after WW2. Arguably Stanier was more influential in the last chapter of steam than Gresley, whose streamlined work was a beautiful dead end: e.g., the Southern tried it with the Merchant Navy class but abandoned it bc of the problem of access for servicing. The LNER was in deep financial trouble between the wars. The Coronation train was a gesture of defiance and a riposte to critics who thought it should be trialing diesel haulage, like the LMS, diesel railcars like the GWR or large-scale electrification like the Southern.
The coronation weekend? Well, they've definitely kept that quiet!
Sarcasm is said to be the lowest form of wit, but it tends to be the most effective 🤣
... even old Jago has jumped on the bandwagon!!
If they tell you cannot protest, then you MUST protest.
First I’ve heard of it too
Gloucestershire Echo - Monday 7 June 1937: "All the suitable sections of the old Waterloo Bridge were soon sold as souvenirs and are now scattered all over the country, but odd pieces of the fine timber used for the supporting piles keep cropping up in unexpected places. Some of this Canadian silver elm, which had remained under the water from 1817, when the bridge was built, until its demolition in 1936, was used for panelling in the coaches of the new L.M.S. Coronation Scot, and now I have discovered that a large section was used for the doors of the Annexe to Westminster Abbey through which the King and Queen passed to their Coronation. These doors are handsome pieces in themselves, their combined sentimental and historical associations with both the Coronation and Rennie's famous bridge make them most highly and widely coveted."
Someone has been through their old newspaper store for the occasion!! 😄
@@stepheneyles2198 Better known as the British Newspaper Archive. Hours of innocent fun!
That's a superb little gem of detail. Love it!
The dismantling of Rennie's elegant Waterloo Bridge to make way for a wider and more practical concrete alternative caused major rows in the 1930s similar to the destruction of the Euston Arch in the 1960s. Nice to hear that some of the structure was put to good use.
The paneling on the inside of the Jubilee State Coach that will be used in Charles III Coronation contains wood from HMS Victory, the Mary Rose and other notable ships and buildings.
Someday I'll head east to Quebec and see "Dominion of Canada" in person. Probably because of patriotism, DoC is my favourite of the A4s. Sir Nigel Gresley is my second favourite, but I'm much less likely to see that irl. Greetings from Alberta!
Jago has already coronated Charles Yerkes as the King of British Railways.
"Coronated"?? Is 'crowned' not good enough?
@@paulhaynes8045 Coronated seems to be an in-word nowadays, presumably a back-formation from coronation. Crowned must be too ordinary or something - or maybe I'm just getting old!
Coronation is a word used by 6 year old children when they don't know the proper word is crowned. Many Americanisms are just that childish drivel spoken by people who have no idea how to speak English properly. There's no reason to emulate them
I’m not quite sure where this word ‘coronated’ has come from but it reminds me too much of ‘chlorinated’ something you do with water systems! 😂
HMLQG (Her Majesty Late Queen Grandmother)? That's my guess
Mmm, Flying Hamburger.
Both sets of trains look so sharp. I'm glad in some small way newer trains are getting back to those design principles.
My guess would be The Queen, The King Grandmother, since she had been 'The Queen, The Queen Mother'.
Ah, those magnificent streamliners. Must've been exciting being a trainspotter in the late 1930's and seeing the streamliners race past. The streamlining on the A4s has aged like fine wine and still looks cutting edge today. A point about the livery of the Coronation Scot, the only set of coaches to carry the red & gold livery was the set that went to America with Duchess of Hamilton. In fact, the Coronation Scot was exclusively the domain of the five blue & silver Coronations. The red & gold engines meanwhile worked ordinary expresses. It was planned to make red & gold the standard livery of the Coronation Scot from 1940 onwards but the outbreak of war and the resulting withdrawal of the service put paid to that, so the Coronation Scot was always blue & silver.
Not so much fun if you lived on the London-Birmingham line as the streamliners were banned from entering due to a height restriction or something. They were banned again when electrification took place.
It would have been rare indeed to get to see one, there is also a paucity of actual film of them in action. If you watch the film Brief encounter, there is a fleeting glimpse of one. It's not exactly right that later ones would be built un-streamlined, the first 10 or so were five streamlined, the other half not; presumably as a comparator. Since in practice only 11 or so Princess and 39 Princess coronations were built, you'd be extremely lucky to see one of only fifty engines on that top link. Humdrum fare would have been Jubilees and Scots ( impressive in their own right and still quite new.)
The Coronation sent to the USA was really number 6229, Duchess of Hamilton, a red one, but it was renumbered 6220, and renamed Coronation. Meanwhile, the original Coronation became 6229, and renamed Duchess of Hamilton. The correct identities were restored after the War. 6220-6224 were blue streamliners, 6225-9 were red streamliners, and 6230-4 were not streamlined. The red streamliners were supposedly the best looking, and 6235-44 were turned out in this livery before wartime economy bit. 6245-8 were black streamliners. 6249-56 and 46257 were not streamlined, but the first four were originally scheduled to be, as they had streamlined tenders. The LMS began to remove the streamlining in 1946, and all but three had been done at nationalisation in 1948. BR then prevaricated, as it was not until the autumn of 1949 that the last one lost its streamlining, and it even carried its BR number, 46243.
