Sidney Crosby , 3x Stanley cup champion took over a year off in his prime to properly treat concussion issues...No reason Tua couldn't if that's needed and no reason the dolphins shouldn't pay him during the recovery time as needed.
Would you pay an employeee for a year for doing nothing? Millions for sitting on your ass? He isnt an allen, burrow, mahomes, herbert level player to warrant that either.
Yes. Agree. McAfee saying " big egos" . Just about every Doctor I have seen in the last years. Massive Egos and Dismissiveness. So.. Yes I respect Men who talk real.
it was pretty tough to watch on Friday when they were absolutely shilling for the nfl and pretending like theres no way in the world the rules weren't followed. And then a day later? Turns out they weren't. Good to see them admit their ignorance but hopefully they take this as a lesson that they don't need to pretend like the NFL never makes mistakes.
@@ryanjordan1083 I don’t think they were shilling for the NFL so much giving the NFL the benefit of the doubt & being careful to avoid slander. We know more about this situation than we did a week ago & it would’ve been very irresponsible to over speculate before more details emerged
Exactly, what a crock. I saw neurologists on a show talking about it talks 4-6 weeks to begin to heal and almost all the players come back the next week. And big stars and qb's are always let back in. Only a few teams like Kansas City will pull any player out of the game.
I remember back when Trent Williams was a Redskin they told him he was good to play.. low and behold I think he had a brain tumor or something along those lines. Forgive me if it was less serious but being even older now this comes into perspective a lot more. Really glad y’all are covering this, it freaks me out these dudes are putting their lives on the line and not getting taken care of ❤
That's not what occured.. Trent was scratched from the pro bowl He then went under the knife to removed a growth .. He then held out of camp.. Now is possible the medical staff at that time missed something ,of course But Trent wanted a extension on his contract that is ultimately why he held out.. Not medical issues. He was never cleared to play, he failed his physical
@@deliriouswhome1 you're wrong on almost every aspect you describe. From numerous articles published Oct 2019 "for six years team doctors failed to take seriously a growth on his head that was diagnosed this winter as a rare form of cancer. “I almost lost my life,” he said. ... Thursday was the first time the 31-year-old Williams has spoken publicly since the end of last season. ... The cancer, he said, is called Dermatofibrosarcoma Protuberans, or DFSP, a soft tissue sarcoma that develops in the deep layers of the skin. He first noticed the growth late in the 2013 season and said he asked the doctors about it then and at other times in the ensuing years as the growth continued to get bigger. Each time, he said, he was told the growth was nothing to worry about. Only when the team finally grew more concerned with the growth this offseason and sent him to their affiliated INOVA hospital did doctors deem it to be a serious health issue, he said. Williams then went to a Chicago hospital, where he was diagnosed with a cancerous tumor. In midwinter, he had surgery there to remove it. “We literally caught it within weeks of metastasizing through to my brain to my skull,” This is why Williams was angry enough to hold out. He did not directly confirm suggestions made by friends and associates that he does not want to play for the Redskins again, but he did not sound like someone who wants to be with the team. He said no one from the team visited him during his two-week hospital stay - it had flown him to Chicago but not back."
@@deliriouswhome1 so in 2013 Trent Williams found a growth on his head, raised the issue to the medical team, they acknowledged it but insisted it was not a concern despite its continued growth, cut to 2019 Redskins team doctors become concerned at the size the growth has reached as it has continued to grow and now decide to send Trent to a specialist to have the growth examined, the specialist determines it is a serious health issue but it will need further testing to diagnose, Trent is sent to a Chicago Hospital for said tests but the team only pays to fly him to Chicago not back, Trent is diagnosed with cancer and begins treatment, after finishing treatment Trent fails a physical when he can't comfortably put on a helmet because as he said "surgeons had cut out 30 percent of his scalp to remove the tumor, and that some pain remains from the two procedures to repair the wound."
@@deliriouswhome1 Washington's medical team failed to notice a continuously growing tumor on Trent Williams head for SIX YEARS to the point it began eating through his skull. A little more time and it would have crept into his brain and if not killed him ,it would've undoubtedly ended his football career.
@@jamiemills5659 I'm not incorrect on the timeline of the situation... This all occured between the the pro bowl and camp the following season. He was never cleared to play in any game during the situation.. I don't think the original post was too mislead, they just didn't know exactly want occured, they even stated that fact themselves. Trent wanted an extension on current contract , the holdout itself was not about medical. Trent and his agent never filed a complaint over the issue or seeked legal action. This was media driven situation, that mostly only showcased one side of the situation.. To actually understanding the situation in fullest ,you have understand the collective bargaining agreement.. I'm not saying the growth washf diagnosed, that occurs in medical field occasionally, what I'm saying he Trent had options ,he never used, then played it off life it was life threating , when there a 99% survival rate. Your talking a unrelated football injury. Trent signed a contract extension in 2015, and was going into his last season with the redskins when he held out.. This was about getting another extension, at higher rate than the team was willing to give ,given his injury history.(football related injuries)
It does not take an expert to know if it burns when you pee you might have vd but if you lie to your doctor good luck treating it! No arguments being brought forward about Tua's accountability in the process as the patient!
@@patrickbjordahl3239 this is why McDaniel and the doctors are in place. Even if Tua lied, McDaniel has the final say. Millions of people saw what he saw and we all figured he was done because it was bad. Not McDaniel though, the Doc said he’s clear and he didn’t hesitate for a second. Players are conditioned to nut up and get in there. Somebody needs to protect them from themselves
@@diddyfaplord McDaniels had no input on the situation other than ok the doctor cleared him and Tua said he's ok to play ... You try and make the decision to bench him 😂 I'm sure you'd say you would..but we all know you'd align with the experts opinion aswell... That's what all the keyboard warrior's say what about the doctor welp he's become the skape goat Mr. Glass gets a pass but we need more blood 😂
This is one of those situations where you DON'T want the best & brightest neurosurgeons. You need paramedics. The people who have seen the most concussions, see them when they are fresh and deal with uncooperative patients on a daily basis.
Yup, I was an infantry medic and had to diagnose concussions on the spot. I have no doubt that the first hit was a concussion. I'm almost positive of it actually. Head impact with a whipping motion, remained on the ground for longer than normally expected after the impact, put his hands up to his face while on the ground, shook his head when he got up, lost his balance while walking, and then had the "noodle body" as we called it. Its literally textbook symptoms of a neurological event.
