Tomlin deserves criticism for Steelers QB issue, is Rodgers still good as he once was? l THE HERD
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Colin Cowherd explains why Mike Tomlin deserves some criticism for the Pittsburgh Steelers' ambiguous QB situation with Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. Meanwhile, it is still unclear if Aaron Rodgers will ultimately suit up during preseason. Colin evaluates the New York Jets' situation, then discusses whether Rodgers can truly save the team or not.
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Tomlin deserves criticism for Steelers QB issue, is Rodgers still good as he once was? l THE HERD
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I saw Colin's take on trump. Much respect and got a subscribe from me.
So who do we get lol 😆 😂
Colin: Don't draft Pickett. Draft Malik Willia!
Colin: The Steelers are the best fit for Russell Wilson!
Colin: Fire Tomlin so he can work for FOX. He can be my guest and give me ratings!
I think Colin may be schizophrenic? he does this ALOT
I'm more than Ok with that last sentence.
$1.2 million that's Russ's contract colin. if it's not the money that's a factor the steelers will trade Russ and bank in savings.
@@John-PaulHunt-q3z The Steelers tried to get a QB room on the cheap. You get what you pay for. There's a reason why the Broncos and the Bears wanted nothing to do with Fields and Wilson. Turns out they aren't very good. At least Wilson used to be a great quarterback. I thought our only chance was him turning back the clock. But that doesn't seem likely at this point.
@@bigbuffguy9589 we shall see.
Colin is getting ridiculously repetitive. We get it, you hate Aaron Rodgers and hate defensive coaches and are buddies with Sean Payton
I mean he right on the Rodgers take
@@Bankroll98he isn’t
He’s sold out to big Pharma who he’ll pay his wages,
He’s a sell out
100% a monkey could spit Colin's takes. For a smart guy he acts so dumb. But he does have a show so🧐
Considering all black head coaches are defensive coaches in the NFL, you start to see he hates defensive coaches.
@@PeterDahu not all black coaches are defensive minded. Coming from an black man, I doubt Collin is that type of guy honestly
In 2021 “Rodgers’ last pro-bowl”, he also won the MVP of the league. But you don’t mention that part 😂
With a better QB season then all the other QB’s mentioned have ever had aside from maybe Mahomes
I know the QB play was terrible and weak last year, but like we look at Lamar winning MVP and it’s like a common average season for Rodgers
You forgot to mention that he didn't win the Superbowl that year either.
And he looked AWFUL in the playoffs. Followed it up by missing the playoffs
Was Manning not a savior for Denver? It's a terrible take that you must be in your prime to play savior.
Just say you don’t like Aaron Rodgers & move on. Colin & Nick’s eyes go red whenever he comes up. The revisionist history has to stop.
I’m from Pittsburgh and the organization needs changes at every level. All they care about is having a winning season 🤡
Yes, Steeler here from the 70s you are right. Tomlin 16 years with one of the best QBs in history, with a good offense, Solid defense, and only one, one Super Bowl 😒
You mean a "non-losing season".
Sounds like mike McCarthy
Amen brother, so glad we get 3+ more years of this thanks to Dan Rooney extending the problem
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People act like it's against the law to not kiss Mike Tomlin's backside
I mean he def aint perfect but as a giants fan i wish i had winning seasons every year
Yeah let’s blame the coach for Wilson getting hurt.
@@melissalynn7608mid every year let’s give it up to them 🎉🎉🎉
Being critical and backing it up with facts isn't hating.
I think we all know why. Wink wink.
Same daily Aaron Rodgers hit pieces, just regurgitated a different way
The craziest thing about his rant that he kept saying: the last time Aaron made a pro bowl. Is he intentionally ignoring the fact that he won MVP that year? And was top 1/2 with Brady at the time in 2021? At some point, Colin's gotta re-analyze these takes lol
And yet you still tune in. It is what it is
@@ImDroxxy and he said they had a good o-line in 2022 when he had broken thumb and his best recr was lazard lol he's a clown
@@ImDroxxyhe won mvp but he wasnt a top 3 qb that time and flamed out in the playoffs as always
he's almost the new Skip with this schtick.
Day 247 of Aaron Rodgers living in Collins's head
Right, dudes obsessed with Rodgers, Collins and Skip Bayless should go on a Rodgers hatn vacay together. Pathetic.
I’m not even a Roger’s fan but I would love if he shut down all these analysts they hate him so much.
Tomlin and Pitt had the luxury of Big Ben. They didn't draft well to find his replacement, nor did they work hard to find a respectable OC.
They also waited forever to draft offensive linemen in the first round again.