@@NTSCuser I think the restriction was the tunnel at the eastern approach to New Street, or possibly the bridge between the tunnel and the station. That bridge was removed when the redevelopment of Birmingham City Centre began, possibly as early as 1957. Latterly LMS Pacifics were allowed into New Street; there are photos of them in that station in sixties railway magazines. Pacifics were allowed on the Stechford to Aston line, avoiding New Street. They could be found on this line whenever there was electrification work between Rugby and Crewe, which would have been most Sundays in the early sixties.
@@andrewtaylor5984 In fact, I don't think they were ever banned from New Street, as 6235 visited the station for her official naming ceremony in 1945 and again for the station's centenary in 1954. I believe the only reason why Duchesses were rare at New Street until their later years was simply because the loadings on the Birmingham line rarely needed anything bigger than a Jubilee. They were more common in their later years when class 40 diesels took over the premier West Coast expresses and so the Duchess were used on whatever duty was available. Loading gauge issues did prevent a plan to transfer Duchesses to the Southern Region, though.
Speedy, sound-proofed, double glazed, wind tunnel tested & with swivel seats nearly a century ago! Here's hoping for a High Steam 2 soon...
@2:57, that would have looked daringly modern back in the day. The Duchess class was beautiful and must have been an impressive sight when the coaches had matching livery.
Thanks Jago I'll be enjoying my weekend. Might even rewatch your early videos again to get in the Royalist spirit.....😅
Vivian Ellis’s Coronation Scot, so evocative of express steam-hauled trains was used as the theme to the BBC Radio Series “Paul Temple”. Much entertaining.
5:21 What a great colour scheme and magnificent engines...As always, an excellent video.
The Great Depression was one reason for the spurt of express passenger rail service in both the U.K. and the U.S.A. The Depression left large blocks of "track space" available for running a high-prestige express train much faster than all the other passenger and freight trains running about. WWII increased demand for rail transport in both countries, leading to the end of the 100+ running previously enjoyed. Notice that the Coronation and Coronation Scot were both out in the country during the afternoon peak-time period when the tracks were demanded for stopping commuter train services.
Yeah and in the 1970's the model train world had already gotten massive social problems .
You're still complaining about nothing 50 years later.
@@Gma7788 - Complaining? Model trains? -- I'm noting something that many people don't know about the "Golden Age" of passenger trains in the 1930s: Freight traffic was in sharp decline, and streamlined passenger trains was a good way to bring in more revenue. In fact, in the worst Depression years, some of the fanciest passenger trains of the 1920s were combined to cut operating costs.
The Coronation Scot was scheduled to leave both London and Glasgow at 13.30. The LMS was opposed to a later departure, as this would have interfered with the night freight traffic. It was not a great deal of use for the business traveller, even though there was plenty of business travel between London and Glasgow, and vice versa. The Coronation left London at 16.00 and Edinburgh at 16.30, but there was not a great deal of business traffic between London and Edinburgh, and vice versa, in those days. Within months, the down Coronation had a Newcastle stop added, in an attempt to fill the train. (The up train always stopped there.) At the time there was far more business travel from Tyneside and Teesside to London.
@@andrewtaylor5984 - Thanks for that information. If I recall, the famous "Flying Scotsman" was a traditional 10 a.m. departure, right? Well after the morning rush, but arriving in the capitals in time for supper. I have a copy of the famous "Take Me By the Flying Scotsman/Leaves King's Cross at 10 a.m. Weekdays" LNER poster.
@@pacificostudios That is right. There was one disadvantage which the US railway press spotted; the train left London too late for breakfast and arrived in Edinburgh too early for dinner. The Restaurant Car staff did two, sometimes three, lunch sittings, however. The 10.00 departure from London remained until the HST era. Owing to major track and resignalling work in Scotland just before the HST came on the scene, the Edinburgh departure time was changed to 09.50, in order to keep its path from Newcastle southwards.
You made good use of your visit to the Railway Museum. It encouraged us to make another visit while breaking our journey. The Museum is a bit of a 'work in progress' at the moment, though. We will go again in a couple of years.
A few things i noticed, Namely, that
1- The coronations streamlining was not added by Stanier, but instead by Chief Technical Assistant and Chief Draughtsman, Tom Coleman as Stanier was away for business in India
2- Coronations streamlining was not just "it looked pretty" while not as effective as that of the LNER A4s, it was wind tunnel tested and showed to be "as good as other forms of streamlining" however, did have the unfortunate downside of not creating enough lift to push smoke from the chimney clear of the drivers view at times
3- During the speed record, the only reason coronation had issues, was because she was approaching a station, and ended up going over a point faster than intended, the fact she didn't derail is a testament to how stable these locomotives were.
