That’s awesome I’m glad to see you shooting big bore, how do you like the lab radar? You’re definitely one of my favorite channels as well, Watching you have all that fun making videos is what got me started
The lab radar belonged to a fellow at the range but it was awesome! Probably worth saving for! So glad you got started... love listening to your chickens as you concuss the neighborhood with gunfire!
That's a classic round now. There are little kids in villages all over Africa that know what "four-five-eight" means. It got a bad rap in the early days when game department cullers bought pallet loads of ammo and stored it in hot, humid warehouses for years. It's a great round. Load it with lead bullets and Trail Boss powder for very inexpensive and fun plinking. Thanks, Greg!
Glad I'm not the only person who knows the old fashioned bore sighting method. I did my brothers Savage 110 7mm Rem mag years ago for him. It came scoped from the factory w/ a cheap 3x9 that supposedly been bore sighted already. Needless to say, he could hardly hit the paper at 100 yards but I got it fairly close to centered with your method.
Very nice rifle. I’ve had models 70s In 375h&h, 416 rem mag and 458 win mag. All beautiful working rifles. Recently had a very nice Parker hale in 458 wm I sold to a fellow in the northwest territories. I like the Leupold vx3 2.5-8x36 scopes on most of my larger bore rifles. Keep up the great work and informative videos.
You have some great friend's, I've been watching lever guns 50 for a couple of year's and love his channel. Those 50-110's have some horsepower, people used to say to me. WOW you know your lever gun's and then when I started watching him, I realized I didn't know crap. I've learned so much from him and now you! Sincerely Ruger Rich
I have a CZ550 in 458 Win Mag. There's enough recoil for me standing up. I'm really not keen on shooting it from a bench. Props to you. You handled that recoil like a champ.
I have a Leopold 1.75 - 6 on my 673. 350 rem mag and it works great and suits the rifle. It’s considerably heavier than a model 600 or 660 and is easy on the shoulder , even from the bench. I found it interesting that you are going to put that scope on a 350 rem mag. Interesting and well done video, North 61.
It's an interesting scope...I like the rangefinding feature and the reticle design. The power range is right in the sweet spot as well. I love 1-2 power on the low end for brush use and bear defense.
What a beautiful rifle, and you handle it well. Those "ornamental" bolts are more than ornamental - they actually reinforce the stock to prevent splitting from hard recoil. I had a Ruger M77 in 458 WinMag but sold it and replaced it with a Ruger Number One in 458 WinMag. Great fun to shoot. Just because I could, I loaded some Hornady 300 JHP to 3,000 fps. - just for fun. They seemed to have held together even though I'm sure they weren't designed for that MV. Kicked like a mule, but reasonably accurate. I also load a lot of cast bullets, which perform well. I find the 458 a very versatile cartridge - from target shooting, to plinking, and all the way to largest game in NA. And, Africa, for that matter.
Friend of mine uses one for Elk. Tough animal! 3 shots in a 5” group and the bull walked like nothing was wrong! Then he fell over about 40yds from the last shot.
Be cautious when using the 400gr speer flat point. Years ago my mate wounded an Impala and finished it of with one of them out of his .458 win. Range was about 20-30 metres. The bullet completely disintegrated and failed to penetrate on a broadside shot. Not made for win mag velocities.
Love that rifle. Shot 4 swedish elk this year. 4 shots.350 grains speer cor loke..the best rifle for big game.if you hunt with dog in the forest.best regards karl
The 458 is a beast of a caliber! I've been wanting one of those LabRadar units. So much better than a chrono (except on the pocket book). I have a Leupold 2-7x with QD rings on my 350RM. I'm no expert on BC but from what I recall, there is a couple ways to measure BC.
Big boys with big toys will play just too one up each other! Lmao! Have fun with the big toys! I can't afford it. Also have too many damaged vertebrae in my lower back! I love the smaller calibers anyway! God bless you and have fun my friend! Good hunting and stay safe! Enjoyed the video!
Cool stuff. I've got one of the winchester classic in a lefty stainless 338win. Nice rifles. I've been divesting myself of things I don't need like excessive rifles. I got the leverguns and lefty bolt rifles I need and have sold off most everything else. Feels good not having as much "stuff". That Lab radar chrono is a super tool to have.
