Stockli Stormrider 95 (2024): Ski Review
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Elliott Reviews the 2024 Stockli Stormrider 95 in a 176.
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0:00 On Snow and First Impressions
3:14 The Good
6:56 The Bad
13:16 Construction and Specs
14:28 Changes from 2023 to 2024 Stormrider
15:06 Price and Value
16:00 Score
21:42 On Snow Performance
Great content! I think this is what the ski industry needs, honest good in depth reviews.
Thanks!
Thank you for the honest review. As someone who owns the previous SR95, I wholeheartedly concur with your good and bad on this ski. The front side ability of this ski is phenomenal. I have never skied anything as solid and smooth on trail. But once I get these off trail and in the powder, they are unreasonably difficult to control. You can ski them in powder, but the amount of energy you need to input into them to get them to turn is surprising. It's exhausting, They feel like they are stuck in cement in the powder. This being said, once you get used to them in powder you can have fun. Just make sure you are in great shape....keep up the great work!!
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Thanks Elliot, That was a great review. I own this ski in a 182. I have three days on it and its pretty great on trail. I believe your description of the loss of snap is exactly what I feel. I love how quiet and high performance the ski is, but in a 95 I feel there may be better options. I also have the Montero ar and I actually prefer it in most on trail instances (at least this year with limited snowfall), however I did ski a 50 degree day.....JANUARY spring conditions on the Montero yesterday and thought all day maybe the Stormrider 95 would be a better choice for that day. With all of that, I believe your review to be very accurate and I believe also the 95 may be an odd size as it doesn't perform that well off trail, still a pretty awesome ski though.
Once again, thank you for your review! Its really nice to hear a description of what I have experienced and have the light come on "Oh ya! that's what I was feeling"
Great content as always, keeping it real!!
This sounds like the perfect ski for the guy who’s a little older, a little beat up, but still likes to send it.
haha, it still feels like you're describing me there.
Ha ha, not yet. The guy I’m talking about is excited to be with his grand son on his first black diamond run.
Thanks for the review, very helpful, no one ever really talks about any negatives about the Stoklis and other premium skis, aside from the price being higher. Hope you are able to get your hands on some Moment skis to demo soon! The new Countach has barely been covered at all, but the Deathwish and Wildcat have also not been reviewed much even though they are deeply entrenched freestyle skis that have been used in top competitions worldwide.
I'm actually surprised, you don't have bigger following. You're really a very good reviewer, because many people leave the minuses unsaid. I really appreciate your honesty.
As car mechanic, Lexus often feels like Camry - damp and smooth. Reliability wise, they're good cars but not perfect. Well there is no perfect car just like skis. They need proper service just like any other car, some models more than others.
You covered construction for this ski, so Kudos. What no one brings up, and you claim honesty, is they use very different glue/pressing technique which is what gives them the "feel". Its not epoxy and not fiberglass resin like most other skis. Its a non-thermoset glue (I forget the technical name) and there is very little "glass" in the ski, if any at all. That and the materials give this ski its feel. They will last a lot longer without breaking down (years more) so a big plus. Its also a lot more expensive method, so some of the high cost is justified. Its why they are handmade and what makes them what they are. They don't advertise this info, but its out there if you dig.
Thanks Scott!
First of all, even though I went skiing yesterday, I am still jealous on how much you are going this year.. That is so cool.. It did look like you had different elements that you tested the ski in..
Last season I demoed the 95s and one of the skis was blown out at the heal.. I could still feel the smoothness that you are talking about and that I have on my 2016 88s and 2019 105s (that I was on yesterday).. I will have to give the whole Stormrider line a year or so to see if they fixed them blowing out at the heal..
I agree with you as far as when you get dampness you lose energy.. To me that is a skiing style preference.. I also agree with how skis can be energy drains.. As snow turns to crud/slush my ski style changes.. I am carver but I am learning to be more surfy in the crud/slush.. I use less energy that way..
I think I told you about when I was on my SR 105s a couple weeks ago so I won't say that again but yesterday when I was on them and I got to PEAK 10 they opened my favorite run which still had the blue lines of the GS race.. I skied down with a couple racers and we just flew.. My top speed was 48 mph which was pretty good considering it was flat light.. One of the racers was on Kastle... I think they were 89s or they could have been 98s but I was totally keeping up..