I wonder what it might have led to if Gresley hadn't been obsessed with steam, and the North Eastern Railway's plan to electrify the York - Newcastle section of the ECML had gone ahead. Imagine what electrically powered high speed trains they might have come up with
Was Gresley obsessed with steam? The LNER could not afford the cost of electrification - though in the late 1930s they did start electrifying the line between Manchester and Sheffield via Woodhead and Gresley did design the prototype of the EM1 electric locos. Diesel was very much in its infancy prewar.
Imagine Brunel's broad gauge billiards table with electric powered trains...
Gresley designed the EM1 electic loco just before his death in 1941
Gresley would of developed EM 1 that would be put to work in the netherlands once the war was over.
Then the woodhead route.
@@rolandharmer6402 The Woodhead electrification was authorised under the "New Works" scheme, but war broke out before much progress could be made. It was later discovered that there was insufficient clearance for masts and wiring in the single-track Woodhead Tunnels. A new double-track tunnel was authorised in 1947, astonishingly, given the need to restore so much after six years of war. It is nothing short of a waste of resources that this tunnel was part of a main line for only 15 years. (One snag was the Modernisation Plan announced a few months after the Woodhead electrification was complete. All future overhead electrification was to be high voltage AC, whereas Woodhead was DC and a relatively low voltage.) Incidentally, the other tunnel on this line, Thurgoland, was too narrow for overhead electrification, so a second tunnel was bored. This was less of a problem compared to Woodhead as the tunnels are only about 300 yards long.
As someone who earned a degree in Industrial Design but likely should have just pursued my true passion for design history, rather than make an arguably misdirected attempt to become a practicing designer as I did, the Art Deco/Streamline Moderne era is still perhaps my most favourite, encompassing everything from products to architecture to transport design; I drew from it as inspiration quite often in my own student work, years ago. This latest installment of yours on notable streamliners across the pond was much appreciated - I only wish that it could have gone on longer!
I must admit that it was a little rushed to get it out by Coronation day.
No, sorry the war got in the road
Don't we all?
Bloody Germans.
And in this case, not only did the locomotives look good but they were fine and successful pieces of engineering, which continued to haul the top-ranked expresses on both routes long after the war and after nationalisation until final supplanted by diesels. So they were the pinnacles of British steam design.
Me too (fan of Art Deco) - it's why I'm such a fan of the Underground.
Was waiting for this video, growing up i was obsessed with the mallard and the streamlined A4s, after that I fell in love with the inter City 125, cabt wait for the video on that now
Does this mean we can go for that beer now?
The Silver Jubilee and Coronation trains, with their streamlined locos and articulated coaches with Jacobs bogies and valences under the coaches, are like a steam-powered Eurostar (TMST/373) in my eyes. If only they’d built the channel tunnel in the 1890s!
Well they did make a start on it in Victorian times!
And only if they were 7ft gauge.
Imagine the speed and comfort then.
Jago, your videos are always such fun! Have a great weekend!
This channels attention to detail, is just fantastic!
The Coronation Scot in red with gold stripes had almost exactly the same paint scheme as the streamlined American GG1 electric locomotives introduced two years earlier in 1935.
I thought the same when I saw it. The Boston and Maine Es and Fs also had the same scheme with the Tuscan red and gold but were introduced much later.
The GG1 is a great looking locomotive.
Only thing it's missing are buffers.
The Princess Coronations (that I grew up with in Watford), as soon as wartime paint and grime covered their (to me) ugly bulbous cladding, looked a far cry from the red and gold of before. Even the postwar bevelled smokeboxes looked funny. I just loved them in their final manifestation, especially in pseudo LMS maroon.
8:41 - We see Old Albert the Fitter using a barstard file on the smoke box door catch while mumbling the words "I'll make the bu99er fit if it bl00dy kills me" - meanwhile his mate Arthur is wondering why he has so many metal fillings in his Brylcreem.
Hand fettling at it's best.
The class 47 in royal livery looks very good.
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All it's missing is the headcode.
It's interesting that Gresley would never let Stanier run a Duchess on the East Coast, because if he had then it would likely have beaten Mallard quite comfortably - almost certainly why!
Gotta make sure they can't use stoke bank.
All the chief mechanical engineers of the Big Four knew each other and conversed professionally through the Institution of Engineers. Gresley was president in 1936, Stanier in 1941 and Bulleid in 1945. Other former presidents whose names would be familiar include Aspinall, Raven, Fowler and the first two presidents were named Stephenson.