Glad to to see you moved up to a bigger gun for those those things that run down, kill, and eat the big bears,,, It will help, but still keep your shots collar bone and up ,, And knees... Since I commented last I got a 35 whelen in m77 mark ii Davidson's special edition Zytel stock 22 inch barrel To go with the marlin 444p outfitters,, Love that light fast handling size, And I did get the 338 win mag Stainless, mark ii, zytel also ,,, And a winchester model 70 in 338 win mag, Still on it's way via mail... But I'm still limited to throat, mouth and eyes, Hope I never have to...
I hear you about controlled direction of recoil, but I still felt that ... reminds me the first time I tried a fellow's 404 Jeffery. Off hand, stout. On the bench, ouchies. My largest is the 450 Marlin in a takedown BLR and it has gotten very little exercise as it joined the safe in the last 2 years...
What a fantastic rifle and caliber combination. I'm big fans of both but, oddly enough, do not have that particular combination. Oh, I have Model 70's - one made in 1953 (.30-'06 caliber) and one "pre-64" made in 1995 (.375 H&H caliber). I will say, as collectable as the older ones are, the newer one is, in fact, a better rifle. More precisely made, more accurate, smoother bolt operation, better trigger. Oh, and I do own one .458, in the form of a Ruger #1 Tropical (one of my favorite all time rifles). Maybe one day I'll combine the two and get that Model 70 in .458. As far as bullets, Levergun50 is correct - that 400 grain Speer is very soft. It is meant for "standard" velocity .45-70 loads, suitable for Trapdoors and the like. It will expand reliably at those low velocities (1,100-1,400 fps), but will come apart like a big varmint bullet when pushed to the limit by a .458. Speer intend their 350 grain bullet for that use, it's of far tougher construction.
You might want to try those Barnes originals with the magazine loaded. You will likely find the rounds in the mag get more than a little Pre-expanded. I really like the all copper Barnes or the Woodleigh protected point in a hard kicker. I have always liked your vid's from here in SE Alaska.
I ditched the .458 because I could load the 350 gr's into my 1885 .45-70 and be within 250fps of the 458. Once I got a .416 rem mag - then everything changed. Solid 350yrd gun with 350gr X bullets. With the 400gr X it completely flipped a moose over backwards from a shot in the chest. Stuck his antlers in the dirt upside down - had a hell of a time getting him unstuck!! Recovered the bullet against the hide on the back of the ham.
My only complaint with the Model 70 (and all bolt guns for that matter) is that the drop at the comb is designed for use with a scope, and it really isn't enough to permit good use of the iron sights. With the comb nearly in line with the barrel, one has to cant his head over at a steep angle to line up with the sights, causing him to look downrange at almost a 45 degree angle. I DO wish that they offered stocks designed for use with the sights, say, with a 3 1/2" drop or so. I had a CZ550 in 375 H&H that was designed with so little drop (like the Model 70) that it gave me a headache on a long range session, so I had to sell it. Nearly broke my heart.
@@north61 thanks man. All of us got stick together. I'm hunter from pa. Just started small channel my self on CZcams. Love the model 70s. Got one in 7mm one of 2001 guns. It's in the sho do to it will not extract a empty or loaded case
@@north61 in the shop as we speak . Kind of mad 😠 I want get it back for gun session. So be out small single shot H&r 243 win agin this year. Been hunting lately with crossbows do to archery
That's one beautiful rifle! Looks like a great addition to your collection. I don't hunt the big stuff.. so the 350 Remington Mag is my upper limit. Those 600 & 660 are definitely handy! I'm not sure why the 350 Remington never caught on. It's about perfect for North America. Those of us that gave it a shot.. fell in love with it. I actually love all the 35's
Yep, I have a blr light weight in .358 win, and a savage 110 in 35 whelen, just something about 35"s that trips my trigger, always lusted after those remmy 600 650 in 350 rem mag, good stuff!