Ben didn't want to mentor at all he we didn't have a plan for. A replacement we still can't seem to get the o line right been 6+ years of rebuild
Hard to get a replacement when you are drafting 18 or lower in the draft every year. Franchise QBs are at the top of the draft. You get lucky if you find a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder that develops into a star. It is extremely rare. That's the QBs that the Steelers have drafted. Why? Because they are an above average team most seasons. They went and got Pickett but he was a mistake. But the NFL draft history is littered with mistakes. The Steelers may need to tank this season so that they can take a shot at one of the kids coming out of college and dare I say it, replace the coach.
Ben was a bigger bandaid than ever imagined that why he had 50 plus comebacks
@@roberthall1818name a guy that did
As a Steelers fan, Tomlin should’ve been out 3 yrs ago… Hasn’t won a playoff game in 6 yrs, embarrassingly kept Canada on his staff far too long & didn’t have the balls to fire him so the owner stepped in, & miss me w the “no losing szn” bs.
I think is a lot more than 6 years 🤔
8 years no Playoff wins
@@eternal_napalm6442 9 will be the number after this season.
Mike Tomlin is living a charmed life as head coach as other coaches are fired, but Tomlin gets to keep his job when he should have been fired.
Why should he have been fired when the past 3 years has been injured defense, bad QB Play, inconsistent O line play.. still winning games
He never should have been hired in the first place
@@JayDaMan420 Because he's sucked for a decade+ now.
Colin hating on Tomlin. Now there’s something you don’t see everyday.
The national media are years behind. Steelers fans have been trying to tell everyone for years now that Tomlin is a very flawed coach.
😂
Football is back 😁
@@REVIVALFitness
Every single year 🤣😭
"I think we need to be a little younger and more dynamic at quarterback."
Ummm, they just got rid of Zach Wilson because he sucked.
And Colin makes it sound as if they just fall off trees. The option for the Jets was Zach Wilson or Aaron Rodgers, not CJ Stroud or Justin Herbert lol
Colin telling the truth about Tomlin .. wake up people
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who replaces Tomlin than ? ill rather be 9-8 than 2-15
The coaches he listed that got fired could not sustain winning after their QB Left or retired.. Tomlin is the only one that did 🙃
Tomlin is a great coach. Gfto.
@@islothplays3609 Did you have a clue who Tomlin was before he got the job? This is the dumbest take about not getting rid of the obvious problem this team has suffered under for well over a decade.
Steelers have a new OC, Jones is shifting to LT after a year at RT, brand new RT who played LT in college last year, and a rookie C. The 3 most important OL positions, first year QBs in the system too. They’ll start slow but I bet that running game looks real nice a month into the season.
Acting like the Steelers O wasn’t severely stripped back due to preseason is foolish. Almost as foolish as the 5 drives 5 TDs that hyped us up in preseason last year
Make excuses all you want, Steelers stink
They would get benefit of the doubt if they had Hines Ward, prime Ben Roethlisberger etc etc. But their offense has been boring on such a profound, eye watering level for the past 6 years. They arent intimidating anymore either. 5-12 team written all over it, and finally bottoming out. They have been outscored as a team 4 out of the past 5 yrs, with that one exception being 2020, and we all know that 2020 team may be the worst 12-4 team anyone has ever seen.
Sure man but they need to have their starters look at least compotent in the preseason
@@solidsnake7167 One of those 4 loses was a Bengals team that was starting a 3rd string QB (Ryan Finley) on Monday night football. Bengals won 27-17 and it's wasn't that close.
Guys, I know the O has been a disgrace. But acting like you scheme opponents in preseason is foolish. Artie smith’s gonna cook come regular season. So keep that same energy
Don't let Rich Eisen hear you say be critical of Tomlin!
So what your saying is ... Tomlin is a "Good coach" except that he is a bad coach and should have been fired years ago. I completely agree.
Colin freaking out about preseason - but only for the Steelers lol
🤔 but didn’t the Jets THOUGHT they had a younger and more dynamic QB with Zach after they drafted him 🤦🏾♂️ 7:00
Something about Aaron Rodgers drives Colin crazy. Backwards hat energy
colin has lying scumbag energy
Bradshaw called Tomlin a cheerleader years ago and got a lot of flak for it 😅
I’m A Steeler from the 70s , Tomlin 🤔 , ok 16 years with a one of the best QBs in history Big Ben , all this years with a good offense, Solid Defense, and only one,1 Super Bowl 🤷🏻♂️ come on man !!!!
@@arturocarranza9387thats what happens when ur in the same conference as the greatest coach and QB ever for that same span of time
And he was right then
@@JayDaMan420 Yeah, it shows how pathetic a coach you really are.