@@adrianbenson28 paramedics? Hell no. No offense. I’ve worked in healthcare for a long time and you don’t want paramedics making those kind of decisions.
Aaron Rogers said on the Joe Rogan podcast that he didn’t realize he had a concussion until after the game because of the adrenaline pumping at the time.. He’s played a full game with a concussion and nobody knew about it 🤷♂️
This. Often you can have very mild symptoms covered , untill after the event. Problem is we have so many "experts" stating " it's obvious when you have a concussion , you act like x,y,z". And that's not true. You can function through some concussions, you can immediately be knocked out through others.
Some concussions don’t have symptoms until days later, too. I got told to go back to work after a head injury at home. Before I even went to to work, two days after doctor tests, I started getting horrible concussion symptoms. Don’t go to a hospital. Get a neurologist to do it. They know what they’re talking about.
The instability add to the policy to me makes so much sense and Probably should have been in the entire time. Certain symptoms of concussions don’t always come immediately in general and when you throw adrenaline in the mix as well I would imagine it happens a lot where someone can seem “fine” or “cognizant” after the impact but then the symptoms set in after the game or the next day.
excellent video, fellas! being a steeler fan, i remember back in 2015 against the seahawks, big ben got hit by a seahawk defender & started experiencing weird symptoms, so he took himself out of the game bcuz of possible concussion. he got sum flack for this from sum folks. but this dude is a WARRIOR & played thru many injuries, yet he had the presence of mind & lack of ego to remove himself. i agree with you pat, that it’s rare for players to take themselves out of games. prayers to all these dudes 🙏🏻
Nobody is talking about Devante Adams vs the 49ers last year. Devante was knocked out cold on the field for more than a full minute… he was out on the field again playing within 10 minutes. Made no sense to me
Oh so you mean everyone who said Tua never should’ve played after the staggering last Sunday were right and that doctor was wrong? And people kept saying “you’re not a doctor…..”. It was clear to anyone with a Brain that Tua shouldn’t have been playing. They said the dude made “multiple mistakes” in clearing Tua last Sunday so yeah he screwed up diagnosing him.
@@danhall76 could be…. But the NFLPA said he was fired due to “several mistakes” he made evaluating Tua. And what’s more, they were saying Tua was passing concussion checks all week…. Why check him for a concussion if it was his back and ankle? Lol
@@cincinnatipedalsteel4347 So why wasn’t the team doctor fired? Then they did concussion protocol leading up to the Thursday game. Why weren’t they fired as well!
Have you ever had any interaction with a specialist like a neurologist? I can almost guarantee when they started getting pressured the god complex came out.
Bro, I’m a contractor that works in a lot of hospitals throughout the state. Surgeons have some of the biggest egos I’ve ever freaking seen. Most are aholes. Everyone else in the hospital actually tend to be very nice in my experience. Every time I have to do work in a OR my spirit dies. Hospital admins have been terrible but I don’t know near enough of them compared to surgeons. Take this with a grain of salt because it’s not everyone of course.
What happened to Tua makes me soooo freaking sad... I'm a bills fan. At the end of the day I'm praying for Tua to go back to 100% who cares how long it takes just need him to get better 🙏 ❤ 💙
They didn't fire him because of an oversight, or a mistake, they did it as a message to the rest of the NFLPA to remind them: "We can fire you whenever we like without having to give a reason." If they provide justification after the fact, it's as an excuse. They're just pretending that their leverage isn't absolute, but the firing is an attempt to save their reputation and deny responsibility.
You fail to understand one thing...it was actually the NFLPA that dismissed the doctor. And in terms not following protocol, doesn't mean Tua evaluation wasn't correct , it could been as simple as going through a certain line of command ,or having the same doctor do a follow up. NFL isn't to blame for tua injury .. the nature of the game is.
I untreated a head injury i got in a race car hit the wall head on at 60mph. 3 months later went to hospital couldnt eat or drink anything was just sick as heck. Spent a couple weeks litterly staring at the wall. Take the time all i did was get knocked out my hands didnt go crazy he should take the year off.
Still... Tua had no business being in that Bengals game in the first place. Everyone saw how he ended up in the Bills game. The situation just got worse cuz he was made to play last Thursday
He wasnt forced to play. He passed all tests given to him. If tua at any point would have said he couldnt go or didnt feel comfortable going back in, he would have been on the bench. Prove me wrong
@@d8l835 It doesn’t matter whether he passed the tests or not or how he said he feels. It should have been ruled a concussion in the Bills game after he wobbled twice trying to get up. That should have been the end of it. The only way to “get around that” is some weird wording in the protocol. Something along the lines of “was the motor instability orthopaedic in nature.” A doctor has a pretty good video explaining it.
@@MrRandyKomi than why have a protocol at all?? He wasnt forced to go back in, and we was medically cleared by doctors completely independent from the team. You could argue whatever you want but those are the facts. Everyone is reacting off their feelings like a bunch of those "safe space" kids instead of facts. If you went to the doctor for a cancer check, he says you have cancer, and you say no i dont, your a fukin moron. Why is this any different, they are PROFESSIONAL doctors, with PROFESSIONAL opinions. Who on that football field was more qualified to make that call than the doctors? I dont tell you that your burning the burgers i respect your opinion as the man holding the spatula, dont tell the doctor you know more than he does, its fukin ridiculous
@@MrRandyKomi it should have been ruled a concussion. But what will be investigated is why it wasn't. And whether the neurologist didn't follow protocol, whether Tua lied about his back or whether he was given that excuse to get back in the game or whether someone in Miami hierarchy or unduly influenced the independent neurologist or a combination.
I appreciate Pat admitting that with all this new information, that he was naive. Wish the Dolphins and NFL would too but I understand that would open them up to a lawsuit.
Why isn't anyone talking about Tee Higgins leaving the Steelers game with a concussion and then being knocked out of the Jets game with a concussion yet he was allowed to play against the Dolphins on Thursday ?
@@ttred7621 So if a fighter gets knocked out in Boxing is he back fighting in a couple of weeks ? So a concussion if you back playing in two weeks or less I don't see how that can be safe especially when as a receiver he probably more at risk at getting hit. I am not saying Tua should have been in there but these linemen and Linebackers are getting dinged every week and play on. Remember when they first started talking about CTE they were not just talking about concussions it was the accumulative hits to the head that a lot of players receive throughout the game and there careers. These guys are on the sidelines using smelling sauce. They getting dinged a lot.