@@frankgulla8782 love my 358 Winchester! I actually picked up a Ruger American Predator a few years ago.. Ruger made a special run of 400 of them. For the price of $399 it was a no brainer :) I also had to head down the rabbit hole and get a 350 Legend. Picked up a Savage Axis ii stainless almost two years ago. I got to see first hand how it lays the smack down on big bodied pennsylvania bucks. I harvested a big bodied eight point and my brother's nephew downed a huge 10 point with his. Both complete pass through and both bucks didn't travel far after the shot. Mine went thirty yards and his went twenty. That rifle is perfect for hunting the mountains of PA.. where most shots are within 100 yards. I use the 358 for black bear.. haven't seen one in season yet. I'm sure it will do the job though :) Love the 35 Whelen! It's the ballistic twin of the 350 Remington Mag! You definitely have two fine 35's
@@blackie1of4 thanks Mark! I was looking hard at a 350 legend but ammo is real scarce now. I hand load a Barnes 180gr ttsx for the 358 and it really smacks down deer and I know it would hammer bear, good hunting!
@@frankgulla8782 there isn't anything in North America that it wouldn't lay the the smack down on. The 358 Winchester is a great cartridge. Zero to 150 it'd knock any bear down! I think a lot of hunters don't buy into anything past 30 caliber.. my opinion is their missing out on the fun 35's. Good luck this season Frank
Thanks for doing a bison oriented video. All I have for centre fire cartridges right now is 308 win and 303 British. As far as larger cartridges go I have really only looked at online ballistics charts and I don't know anyone who has taken I bison themselves. I was considering either a model 70 in 375 H and H considering it's popularity as an African big game cartridge or a Remington 700 sender in 300 RUM because of the success my uncle has enjoyed with it (taking bull elk at 600 plus yards comfortably). At the end of the day, a good cartridge won't make up for a lack of proficiency, but these things are expensive and I can only buy so many guns. So ideally I want to get it right the first time.
Thanks... I am a bit eclectic with a fairly wide set of themes which I think throws people off at times but I need to be enthusiastic when I make a video and my ADHD has me shifting enthusiasms at times. I will have a series on 458 and also on sheep gear coming up as well as more work on the 405 Win.,
@@north61 as someone who also has ADHD I can appreciate that. I have a pretty wide variety of unrelated interests and that is fun for me, but it's hard to keep focus. Now that I have kids I'm trying to take that into consideration so I do the best job possible for them.
@@north61 as for bison, I always hear from people who have gone on hunts, but it's always somebody else who did the shooting (most of them are shooting 30-30 Win and 303 British and other cartridges under the threshold). I constantly hear about it taking multiple shots to put one down. My big question is how much of that is lack of mass/energy and how much is shot placement?
@@RB01138 I have shot a pile of moose but still haven't taken a Bison...shot placement is critical but I would say Bison are really muscular and large boned...and are one animal where the maximum horse power that a person can handle is warranted. I know of a native hunter in the NWT who was stomped to pieces after shooting a Bison with a 30-30. I agree with the 30-06-180 grain minimum in the Yukon and I believe a bit more is even better. Personally I think the mid-bores with more bullet weight are better than faster 30's.
I would think the 458 Winchester would make a great back-up gun sans scope. I would think it's a little clumsy as a hunting rifle in North America. Then I don't know much.
I know an old Alaskan native seal hunter that clams 800yard consistent hits with his .458wm I guess with time a practice. I luv the Hornady 350gn round nose with medium to hot loads with H335 powder. For and moose smashing load try 350 round nose with 69gns imr 4198 but be warned the scope will bite. The older reloading books have hotter loads. LOL!! I am just looking at a Hornady third edition 1982 book vs newer 2016 tenth edition for the 350 rn they list max @62.7 gains @2400fps with IMR4198 in 1982 they list IMR4198 maxload @70.8 @2500fps just wow i grew up shooting 70gn imr4198. WHO DO I TRUST? PS NICE GUNS
People exaggerate sometimes. You do want to have some experience but It is pretty manageable as long as you keep the round count at a reasonable level. Upper end of fun though. The stock really manages the recoil well.
Happy to say yes but if you are in the USA cross border shipping to Canada is potentially in violation of your governments rules re shipping firearm related material out of country.
Great video and content, your very knowledgeable about firearms ballistics. But whats the dig about worrying that American made firearms don't always feed correctly?? I've been shooting American made rifles all my life without issue.
Just my experience; most recently confirmed with a Nosler 21 in 6.5 PRC that pops rounds into the air, rather than feeding them into the chamber. Don't know why but I report what I see.
@@north61 I'll give you a pass on that then, you'd think an over $2000 rifle wouldn't have those kind of issues. I'll stick with my vintage Remington's & Winchester's. I thought you were saying that Canadian rifles were better, but I can't think of a single Canadian manufactured rifle??
