Diesel-Electric Retrofit Kit for Pickups - Everything You Want To Know
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0:00 Diesel-Electric Pickup Kits
1:24 Diesel will not be going away
2:01 Who it Edison Motors
4:33 The first prototype
5:10 Diesel vs Electric
9:10 Why Hybrid?
10:33 What comes in the conversion kit?
12:07 Why E-axles?
13:47 Battery Longevity? Range?
16:25 EV Infrastructure
18:29 Onboard generator
20:14 How to get a kit
20:57 Finding a candidate for a prototype
23:51 The worst possible truck ever
26:21 Modern amenities / wiring
28:02 4WD conversion?
29:58 A revolutionary process
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Saying cars haven’t evolved from the gears. …
Ya know we haven’t invented a new simple machine in over 200 years.
All based on thousands of years ago technology
Chace did wise by taking you aboard. Any video they post, there are keyboard warriors yapping that its too complicated and that EVs never have enough range.
Their main challenge is to communicate to the general audience what they are doing and why this is different, and better.
Do you think you will have a kit for half tons
If y'all had a school bus kit you'd be rich and a hero.
Oh by the way, when you get the E axles, will you convert the ISF2.8 onroad engine at 161hp at 3600rpm back to an industrial rating of 74hp at 2500rpm ?
I still think a constant speed, generator engine gives you more benefits, the ISF2.8 still comes with all the emission stuff for a variable speed onroad application...
Locomotives are basically giant generators with incredible efficiency, it’s about time someone came out for this idea with a pickup. Finally some electric I can get behind!!
Trains are efficient because they have very little rolling resistance, not because of their series hybrid arrangement. Series hybrids are less efficient than parallel hybrids, which is why a Toyota Prius has no problem getting 60+ mpg in the real world and why the Chevy Volt could only get 42 mpg when not being charged by an external power source. My non-hybrid Civic even does better than the Volt on the highway.
Diesel-electric trains don't have batteries. Instead they use the electric generator coupled with their drive motors as a transmission. AKA "electric transmission". It's ingenious and works well on ultra-heavy vehicles like those giant dump trucks with 10 foot tall tires. Hypothetically if train car manufacturers got together and built a standard they could take one or two locomotives and use them to power drive axles on every attached car. Of course that would make the cars themselves more expensive and have higher maintenance costs and be more complicated... The added power wouldn't be worth the cost especially since existing arrangements can already move an entire city with a couple locomotives... but it could be worth it for custom-made passenger trains to get smooth acceleration and higher top speeds.
@@ivanf4023 High speed electric passenger trains (like the Shinkansen and TGV) already power each axle with a motor. They don't need diesel engines, though, because they're not stuck in the stone age.
Would agree that this is similar to locomotive. Heard Mazda was looking to use their rotary engine as a generator on similar - but as mentioned - run the engine as the ideal RPM to charge is best.
Believe it or not, Dodge is about to release a hybrid Diesel pickup!
Edison motors used the idea of diesel electric locomotives, and developed this idea for road vehicles. I actually think this is the future of electric heavy trucking.
I believe Deboss is working with Eduson Motors
I've been wanting to explore it with a jet engine for motorcycles. Even 10-20kW continuous is enough for cruising. Add that with a smaller battery reserve + supercaps and you have something with lot of performance and zero emissions at low speed.
You didnt even watch the video before commenting that lol
I've said for years that this is the way to get electric into a diesel truck. I'm no mechanic or engineer so i have not idea how hard it is to do but always thought it could be done.
Exactly using a internal combustion engine to generate electricity lets you eliminate variable load lets you reduce the complexity and size of the ic engine to make efficency
Need a kit for vans.
Older E-series vans, express vans, even the transits and sprinters.
2wd and 4wd versions would be sweet. Lots of service guys in vans would love having all the power they need with a built in generator as well.
Tesla was beyond batteries. Why can’t there be a Electo Mag kit that uses current and runs through the Locking Torque Converter … I admit I don’t know how one works, but seems to me placing magnets around the bell or adding a spacer that contains the coils mag and transformer kit.. idk I’m just spitballing here. Trying to think outside the box (T) Edison put us in.
That Elephant killer is the one that wants you to tow 1,000 pounds of batteries around. Not Tesla. Tesla wanted us to use the earths magnetic field. Edison wanted you on DC so he could METER (Monitor) it.
Even if you had a doughnut of coils behind the converter and magnets were placed around the bellhousing .. maybe not to initiate 100% drive, but even if you could push 10/20/30 % behind an already working, already there, gas engine, that would add efficiency one might lose otherwise carrying around 1,000 pounds of batteries?