A s a college LB no football player would ever do that, at least a large majority would definitely be willing to lie just to get back onto the field, we know the risks we sign up for but I do understand that it’s a little different when millions are on the line
@@hotbobbysauce950 yeah Tua is still in the process of making a name for himself for potential 100s of millions some day and the dolphins are competitive for the first time in quite a while. It seems easy for most of us to see those 2 horrific plays and think he should take off as long as he is possibly allowed from the NFL but unfortunately that's not how he got to where he is. He might regret not pushing for time off through this in the future one day but in the moment he is going to play as much as they will possibly allow. The only way this works is taking the decision out of Tuas hands all together.
That’s not how most athletes think and that’s why I say, they know what they signed up for! Serious injuries and even death is a possibility on each play. It’s only being talked about because the world saw him get up and stumbled black to the ground. If that Sunday fall some how wasn’t taped and Thursday happened as it did, we wouldn’t even hear about this today. They would have wished him thoughts and prayers and moved right along.
3 reasons why the doctor was probably aggressive and not cooperative.. 1. The obvious reason - A lot of these doctors have huge egos and don’t like being questioned on anything. 2. The doctor believes he did everything correctly and just being used as a scapegoat to blame. 3. He can’t admit any sort of fault due to malpractice.
In my neurobiology classes a concussion is classified as a Traumatic Brian injury. You can call it “mild” all you want but if you don’t give time for swelling to go down and let it heal it will cause problems. The fact that the dolphins let him play even if he passed protocol still amazes me in the worst way
There was a quick shot of Brate asking a coach "what happened" after the 12 man call... so there was def someone with the Bucs who knew he got his bell rung
In business, employees are responsible to act within the best interest of the shareholders... The UNC being duly appointed... Where would their obligated loyalty be?... Between the players or the NFL shareholders???
I wish hospitals took the same approach. Some people think can just be assholes and face no accountability because they went to med school. As a PT i hear so much from the patients after they get home from the hospitals
can't fire people that provide so much value because someone is upset. patients lie a lot and complain abotu everything despite being treated perfectly fine
@@medmuse_ That doesn’t mean that every patient with an issue is just complaining for no reason. There’s a litany of research that demonstrates a heavy correlation between medical outcomes and the approach of medical professionals when interacting with patients.
I bet that doctor was pissed that the NFL has a flawed protocol that he carried out and then had the NFL breathing down his neck with his medical career on the line as they use him as a scapegoat. I would be pissed too
i didn't see it that way. He's saying there's too many things we don't know and speculating that perhaps it was a rogue doctor, but perhaps the league outlined the steps these doctors must take; i.e. telling the neurologists how to do their jobs. Maybe the doctor followed protocol laid out by the NFL, and according to that criteria, there was no concussion. Too many unanswered questions still.
I wonder if changing the schedule so teams played every other week instead of every week would help in any significant way. They could even keep the tv schedules with the afc playing one week and the nfc playing the other week.
I’ve studied boxing and MMA for 30 years and therefore have seen any and all types of concussions. I could for damn sure do a better job keeping these young men safe from themselves and these crooked bastards if I had the position on the field.
ROFL I went to Harvard and I'm the best brain doctor in the world and I can tell you last Sunday Tua didn't have a concussion. Your idiotic comment makes as much sense as my comment to you. Do not ever compare boxing and MMA to football. Boxing and MMA dont have helmets and are constantly getting hit in the head
Part of the concussion protocol needs to be the independent neurologist knows football and watches the game and reviews tape as part of his decision. Players lie and can even think they're fine. The independent neurologist needs to see the injury and the immediate reaction. Not just when he's in a tent.
Right, use everything. He hit his head HARD, even if he showed no symptoms just seeing the play should be enough for a doctor to say, "let's take a bit and check this out"
Its tough for Pat to give is honest opinion when if he says the wrong thing on the show the NFL is watching which the show has a relationship with. But they fired them to quiet the noise around the situation. I heard on Greenys show they should consider the MMA modern rule of the concussion protocol but being removed more than 30 days players would just lie. Players lie about there concussions Drew Brees said it already he always lied so he wouldnt sit out from the game. Its tough situation.
As a college LB I think I can speak for most football players and say we know and understand the risks we sign up for, I wish people didn’t constantly try and implement so many rules to keep making the game soft and could just understand that football is a dangerous game. And there’s absolutely no way we can truly prevent concussions without completely ruining the game
At a certain point I think we all have to acknowledge that a lot of the concussion issues are widely known. I can't imagine the NFLPA isn't circulating as much as they can about the severity of brain injuries. Some of the players are just going to play anyways. It's not the best decision but it is a decision.
Pittsburgh let Micah come right back into the game after a clear concussion this week. Happened on another team as well. Happens every week. Crickets from the media.
Look at Tee Higgins on Bengals - concussion week1, did not player week 2, knocked out cold week 3 in a head to head hit against Jets - returned same game and also played Thursday same as Tua.... no one says a word
@@questlive2338 Yeah, Higgins. That's who I was trying to remember. Even in the Bills game, there were concussed dudes all over the place (physical game). Wilkins laid somebody out for instance and the guy laid down and pretended it was a cramp. He was clearly out of wack. No one is really watching and the players are not going to take themselves out the game.
These men are literally superhuman. How has nobody died on the field from a brain injury yet? I think the only person to ever pass on a field died of a heart attack
I'd imagine the best decision for a doc is to just say you're not playing whenever someone gets rocked. It is getting closer to flag football every year.
@@Anthonyjsoliz and you believe what the NFL and PA are saying that he was negligent? All we hear is what the NFL wants us to hear, no way in hell they’ll let the doc speak on it. Makes more sense to just fire him, and give him some hush money rather than have him come out and say “I didn’t clear him.” Not saying that’s what’s happening, but you’re a fool if you believe the words of a multibillion dollar organization that makes their living off of people destroying each other’s brains for a living.
Tua should not say too much with NFL investigation team about personal issues. Just let your lawyer handle it. NFL need to pay Tua in this matter regardless.
To this point nobody has said the doctor was a bad doctor. In Cincinnati Tua had an X-ray and a CT Scan. They came back clear. In Miami Tua had an MRI which also came back clear. What does that mean? Maybe he didn't have a consussion in the Buffalo game, but that was a whopper of a concussion in the Bengals game.
Honestly, I think it’s more of a protocol issue. Loopholes in that protocol big enough to drive a truck through. As a physician if I started feeling like the scapegoat I doubt I would have been very cooperative either.