@@normreno6994 Antler Arms in Quebec... made the Fury for Fierce when Fierce started...very well made copy of a Sako, and PWG from Winnipeg... very high quality but expensive firearms made for military sniping mostly. Also a bunch of small makers. I have some Awesome American made firearms but some of the newer models seem like proto-types sent out the door without proper testing. They usually don't last long but I have had Kimber Mountain Ascents, Nosler model 22 in 6.5PRC, Forbes model 20 and Weatherby back-country Ti's that don't feed like they should. All very expensive and hard to stomach. They eventually make it right but the ride back across the border is a hassle and shouldn't have to happen. Don't know why? My best feeding rifles are also American.... ?
''gold ring only'' M8 fixed for power 40 years never lost zero the3to 9 dont hold up as well on big bores i have broke 2 gold ring scopes 3x9s on a .416rm it kicks like a moose
@@north61 I think the 350 grain .375 bullets at 2500+ fps would out pace anything the norma could muster with cheaper brass, dies and more easily bought store ammo if needed.I actually thought about a .458 Lott for awhile until I read most of Capstick's books. The magnificent .375 H&H was a no brainer after that.
Understandable but you would be hunting Bison illegally as there is a minimum caliber and the great 7-08 doesn't make it. 30 caliber, 180 grains and 2800 ft pounds here, so the 30-06 would make it. If you see a grizzly 15 yards away in the alders you might also wish for a bit more. I'd personally be ok with a 7-08 but I do find more horse power a lot of fun. Sometimes a dumb guy is born who thinks managing recoil is a type of fun. That's me.
That’s awesome I’m glad to see you shooting big bore, how do you like the lab radar? You’re definitely one of my favorite channels as well, Watching you have all that fun making videos is what got me started
The lab radar belonged to a fellow at the range but it was awesome! Probably worth saving for! So glad you got started... love listening to your chickens as you concuss the neighborhood with gunfire!
That's a classic round now. There are little kids in villages all over Africa that know what "four-five-eight" means. It got a bad rap in the early days when game department cullers bought pallet loads of ammo and stored it in hot, humid warehouses for years. It's a great round. Load it with lead bullets and Trail Boss powder for very inexpensive and fun plinking. Thanks, Greg!
Sorry Anchorage and told about the animals, started reading, buying guns and planning a trip. I love it there. Keep posting great videos
Glad I'm not the only person who knows the old fashioned bore sighting method. I did my brothers Savage 110 7mm Rem mag years ago for him. It came scoped from the factory w/ a cheap 3x9 that supposedly been bore sighted already. Needless to say, he could hardly hit the paper at 100 yards but I got it fairly close to centered with your method.
I got a savage 110 like that years ago a k-mart. It had an atrocious scope on it as well. Bore sighted?🤪 I put a better scope on it. 7 mag rocks!
Very nice rifle. I’ve had models 70s In 375h&h, 416 rem mag and 458 win mag. All beautiful working rifles. Recently had a very nice Parker hale in 458 wm I sold to a fellow in the northwest territories.
I like the Leupold vx3 2.5-8x36 scopes on most of my larger bore rifles.
Keep up the great work and informative videos.
I bought a .458 win mag and it's a boat load of fun especially to reload. I didn't really need it for any purpose other than I had to have it.
You have some great friend's, I've been watching lever guns 50 for a couple of year's and love his channel. Those 50-110's have some horsepower, people used to say to me. WOW you know your lever gun's and then when I started watching him, I realized I didn't know crap. I've learned so much from him and now you! Sincerely Ruger Rich
Glad to be in the club!
I have a CZ550 in 458 Win Mag. There's enough recoil for me standing up. I'm really not keen on shooting it from a bench. Props to you. You handled that recoil like a champ.
Wth 500 grainers it's a bit of a work out!
I have a Leopold 1.75 - 6 on my 673. 350 rem mag and it works great and suits the rifle. It’s considerably heavier than a model 600 or 660 and is easy on the shoulder , even from the bench. I found it interesting that you are going to put that scope on a 350 rem mag.
Interesting and well done video, North 61.
It's an interesting scope...I like the rangefinding feature and the reticle design. The power range is right in the sweet spot as well. I love 1-2 power on the low end for brush use and bear defense.