It is a shame that the Gresley articulated coaches did not survive, and also an innovative use of a black and white image to illiterate the shades of blue used on said coaches! 😊
At least we still have both of the beavertail observations still around. And who knows, maybe with new steam engines being built for mainline operation, someone might set themselves the goal of building a new LNER Coronation trainset for use on the mainline with either SNG or Bittern. Of course, the beavertails would bring up the rear and be mainline ready as well so as to make the train complete.
@@justahillbilly7777 Now that would be a real treat. An A4 with a full rake!
One articulated set was destroyed in the war, and two sets were destroyed in a fire at Huntingdon on 14 July, 1951. We can at least be thankful that there was no loss of life, but 22 passengers suffered minor injuries such as cuts and burns.
Soon after the Coronation was launched, the LNER added the West Riding Limited, from KX to West Yorkshire. It too had a purpose-built rake of streamlined coaches and lasted only two years before the Second World War. The journey took just under four hours to Leeds Central, just over four to Bradford Exchange. The inaugural trip on 9/27/37 was hauled by 'Dominion of New Zealand'.
to think that bradford once had good rail connections 😂
@@nevreiha If you look at old timetables, Bradford has much better rail connections today than it has ever done in the past, at least to all the major places. It's even got London trains by two different routes...
Sure, there's no through carriages to Margate in the summer any more, but why would anyone from Bradford want them? ;-)
The West Riding took 165 minutes from London to Leeds, and started from, or continued to, Bradford. Gresley used steam power because a German consultant was convinced that with diesel traction, the best time he could offer was four hours ten minutes from London to Newcastle. Gresley was determined to have a steam train which could do the journey in four hours flat, and he succeeded. Incidentally, there is an error in the commentary. The Coronation was scheduled to do the London to Edinburgh run in six hours, not six and a half. The Coronation Scot from Euston to Glasgow took six and a half hours.
The name 'West Riding Limited ' was reintroduced by LNER a few years back for the half six Forster Square to London, the train which forms the 0700 'bullet train' getting in at 0859.
The streamlined West Riding ran from Leeds to Kings Cross in 165 minutes, not four hours. The return working took the same time. It was another 20 minutes or so to and from Bradford. Leeds to Kings Cross, or vice versa, in four hours would equate to an average speed of about 47 m.p.h.. The Silver Jubilee went from Newcastle to London in four hours, average speed 67 m.p.h.. As regards the number of sets, there was one for the Silver Jubilee, one for the West Riding, and two for the Coronation. There was also one spare set, for use on any of these trains. Most maintenance work on the sets would have been carried out at weekends, when the streamliners did not run.
This is the best video of the Coronation by far! Thank you Jago!
Our favourite Charles is a different Charles 😂
*shakes fist* yeerrkeeeesss!!
Choo choo Charles?
His Yerkness 👑💖.
Beef Yerkey
Now we can have a battle between the Yerkes and Holden fans.
I will enjoy the Coronation weekend Jago - I'll be taking my first ride of WMR's class 196 between Shrewsbury and Birmingham on Monday, and back again later in the day. Don't particularly care about the Coronation itself
Wasn't Coronation Scot (the music)
used for the radio Paul Temple series
that you can still hear occasionally
on Radio 4 Extra
You can hear them here, on CZcams.
And yes, that is the tune.
The story that Gresley built the A4's as a response to German diesel express services is fairly well known. The question that is not often asked is why the UK was incapable of building diesel trains to compete, rather than squeezing out more performance from a technology that was obviously already near obsolescence.
If I trust lazerpig ("in defense of the crusader" is the video, i think) on this, and -extrapolate a bit- speculate a lot, i'll guess the following:
it was partially lobbying by the railroads, partially prioritizing different technologies for military use, and partially the logistics of cheap british coal vs imported oil
(of course, I don't know if these trains used fuel oil)
In GB, it seems to have been mandatory to transport any load over a few tons by train- so no incentive to develop light diesel engines for road use.
German diesels just where further along in developement- think of the breadmore tornado vs the engines used on the hindenburg and the s-boats. (slightly unfair, because there are at least 5 years between them)
Maybe the navy had priority in oil use over everyone else, who were expected to use cheap and abundant coal?
I'd also say u-boats where relevant, because they funneled money into german diesel research, while the uk just relied on it's surface navy that could be powered well by steam.
Germany also worked on large 2-stroke marine diesels.
Lastly, i'll mention the Napier Culverin. Licensed on the german Jumo 203/205 series, and after the war developed into the Deltic, the greatest engine ever, british or otherwise :D
I find the experience of regarding this video of CZcams to be quite exquisite when paired with an inspiring rendition of Vivian Ellis' "Coronation Scot" dispelled at partial volume in a separate tab of the browser. Do partake, friends, you know not what joy awaits you.
Getting used to hearing the word 'Coronation' without it being immediately followed by 'Street'.
Or chicken.
@@caw25sha ... or Scot ... or anthem.