This might seem like an over simplification of this new plan, but they said if a player exhibits motor skills problems he'll be pulled out and not allowed back in. Now suppose there's a big pile up on the goal line and a guy gets up and just stumbles... just momentarily loses his balance and stumbles. Is he out of the game? Sometimes guys are slow to get up. Will they be out of the game?
The hardest part of hiring a niche subject matter expert that requires decades of school and experience, is that you often need the same amount of experience to be able to interview and qualify them for a job. Thats the only way to get the subtleties of someones professional skills, opinions, and capabilities out and into the open. Sounds like the NFL and NFLPA made the same mistake here.
That's what I was thinking. If it was just some suits from the NFLPA doing interviews for the position a doctor could just bs his way through and they wouldn't know any different
Spotters can just take out key players whenever they want because they might’ve seen sumth yeah no clue how you fix it but the answer might be that you can’t fix it
I thought the whole purpose of the concussion protocols was to keep the players from having a say in going back in because the majority will most likely say they're good to go when they're not... is that not correct? I mean... Travis Kelce was saying that when he got beat up in that playoff game against the Titans a few years ago he was practically demanding to be put back in and the coaches and docs put the kibosh on that super quick.
Every doctor acts this way when questioned though. If at any point a doctor feels like you're blaming them for something; they act like a dick because they fear being sued and losing their license.
I'm gonna be honest; as someone that is currently in this field of medicine, this needed to happen. Too many old Dr's that refuse to accept or catch up to modern medicine, and think of themselves as Gods. I can tell you with 100% certainty that any good Dr who saw that on TV, was VERY worried about this situation.
I'm no football expert, but I've worked in enough businesses to have a good guess at what happened with Tua and the spotters. Most likely, the spotter's job is to report anything they see that they think warrants an exam by the UNC. If the UNC has already examined the player, I'm guessing they don't report anything, since the result of a report is almost certainly an exam by the UNC.
This situation is ridiculous...because no one wants to admit that football is inherently a dangerous sport and no "protocol" will make it safer but rather the game itself needs to change.
Notice ,they "Never" Named the Person they Fired , because if they did ,questions could be asked and the truth found out. Interesting way to Scapegoat. And it seemed to have Worked, for the Time Being.
Teams should have their own “spotting” personnel and be doing everything in their power to protect their investment. Every football fan watching, knew Brate was out for a second, and that Tua shouldn’t have been playing. Our pride, and a strong influence, can easily put us into harms way when we know better, so this is a team issue in my eyes.
Multiple people having to be spotters but no accountability for the players themselves to be truthful about their health 😂 2022 u can't make this stuff up
Fall Guy, M.D. Does anyone think the doctor wanted to make sure that Tua was out there over say the GM and coach? I'd love to be a fly on the wall of that conversation.
The nfl needs to be more clear on what the protocol is. Don't throw the doctor under the bus before he speaks his peace. The real answer is if player safety is the most important thing. There's a simple fix. Let's do away with player proformance incentive contracts. That way if a guy needs 3 weeks off it's not effecting his paychecks.
Sidney Crosby , 3x Stanley cup champion took over a year off in his prime to properly treat concussion issues...No reason Tua couldn't if that's needed and no reason the dolphins shouldn't pay him during the recovery time as needed.
it was his neck
*neck
Would you pay an employeee for a year for doing nothing? Millions for sitting on your ass? He isnt an allen, burrow, mahomes, herbert level player to warrant that either.
@@french_toast223 bro what
@@french_toast223 if he's my franchise guy then yes if he's not hellno
It’s good to see Pat and AJ admit their ignorance. Hard to do for a lot of people. Respect them for that. ✊
Yes. Agree. McAfee saying " big egos" . Just about every Doctor I have seen in the last years. Massive Egos and Dismissiveness. So.. Yes I respect Men who talk real.
Agreed. Their original conversation around the Tua injury was kinda off-putting to me, with how dismissive they were. Appreciate the self-reflection.
it was pretty tough to watch on Friday when they were absolutely shilling for the nfl and pretending like theres no way in the world the rules weren't followed. And then a day later? Turns out they weren't. Good to see them admit their ignorance but hopefully they take this as a lesson that they don't need to pretend like the NFL never makes mistakes.
It is a sign of true maturity. The irony is that the show takes itself less seriously overall.
@@ryanjordan1083 I don’t think they were shilling for the NFL so much giving the NFL the benefit of the doubt & being careful to avoid slander. We know more about this situation than we did a week ago & it would’ve been very irresponsible to over speculate before more details emerged
They fired the doctor for following their failed protocol.
Classical shoot the messenger
Exactly, what a crock. I saw neurologists on a show talking about it talks 4-6 weeks to begin to heal and almost all the players come back the next week. And big stars and qb's are always let back in. Only a few teams like Kansas City will pull any player out of the game.
@@michaelwaninger3155 very true. Learned in sports med that at times 2 weeks is not long enough
No he was told to pass him. The protocols probably were bypassed.
NAILED IT. NOW LET'S SEE WHAT THE NFLPA DOES ABOUT IT.
Sounds like the dr is the scapegoat
Ding ding. Definitely was a scapegoat.
Pretty much, he's being fired for not talking and cooperating. He's probably protecting the NFL or the dolphins.
I remember back when Trent Williams was a Redskin they told him he was good to play.. low and behold I think he had a brain tumor or something along those lines. Forgive me if it was less serious but being even older now this comes into perspective a lot more. Really glad y’all are covering this, it freaks me out these dudes are putting their lives on the line and not getting taken care of ❤
That's not what occured..
Trent was scratched from the pro bowl
He then went under the knife to removed a growth ..
He then held out of camp..
Now is possible the medical staff at that time missed something ,of course
But Trent wanted a extension on his contract that is ultimately why he held out..
Not medical issues.
He was never cleared to play, he failed his physical
@@deliriouswhome1 you're wrong on almost every aspect you describe.
From numerous articles published Oct 2019 "for six years team doctors failed to take seriously a growth on his head that was diagnosed this winter as a rare form of cancer. “I almost lost my life,” he said.
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Thursday was the first time the 31-year-old Williams has spoken publicly since the end of last season.
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The cancer, he said, is called Dermatofibrosarcoma Protuberans, or DFSP, a soft tissue sarcoma that develops in the deep layers of the skin. He first noticed the growth late in the 2013 season and said he asked the doctors about it then and at other times in the ensuing years as the growth continued to get bigger. Each time, he said, he was told the growth was nothing to worry about.