I guess I need to look up currs? Or kurs?? I might be describing that and don’t know it. Anyway, either way, eff Thomas Edison
The best “kit” so far would be a 3.3 Deere or 3.9 4bt or Isuzu 4btd. america (spelled right) is obsessed with power and 0-60 times. None of the Diesels available are needed. They are WANTED. We could be riding around on a Compound little 3.?? Cat Diesel but… government. Cat quit because of them and so did the oxy cotton guy. Fed up with being treated like a woman, it’s never enough and you can never do the right thing.. gimme money gimme money and gimme money. We don’t have free energy for a REASON. CAPITALISM. You will NEVER GET AN ROI ON FREE ENERGY SO NO ONE WILL FUND THE R&D. This has been going on for decades. For forever. This is nothing new. Btw if all gas engines could run H2O tomorrow we’d all be in a rainforest. It’s the compression they’re looking for. Fill up the space. Gas is HORRIBLE at being efficient. A driveshaft is THE WORST because drive can never “over drive” the physical bond the shaft has. Turn it sideways and imagine the engine turning drive gears on the road. A gas engine is HORRIBLE for us, but the best for our economy that keeps poor people poor and the rich rich.
Yeah those 460 Fords are hungry. One problem with the 3rd gen e series is they just are not aerodynamic. Built when 55 was the law, they use a lot of fuel at 75mph no matter what engine they have
The system is just axles as a drivetrain so you absolutely could stick them up in a van same as a pickup and you’d be good to go
That would be cool
I wrote The Big Three telling them this idea to use a diesel hybrid on their cars about 20 years ago when hybrids were coming out, but they didn't listen. I am so glad you are doing this starting out with a pickup. Finally somebody that's doing it!
Ha, I didn't write to them because I was sure they already knew as locomotives have been using the technology for some time. I was sure they were already working on it.
The more I learned about electric vehicles and diesels I wondered could it work? Nice to see this.
Yes you are correct, diesel locomotives have been doing this same technology since the 1950s, actually early fifties.
I like diesels, lithium LFP batteries, oddball vehicles and such. I am a retired power generation engineer so these kinds of things interest me. I was hospitalized in January 2013. The older guy roommate had a daughter who worked at Tesla Fremont. She spent hours in our hospital room daily. I heard some engineering problems and solutions about Tesla EV's from her. I suggested building a small diesel electric ultra efficient on board charging system to add flexibility to the vehicle. Maximize all parameters on the engine to maintain the best most efficiency possible, cleanest exhaust, etc. Such a unit could recharge batteries in a parking lot while the vehicle was unattended. Capture its waste heat and use it to warm the car interior and the batteries for ultra low temperature operation. She flipped the hell out and said it was a stupid idea. Now you and Edison are doing it.
Sounds like the average ev cultist. Not really a surprise to find a devout believer at corporate.
@@randomidiot8142 And that was 11 years ago. The EV fanbois never see the whole picture. They are too busy saving the planet. For a few years now, I have been calling EV's RCV's......Remote Combustion Vehicles. Fossil fuels are burned to charge batteries. Wind and solar are supposed to be 27% overall input into our local grid. Today, it's actually 1.2% contribution to the grid because of the West Coast storm.
Instead use Nicola Tesla's Earth Capacitance Theory to pump out the electricity Planet Earth generates while spinning on its axis to recharge the system and have much fewer moving parts. There are ways to get this done that don't involve continuing to inflict COPD and other respiratory illnesses on our elderly, children and future generations. Westinghouse was all for this but Andrew Carnegie and the Oil Barron's were not and even Westinghouse couldn't protect Tesla from their influence setting the whole world back over 100 years and causing many of the high cost health problems we endure today. It would be nice if more were pursuing this technology but that would not garner much support from the energy conglomerates since they like Carnegie would see this as an end to their way of life. Imagine everybody on the planet having direct access to free electricity already being generated by the planet instead of having to pay dearly to get it from power corporations. It was amazing that they didn't assassinate Tesla and allowed Westinghouse to take care of his room and board as Tesla's health declined.
I really like my mechanical Kiki Pump diesel until I get to a fuel station however it does not have the convenience and economy of the EV which charges at home for pennies using the free courtesy charger that came with it and plugs into a standard 15 amp 120 volt outlet and while I'm sleepy always get fully charged before I wake up the next morning using about 30 to 90 cents of electricity. Truth be told the vast majority of people in North America drive less than 30 miles per day with most when they have to drive over 100 miles taking a bus or train and beyond 250 to 500 miles they are boarding a flight at an airport making it so its only a very, very small minority that actually need a vehicle that has over 100 or so miles of range for their daily lives.