.....off to a Coronation street party tomorrow, hope there's not too many Ken Barlows there....
I remember travelling on a train pulled by The Union of South Africa, mind you I'm going back a bit now - it was damn near 20 years ago - I remember 2004 like it were yesterday.
A worthwhile and timely video. Well done Jago for finding something slightly off the beaten path to talk about.
2:00Well, the A4 was underneath pretty much the same as an A3; it had the same mechanical layout and the boiler was very similar to that on the A3s (to the extent that they were interchangeable; Flying Scotsman, if you'll pardon my language, ran prior to its most recent overhaul with an A4 boiler)
They look good on paper.
I believe that the traditional style would be "Queen Elizabeth", and the style of "The Queen Mother" was adopted to avoid confusion with Elizabeth II.
Wasn't it "Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother" formally? But the UK media shortened it to, and popularised, "the Queen Mother".
@@atraindriver It's a little more flattering and modern than "Elizabeth, the Dowager Queen", but as far as I know there was no requirement that she change her style from "Queen Elizabeth".
I don't feel old, but I remember my parents buying a 9 inch black and white TV mounted in a large walnut wooden cabinet, to watch the last Coronation. Huddled in the sitting room with several of the neighbours and the curtains drawn (you couldn't see the screen clearly in daylight otherwise!), it was nevertheless an impressive event. It's UHD colour this time round - should I close the curtains for added atmosphere?
Putting on my rivet counter's hat, contrary to what you said about Stanier just liking the LMS streamlined locomotive design, several Coronation models were tested in a wind tunnel (see Wikipedia for images). However, they found that there were very few differences between any of them, and that streamlining made no difference to performance below about 60mph.
Love your channel!
"... should I close the curtains for added atmosphere?" With the advent of AI, HD, and XYZ-Vision it's best you close your eyes.
The wedge nose of the A4 lifted the smoke nicely (which became more of a problem as engines got more efficient as the blast became less blasty and the lack of a tall chimney meaning the smoke hugged the boiler)
In the Castle Museum at York they used to have a sitting room (actually, the Room) set up for watching the coronation in 1953 (maybe they still have it). I last saw it in the 1990s, and everybody who came up would say things like "My parents/grandparents had a room just like that." So definitely you need to do everything possible to ensure cultural continuity, because the number of us who can remember the last coronation is beginning to shrink noticeably.
@@michaelwright2986 Beamish (technically I think The North of England Museum, but everyone just calls it Beamish) is currently building/rebuilding/recreating - depending how you wish to view it - a 1950s town with a few elements already open to the public, including a 1950s family home. That's very much an "I remember those!" sort of place for me, despite being born somewhat later.
It's when you go into the kids' bedroom and realise that half the toys there are things you had too that the heartstrings get tugged. The little pull-along dog-on-wheels nearly had me in tears for some reason...
I've heard nothing but complaints and whinging about model trains for the last 50 years.
When is it going to end and you apologise for your disgusting behaviour for the last 50 years?
Hi Jago from sunny Spain where we are getting lots of sun which is good for our solar panels. However there is still no rain in sight for the next two weeks which is not good for the Cherry Festival in June because there won't be many cherries, nor, I fear, many peaches, olives or any of the other fruit grown here.
I feel as is blue was just the de facto color for British royalty, next to Purple of course. While not quite for the coronation, the new monarch’s first trip to Canada was marked with a transcontinental trip, with most of it over the Canadian Pacific. The engine in charge, H-1d 2650, wore a special blue & silver paint. Apparently George VI was a bit of an enthusiast, riding the cab when he could. So impressed was he with 2650, which wasn’t swapped out at any point during the journey, that he allowed Canadian Pacific to officially dub the lentils H-1d class, as well as the precursor and successor H-1c & e classes, as Royal Hudson’s.
Much less official was the B&O, which styled its trains after British Royalty right down to the color scheme and one of its train names. That said, there’s some sort of irony with a train called the Royal Blue calling at the US Capital city, behind a President class Pacific
I would love you to do a video on the other two "big four" companies and their attempts at streamlining. Collett with his plasticine bits on a model of a Castle, which went ahead for a time. and of course the Bulleids with their "streamlined" sides on the West Country/Battle of Britain classes of Pacifics.
5005 Manorbier Castle was the GWR loco chosen for the "interesting" streamlining.
@@TheOffertonhatter And 6014 King Edward VII too.
Bulleid's locos were only made smooth-sided so that they could go through the washing machines provided for the electric trains.
the GWR Really needed streamlining - going west it is into prevailing headwinds, but running into Paddington there is the normal westerly tailwind. Bristol to Birmingham has always been a grot crawl and the south wales valley lines only needed tank engines
As a lad, I thought those streamlined Bullied Pacifics were like something out of the future. But his most visually impressive engines were the rebuilt versions. Still the best looking engines ever built in my humble opinion.