@@JayDaMan420 The Patriots didn't win every year. The Steelers mostly didn't play them in the playoffs under Tomlin. In Tomlin's entire career, he's only had to play the Patriots in the playoffs once. Cowher ran into them a lot more often.
Steelers good preseason would be more concerning honestly. They never do well in the season after a good preseason.
I think most Steelers fans have lowkey known this about tomlin for years
Media been scared to say anything
Last year was the first time you wouldn't get downvoted into oblivion on the Steelers subreddit for saying the truth about Tomlin.
@@Orxbane Yep. Last year was the first time where I felt the majority of the fan base wanted Tomlin gone rather than being allowed to coach forever. Unfortunately, the only opinion that matters is Rooney's, This is where I disagree with Cowherd's otherwise excellent take. The Steelers _used_ to have great ownership. We don't have it anymore with Art Rooney Jr.
@@bigbuffguy9589 I agree wholeheartedly. He sure ain't his Dad or the Chief.
Not a steeler fan but I believe they can get it together .. look at the qb room they had last year and made the playoffs … offensive line gotta do a better job blocking for sure
Colin isn't a top 50 sports commentator.
Mobile qbs who are sacked most than anyone in the league? Hmm maybe they can’t get rid of the damn ball😂
Then why people like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson don't get sacked as much as Fields or Russel.
@@jerredthomas5108 you’re proving my point thank you lol
Sacks are a qb stat, not against the oline. All fax here.
@@jerredthomas5108 Because they are light years better. Next question.
Steelers have developed an o-line from bottom 5 to top 10 in the league in 3 years. They have two better QBs than anything they had last year. They brought in an OC that has always had a good run game and where they’re lacking on offense is at the WR position, and they’ve been trying to address it by going after aiyuk. Plus they have a top 10 defense. Steelers could be really good this year.
Colin, NFL fans and ppl who listen to the herd..... be patience, observant and watch out for the steelers.... I'm telling you all right now, be ready for the steelers Russell Willson is gonna shredd it up!
One bad preseason game Colin hot takes ; regular season multiple wins Colin : they are great . Flip flop colin doesnt matter when you read it
Hmm, that's what Biden said too, "I had a bad night". Tomlin should be fired but the front office is afraid. Guess why..
He said the steelers were going to be better than the browns
@@razkable That's not a high bar to get over. We're talking about the Browns here.
Talking about Breece Hall like he’s Christian McCaffrey lol
OMG that space age Arthur Smith offense isnt going to save two reject QBs? Color me shocked!😂
Recall how Chuck Knoll was a defensive coach, but had HOF offensive players coupled with the legendary Steel Curtain.
Pittsburgh hasn’t been dangerous offensively since Arians left.
I'd argue that our offense was pretty dangerous with Haley, if he hadn't been the one also calling the plays. I liked his playbook, Ben made good use of it in the fourth quarter when he stopped listening to Todd.
0:35 Justin Fields is mobile, Russ not so much Colin!
Calling Russ immobile is completely false.
@@TylerLeBlanc7 He's old as dirt. Did you watch him last week? He old and slow.
JF is horrible
Did you do this time stamp from mobile or on a laptop?
Jason so corny it’s entertaining. Biggest try hard in sports media. He’s not that bad but it’s so funny how he tries to mimic Colin while also getting bullied subtly the whole show
Only the jets are worse lol bet Jason didn't expect that
Im really getting tired of the medias take on Aaron
What an irrelevant point to make. Rodgers sucks because at 40 he's no longer the best qb in the NFL? LOL.
Colin's obsessive hatred for Aaron Rodgers is approaching Skip/LeBron levels
Except the first time Rodgers throws 3TDs in a game Colin will be the fire one on Rodgers nuts.
How can you say he isn't the best player Colin, he is by far the best player, total disrespect and dullutional view of Rodgers. I'm sure I'll get 100 likes to prove you wrong, like u agree 💯????????
If Aaron Rodgers stays healthy, the Jets will make the playoffs. Colin is searching for something, the season will start soon enough. LET'S GO JETS!
why does he only talk about us but the browns QB issue is not talked about Waston hasnt done anything what so ever lmao
Basically saying Deshaun Watson is better off than Rodgers is insanity
Thank you, Colin. Its been over 3 years now for the Steelers to move on from Tomlin.
I wish we were a little younger with sports pundits
Different players, Different coordinators, same issue with the same Head Coach mmmm maybe Tomlin is the issue
And has been for well over a decade. He's not a good coach.