I'm now finding that I really only need to start up my diesel so infrequently that I only need to fill up the tank once a year to top it off and add fuel conditioner while the same cheap used EV I've been driving for a decade has provided the rest without having to spend a penny on it for repairs aside from one set of tires, a few pairs of wiper blades, washer fluid, some cabin air filters and some brake flushes which are just maintenance items. No special stops for fuel so I can go straight home and plug into the outlet under the front overhang to charge it up every few days or so without having to install any special equipment.
The hybrid though many may clamor for it and insist they absolutely need it is really only actually needed by a very relatively few people who live in remote areas and travel far outside those communities every day. Many who do actually live in remote areas still work in a local diner, fuel station, garage, etc within 30 miles round trip of their homes and really only travel outside that a handful of times a year.
I understand that many are rabid about needing much more however when you look into their actual life situation its just for the most part based on unfounded anxiety and hype but not one a real demonstrable need except for in a relatively few cases compared to the 300 million plus people in North America. I know since I was one who was under the impression that I needed much, much more but after 10 years living with a moderate range EV I found I was wrong and was just listening to Oil Company Mantra and a Very Highly Vocal Minority.
Best!
Reminds me of a similar story of the lady engineer for the Pontiac Aztec. We all know how that one turned out.
this is not a new idea, hundreds of SAE papers on hybrid diesels..
I'm so glad you're working with Edison to try and bring this retrofit kit to reality. I'm not the target market for a ≥ 3/4ton truck but if Edison ever considers making a smaller retrofit kit fit for something like a 1500/Ranger-sized truck, I'll be one of the first to sign up. I fall into that terrible "I don't need a truck 90% of the time but just enough every now and then to justify owning one" demographic and have been dying for some sort of innovation in this area that doesn't cost $100k.
toyota hilux diesel hybrid lol
I'm with you, but for the half ton market
I'll see your Ranger and raise you an Express van/camper. My other car is a Volt, so I know what I want. And if it makes a 4wd conversion possible, well, that's just more incentive to buy.
❤😢I'm with you on the little Ranger diesel electric.
+1
This is awesome. The only way to go electric. The instant torque, while eliminating range/charge anxiety. Keep up the innovation.
THIS IS AWESOME!! I've been calling for exactly this since '84-85!
Finally, SOMEBODY with the expertise and the forward-vision needed is making it happen!!! This is the best news I've heard in a long time.
I've got an old F600 that looks just like Mater in the movie "Cars" to restore, and I'd love to retrofit it with a kit like this. I do want it to be able to handle occasional heavy loads (like carrying boulders or concrete rubble) up to around 10K lbs., while pulling a trailer with a Bobcat. But looking at the rear end in his kit, it looks like it'd handle it. Of course I'd be driving gently on good roads if I'm overloaded like that, and not for very far.
I hope you get the chance!
The positive comments for this idea and company warms my heart. Thought for sure people would hate on them but you guys rock
People who truly understand vehicles can see this technology as workable. 100% electrical is a no go for those that need reliability. Hybrid dual is the future.
I've been saying we need a diesel hybrid pickups for years. Please keep up the good work!
Run Z3 ev with generator
Dieselectric
Dislecric
Back in the early 1980's, as a college engineering experiment, I put a 24kw propane genset for residential use and forklift motor and batteries into a crew cab, long bed, Ford dually diesel pickup truck. I also installed the battery charger for the forklift batteries, 240 volt required, to allow charging when parked. This was using all scrap yard components, except for the truck that I had purchased from a neighbor for $900 with a destroyed engine. It took the better part of a year to complete, but it worked as planned. It was capable of highway speeds, same load capacity as original, and got the equivalent of 35mpg, up from stock 10mpg on fuel that was half the price of diesel (or less). It burned cleaner, was quieter, and had no problems with cold weather conditions. The fuel was good for YEARS, basically forever, and there was no need for fuel additives to prevent gelling. I did put a thermostat controlled heat blanket around the propane tank for pressure needs if it was cold enough to require it. As it was in Texas, I never had to use the tank heater. I sold the rig to a rancher in south central Texas as I needed the money, and he had it! As of 1993, the last time I heard from him, it was still going strong. With modern batteries, motor, electronics, etc., it should be even better and more capable. I'm too old and am now too disabled to do it again. I would like to see someone do a similar build as this type of hybrid is quieter, cleaner, and more economical than any other fueled hybrid I'm aware of. Retired Industrial Design Engineer and "hobbyist" fabricator.