Great video thanks Jago I love the A4 in particular. Sir Nigel Gresley Looking good for his age at 147 there, many thanks
My father was a locomotive fireman on The A4 Pacific mallard style locomotive,silver fox , He was conscripted in 1954 and after two years in Egypt ,did not become a locomotive driver, Though as The Fireman was allowed to act as driver along some length of The journey to York, many of The drivers being older than him had experience working on the Railway during The Blitz
Those carriages used in the Coronation in the past do look incredible and have been maintained very nicely. I have been watching the Coronation and it was amazing. And some of the locomotives are spectacular.
Queen Elizabeth (Bowes-Lyon) is now the Former Queen Mother but you can call her the Queen Grandmother too.
Incorrect - she is not the grandmother of the Queen.
@@hb1338 She was a queen, and the grandmother of the current monarch. The title is Queen (noun, NOT Queen's (genitive)) Mother.
This episode could be your crowning glory.
Nice looking engines. Almost makes me wish I could time travel back and take one a ride on a train hauled by one. (Yes I've been to York but they are missing something when they are static). Now wheres my Chicken in curry mayonnaise?
The NRM had planned to steam Duchess of Hamilton, but it never happened. Mallard was in steam in the 1980s but there are 3 other A4s in the UK & another 2 in North America. I believe Sir Nigel Gresley is in steam but Bittern & Union of South Africa are in museums.
@@TheRip72 And you can also travel behind Duchess of Sutherland (non-streamlined though) on main line railtours and again experience steam power at full speed.
@@iankemp1131 I believe Sutherland is being overhauled at the moment. It doesn't seem like very long ago that they were doing it last time.
@@TheRip72 Well, she was scheduled to do a railtour on 1st April, and some others round that time, though I don't know if she actually did. Would the overhaul have been before or after that?
oooo.... I can just imagine Jago in his streamlined casing!! 😁
Well, maybe I'd better not even think about it! 🤣
Interesting. However, there were 3 LMS blue rakes for the 5 blue locos, and only 1 red set built as a prototype which went to the US with Duchess of Hamilton. The set did return in 1946 when it was standardised and used as regular coaching stock.
Just listened to the music YT wouldn't let you play - and it's the Paul Temple theme! I never realised it had a whole other existence... My God, though, I also never realised I was that old!
Nice to see that british engineers were also going to give the filthy hun a darned good thrashing !!!!
Weirdly enough, I got to this video straight after watching one of your previous videos, about Euston's abandoned underground station. The Coronation locomotives featured quite prominently.
However wonderful these trains & locomotives look, this kind of luxury travel was beyond most people like air travel.
Once again a great and interesting video, well done sir
I'm in the States, staying up all night to watch the Coronation.
Thanks so much for this, Jago. It all seems impossibly glamorous nowadays, doesn't it?
Incidentally, the LNER had the advantage over the LMS of being half an hour quicker, departing KC at 4pm, arr. EW 10pm.
For post- war equivalents, only the Elizabethan came close. Another Royal commemoration!
YT has a documentary from 1954 on the Elizabethan, with mock-Betjeman verse commentary. Featuring 'Silver Fox'. It was non-stop KX to Edinburgh, the longest scheduled service in the world then, but took half an hour more than the Coronation.
Dominion of Canada having graciously been cosmically restored at Sheldon is back in the (Montreal) Delson shed. Left to decay as it did for 40 years in its BR green livery.
Funny, i have just returned from a holiday in the UK (catching up on all the videos posted on my absence),and one of the highlights was a trip in such a Coronation observation car - now in use on the lovely Strathspey Railway) Thanks for making this coincidental reminder 🥰
Yes, loved the LMS Coronation Scot. I built a 4mm running model with full brass body and tender pressings about 100 years ago! Looked fantastic in raw polished brass and seemed a shame to paint it! Great little video! 😉👍
I knew the lms crimson gold coaches were used by the lms but for some reason people think these coaches never existed
Yes very enjoyable.The 4cylinder Duchesses were the more powerful locomotives and it was indeed excellent performances to manage their timings between London - Glasgow and vice versa considering the trying gradients of Shap and Beattock.Good crews could surmount these gradients in a good locomotive without a Banker.The streamlining of the Duchesses wasn't that effective and created extra weight.The East Coast mainline was an altogether easier route and that together with the sleeker Gresley/Bugatti designed streamlining and engineering made for some spectacular high speed running particularly over the flat Fenland and southern stretches of the route.The climb out of London together with Stoke and Cockburnspath would be the only grades of any significance.I believe the beavertail observation car of the Coronation ended its days on the West Highland route and was used also on the Northern Belle luxury tour train.