As a fan of Stockli, I appreciate your honest review. Curious to see a review of the 102 Stormriders!
Will definitely try if I get the chance, but they're hard to find locally
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Enjoyed your review very much!
I was looking into getting a new pair of SR95 and I will pause that based on your review.
I have Stockli SC 163 and love this ski. Especially at high speed but 72 underfoot only can do so much.
So I bought Bonafide 166 in 2019 and took some time to get used to them which I love now.
Last year, I was in Utah (Deer Valley) and had 15” of fresh powder and Bonafide was a struggle and sapped all my energy.
I was looking to replace Bonafide with SR95 and seems like they both have the same pro and the same con. That’s sad :( LOL
I love to carve(the most important) but lately enjoy tree & glade skiing but Bonafide is not right ski for it.
I will definitely give Atomic Maverick & Head Kore 93 a try…besides I was hoping SR95 would make something shorter than 170 as I get older I want shorter skis as I and a short(er) guy getting older. Thank you so much for your time for making the video. As I just got done 6 days of skiing @ Banff & Lake Louis, I am with you that dampness taking your energy little by little.
I love the SR 95 for both on and off piste days. It is the ski bring when I am not quite sure what the conditions will be like. Less tiring in crud as it has that crud bust power and dampness. Other skis you might get more energy out of are the Montero AR and the Kastle MX 88. Good score and detailed review.
Great review Eliot! I say that as an owner of 5 pairs of Stocklis. I think you hit right on mark on the SR’s smoothness and it being an all-mountain wide carvers (with the focus on the latter). I agree they are not particularly playful nor superior in powder. Of course that’s splitting hairs. It is like the most critiques you will hear for basically a 9/10 or 10/10 (imho) skis.
Except the Nordica enforcer free line exists and costs half as much, despite being a just better ski all around for the purpose.
Just in time to make life difficult, Nordica changes the wood guy from the the best ski ever made... Tres desole.... 😢
@@johnklaus9111 the enforcers are very “mediocre” in carving performance compared to any pair of Stocklis
Very mediocre compare to SR95.....
Would love to see you try Nordica unleashed 95s, especially after testing the rustler 10s. I know you don’t like the nordica enforcers and would be interesting to hear your opinion on these
I would love to, unfortunately my local demo shop doesn't carry them so I would need Nordica to send me a loaner
Or the 104 Free. Different than standard enforcer
Hi Elliot, is it possible to review narrower skies, 65 to 75mm? We don’t use this shovels u r reviewing in Europe 😂
I have some 2023 95 storm riders. I put Look Pivot bindings on these and they are REALLY different to the pair I tried with Stockli Salmon bindings - same tune, both skis new. I actually prefer the Salomon bindings as they grip much better if you are throwing a big carve down. I guess I should have known this from the difference soft or stiff plates make on race skis. Duh!
It's easy to forget! I haven't been on those tall race plates in so long it catches me off guard when I get back to a lifted binding.
hearing "the bad" and the value proposition, i'm quite surprised by the 9/10 score!
great review, enjoyed watching it!
on the topic of stocklis, what do you think about the laser sc?
That's because they're small weaknesses, the overall skiing experience on them was really positive. Just trying to differentiate them from other top performers.
Is this at Bogus Basin? I swear I was just on one of those runs the other day.
Thanks for another excellent review. I have ther SR102s which I love, and must be better than the 95s for my preferred off-trail skiing. I am an older guy so the smoothness suits me well.
I would really love a second set of skis which are still All-Mountain but turn the fun factor up to max. A set of skis worth taking along with my SR102 for days where I just want to be entertained, when stability and smoothness are secondary.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Just depends on what exactly you want them for, I daily drive the Atomic Maverick 88Ti, Meier makes a really Fun Wrangler, Short radius carving Black Crows has the Mirus Cor. All around I loved the Head Kore 93, just depends on what you're looking for. I have reviews up on all of those skis.
Somewhat accurate review with a few caveats.
Yes the ski is damp and smooth, but this is not why you are getting tired after skiing it all day. The reason you are getting tired is 2 causes.