What a beautiful rifle, and you handle it well. Those "ornamental" bolts are more than ornamental - they actually reinforce the stock to prevent splitting from hard recoil. I had a Ruger M77 in 458 WinMag but sold it and replaced it with a Ruger Number One in 458 WinMag. Great fun to shoot. Just because I could, I loaded some Hornady 300 JHP to 3,000 fps. - just for fun. They seemed to have held together even though I'm sure they weren't designed for that MV. Kicked like a mule, but reasonably accurate. I also load a lot of cast bullets, which perform well. I find the 458 a very versatile cartridge - from target shooting, to plinking, and all the way to largest game in NA. And, Africa, for that matter.
I had to subscribe. If leverguns 50 recommend it I know it'll be good
Friend of mine uses one for Elk. Tough animal! 3 shots in a 5” group and the bull walked like nothing was wrong! Then he fell over about 40yds from the last shot.
Beautiful rifle!
Be cautious when using the 400gr speer flat point. Years ago my mate wounded an Impala and finished it of with one of them out of his .458 win. Range was about 20-30 metres. The bullet completely disintegrated and failed to penetrate on a broadside shot. Not made for win mag velocities.
Good to know. I have pretty much settled on the 350 TSX at 2500fps. With H322 it shoots really well.
Good shooting, particularly at that recoil level. 👍👍👍
Keep it up high so the recoil can come into your whole shoulder and it is not too bad.
Love that rifle. Shot 4 swedish elk this year. 4 shots.350 grains speer cor loke..the best rifle for big game.if you hunt with dog in the forest.best regards karl
Is a Swedish Elk what we call aMoose?
the same.but smaller.200-300 kg.
this a cool video! I have wonder why not more people consider this option.
The 458 is a beast of a caliber! I've been wanting one of those LabRadar units. So much better than a chrono (except on the pocket book). I have a Leupold 2-7x with QD rings on my 350RM. I'm no expert on BC but from what I recall, there is a couple ways to measure BC.
Nice New Rifle 😊😊😀
Big boys with big toys will play just too one up each other! Lmao! Have fun with the big toys! I can't afford it. Also have too many damaged vertebrae in my lower back! I love the smaller calibers anyway! God bless you and have fun my friend! Good hunting and stay safe! Enjoyed the video!
It does have a bit of torque! I figured I should play with it while I still can. The 400 grainers are a bit easier.
Great video. Just passed up a 458. Kinda regretting it.
It is a bit of a hoot.
Very cool
Cool stuff. I've got one of the winchester classic in a lefty stainless 338win. Nice rifles.
I've been divesting myself of things I don't need like excessive rifles. I got the leverguns and lefty bolt rifles I need and have sold off most everything else. Feels good not having as much "stuff".
That Lab radar chrono is a super tool to have.
I am about to follow your example and do a bit of a cull.
Don't you know that he who dies with the most toys...wins! 😁
@@luvtahandload7692 Yup..but I think quality over quantity might be a good thing. I can't leave my poor survivors with too much to sell!
Glad to to see you moved up to a bigger gun for those those things that run down, kill, and eat the big bears,,,
It will help, but still keep your shots collar bone and up ,,
And knees...
Since I commented last I got a 35 whelen in m77 mark ii
Davidson's special edition
Zytel stock 22 inch barrel
To go with the marlin 444p outfitters,,
Love that light fast handling size,
And I did get the 338 win mag
Stainless, mark ii, zytel also ,,,
And a winchester model 70 in 338 win mag,
Still on it's way via mail...
But I'm still limited to throat, mouth and eyes,
Hope I never have to...
I hear you about controlled direction of recoil, but I still felt that ... reminds me the first time I tried a fellow's 404 Jeffery. Off hand, stout. On the bench, ouchies. My largest is the 450 Marlin in a takedown BLR and it has gotten very little exercise as it joined the safe in the last 2 years...
If you set the rifle high up on the bench so that you are sitting straight up and taking the recoil on the entire shoulder it helps a lot!
LG50 sent me!
Welcome aboard!