In the late 70’s and the 80’s I managed an irrigated farm in Texas. We used Isuzu 6 cylinder non turbo engines to power our water pumps and generators to power the pivot sprinklers. We ran the, about 2000 hours a year. They were extremely fuel efficient (more so than other brands), and EXTREMELY reliable. Running 9 engines for four engines, I only had to replace an oil pan and 2 injector lines. They also make a turbo 4 cylinder.
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Dang, I forgot I used to see engines sitting on stands running out in the farm fields on the outskirts of Phoenix years ago. Thanks!
I used to have an Isuzu Trooper with a 4 cylinder turbodiesel, and an S-10 with an Isuzu diesel, and one of my work trucks is an NPR. Everything else could be falling apart around that engine and it would still run.
Plus, GM doesn't want the general public to know this, but a lot of their diesel technology is from joint ventures with Isuzu.
I built a generator out of a Land Rover 2.5l normally aspirated diesel and 22kw genset. Although it hasn't seen much action, it's simple, reliable and different than all the rest.
I swapped a Cummins R2.8 and 4L65E into a 1984 GMC C1500 and also a 6BT 12 Valve and Allison 5 SPD into a 1984 GMC C3500 Service body truck. Your channel encouraged me to do it.
How's that 2.8 Cummins crate engine? It's a straight 4 banger right? Is it strong? Turboed or NA? What about emissions? Is it all choked down with DPF, SCR, EGR, & all that bs? I've only heard a lil bit about it a while ago. 👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔩🔧🤔😃🍻
How is the MPG on each? I’m doing a 6x6 Land Cruiser 80 with a 12 valve Cummins. (Building a Doomsday truck that can run on black and bio diesel)
Engine is 4 cylinder turbo charged with EGR and DPF filter. It is a great engine for a daily driver for a half ton pickup. It tows my Kubota BX23 on a trailer just fine and gets 17 MPG while pulling.@@tdotw77
The one ton pickup with 6BT 12 valve is loaded with HVAC tools and gets 19 MPG. The half ton is a recent build, pulled out the 6.2 Detroit Diesel and replaced with R2.8. I needed the truck to move From Tacoma Washington to Nashville Tennessee pulling a trailer, so I only know it gets 17 MPG pulling a trailer. Without a load it seems to be around 25 MPG but that has been all local driving, haven't tried a long drive on freeway enough to know for sure@@devil2jz500
I've always had a soft spot for classic vehicles in sci-fi sounding all futuristic, but looking all retro. The idea of a 40s Ford with an electric drive train just does something to me. I love it.
Look up RG Letourneau
My grandpa was one of the first certified GM mechanics in my small home town on the Georgia/Florida line. I would literally move to Canada to help in your vision. I would even go to school there.
so stoked for the future of Edison and Deboss, you guys are great and I think you all have a really smart idea on your hands - loving watching the progress!
This is the kind of person that we need to lead the way forward in our automotive and trucking future! Common sense and the knowledge, skills, and background to back up what they say! Awesome!
Ram did, about a year ago
You might find for future projects that European diesel engines used for tow-behind generators are quite efficient for what you're looking for in addition to being Tier IV and Tier V compliant. The Deutz 3.6 and 4.1, Hatz 4H50, and Kohler 3404 are all Tier IV or higher and hyper efficient on fuel. I work on all of these engines on a regular basis and I would say that the only one with questionable reliability is the Kohler. All of these can power 70 kw generators.
Yanmar and Isuzu also make very efficient small diesels but I am less familiar with them.
Depending on the power required to charge the batteries, the Deutz 2.9 might even be better suited for your application.
I can't wait to see these everywhere. I want one so bad
Growing up, my dad spent 43 years working for Union Pacific RR. At some point, he explained how trains work. Since then, I've always wondered why the tech didn't make it into the automotive industry. I have a 2016 F-350 DRW and would love to do this! .
ive been thinking it for years "why dont we do what trains do?" glad to see these things being made.
Even I am thinking in that line too. Here in India, we have trucks that are not too powerful and because truckers don't earn good money they are not able to change the vehicles periodically. So if something like locomotive engines could be developed in a small footprint at least we can avoid and reduce pollution.