1-Your technique is mid level, not elite level. But don't worry, most of the skier's in TGR and MSP are mid level technique as well and couldn't turn a straight or old school ski off-piste. Here is what is happening. You get tired, because you are pushing off the outside leg to get rebound for the ski to respond. This is not how skiing at the higher levels works on modern skis. You do not need to push away from the ski. Rebound is from timing and letting the ski load by not pushing away. A higher level and more effective way of less effort, more agility, more balanced, and cleaner visually is retracting the ski after you have allowed the ski to load. Pushing away from the ski instead of allowing it to load and do the work for you is just like early extending or losing lag in a golf swing or "throwing" a fly rod instead of allowing the rod to load and throw for you.
2-The ski has a smaller amount of rocker profile than nearly every ski in it's class, therefore steering the ski takes more effort without a higher level of technique and the floatation will not be as easy. To get the SR skis to float takes more of a centered balance point. I prefer to be forward most of the time, so a little more rocker would be preferred for a skier like me when off-piste on this ski.
Very interesting! Demystifying Stockli and luxury skis is such a great service to the community of skiers pining and wondering about them. Like, of course rubber isn't magic, but it's great to now have the comparative context of what it does differently from something like a Fischer Ranger or Atomic Maverick.
I'd still be really curious to try one of the narrower, dedicated carving skis from Stockli or Stereo which have rubber added. I don't really like the idea of taking a wide carving ski and then deaden/overdamp the carving energy, but for a more precise carving ski, maybe that smoothness would balance out just how energetic a detuned slalom/GS ski can be. I also wonder if it's any more valuable to have that extra damping in a speed-oriented GS ski as opposed to a quick slalom ski. I know the Blizzard cheaters have their binding system that floats a bit over the ski, but I'm curious if actually adding rubber would feel notably different/better than a Thunderbird/Firebird. If only we could have an Elliott clone who skis out east and mostly reviews narrow, carving skis!
the Laser WRT pro is definitely not deaden.. it’s the most energetic recreational class skis ever that I’ve been on. I’m hoping Elliot would review it if he can get his hands on it!
@@kiramuro Ah, yeah, I actually went over to Stockli's product pages right after I commented, and it didn't look like any of the Laser line of performance-oriented carving skis had rubber in their construction. Even the more mellow Laser CX doesn't appear to have it. But that only increases my curiosity in the carving skis from Stereo, where even their FIS skis have rubber in their construction! It's maddening that there's not a single review of any of these new carving skis from Stereo out there.
Where the hell is that ski resort you’re testing the skis at it’s empty I wish California was like that that’s crazy skiing GS all day long
Haha, Bogus Basin in Idaho
This vs Atomic Mav 95 or 100 Ti? Which would you pick?
I prefer the Mavericks slightly, but if you want smoothness and dampness go with the Stormriders. If you want to float in random powder go maverick
If you want the premium feel but want more snap and energy, buy a Kastle MX...
Oooo, I think I actually saw a pair available for Demo the other day.
Old man's ski --- just like the Lexus is an old man's car --- that's not an insult -- just means it's for someone who puts an premium on smooth and has lost interest in spicy lines, and has the money to pay for it... Great review though....
Definitely not an old man’s skis.. its smoothness enables you to drive through anything with speed and stability including spicy lines in less than ideal conditions :) though personally I prefer the Montero for those less than powder conditions.
@@kiramuro I'll have to take your word for it -- both people I know iwith Stormriders are 60yr old ski instructors... They're great skiers, much better than me, but aren't taking spicy lines anymore.. I know --- a sample size of 2 is anectdote, not evidence...
@jehjay2600 I think you're both right. 😂😂 It has the ability, But I have never seen anyone doing anything even remotely gnarly on a stormrider 95. They're almost always on trail. The GWagen of skis!!!😅😅
My comment wasn't a slight or attempt to denigrate the skis -- the fact that older ski instructors choose them says a lot, They're on their feet /skis all day, on good snow and bad snow, and need skis that effortlessly make them look good demonstrating all sorts of techniques in all conditions. So smooth, damp, precise skis are key... They're discening customers and are willing to pay the premium for the best in that category. BUT lets be honest, they're also spending 90% of their time on groomers and blue cruisers, not mobbing down double-black pillow lines or popping 360s off side hits, not flying through trees with students, etc.. and certainly not playing in the park. IE - they're being "mature" skiers...