In practice you can't really say that one type was more powerful than the other because there is no single measure of steam loco power, unlike a diesel engine. Tractive effort isn't a guide because it only applies at starting, and small-wheeled freight engines have higher values. I think Duchess of Abercorn had the highest recorded DBHP (drawbar horsepower) of nearly 3000, but an A4 Capercaillie had the best sustained effort on Tuplin's classification. Both have put in comparable performances on main line railtours, e.g. over Shap (and rebuilt Merchant Navies and the revitalised Duke of Gloucester have also achieved similar performances).
@@iankemp1131 The Carlisle crews swore by them.
@@DavidWilson-hh2gn As they would; they were magnificent locomotives and the pinnacle of the LMS fleet. But likewise the GWR enginemen swore by their Kings, the LNER by their A4s and the Southern men by their Merchant Navies, all acclaiming them as the finest and fastest engines around. The BR crews also swore at (not by) Duke of Gloucester, but with reason, as it turned out after restoration that it hadn't been built to the correct design specification! All of them have turned in fine performances on main line railtours.
I always loved the streamlined look.
It's weird, I don't think i'd ever heard the name of the 'coronation scot' piece of music before, but as soon as you mentioned it I had a sense of what it would be - and that's exactly what it was
czcams.com/video/VtchzNfcKvE/video.html&ab_channel=seftonwallet
Thanks for the link. I had no idea that it was called that. Makes you want lashings and lashings of ginger beer don't it?
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It was also used as the theme tune for the Paul Temple radio series.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Temple
Oh yes THAT one, thanks of the link. Along the same, er, lines there is a piece by Arthur Honegger called Pacific 231, which I think is rather good, if a rather silly way of classifying wheel arrangements, as the loco would fall on its side.
Fun fact: as the inaugural northbound run of the Coronation passed Alexandra Palace, it was followed by cameras of the BBC's infant television service, which was based at 'Ally Pally'. This was the world's first TV broadcast of a train.
Great video Jago - Enjoying the Locos at the Museum & the old B / W footage!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
2:19 In the forground of this photo is LNER W1 4-6-4 No 10000 which was rebuilt from a high pressure boiler locomotive. It never received a name hence why i can be identified here.
Another note is that one of the A4s rostered to the Coronation No 4492 Dominion Of New Zealand had NZGR Five Chime whistle fitted to it. Theres a couple of sound recordings of it on CZcams.
Sad to see Union of South Africa as only a museum piece these days after it was retired with boiler issues.
JAGO: You are the KING-PIN to my pilot-truck. Happy Coronation, all!! 👑🏴🏴🏴
I’m looking forward to watching the coronation!
Aren’t we all?
Charles couldnt care less about you
@@HonestMan112 Charles himself is mostly alright, but the institution itself is profoundly rotten.
@@HonestMan112 do I care?
@@Sophiebryson510 No we aren't. Admittedly I'm a dyed in the wool republican so don't move in cap-doffing, cringing-and-fawning-to-one's-betters circles but from what I can tell the whole charade seems to have engendered a tidal wave of apathy.
It always puzzled me that these high tech streamlined locomotives had oil lights! Front and rear.
If he took the Mallard's colour from Bugatti, whose cars were painted French Racing Blue, then... there's a certain irony to the patriotic side of all this.
Vivan Ellis' music "Coronation Scot" was used as the theme tune for the BBC Radio series "Paul Temple." There are several of these series on CZcams which makes your being unable to use the music a bit silly.
It costs money to buy the rights to "broadcast" pieces of music, that is how copyright law works. Mr Hazzard could have bought those rights, but chose not to.
@@hb1338 But links to them could always be posted.
Imagine seeing either of those class of locos for the first time in the 1930s - would have looked so modern!
Vivat Rex Carolus!
As a Canadian, I was fascinated to hear that one of the locomotives on the Coronation train was called the "Dominion of Canada!"
The Queen Mother would now be King Grandmother. Queen Mother referred to her being mother of the queen, not her being a queen herself. It's a strange title anyway. Historically the usual title was Dowager Queen.
She retained the title of Queen Elizabeth until her death, as did the wife of George V, Queen Mary. Her husband’s (George VI) funeral was known as ‘the funeral with the three Queens’ (Mary, Elizabeth (The Queen Mother) and Elizabeth II).
She was a queen (consort, then dowager). She would not be the King Gradmother - Queens Alexandra and Mary were not "King Mothers", during the reigns of their respective sons. I have a 1920 copy of the Book of Common Prayer, and the Prayer for the Royal Family cites "Alexandra, the Queen Mother".
And the original 1662 edition has "Mary the Queen Mother" - Henrietta Maria, widow of Charles I)
the A4s feature in the beloved railway game Transport Tycoon as well. They look so impressive in real life.
They may have been PR exercises, but the streamlined engines look utterly gorgeous!More please!
No, no.
There will be more complaints.
You're world famous at complaining.
I don't want to hear another complaint from a UK person EVER AGAIN!
I THINK the world is familiar with all your complaints.