Appx the time the 2nd gen Ram was on the drawing board, I saw an article, either in a Jeep/truck/offroad mag or maybe popular science or popular mechanics for a project called the Dodge Contractor that Chrysler just never made. This guy’s truck will be essentially the real-life rendition of that idea.
About time, I say.
I think its more of a reliability issue for vehicles than trains. A trains running conditions are considerably more standard and controlled than the a daily driver. I'm happy to see them taking the initiative and developing this technology.
Because its a bad idea. Trains are extremely efficient because they run on rails, not so much because of their hybrid powertrain. Using electricity to power the drive motors instead of a direct mechanical means like old steam locomotives gives you a significant amount of flexibility and a powerband that starts at 0 rpm. It simplifies things, making them less expensive and less maintenance intensive.
But if you're going to do this in a pickup, you not only need a large diesel engine, you also need batteries to smooth out power delivery and big electric motors. The additional cost is not going to result in great improvements in efficiency because you're still running down the road on tires. You also don't have the benefit of massive trains loaded full of freight that pays you to haul it around.
@@Clean97gti I think a parallel hybrid makes way more sense, do you agree?
I am glad to see that I wasn't crazy. When Hummer went out of business I had the thought to buy surplus Humvees and convert them to diesel electric. I imagined building a luxury Hummer for about 3/4 of the cost of the Hummers of the time. I currently work as a mechanic/technician for a manufacturer of rail maintenance equipment converted from new Cat equipment. We engineer everything from scratch. Just last month I was beating up our electrical engineers for more info on the formulas for what engine power was necessary to run a generator that can keep up with the output necessary of a daily driver pickup truck. Sounds like I had a good idea, just not the skills or initiative to follow through. :)
Awesome. Some numbers for you: Current full EV trucks get around 2 miles per kWh at highway speeds (70mph). That’s 35kW average power. Double that for long-distance towing. So a 70kW generator would be in order; say a 120HP engine, to account for conversion losses.
A quick search for 70kw generators tells me we need a new design. Most of them are pulled on a trailer. I'm sure this audience has a solution.
I’m glad to see the great diesel-electric progress! The fact is that D/E submarines are still around because they efficiently produce superior power and propulsion.
LeTourneau knew the advantage of fue/electric back in the 20's and pioneered the Electric Wheel in the late 40's his diesel/electric earthmovers and smaller equipment were legend
I love this. I can’t afford a truck and I can’t afford a conversion but, I’ve been daydreaming about a conversion like this for years. I’m all for it!
This is exciting technology and it’s amazing to see what intelligent people who care about the environment can do. Also, if we could get the billions of people who live in China and Southeast Asia and India to put a catalytic converter on their car, we wouldn’t be even discussing this. Civilized countries are jumping through hoops and their people paying for it so we can reduce the 2% of overall global emissions that we contribute by 0.5%. I’m looking forward to watching this develop and supporting it but it’s important to keep it in perspective.
Love the Pinky & The Brain reference. Seriously though Rich, this is fantastic that you’re going down this road. My father and I have talked about this and why it hasn’t been pursued so far. We only need to look at locomotives to know it works. I will be following along as it’s a phenomenal project and wish you every possible success.
I love hearing that someone is finally doing hybrid trucks. It's crazy that automaker engineers haven't jumped all over hybrid trucks. This is an excellent video spelling out why a series hybrid is the highest efficiency with zero range limit. Looking forward to seeing more.
Absolutely love what you guys are doing. I’ve been baffled by the automotive industry building hybrid without doing exactly what you are doing now with a small generator.
Great idea and great description. One more thing I would like to see is, make the rear axle a steering axle as well as the front and make it a quadrasteer. I live in a fifth wheel RV and this would be great for the RV industry as well.
Great stuff. Submarines, ships and trains have been using this technology for decades!
Awesome to see, large mining haul trucks are D/E, always wondered why it wasn't implemented in the smaller markets. Glad to see people bringing this to the OTR market
Excellent idea. Very versatile that you can use as a backup generator for your house too!
I've followed Edison since before Topsy was built. I'm actually excited to watch this when i get home. Top of my watch later!
I hope you have great success! It takes someone like you to tackle a project like this. Unless a person has done R&D, they have absolutely no idea how much effort and time it takes. It is difficult for people to understand that a good idea isn’t good enough if you can’t make it work.
Where have I been the last 2 months? This is frickn awesome!!!