Tomlin LIED to Kenny Pickett, then treated him dishonorably. As a lifelong Steelers fan who grew up in Pittsburgh in the 1970s... Tomlin is more focused on his own narratives, not Steelers values. I hope Kenny plays in the upcoming game vs the Steelers and puts it right in Tomlin's eye.
The " Speak" crew act like Tomlin is untouchable.
So far he has been, any other coach would have been fired years ago.
AR is about to make these haters backpedal all season.
He better not back pedal or he might get a tear. Think he will survive an entire series this year. SF going to hurt him
Sean Peyton is in his office watching all of this chuckling away!!! 👏🏾🤣🤣🤣….
Im not as good as i once was
He’s right. Every word is true. Now listen to the homers go wah wah. BTW I grew up in the shadow of Three Rivers Stadium in the ‘70s. It was always about the offensive line. Tomlin never invested in an offensive line. Noll and Cower knew Steelers football. Good defense, good running game. The O line is the foundation. For years and years we could run and defend the run. Now we can’t move the LOS an inch if we have to. That is not Steelers football. And it’s on Tomlin.
They just spent 2 first round picks on it my guy
Overreacting to preseason 😂
Did you hear about this offense? They are almost last every year
I can't wait to use "It's just Pre-Season!" after Week 1.
There is a reason he had MVP’s and a SB with only a good defense. All he did was not throw picks and have highlight reels. Comebacks say more about QB than anything
Cowherd just rambles on about whatever pops into his head! He rarely completes a thought!
😂😂 no according to to this fake fans tomlin is the greatest coach of all time this dude it’s horrible
Ha Ha take that J-Mac to the face. Same guy who said Jets are going to the Superbowl😂😂😂 and he couldn't even respond.
So if they the most qbs sacked in the league the GM needs to handle that situation
He's been banging on Aaron Rodgers so long that he's finally right. Only because Aaron Rodgers has gotten old
This is getting really embarrassing for Colin
No way Colin said Tua is better than Aaron
COWHERD, stop pushing the narrative that defensive head coaches are not successful. Belichek kills your argument. Chiefs won the SB due to their DEFENSIVE DOMINANCE last year, not offensively. Steelers LINE is the problem PERIOD.
Big Ben didn’t need pass protection for 10 years they didn’t worry about it lol now it’s huge problem
Qbs have not exploded. League rules exploded offenses and defanged defenses. Scoring 35 pts isn't what it used to be neither is 4000 passing yards.
I get that the Steelers looked awful and it was all O-line but it's also preseason. They had a couple of injuries that kind of blew up their plans and Jones got worked at RT (where almost all the pressure was coming). I'm withholding judgment until the regular season and Arthur Smith is actually scheming stuff. If we're 8 games in and it's not significantly better, I'm fine with laying it all at Tomlin's doorstep.
An actual reasonable take. Just curious why have you kept Tomlin off the hotseat before now?
@@Orxbane Actually, I haven't. There was a time last season where I thought he should be let go at the end of the season. His greatest offensive misstep was keeping Matt Canada as OC 1-2 seasons after it was clear he had no idea what he was doing. If he's guilty of anything, it's not appreciating the role offense plays in NFL football in 2024.
@@davidchilton4301 A smart head coach never would have hired Canada.
Stupid to underestimate the pro baddass QBs Russ & Arron. These pros are the best on the planet.
Even Mike Florio and Chris Simms blamed the O-Line for Russ's struggles, and they've been his haters over the last two seasons. If Rich Eisen, Nick Wright, and the folks at ESPN (Louis Riddick, Kimberly Martin, etc.) start attacking that O-Line, Tomlin is in trouble, because they all hate on Russ incessantly.
A year ago Colin said Rodgers wouldn't be bad but Irrelevant in the AFC. I think that was a good take but now he keeps covering the Jets like they aren't going to be an 8-9 mess, rather he talk about Lawrence or Jalen Hurts or Will Levis.
bro really added the “uncle” to colin in the outro 💀
Mike tomlin never gets blamed for anything. He's like flores part 2. They are scared to fire him bc of obvious reasons.
This is just another example of how quarterbacks make coaches.
Tomlin looked great with Big Ben, completely lost without. Same with Belichick. When he had Brady, people said he was the greatest coach of all time. Completely inept without Brady, gets fired. Sean Payton looks like a genius with Drew Brees, can't make the playoffs without him. Payton at least knows it and drafted Bo Nix for that reason, but you see the same story repeated over and over across the NFL.
Rodgers is nowhere near as good as he used to be. He can still deliver strikes, but now he NEEDS protection because his feet ain't what they used to be. Less tangible is the fact Rodgers has turned into a DIVA who doesn't put the team first in everything.
Fire Tomlin and hire Pete Carroll or Bill Belichick. That will get it done for Pitt.