What a fantastic rifle and caliber combination. I'm big fans of both but, oddly enough, do not have that particular combination. Oh, I have Model 70's - one made in 1953 (.30-'06 caliber) and one "pre-64" made in 1995 (.375 H&H caliber). I will say, as collectable as the older ones are, the newer one is, in fact, a better rifle. More precisely made, more accurate, smoother bolt operation, better trigger. Oh, and I do own one .458, in the form of a Ruger #1 Tropical (one of my favorite all time rifles). Maybe one day I'll combine the two and get that Model 70 in .458.
As far as bullets, Levergun50 is correct - that 400 grain Speer is very soft. It is meant for "standard" velocity .45-70 loads, suitable for Trapdoors and the like. It will expand reliably at those low velocities (1,100-1,400 fps), but will come apart like a big varmint bullet when pushed to the limit by a .458. Speer intend their 350 grain bullet for that use, it's of far tougher construction.
The new 70 safari Express is really a fine rifle. Maybe my best, though the Win 71 is in their pitching.
you and usog have a very nice rifle collection
That's pretty good company!
I just went to 416 rem mag….but I plan on trying 458. I think I like the 416 for the time being
Truth be told the 416 would be a more versatile choice but I like the rifle.
You might want to try those Barnes originals with the magazine loaded. You will likely find the rounds in the mag get more than a little Pre-expanded. I really like the all copper Barnes or the Woodleigh protected point in a hard kicker. I have always liked your vid's from here in SE Alaska.
It's so darn hard to find components these days. Sometimes I need to make do.
I ditched the .458 because I could load the 350 gr's into my 1885 .45-70 and be within 250fps of the 458. Once I got a .416 rem mag - then everything changed. Solid 350yrd gun with 350gr X bullets. With the 400gr X it completely flipped a moose over backwards from a shot in the chest. Stuck his antlers in the dirt upside down - had a hell of a time getting him unstuck!! Recovered the bullet against the hide on the back of the ham.
Can't argue with that kind of success!
Just a thought but I'm pretty sure you can get an angled scope base for that rifle. That way you could keep that sweet little leupold that you like.
Nice rifle I use the speer 400 in my 45/70 and the 350 grainers cant get it low enough to use in the marlin. Both are 458 dia.
That's funny, I've been playing with the same rifle the past week except mine is in 375 H&H magnum.
Does yours shoot like a house a fire too?
My only complaint with the Model 70 (and all bolt guns for that matter) is that the drop at the comb is designed for use with a scope, and it really isn't enough to permit good use of the iron sights. With the comb nearly in line with the barrel, one has to cant his head over at a steep angle to line up with the sights, causing him to look downrange at almost a 45 degree angle. I DO wish that they offered stocks designed for use with the sights, say, with a 3 1/2" drop or so. I had a CZ550 in 375 H&H that was designed with so little drop (like the Model 70) that it gave me a headache on a long range session, so I had to sell it. Nearly broke my heart.
#levergun50 sent me man great rifle with lot of power for big north America and Africa game. Old 350 are awesome. 35cal good brush caliber.
Welcome aboard!
@@north61 thanks man. All of us got stick together. I'm hunter from pa. Just started small channel my self on CZcams. Love the model 70s. Got one in 7mm one of 2001 guns. It's in the sho do to it will not extract a empty or loaded case
@@jamespugh That's a pain!
@@north61 in the shop as we speak . Kind of mad 😠 I want get it back for gun session. So be out small single shot H&r 243 win agin this year. Been hunting lately with crossbows do to archery
That's one beautiful rifle! Looks like a great addition to your collection. I don't hunt the big stuff.. so the 350 Remington Mag is my upper limit. Those 600 & 660 are definitely handy! I'm not sure why the 350 Remington never caught on. It's about perfect for North America.
Those of us that gave it a shot.. fell in love with it.
I actually love all the 35's
Absolutely agree..I have also never owned a 600 or 660 which wouldn't shoot nice small groups!
Yep, I have a blr light weight in .358 win, and a savage 110 in 35 whelen, just something about 35"s that trips my trigger, always lusted after those remmy 600 650 in 350 rem mag, good stuff!
@@frankgulla8782 love my 358 Winchester!
I actually picked up a Ruger American Predator a few years ago.. Ruger made a special run of 400 of them. For the price of $399 it was a no brainer :)
I also had to head down the rabbit hole and get a 350 Legend. Picked up a Savage Axis ii stainless almost two years ago. I got to see first hand how it lays the smack down on big bodied pennsylvania bucks.