So glad to see what you guys are doing. I’m a shipwright here in BC who caught the EV bug hard! Amount many conversion projects I completed, a decade ago I designed and built a diesel electric hybrid system that I retrofitted into a 34’ boat. A much smaller engine for the generator and 97% efficiency in electric drives resulted in an overall fuel savings of 50% to run the vessel, not the mention the greatly reduced maintenance requirements. I look forward to seeing how your truck project progresses.
East coast of US here. Did same thing with an older Grand Banks been sitting in the boatyard for nearly a decade got it for a song cleaned it up but engine was beyond saving. Did some calcs, pulled the seized engine out and sold it for parts, replaced it with an electric motor and a surplus military diesel generator feeding a battery bank. flipped it to some DC hipster for a decent profit.
What you are doing is absolutely monumental! I feel The history books years from now will record your efforts!!!
Sweet, my garage pals and I talked about this 20 years ago while thinking about trains.
I love it!!!
Just as a rule of thumb, a genset runs at 50% load so a semi would need 2x the battery of a car. While Topsy pulling 60k lbs with car parts is pretty amazing, you get the sense Tesla is trying to cheap out on their semi instead of overengineering their semi from the start
Excited for this project! As a retired High Voltage Power Plant Engineer and truck enthusiast who tows a 6K camper trailer and plow snow.
I'm a dodge freak. I love this idea. I would like to see lockable axles also. I would also think the old slant 6 and straight 6 engines would be good for these conversions.
The old slant 6 , with 4 mains , is indestructible !
Where do the EV idiots think the electricity is generated? Hybrid is the best way I think. The new diesels get worse mpg's than the older ones. My 96 12 valve 5.9 gets 22mpg. My 2018 f350 srw 6.7 gets 16mpg..emissions just chokes the systems..fact !
Ships and trains have been running diesel-electric drive trains for decades. Very efficient and reliable. I have always wondered why the hybrid cars and light trucks didn't go to diesel-electric system.
There are several gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles, including the Chevy Volt & the new Ram EV Pickup. An added generator on an EV is also known as a range extender.
The word is series hybrid. In europe diesel hybrid cars are the next common hybrid from a gasoline engined hybrid. Series hybrids are rare though. The Volt/Ampera, BMW i3.
@rkan2 This is the type that I've thought all along is the obvious bridge between ICE & BEV. But the activists are unwilling to allow anything but all-electric. It's unfortunate. No credit is given for these bridge vehicles.
The efficiency of the generator coupled with batteries is an amazing improvement.
This program will provide a full revolutionary solution for all! I get chills watching the developments!
I just paid the deposit.
2012 Ram 5500 4x4 Cummins, Kelderman air ride conversion front and back, 42” super single conversion, flat deck with Bigfoot camper.
I've been following edison motors the last 2 years. They are great. Its mind-boggling that this hasn't already been done. So look forward to seeing these trucks on the road. These conversion kits would be great for delivery vans.
Me and my grandfather used to ride around in a red 1998 4x4 Dodge Dakota it had a white cap on the back. we went everywhere and did everything with it till he passed. I think the 98 dodge Dakota would be a excellent candidate for hybrid conversion.
Diesel-electric is absolutely the route I want to see freight trucks go. If you can get equivalent or greater performance and notably higher fuel efficiency, then it's the greatest middle-ground you could ask for. Plus, it'd be an amazing solution for places where long-distance hauling is the norm, like Canada. Making trains for the roads. I like it.
Clarification: I'm also a fan of the idea of range extenders or pure diesel-electric vehicles for all applications, but freight really is a place where the benefits shine the brightest. Just, all the torque, the ability to use regen-braking in lieu of engine braking, and the ICE engine can be run in its most efficient power band to run the generator. It's just such a good idea and the big truck manufacturing companies should absolutely feel shamed to death that they didn't do it first on their vehicles. Imagine being able to potentially double your fuel economy, or more, all while offering an easier and more capable driving experience.
Honestly, I love this idea and can't wait to see finished product. also, deep down more excited to see how awesome it becomes as it grows and perfects. Ground breaking work fellas.
Rich, it's a tough call between direct drive and wheel motors. Modern drivetrain losses avg 15%. Battery charging losses are around 20% or more with a 5% loss added on the generator.
Still not straightforward because the diesel would use less fuel at peak volumetric efficiency. Then you have to consider battery size weight and draw capacity vs shared load. Pure EVs run on natural gas or coal primarily depending on the powerplant. True "pure EV" emissions can be calculated down to the gram by using province or region or state power generation emissions figures. They are definitely not clean because they have remote tail pipes. Kentucky for instance is cleaner to run a Honda fit vs a model 3.