You've been complaining for over 60 years in a row.
Shut up!
The Americans invented 500 more colours than sickly green.
DEAL with it!
I don't want to see another green English train EVER AGAIN!
Give us a CHROME English version.
Give us a STARSKY AND HUTCH STRIPED version for once in our life!
Give me a tribal flame version!
Give us a triple gold version with pink dots all over it!
Could one of these have an Art Deco pantograph installed & become the World's fastest electric kettle? Tickets printed on your tea bag & there's a 'little Urn' in every carriage : )
Articulated vehicles, double glazing, lightweight aluminium construction, forced ventilation, proper food from a kitchen - Sounds like the LNER were well ahead of time and it took BR a long time to catch up, and then regress - I'm looking at you IET.
Excellent video, historical and timely.
Did I spy a shot of the Castle Class Pendennis Castle from last weekends Steam Gala on the Watercress Line? Does that potentially mean I was in the company of the mysterious Jago without realising it!
A coronation train…travelling on it was a crowning moment
To be fair the Coronation streamliners were awesome and very suitable fodder for a relevant video
Very well done and informative thank you
Thank you! I love the streamlined steam trains 🥰 Not in a carnal way you understand 🤣
I'm a sucker for some streamlining. Stunning!
Superb, as always, Jago !
I like the look of Coronation Scot.
I like the feel of the current LNER East coast, Edinburgh to Kings Cross; That is a route I do a lot. Bacon Butties.
But the TGV is magic.
It actually starts-off at Aberdeen, but you change trains at Edinburgh.
@@madmaxmckinnes5862 Ah, but I live in Edinburgh, so I'd have to go up to Aberdeen to change. Next month I'll go to the Cross King, cross the road to change train, and go on to Paris. Hurrah!
I prefer ICEs to TGVs, but along with seat comfort it's very much a personal thing!
@@atraindriver I might agree with you. Unfortunately, I've never been on one. The top deck of a TGV to Perpignan enchanted my small daughter.
@@chrissaltmarsh6777 The only thing recent TGVs have got going for them in my view is being double-deck, but there are plenty of double-deck trains across Europe.
It's only the UK with our historically small loading gauge which can't embrace double-deckers, after all.
An aside! I really just noticed that the LMS,and PRR shared a common paint scheme! That 5 stripe,and maroon painted engines,is/was quite coincidencedetal(?),as both were introduced in the 1930's! Anyone who has more data on that would be appreciated! Thank you! 😇!
I believe PRR was the plagiarist.
everyone all ready for Chuck 3?
scones, clotted cream and tea at the standby?
jollygood!carryon!
Waitrose and Sainsburys scones are in special packaging, Sainsburys ones were slightly cheaper than normal
Mum wants coronation tea of gala pie, crossant, and cake.
Thanks Jago as always very informative! Did these engines burn coal? Was thought ever given to oil burners? Not as nice as coal but maintenance easier.😊
I doubt it. We had lots of home grown coal but oil had to be imported. I've heard it suggested the relatively late introduction of diesel was partly for political / economic reasons.
British Railways conducted some trials with oil firing converting a number of locos for the purpose. They reverted to coal.
@@RogersRamblings The GWR also built an experimental oil burning tank engine in around 1900 but it didn't last long (although a model of it has been in the Hornby range since the 1970s!)
Add the GER,as they were using the after products of their gas lit coaches as fuel for the locomotives! That was Mr. Holden's solution to an otherwise intractable problem! Strangely enough,the tenders of those oil fired engines,resembled those on the Santa Fe,also oil fired! Another cross Atlantic coincidence! Thank you 😇 😊!
@@RJSRdg Appearing as many things, including the "Santa Special"
Coronation? No, Kung Carl Gustav is still on the throne over here.
Jago your Coronation tribute is much better than Hornby's cash grab offering. Also welcome any A4's and Duchess footage
Flying Hamburger! Probably not named after the food…
Correct. Named simply because it terminated in Hamburg.
Great video Jago 👍
The train now leaving is the coronation scot
Is there a statue of Willìam Stanier at Euston? He deserves a monument. His design principles inspired the standardized locomotives British Railways adopted after WW2. Arguably Stanier was more influential in the last chapter of steam than Gresley, whose streamlined work was a beautiful dead end: e.g., the Southern tried it with the Merchant Navy class but abandoned it bc of the problem of access for servicing.
The LNER was in deep financial trouble between the wars. The Coronation train was a gesture of defiance and a riposte to critics who thought it should be trialing diesel haulage, like the LMS, diesel railcars like the GWR or large-scale electrification like the Southern.
Great video Jago
Marvellous. Design classics - despite all the modern cleverness, we've lost that sense of style, in trains, cars and aeroplanes.
Just the lettering of an A4's nameplate is a joy- sharp and clear. And the poster art is as sleek as the loco's silhouette.