Only when the team finally grew more concerned with the growth this offseason and sent him to their affiliated INOVA hospital did doctors deem it to be a serious health issue, he said. Williams then went to a Chicago hospital, where he was diagnosed with a cancerous tumor. In midwinter, he had surgery there to remove it. “We literally caught it within weeks of metastasizing through to my brain to my skull,”
This is why Williams was angry enough to hold out. He did not directly confirm suggestions made by friends and associates that he does not want to play for the Redskins again, but he did not sound like someone who wants to be with the team. He said no one from the team visited him during his two-week hospital stay - it had flown him to Chicago but not back."
@@deliriouswhome1 so in 2013 Trent Williams found a growth on his head, raised the issue to the medical team, they acknowledged it but insisted it was not a concern despite its continued growth, cut to 2019 Redskins team doctors become concerned at the size the growth has reached as it has continued to grow and now decide to send Trent to a specialist to have the growth examined, the specialist determines it is a serious health issue but it will need further testing to diagnose, Trent is sent to a Chicago Hospital for said tests but the team only pays to fly him to Chicago not back, Trent is diagnosed with cancer and begins treatment, after finishing treatment Trent fails a physical when he can't comfortably put on a helmet because as he said "surgeons had cut out 30 percent of his scalp to remove the tumor, and that some pain remains from the two procedures to repair the wound."
@@deliriouswhome1 Washington's medical team failed to notice a continuously growing tumor on Trent Williams head for SIX YEARS to the point it began eating through his skull.
A little more time and it would have crept into his brain and if not killed him ,it would've undoubtedly ended his football career.
@@jamiemills5659 I'm not incorrect on the timeline of the situation...
This all occured between the the pro bowl and camp the following season.
He was never cleared to play in any game during the situation..
I don't think the original post was too mislead, they just didn't know exactly want occured, they even stated that fact themselves.
Trent wanted an extension on current contract , the holdout itself was not about medical. Trent and his agent never filed a complaint over the issue or seeked legal action. This was media driven situation, that mostly only showcased one side of the situation..
To actually understanding the situation in fullest ,you have understand the collective bargaining agreement..
I'm not saying the growth washf diagnosed, that occurs in medical field occasionally, what I'm saying he Trent had options ,he never used, then played it off life it was life threating , when there a 99% survival rate.
Your talking a unrelated football injury.
Trent signed a contract extension in 2015, and was going into his last season with the redskins when he held out..
This was about getting another extension, at higher rate than the team was willing to give ,given his injury history.(football related injuries)
he was just the scapegoat. Those coaches new what was up. But winning is more important
It does not take an expert to know if it burns when you pee you might have vd but if you lie to your doctor good luck treating it! No arguments being brought forward about Tua's accountability in the process as the patient!
Exactly. McDaniels is playing dumb
So he wasn't fired for his diagnosis...Sounds like they fucked this guy over to make it look like they've fixed that particular issue.
@@patrickbjordahl3239 this is why McDaniel and the doctors are in place. Even if Tua lied, McDaniel has the final say. Millions of people saw what he saw and we all figured he was done because it was bad. Not McDaniel though, the Doc said he’s clear and he didn’t hesitate for a second. Players are conditioned to nut up and get in there. Somebody needs to protect them from themselves
@@diddyfaplord McDaniels had no input on the situation other than ok the doctor cleared him and Tua said he's ok to play ... You try and make the decision to bench him 😂 I'm sure you'd say you would..but we all know you'd align with the experts opinion aswell... That's what all the keyboard warrior's say what about the doctor welp he's become the skape goat Mr. Glass gets a pass but we need more blood 😂
This is one of those situations where you DON'T want the best & brightest neurosurgeons. You need paramedics. The people who have seen the most concussions, see them when they are fresh and deal with uncooperative patients on a daily basis.
Yup, I was an infantry medic and had to diagnose concussions on the spot. I have no doubt that the first hit was a concussion. I'm almost positive of it actually. Head impact with a whipping motion, remained on the ground for longer than normally expected after the impact, put his hands up to his face while on the ground, shook his head when he got up, lost his balance while walking, and then had the "noodle body" as we called it. Its literally textbook symptoms of a neurological event.
@@iamtheowl9631 I almost added "or army medics who've seen active duty".
@@adrianbenson28 paramedics? Hell no. No offense. I’ve worked in healthcare for a long time and you don’t want paramedics making those kind of decisions.
@@prancinfox15 why not? They're better than this doctor.
Aaron Rogers said on the Joe Rogan podcast that he didn’t realize he had a concussion until after the game because of the adrenaline pumping at the time.. He’s played a full game with a concussion and nobody knew about it 🤷♂️
This. Often you can have very mild symptoms covered , untill after the event. Problem is we have so many "experts" stating " it's obvious when you have a concussion , you act like x,y,z". And that's not true. You can function through some concussions, you can immediately be knocked out through others.
Some concussions don’t have symptoms until days later, too. I got told to go back to work after a head injury at home. Before I even went to to work, two days after doctor tests, I started getting horrible concussion symptoms.
Don’t go to a hospital. Get a neurologist to do it. They know what they’re talking about.
In the words of HOF Chris Carter. "You gotta have a fall guy"
Does sound like a bit of a cover up. Blaming the doctors for the NFL leaving things too vague or open to interpretation in the protocol
They had to do it for the optics someone needed to be fired for this.
The instability add to the policy to me makes so much sense and Probably should have been in the entire time. Certain symptoms of concussions don’t always come immediately in general and when you throw adrenaline in the mix as well I would imagine it happens a lot where someone can seem “fine” or “cognizant” after the impact but then the symptoms set in after the game or the next day.
excellent video, fellas! being a steeler fan, i remember back in 2015 against the seahawks, big ben got hit by a seahawk defender & started experiencing weird symptoms, so he took himself out of the game bcuz of possible concussion. he got sum flack for this from sum folks. but this dude is a WARRIOR & played thru many injuries, yet he had the presence of mind & lack of ego to remove himself. i agree with you pat, that it’s rare for players to take themselves out of games. prayers to all these dudes 🙏🏻
Nobody is talking about Devante Adams vs the 49ers last year. Devante was knocked out cold on the field for more than a full minute… he was out on the field again playing within 10 minutes. Made no sense to me
Oh so you mean everyone who said Tua never should’ve played after the staggering last Sunday were right and that doctor was wrong?