"natural gas or coal powerplants"...renewables are cheaper now.
@@jaaklucas1329 Unfortunately they are not. There are also no renewables that are reliable 24/7. Coal is far and away the cheapest reliable power source. That's why China, responsible for 90% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions and even higher percentage of toxic gases is breaking ground on something like 10 new coal power plants a month 😮. Without the after treatment that we use here. Nuclear is the only way to increase power production by the 300% required for light duty EVs to replace all the US registered vehicles on the road. However, the materials for today's battery technology simply don't exist in sufficient quantities. Not to mention they are more toxic than acid rain of the last century. Hybrid is the only solution until someone figures out a way to use hydrogen or ammonia effectively.
It's all smoke and mirrors for political gain and profit. None of it is actually feasible at this point in time. Hybrids for battery take off and rapid acceleration is the best possible answer right now. Anyone with an avg economy and instant economy display can see that taking off from a stop eats up most of the fuel. Acceleration and going up hill is second. Electric assist the right way could almost double the mpg of cars.
@@jaaklucas1329 I never said it was the best, just that's factually where most electricity comes from in the US. Kentucky is dirtier to run a model 3 LR than a Honda Fit hybrid in emissions volume. Based on powerplant emissions.
@@curvs4me Totally understand,I know Kentucky is coal country. Coal=jobs= political lack of will to change. My point is the people in Kentucky have options now. Thermal coal bad news for the air.We do still need metallurgical coal for making steel for now.
Solid direction, really look forward to the build, you do a fantastic job covering all of the bases on your adventures, keep it up!!!
Install in to anything? A caprice wagon with a caterpillar sticking out of a funny hole in the hood would be right up my alley.
I used to own a 2013 Ford C-Max Plug-In hybrid, I loved the instant torque of the electric propulsion, and I also know that freight trains have been running diesel-electric powertrains and I have thought that they should do with the automotive industry, bravo for taking this on, looking forward to your progress and advancements!!!
The most efficient use of any power system is a good thing. Getting the most work out of every gallon of diesel is a good thing
Absolutely incredible video👌 you explained everything very well. I look forward to seeing the builds.
Man, I have been missing out. I just discovered this Channel and I wish I would have known about you sooner
I believe those kits will be a game changer in the transportation industry big or small trucks.
I love that you're putting into a 40s dodge. Putting this into an old school truck is what i want to do with this kit.
This would be the dream kit for my Land Cruiser. Awesome video
A Diesel-Hybrid engine that also can use DME and/or CNG would be the DREAM.
If they could get ULEV certified without damn Diesel Exhaust Fluid (aka Adblue) would be even better.
Then also a Block Heater/Oil Heater/Inline Fuel Heater and whatnot for Winterization + Using PPO/Used Cooking Oil, or Transesterification Biodiesel with no worries.
This project has me HYPED.
I want to work on projects like this.
I love electric tech, and 90 percent of my driving could be pure electric. But long road trips and towing makes a range extender/generator such a nice addition.
My dream is to build kits like this for smaller vehicles, land rovers, jeeps, broncos, and stuff. I don't have a big company behind me, and allot of the manufacturers just ignore emails inquiring about purchasing parts for prototypes.
Have you tried Yamaha?
I would love to be a part of this diesel-electric revolution. It's too bad i live so far away from you. If you are ever opening a conversion shop in SW Florida, I'm your man for the job. I don't have huge capital, but I'm a fully dedicated hard-working technician who would love to help spread electric-diesel conversion to the masses. It's pure genius! Keep up the good work 👏
In full agreement here in Tampa! Would love to be on the sales end of these!
Hats off to you and Edison. This is awsome can do attitude .
I just wanted to say awesome job on the Edison diesel electric Simi truck.
Why didn't the CZcams algorithm suggest your channel sooner?
It’s pure logic to go diesel-electric ❤🤟🏼😎
Ok that's very exciting, a great idea, looking forward to seeing this come to life!
I really believe this is a great idea. Lets nit get carried away. locomotives are diesel electric, mostly, to eliminate gigantic complex, multi axle transmissions. Size does matter. All diesel electric set ups are for gigantic ships, dump trucks, and ships. Again I think that this can work for larger, commercial vehicles as they are discussing. I do believe these guys are fantastic to take on this development !!!
Love to see the Cummins 2.8L being used. I remember when those came out.
I've got a '94 22RE Toyota Pickup and was thinking of converting it to electric. Maybe this would be better.