I harvested a big bodied eight point and my brother's nephew downed a huge 10 point with his. Both complete pass through and both bucks didn't travel far after the shot.
Mine went thirty yards and his went twenty.
That rifle is perfect for hunting the mountains of PA.. where most shots are within 100 yards. I use the 358 for black bear.. haven't seen one in season yet. I'm sure it will do the job though :)
Love the 35 Whelen! It's the ballistic twin of the 350 Remington Mag!
You definitely have two fine 35's
@@blackie1of4 thanks Mark! I was looking hard at a 350 legend but ammo is real scarce now. I hand load a Barnes 180gr ttsx for the 358 and it really smacks down deer and I know it would hammer bear, good hunting!
@@frankgulla8782 there isn't anything in North America that it wouldn't lay the the smack down on.
The 358 Winchester is a great cartridge. Zero to 150 it'd knock any bear down!
I think a lot of hunters don't buy into anything past 30 caliber.. my opinion is their missing out on the fun 35's.
Good luck this season Frank
Thanks for doing a bison oriented video. All I have for centre fire cartridges right now is 308 win and 303 British. As far as larger cartridges go I have really only looked at online ballistics charts and I don't know anyone who has taken I bison themselves. I was considering either a model 70 in 375 H and H considering it's popularity as an African big game cartridge or a Remington 700 sender in 300 RUM because of the success my uncle has enjoyed with it (taking bull elk at 600 plus yards comfortably). At the end of the day, a good cartridge won't make up for a lack of proficiency, but these things are expensive and I can only buy so many guns. So ideally I want to get it right the first time.
The medium bores have noticeably more thump on heavy stuff than even a very fast 30, but the RUM would be a lot of fun.
Thanks... I am a bit eclectic with a fairly wide set of themes which I think throws people off at times but I need to be enthusiastic when I make a video and my ADHD has me shifting enthusiasms at times. I will have a series on 458 and also on sheep gear coming up as well as more work on the 405 Win.,
@@north61 as someone who also has ADHD I can appreciate that. I have a pretty wide variety of unrelated interests and that is fun for me, but it's hard to keep focus. Now that I have kids I'm trying to take that into consideration so I do the best job possible for them.
@@north61 as for bison, I always hear from people who have gone on hunts, but it's always somebody else who did the shooting (most of them are shooting 30-30 Win and 303 British and other cartridges under the threshold). I constantly hear about it taking multiple shots to put one down. My big question is how much of that is lack of mass/energy and how much is shot placement?
@@RB01138 I have shot a pile of moose but still haven't taken a Bison...shot placement is critical but I would say Bison are really muscular and large boned...and are one animal where the maximum horse power that a person can handle is warranted. I know of a native hunter in the NWT who was stomped to pieces after shooting a Bison with a 30-30. I agree with the 30-06-180 grain minimum in the Yukon and I believe a bit more is even better. Personally I think the mid-bores with more bullet weight are better than faster 30's.
Now we see what the strength training was for ;)
It actually does help!
Mod 70 is my favorite rifle ive had lots of them lol still have a couple , what make were the detachable rings
Leupold
How long is the barrel on your 350 rem mag? Looks Nice and handy
That's a Rem 660 with a 20 inch barrel. The original 600 variant has an 18.5. Both super handy and accuate as heck.
Well done. Thank you.
Always more speed. Could you kindly explain. Why?
long range bullet expansion and trajectory mostly.
I have the lot awesome gun
One word, stout!
If scientists ever use DNA technology to bring the Tyrannosaurus Rex back to life, the .458 will be up to the task!
Damn..that would be fun!
They used Marlin .45-70s in Jurassic Park! 😲🤭🙋♂️
I would think the 458 Winchester would make a great back-up gun sans scope. I would think it's a little clumsy as a hunting rifle in North America. Then I don't know much.
That makes two of us. I have a 2.5X scope on the 458 with a very heavy cross-hair. seems to fit the gun well.
Before getting a different scope try a 10moa or 20moa base plate, that will raise your scope up giving you extra elevation.
Too late it now wears a fixed 4X that has loads of adjustment. That 350 has the 1.75-6X. It's all good.
@@north61 ok, that's cool. Keep base plates in mind, long range shooters use them for extra elevation.