And people kept saying “you’re not a doctor…..”. It was clear to anyone with a Brain that Tua shouldn’t have been playing.
They said the dude made “multiple mistakes” in clearing Tua last Sunday so yeah he screwed up diagnosing him.
Exactly
Probably. Also a chance they are just scapegoating this dude to save their asses though.
@@danhall76 could be…. But the NFLPA said he was fired due to “several mistakes” he made evaluating Tua.
And what’s more, they were saying Tua was passing concussion checks all week…. Why check him for a concussion if it was his back and ankle? Lol
@@cincinnatipedalsteel4347 So why wasn’t the team doctor fired? Then they did concussion protocol leading up to the Thursday game. Why weren’t they fired as well!
There’s a loop hope with everything. The Dr/Team just used the loophole so legally speaking he’s fine
Have you ever had any interaction with a specialist like a neurologist? I can almost guarantee when they started getting pressured the god complex came out.
Bro, I’m a contractor that works in a lot of hospitals throughout the state. Surgeons have some of the biggest egos I’ve ever freaking seen. Most are aholes. Everyone else in the hospital actually tend to be very nice in my experience. Every time I have to do work in a OR my spirit dies. Hospital admins have been terrible but I don’t know near enough of them compared to surgeons. Take this with a grain of salt because it’s not everyone of course.
Intelligence carries the propensity for that. It’s up to the parents to balance that EQ.
What happened to Tua makes me soooo freaking sad... I'm a bills fan. At the end of the day I'm praying for Tua to go back to 100% who cares how long it takes just need him to get better 🙏 ❤ 💙
After week one, nobody is 100%
The doctor had Tua on his fantasy team, had to let him play.
They didn't fire him because of an oversight, or a mistake, they did it as a message to the rest of the NFLPA to remind them: "We can fire you whenever we like without having to give a reason." If they provide justification after the fact, it's as an excuse. They're just pretending that their leverage isn't absolute, but the firing is an attempt to save their reputation and deny responsibility.
hope he gets fined if possible
also feel like the organization deserves blame as well, no way team doctors and personnel didn’t realize he was not good
You fail to understand one thing...it was actually the NFLPA that dismissed the doctor.
And in terms not following protocol, doesn't mean Tua evaluation wasn't correct , it could been as simple as going through a certain line of command ,or having the same doctor do a follow up.
NFL isn't to blame for tua injury .. the nature of the game is.
I untreated a head injury i got in a race car hit the wall head on at 60mph. 3 months later went to hospital couldnt eat or drink anything was just sick as heck. Spent a couple weeks litterly staring at the wall. Take the time all i did was get knocked out my hands didnt go crazy he should take the year off.
The doctor is the scapegoat for this issue, same as Clay Matthews for the roughing the passer call.
Still... Tua had no business being in that Bengals game in the first place. Everyone saw how he ended up in the Bills game. The situation just got worse cuz he was made to play last Thursday
Exactly
He wasnt forced to play. He passed all tests given to him. If tua at any point would have said he couldnt go or didnt feel comfortable going back in, he would have been on the bench. Prove me wrong
@@d8l835 It doesn’t matter whether he passed the tests or not or how he said he feels. It should have been ruled a concussion in the Bills game after he wobbled twice trying to get up. That should have been the end of it. The only way to “get around that” is some weird wording in the protocol. Something along the lines of “was the motor instability orthopaedic in nature.” A doctor has a pretty good video explaining it.
@@MrRandyKomi than why have a protocol at all?? He wasnt forced to go back in, and we was medically cleared by doctors completely independent from the team. You could argue whatever you want but those are the facts. Everyone is reacting off their feelings like a bunch of those "safe space" kids instead of facts. If you went to the doctor for a cancer check, he says you have cancer, and you say no i dont, your a fukin moron. Why is this any different, they are PROFESSIONAL doctors, with PROFESSIONAL opinions. Who on that football field was more qualified to make that call than the doctors? I dont tell you that your burning the burgers i respect your opinion as the man holding the spatula, dont tell the doctor you know more than he does, its fukin ridiculous
@@MrRandyKomi it should have been ruled a concussion. But what will be investigated is why it wasn't. And whether the neurologist didn't follow protocol, whether Tua lied about his back or whether he was given that excuse to get back in the game or whether someone in Miami hierarchy or unduly influenced the independent neurologist or a combination.
I fuckin love this channel omg so many laughs, you guys are great
I appreciate Pat admitting that with all this new information, that he was naive. Wish the Dolphins and NFL would too but I understand that would open them up to a lawsuit.
Why isn't anyone talking about Tee Higgins leaving the Steelers game with a concussion and then being knocked out of the Jets game with a concussion yet he was allowed to play against the Dolphins on Thursday ?
He wasn't knocked out of the Jets game with a concussion
Tee higgins got a concussion against Steelers and sat the next week. Against jets, tough hit, but no concussion. That’s why nobody is talking about it
@@ttred7621 So if a fighter gets knocked out in Boxing is he back fighting in a couple of weeks ? So a concussion if you back playing in two weeks or less I don't see how that can be safe especially when as a receiver he probably more at risk at getting hit. I am not saying Tua should have been in there but these linemen and Linebackers are getting dinged every week and play on. Remember when they first started talking about CTE they were not just talking about concussions it was the accumulative hits to the head that a lot of players receive throughout the game and there careers. These guys are on the sidelines using smelling sauce. They getting dinged a lot.
“They found several obscurities”
Wtf does that mean Ty?! 🤣😂🤣😂
Honestly if I’m Tua I’d take the entire year off. Your long term health and well being is way more important then playing football.
That’s just not how NFL players see it. Tua even said on Friday or Saturday that he’s concerned about how many games he’ll miss because of this.
A s a college LB no football player would ever do that, at least a large majority would definitely be willing to lie just to get back onto the field, we know the risks we sign up for but I do understand that it’s a little different when millions are on the line
@@hotbobbysauce950 yeah Tua is still in the process of making a name for himself for potential 100s of millions some day and the dolphins are competitive for the first time in quite a while. It seems easy for most of us to see those 2 horrific plays and think he should take off as long as he is possibly allowed from the NFL but unfortunately that's not how he got to where he is. He might regret not pushing for time off through this in the future one day but in the moment he is going to play as much as they will possibly allow. The only way this works is taking the decision out of Tuas hands all together.