Having the engine act as an APU means that there are a lot of potential accessories that could be built, with a lot less complexity than hydraulic.
I looked at doing an EV swap for my Jeep but once I started pricing it out, I just bought the R2.8. I might make an electric buggy sometime, but the R2.8 is amazing if you drive around and wish you had torque and don’t care about hp. Even bigger gas V8s don’t have much torque until much higher RPMs.
why change that '94 at all...pick a truck that had a pos drive train to convert to electric
@bugoutjeep8065 what kind of mileage are you getting out of that?
@John5ive Amen, amen.
Replacing the transmission with a generator, though, so that the 22RE just runs where it loves to run, that seems like it'd be worth doing.
The ability to pull 78KW to run maybe a snowblower(???) could be a gamechanger.
This is one of the most brilliant ideas. I've listened to old technology for new innovation for old technology for promises of technology that the major auto manufacturing can't keep
I've wanted a video like this for a long time! Thanks!
I'm in line with a kit for my 63 IHC 1 ton. Love the overview. Thank you.
I could easily see retrofits removing the center drive shaft with a 6-10kW battery pack, transmission with the generator component, and then 2 electric motors for the front and rear drive axles. It'll be a lot of work, but it'll be awesome if we can drop-in swap old school heavy duty trucks
Excellent choice my friend reminds me of my first build in 1965 my rusty red wagon front axle broke all the bolts out so I nailed a board to it and nailed the axle to the board it was much longer and more fun. Keep us posted please. My old 97 gen 2 needs a face lift it’s at 247000 now and I’m still trying to get time to fix the KDP. My how times have changed.
As soon as one of these conversion kits is publicly available im buying it, not only because its a good product but because this is the kind of concept i want my money backing.
You guys have put an incredible amount of thought into this. Well done.
It is exciting to see a nimble small scale businesses taking on the electrafication (and hybridzation) of vehicles. I can't wait to see your results!
awesome stuff, looking foward to watching the journey
This idea has been around for a long time, but the industry has been hostile to it. Great to see someone finally made it work!!
You are absolutely correct internal combustion engines are most efficient at a constant RPM. Not speeding up and down. I like the RAM hybrid concept a lot.
Pretty awesome. Excellent plan. The evolution of the garage is on an epic journey.
This is absolutely awesome - can't wait to see the hot rods.
Mr. One take Jake. Excellent delivery of this project. I'm motivated hybridly now.
Yes!! As an Australian who travels huge distances and with big loads with a larger 4x4 and with Australia’s deplorable lack and glacial implementation of EV charging stations (some outback towns that are ‘must see places’ aren’t even on the electricity grid-so use diesel generators for power) then this option to retrofit hybrid kits is a brilliant option for countries like Australia and other third world EV countries like this one😉.
I love the idea and the concept. The only concern will be the weight of that axle with the engine monted directly on it. That one of the reason that engine/wheel combo never been really used on car. The unsprung weight as the be kept at minimum. I would had prefer center engine coupled with both axle to keep them light.
Keep going guy's !
Subscribed. Cannot believe no one has tackled a D-E highway powertrain yet, and am so excited to see you build this. I've been saying for years that's the way to go, and I'm glad someone with the knowledge also has the guts.
I love this! Ive always had the thought of a hybrid drivetrain for a car hauler just like a train! Will be following this and wanting to work with you in the future on a large RV car hauler!
Very excited to follow the progress of this excellent idea! More people need to see this. I'd buy the system for my truck!
Good enough for a 100k ton train in the outback. Glad to see someone breaking the norm and being innovative, future is built on risk and reward.
This is just plain cool. Great job explaining it.
I'm diggin everything you're saying, my only thought while listening to your solution is "man, I'm discarding everything that is worth a damn on my truck". Body, interior, etc is all trash while the axles, transmission, engine etc is in perfect operating condition.
Just found your channel and looking forward to see what you guys build!
I have always wondered why no one thought of doing this yet. Thanks for taking a leap of faith. Hope it works 💪
This is the way forward for the entire automotive industry. Electric DRIVE is fantastic. "All Electric" vehicles are not practical at any scale.
I wondered about this. Nice to see my curiosity satisfied. Thanks, folks.
Man, this kit in my rust free, 2 owner 1999 K2500 Suburban that I use as a tow vehicle for my camper would be EXTREAMLY tempting!
I have a van I wanted to do this on. Super excited to see what you come up with.
Very cool! Going to enjoy watching this happen.
I've wanted to do this in a motorhome for ages.