Hate to tell you guys there are a lot of good skiers ripping on these including myself. (FYI I’m an ex racer and big mountain skier who likes steep and harry lines). Not a better ski out there but they do carry a premium price tag.
Justis!
It's a beautiful ski, but the price, oof. I'd rather own an 88 and 106 for $1350 from several brands than one pair of Stockli 95s for $1250.
Agreed, I sold even my used SR 88's to help purchase my powder skis.
Rossignol sender 104ti and also the soul7 are hand made . A lot of skis are hand made. thats no reasing to be expensife
If all you want to do is carve, why get a ski with 95mm waist? Especially if it doesn't do well off trail? Score seems kind of high for the target audience.
Having a 95mm ski that carves really well has some advantages for a niche group. As Elliot mentioned, on piste it plowed through variable snow and other inconsistencies really well. Part of that can be attributed to it being a wider and more stable platform.
Honestly, I see this as a great daily driver for an ex-racer type who primarily skis on piste and wants a little extra width to power through things. Otherwise there are plenty of other options that make more sense.
That's exactly the point I brought up in the review. Also the overall performance was still very high, but small details keep it at the low 9 score
@@bstrac77 I get that a 95 waisted ski could be a good daily driver, I just think that if it's not good in soft snow and off trail, there are better options and the 9/10 score is a little too high.
@@RicketySkiReviewsfair enough, it's your review and you clearly value carving over other ski performance characteristics. But aren't there other skis you have reviewed that do a better job in all snow conditions? Love your review style!
Yeah, totally, all of them have higher scores, Head Kore 93, BC Draco freebird, Atomic Mavericks, and salomon QST's.
Why aren't you on 180+ cm skis for your size? Extra length would really help float off trail. Skis have differences in float for sure, but if your on too short a ski to give float, who's issue is that? Carvers I can see 175+ for you, but all mtn and powder you are too big for 175's except for certain models. If you are sent a ski, then that is what you ski, but you paid for this one and should have had a choice of length. I am 20 lbs heavier and a few inches taller and I always ski 183+ cm skis. In that ski I probably would choose a 188, you needed the 182 length.
1.) You also have to work with what the demo center has on hand.
2.) I just straight up disagree, 176 is totally suitable, and my mavericks in a 176 have no such issue with flotation. Even my old stormrider 88s in a 176 had the same problem with submarining. I have a whole video about Ski Length. But I think while it would help, it wouldn't have made a meaningful difference.
Length of ski has nothing to do with float imho.
Hard to be sure about if the difference is meaningful, but here is example from my real world experience. My son has a 184 Moment Bibby Pro ski, 118mm wide. He is 160 lbs and it floats him fine in any snow. I skied it in light powder and the tips dove and it sinks pretty bad. I bought the same ski in 190 cm, still 118cm wide. With me on it (250lbs) it has no tip dive and it doesn't sink much at all. Its the right ski for a 200-250 lb person. Both skis mounted on factory line. If you believe the length of a ski has nothing to do with float, sorry, you are mis-informed and haven't actually tried it to see. Physics says float is a function of surface area, longer skis have more surface area for equal width. Now float in snow, its certainly not that simple, but longer skis float better period. Other things have significant effect for sure, but length has a lot to do with float.
I guess we agree to disagree (except on item 1) and I guess you don't care about being correct, just publishing what you believe without proving it right or wrong. Losing faith and feel sorry for those that trust your judgement. BTW, Mavericks are a different ski and have better float at a narrower width. To me that proves my point which is skis have differences in float and a lot of factors effect that, but skis too short for won't float well. The Maverick is not too short for your weight, but the SR 95 is. Try the longer length and put your $$ were you mouth is. (Don't mean that as harsh as it sounds, just mean pay for another demo and actually learn something. If you can't find a longer SR95, do the experiment with another ski that doesn't float you well in a 175+/- length and publish the results.
Scott, feel free to put your $$ where your mouth is, this is free content, it looks like you're not a member, I'm not even sure you're subscribed. You can contribute to the channel if you want or even do a super thanks. Peace and Love, but you're being pretty rude.
@@RicketySkiReviews You deleted my last response. Controlling the narrative is the current technique, aye?
Wider skis are not going to be "quick" edge to edge. Just physics/geometry.
I mean there are other factors like cut etc, but generally speaking I'm comparing similar sized widths.