@@hotbobbysauce950 that’s how NFL players see it 10 years after they retire
That’s not how most athletes think and that’s why I say, they know what they signed up for! Serious injuries and even death is a possibility on each play. It’s only being talked about because the world saw him get up and stumbled black to the ground. If that Sunday fall some how wasn’t taped and Thursday happened as it did, we wouldn’t even hear about this today. They would have wished him thoughts and prayers and moved right along.
spotters and the doctors need to be looked at and massive improvement needs to take place asap this season
"Just call me Dr next time" 🤣😂🤣🤣
3 reasons why the doctor was probably aggressive and not cooperative..
1. The obvious reason - A lot of these doctors have huge egos and don’t like being questioned on anything.
2. The doctor believes he did everything correctly and just being used as a scapegoat to blame.
3. He can’t admit any sort of fault due to malpractice.
COACH MCDANIEL SAID HIS INJURY WAS “ Normal “
It's my understanding that they confer with the team Dr as well. It's not just that guy making the call.
To the people saying Pat is backing the NFL wtf did you even watch the clip 😂😂 he said they were wrong and being naive lmao
In my neurobiology classes a concussion is classified as a Traumatic Brian injury. You can call it “mild” all you want but if you don’t give time for swelling to go down and let it heal it will cause problems. The fact that the dolphins let him play even if he passed protocol still amazes me in the worst way
Doctor: how many fingers?
Tua: uhhhh two
Doctor: he can say his name in pig Latin he's fine!
2:05🤣🤣
There was a quick shot of Brate asking a coach "what happened" after the 12 man call... so there was def someone with the Bucs who knew he got his bell rung
In business, employees are responsible to act within the best interest of the shareholders...
The UNC being duly appointed...
Where would their obligated loyalty be?...
Between the players or the NFL shareholders???
I wish hospitals took the same approach. Some people think can just be assholes and face no accountability because they went to med school. As a PT i hear so much from the patients after they get home from the hospitals
can't fire people that provide so much value because someone is upset. patients lie a lot and complain abotu everything despite being treated perfectly fine
Hoooooly cow you are so right. I'm considering moving after my experience with my hospital after a motorcycle crash.
@@medmuse_ That doesn’t mean that every patient with an issue is just complaining for no reason. There’s a litany of research that demonstrates a heavy correlation between medical outcomes and the approach of medical professionals when interacting with patients.
That doctor lawyered up
Joe has his finger on the button and you think we have the smartest people leading us.... Pfffftttt..... Cmon man!!!!
"shut the hell up man!!!"
@@InfamousSlappy 🤣🤣
I love how we don't have his name lol
5:39 If you have ever played high school football then you have probably had coach to do exactly this to you at some point
I bet that doctor was pissed that the NFL has a flawed protocol that he carried out and then had the NFL breathing down his neck with his medical career on the line as they use him as a scapegoat. I would be pissed too
What are they going to do about the owner you know have a part to play in it
And again Pat tries to make this look like the NFL did nothing wrong. 👏🏻
i didn't see it that way. He's saying there's too many things we don't know and speculating that perhaps it was a rogue doctor, but perhaps the league outlined the steps these doctors must take; i.e. telling the neurologists how to do their jobs. Maybe the doctor followed protocol laid out by the NFL, and according to that criteria, there was no concussion. Too many unanswered questions still.
Excellent question on was he fired for his actions or if the PA doesn’t want him to make decisions anymore.
It’s definitely the same doctor The Miami Sharks used in Any Given Sunday
I wonder if changing the schedule so teams played every other week instead of every week would help in any significant way. They could even keep the tv schedules with the afc playing one week and the nfc playing the other week.
bro ty is blasted this whole video
So both the NFLPA & the NFL can fire the "independent" doctor? Does the NFL know what independent means?
I’ve studied boxing and MMA for 30 years and therefore have seen any and all types of concussions. I could for damn sure do a better job keeping these young men safe from themselves and these crooked bastards if I had the position on the field.
ROFL I went to Harvard and I'm the best brain doctor in the world and I can tell you last Sunday Tua didn't have a concussion. Your idiotic comment makes as much sense as my comment to you. Do not ever compare boxing and MMA to football. Boxing and MMA dont have helmets and are constantly getting hit in the head
@@zukoku4063 I don’t believe you. But ok.
@@zukoku4063 best in the world is pretty good. You should be proud of yourself. Your mom is.
Shutup nerd
Part of the concussion protocol needs to be the independent neurologist knows football and watches the game and reviews tape as part of his decision.
Players lie and can even think they're fine. The independent neurologist needs to see the injury and the immediate reaction. Not just when he's in a tent.
Right, use everything. He hit his head HARD, even if he showed no symptoms just seeing the play should be enough for a doctor to say, "let's take a bit and check this out"
Its tough for Pat to give is honest opinion when if he says the wrong thing on the show the NFL is watching which the show has a relationship with. But they fired them to quiet the noise around the situation. I heard on Greenys show they should consider the MMA modern rule of the concussion protocol but being removed more than 30 days players would just lie. Players lie about there concussions Drew Brees said it already he always lied so he wouldnt sit out from the game. Its tough situation.
Nothing I've ever seen from pat leads me to believe he would hesitate giving an honest take on anything.
Pat is Pat and will speak his mind always.
As a college LB I think I can speak for most football players and say we know and understand the risks we sign up for, I wish people didn’t constantly try and implement so many rules to keep making the game soft and could just understand that football is a dangerous game. And there’s absolutely no way we can truly prevent concussions without completely ruining the game
At a certain point I think we all have to acknowledge that a lot of the concussion issues are widely known. I can't imagine the NFLPA isn't circulating as much as they can about the severity of brain injuries. Some of the players are just going to play anyways. It's not the best decision but it is a decision.
Players already lie. 30 days or no days they are going to lie
Pittsburgh let Micah come right back into the game after a clear concussion this week. Happened on another team as well. Happens every week. Crickets from the media.
The media's continued hypocrisy on every level is becoming an absolute joke.
Look at Tee Higgins on Bengals - concussion week1, did not player week 2, knocked out cold week 3 in a head to head hit against Jets - returned same game and also played Thursday same as Tua.... no one says a word
@@questlive2338 Yeah, Higgins. That's who I was trying to remember.
Even in the Bills game, there were concussed dudes all over the place (physical game). Wilkins laid somebody out for instance and the guy laid down and pretended it was a cramp. He was clearly out of wack. No one is really watching and the players are not going to take themselves out the game.
This has to make you wonder what the Tua MRI looked like in Cincinnati.