I’m hoping this is Tomlin’s last season with the Steelers. That contract extension needs to not materialize. The Steelers have not been relevant since 2017 it’s disgusting. Steeler games haven’t been fun to watch offensively in a long time.
As a falcons fan I can tell you EXACTLY why their offense looks bad.
Two words…… Arthur Smith
And who hired Arthur Smith
Vikings fan since 96’, I hate everything about Rodgers but Uncle Colin takes it to another level of hate.
Finally someone calling out Tomlin which I've been critical of him for years. In 11 of the last 13 Seasons, the Pittsburgh Steelers have either missed the playoffs or made the playoffs and didn't win a game; that's how bad my Steelers have been for over a decade.
Repeat after me: "Pre-season"
Aaron Rodgers Wins NFL Comeback of the Year
Colin; it’s the Jets defense that’s keeping Aaron in games
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I wonder what he’ll say if Aaron wins an MVP again
Colin: When Colin Was Right
For a Future Hall Of Fame Coach, Colin at least have the respect to wait for the Season to start before igniting flames on one of the few African American coaches still left in the league...
"This guys better at his position than Aaron is at QB" he says while using 4 snaps as evidence. I'm not a Rodgers or Jets fan really but I hope he has one of the greatest seasons ever just to make all these guys look silly. Same for Dak and Kirk.
"Aaron isn't as big as LeBron" Wow Colin that is world class analysis, thanks again!
Omg. Rodgers is still very good and absolutely a top 3 jets player. I’m a bears fan and I respect Rodgers talent. If Bears don’t make playoffs I’ll be rooting for Jets just because of the Rodgers haters.
If Sean Payton has an identical record to Mike Tomlin then Colin will pump Payton up to be a GOAT 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂
Not sure why Colin loves Herbert. He hasn't done anything noteworthy.
Plays in la and gets to play the raiders and broncos...
Since Mike Munchek has there offensive line has been terrible! They need to invest and spend money on a great offensive line coach or try and bring muncheck back
Yes, please God, let Tomlin be fired.
Give me Rodgers over Tua everyday of the week & TWICE on Sunday
What are the odds AR doesn’t finish the season as the Jets starting QB: imo 50.5%.
So was it Sean Payton’s fault when Russ was struggling?
I’m not an Aaron Rodgers fan, but with all the fires that you mentioned that are better than Aaron Rodgers at their positions to me it sounds like if Aaron has a mediocre year that the Jets could win the AFC East.
Mike Tomlin over his tenure has done less with more. Tomlin literally had a top 5 QB best RB best WR and above average defense and did absolutely 💩 for years. Get bounced in 1st round. When Tim Tebow beat us in the playoffs years back on a slant pass for TD I knew them Tomlin had to go. Big Ben play masked a lot issues that Tomlin was causing and now it’s showing. You don’t play for winning seasons you play to win the SB
Colin can get bent.
Many people have been calling Tomlin a fraud for years and have been critical of him on the merits. Critics were dismissed as ungratefully stupid at best and closeted racists at worst.
Own up to the fact that the media has been so desirous to make Tomlin work that they have put delusions above their own senses.
Last year in preseason Kenny Pickett was the next one and the Steelers were game breakers. This year they’re a disaster. Let the hype begin.
Then on another video he’ll say Russ held the ball too long and that’s why Sean Payton is happy with Nix 😂
Colin doesn’t like Black coaches and qbs
Bingo!
Well it doesn’t help when you have one of the best QBs in history, for 16 years and have only one Super Bowl.!
Victim mentality
@@arturocarranza9387 When your opponent is Brady what do you expect? Marino has zero rings.
Aaron’s last year in GB he was playing with rookies and his best receiver was Lazard. You can only play so much hero ball before you actually need some real help.
You can’t criticize Tomlin and not make Omar Khan and Arthur Smith culpable.
Come on, Omar Khan had his first draft last year and Arthur Smith just got here. There's more than enough evidence to criticize Tomlin all on his own. Tomlin is mediocre at best and has only been propped up for one reason.
@@Orxbane If coach T is mediocre, Smith bottom of the barrel.
@@Asaturn44 That may be so, doesn't change that Tomlin needs to go. We won't ever have a competent OC while he is head coach.
@@Orxbane We did in Todd Haley. Modern entitled Steeler fans ran him away.
@@Asaturn44 His playbook was good, but he was terrible calling plays. Ben was a better playcaller than Todd would ever hope to be. That's not necessarily a vote for Ben being a good play caller, just much better than Haley.
Like the Jet's have made good draft choices in the past....let's see how Rodger's goes first...