I know an old Alaskan native seal hunter that clams 800yard consistent hits with his .458wm I guess with time a practice. I luv the Hornady 350gn round nose with medium to hot loads with H335 powder. For and moose smashing load try 350 round nose with 69gns imr 4198 but be warned the scope will bite. The older reloading books have hotter loads. LOL!! I am just looking at a Hornady third edition 1982 book vs newer 2016 tenth edition for the 350 rn they list max @62.7 gains @2400fps with IMR4198 in 1982 they list IMR4198 maxload @70.8 @2500fps just wow i grew up shooting 70gn imr4198. WHO DO I TRUST? PS NICE GUNS
You may be able to change your ring height and get it.
Which is powerful more the 458 socom or the win 458 , my money is on the 458 win cheers
Thanks for putting your toe in the thumbnail for a visual reference
That's my thumb!
@@north61 😆
The recoil seems not bad at all.
People exaggerate sometimes. You do want to have some experience but It is pretty manageable as long as you keep the round count at a reasonable level. Upper end of fun though. The stock really manages the recoil well.
Again, you need to try the Barnes Buster .458 400 bullet. If you want some, I'll send you some, free of charge!
Happy to say yes but if you are in the USA cross border shipping to Canada is potentially in violation of your governments rules re shipping firearm related material out of country.
@@north61 Northern, Ontario, Canada! Let me know! Cheers, love the channel!
@@RobFlesher email is greg_janestorey@northwestel.net Give me a shout.
Great video and content, your very knowledgeable about firearms ballistics. But whats the dig about worrying that American made firearms don't always feed correctly?? I've been shooting American made rifles all my life without issue.
Just my experience; most recently confirmed with a Nosler 21 in 6.5 PRC that pops rounds into the air, rather than feeding them into the chamber. Don't know why but I report what I see.
@@north61 I'll give you a pass on that then, you'd think an over $2000 rifle wouldn't have those kind of issues. I'll stick with my vintage Remington's & Winchester's. I thought you were saying that Canadian rifles were better, but I can't think of a single Canadian manufactured rifle??
@@normreno6994 Antler Arms in Quebec... made the Fury for Fierce when Fierce started...very well made copy of a Sako, and PWG from Winnipeg... very high quality but expensive firearms made for military sniping mostly. Also a bunch of small makers. I have some Awesome American made firearms but some of the newer models seem like proto-types sent out the door without proper testing. They usually don't last long but I have had Kimber Mountain Ascents, Nosler model 22 in 6.5PRC, Forbes model 20 and Weatherby back-country Ti's that don't feed like they should. All very expensive and hard to stomach. They eventually make it right but the ride back across the border is a hassle and shouldn't have to happen. Don't know why? My best feeding rifles are also American.... ?
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Wounded Buffalo? You? Not a chance. DRT.
Any one can screw up but practice does help.
''gold ring only'' M8 fixed for power 40 years never lost zero the3to 9 dont hold up as well on big bores i have broke 2 gold ring scopes 3x9s on a .416rm it kicks like a moose
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That bullet 8s traveling at mach 2.2 speed
You'd be better off with a .375 H&H in every aspect.
I have a 358 Norma..basically a 375 Ballistic Twin. No point covering the same ground.
@@north61 I think the 350 grain .375 bullets at 2500+ fps would out pace anything the norma could muster with cheaper brass, dies and more easily bought store ammo if needed.I actually thought about a .458 Lott for awhile until I read most of Capstick's books. The magnificent .375 H&H was a no brainer after that.
Ok but recoil sucks, Id rather have a 7mm08 with 175 gr for anything in North America
Understandable but you would be hunting Bison illegally as there is a minimum caliber and the great 7-08 doesn't make it. 30 caliber, 180 grains and 2800 ft pounds here, so the 30-06 would make it. If you see a grizzly 15 yards away in the alders you might also wish for a bit more. I'd personally be ok with a 7-08 but I do find more horse power a lot of fun. Sometimes a dumb guy is born who thinks managing recoil is a type of fun. That's me.
@@north61 I guess that makes two of us
@@Leverguns50 Brothers from another mother!
@@north61 a 7mm08 at 175 gr will out perform a 30-06 180gr look at the sectional density and BC, and compare retained energy at 400 yards.
@@ryanehlis426 NOPe.... There is no replacement for displacement. Bison or Big Bear hunting is not a long range sport for marginal calibers.
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