They will need 100 man active rosters.
Anyone remember when Tom Savage of HOU hands started shaking when he was sacked
These men are literally superhuman. How has nobody died on the field from a brain injury yet? I think the only person to ever pass on a field died of a heart attack
At lower level, high school or college someone has. Just not as much in the spotlight
@@wankertanker1813 yeah but usually they have a health condition of some sort I believe
@@ttred7621 coulda been.
Dont remember exactly. I thought there was some kid thay got killed by a hit on a kickoff
I'd imagine the best decision for a doc is to just say you're not playing whenever someone gets rocked. It is getting closer to flag football every year.
Not many people play the viola. I've never even heard of the 2 tongue viola. What is a viola tongue anyway?
Dude probably wouldn't say what the NFLPA wanted him to say. Gonna be fun when this comes out
What, the truth?
It's tough to spot cuz the game moves so fast.
He was just the fall guy. Tua probably could pass the test by the time he got back to the locker room.
More assumptions
@@Anthonyjsoliz and you believe what the NFL and PA are saying that he was negligent? All we hear is what the NFL wants us to hear, no way in hell they’ll let the doc speak on it. Makes more sense to just fire him, and give him some hush money rather than have him come out and say “I didn’t clear him.”
Not saying that’s what’s happening, but you’re a fool if you believe the words of a multibillion dollar organization that makes their living off of people destroying each other’s brains for a living.
Tua should not say too much with NFL investigation team about personal issues. Just let your lawyer handle it. NFL need to pay Tua in this matter regardless.
When I was a kid, when an NFL player got dinged the trainer would crack an ammonia cap under his nose and send 'im right back in...
The scapegoat for the Nfl.
To this point nobody has said the doctor was a bad doctor. In Cincinnati Tua had an X-ray and a CT Scan. They came back clear. In Miami Tua had an MRI which also came back clear. What does that mean? Maybe he didn't have a consussion in the Buffalo game, but that was a whopper of a concussion in the Bengals game.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that doctor wasn’t pressured into clearing tua.
Honestly, I think it’s more of a protocol issue. Loopholes in that protocol big enough to drive a truck through. As a physician if I started feeling like the scapegoat I doubt I would have been very cooperative either.
This might seem like an over simplification of this new plan, but they said if a player exhibits motor skills problems he'll be pulled out and not allowed back in. Now suppose there's a big pile up on the goal line and a guy gets up and just stumbles... just momentarily loses his balance and stumbles. Is he out of the game? Sometimes guys are slow to get up. Will they be out of the game?
Handed the doctor a fat check and said sorry buddy we need a scape goat
That firing excuse. Sounds like the Boston Celtics story
Don't they know you're just supposed to, "trust the science"?
This doc was playing Tua in his league and needed 5 more points to win.
Just take the year off.
I’ve never seen this program. Guy/studio on the left looks like an infomercial
The hardest part of hiring a niche subject matter expert that requires decades of school and experience, is that you often need the same amount of experience to be able to interview and qualify them for a job. Thats the only way to get the subtleties of someones professional skills, opinions, and capabilities out and into the open. Sounds like the NFL and NFLPA made the same mistake here.
That's what I was thinking. If it was just some suits from the NFLPA doing interviews for the position a doctor could just bs his way through and they wouldn't know any different
Sounds like doc's ego got in the way.
Doc: You cant interrogate me!
The Dr. had Tua on his fantasy team.
Don't let the Dolphins team doctor off the hook either!
Spotters can just take out key players whenever they want because they might’ve seen sumth yeah no clue how you fix it but the answer might be that you can’t fix it
I thought the whole purpose of the concussion protocols was to keep the players from having a say in going back in because the majority will most likely say they're good to go when they're not... is that not correct?
I mean... Travis Kelce was saying that when he got beat up in that playoff game against the Titans a few years ago he was practically demanding to be put back in and the coaches and docs put the kibosh on that super quick.
Every doctor acts this way when questioned though. If at any point a doctor feels like you're blaming them for something; they act like a dick because they fear being sued and losing their license.
I'm gonna be honest; as someone that is currently in this field of medicine, this needed to happen. Too many old Dr's that refuse to accept or catch up to modern medicine, and think of themselves as Gods. I can tell you with 100% certainty that any good Dr who saw that on TV, was VERY worried about this situation.
Its probaly more like the owner or coaches made a call that the doctor clears Tua or they clear him from his job! The doctor is the boogie men.
I'm no football expert, but I've worked in enough businesses to have a good guess at what happened with Tua and the spotters. Most likely, the spotter's job is to report anything they see that they think warrants an exam by the UNC. If the UNC has already examined the player, I'm guessing they don't report anything, since the result of a report is almost certainly an exam by the UNC.
As Chris Carter would say "Fall Guy"
This situation is ridiculous...because no one wants to admit that football is inherently a dangerous sport and no "protocol" will make it safer but rather the game itself needs to change.
Any given Sunday
r these guys james woods in any given sunday. i can dig it
Growing up watching Any Given Sunday thinking it's a more edgy & sleezy parody of football just to realize it's a actually really accurate.
Notice ,they "Never" Named the Person they Fired , because if they did ,questions could be asked and the truth found out. Interesting way to Scapegoat. And it seemed to have Worked, for the Time Being.
Teams should have their own “spotting” personnel and be doing everything in their power to protect their investment.
Every football fan watching, knew Brate was out for a second, and that Tua shouldn’t have been playing. Our pride, and a strong influence, can easily put us into harms way when we know better, so this is a team issue in my eyes.
Multiple people having to be spotters but no accountability for the players themselves to be truthful about their health 😂 2022 u can't make this stuff up
12:20 thank you AJ the first person I've heard even bring the question to the table!!
Herb Dean knew Tua was out on his feet
Anyone else remember Julian Edelman getting KOed in the Super Bowl and never coming out of the game?
Firing independent neurologist? Not sure that's what independent means.
Fall Guy, M.D. Does anyone think the doctor wanted to make sure that Tua was out there over say the GM and coach? I'd love to be a fly on the wall of that conversation.
The nfl needs to be more clear on what the protocol is. Don't throw the doctor under the bus before he speaks his peace.
The real answer is if player safety is the most important thing. There's a simple fix. Let's do away with player proformance incentive contracts. That way if a guy needs 3 weeks off it's not effecting his paychecks.
I could see how a neurologist might be a little combative when a bunch of mouth breathers question his/her competency.